: [FOLLOWUP] Skarner Juggernaut Update
I doubt this will get seen, but I just wanted to drop my two cents in here. I was a Challenger Skarner main in Season 5. I have one big disagreement with your stated points, at least as far as solo queue/dynamic queue go. "Additionally, given the powerful crowd control tools in his kit, Skarner will almost certainly be better off building really tanky and optimizing to maximize his CC." From a competitive perspective, yes. Champions like Skarner that are weak to coordinated kiting will never get away with building damage. But if we're discussing solo/dynamic queue, damage Skarner was always and will always be a viable way of building him. Because his crowd control is hard CC lockdown, in a duel his opponent can't fight back during the duration of his CC, meaning during that time Skarner gets a whole lot out of doing more damage and a whole lot of nothing out of being tankier. Damage Skarner does have to operate much more carefully and opportunistically in teamfights, but it also brings his potential dueling, snowball ability, damage, and map presence to a whole nother level. When I was playing him in Challenger, prior to the Spire rework, I was building him *very* heavily on damage. Triforce, Zephyr, and often items like BORK and Wit's End as well. This damage-heavy type of build *still works*, and is in my mind usually the absolute best way of building Skarner in a solo/dynamic queue setting. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=captainflowers 56 wins and 20 losses in Diamond 2. A 74% win-rate. Warrior-Triforce. This isn't the mark of a champion that's funneled into going tanky. He is perfectly capable of going damage-heavy and excelling, so long as you know how to play accordingly. In my eyes, Skarner is a situational counter-pick, never to be chosen against hard kiting comps full of champions like Caitlyn, Janna, Lulu, Alistar, etc. But into any other kind of composition, he is a very viable pick, and can not only get away with building damage, but is arguably better off building damage.
: Is Ekko OP?
: @Champ Design Team: Why do some passives scale at levels 1/7/13?
I would guess for balance. At levels 6,11,16 you get your ult and an ult up. So if you get your passive at the same time the damage/utility would be overwhelming. You get the passive scaling 1 level later to make levels 6,11,16 less oppressive. For example you might be level 6 and have ult plus passive scaling vs a level 5 then he is really behind, but if your level 7 and your opponents 5 your just winning lane hard. This makes 1 level when enemy is almost the same level less oppressive.
: As a main assassin player.. i am not getting how Ekko is a assassin
My thoughts on ekko is he is balanced at higher levels of play. I might get downvoted to hell but hear me out. Ekko's ult is INSANE damage but as you stated its hard to land. The lower elo you are the worse your opponents are. This means that Ekko's ult gets easier to land the lower elo you go. This said at high levels of play you need alot of prediction and mechanics since your w and ult you have to literally think 4 secounds ahead to make plays. This makes ekko hard to play and predictable vs good opponents. In lower elos there is none of that usually people just get hit by the ult. Lower teirs tend to tunnel pretty hard and ekko is a great counter engage champion this is why the majority of people think ekko is op, since the majority of people are lower elo and get hit by most ekko ults. That said to burst as ekko you just have to outplay your opponent or land your ult. Ekko also is better at counter engage so if you get engaged on by a zed/lb you can return damage and ult for damage/zhonyas/heal and your w is a sheild/stun
Chong Wo (NA)
: For those of you who likes Sona and those of you that don't
I think sona is a debatable pick because she is so easy to kill. Sona may have burst and ms and heal but a jack of all trades is a master of none. Building ap just makes this more so. Sona is really easy to kill with all in champs that carry ignite. Sona cannot burst a nautilus or alistar support like a good burst support can. Finally as you stated sona cannot outheal a soraka. Im not the best player in anyway, but I feel imo sona lacks alot of things to win lane esp. at a higher level of play. I feel if you build ap sona the damage might be good but lets be real, alot of sona's build like that and usually they are 0-10 with a sheen. Sona's kit itself is already shaky by building ap you just increase this. Finally Ap sona might work out well in lower teirs but 1 main problem about sona is she doesn't have good range which means tank junglers don't take poke damage until they are close enough to engage with a flash/glory/talisman etc. Last words. I also play what I want thats fun from AD karma top to jungle skarner, but the stigma of playing champs remains. Alot of sona players who support build ap and you are also one of them. So to be fair the judgement in champ select is expected since you are also apart of the "ap sonas" just like how toxic riven or a overconfident vayne. Anyone can be toxic playing anything that said building ap damage on a support is at best questionable. This makes Sona weak against every support. Sona may have no "hard counters" and scrape buy no matter who you face, but sona also doesn't hard counter a certain support. Final thoughts would be it might be fun for you and anythings fine if you win, but the negative stigma will always remain and if you lose the game blame would fall with you first because you went ap sona. Meta is popular because it works, if you change the meta you gotta take the responsibility with it. Its like if I played adc leblanc if we win great but if we lose its on me.
: Alright, thank you!! Quick question though: Due to the extreme popularity of Jinx, would champions such as: Kha Zix, Evelynn, Rengar (In Jungle of course) be viable again? I honestly REALLY want to try using Kha Zix again in the jungle, but I stopped due to the whole risk involved with him; that is, if you fall behind, you aren't going to catch up to the point of being helpful again.
> [{quoted}](name=FIuffCow,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=002000000000,timestamp=2015-05-11T23:29:45.606+0000) > > Alright, thank you!! Quick question though: Due to the extreme popularity of Jinx, would champions such as: Kha Zix, Evelynn, Rengar (In Jungle of course) be viable again? I honestly REALLY want to try using Kha Zix again in the jungle, but I stopped due to the whole risk involved with him; that is, if you fall behind, you aren't going to catch up to the point of being helpful again. Kha'Zix, Evelynn, and Rengar are all viable solo queue junglers right now. All three have been decently popular for some time in high ELO.
: I do tend to spectate Liquid Inori and Kitzuo whenever they're playing. I was just curious to hear your opinion on where he is right now, since I've been having issues. I'll try to stick to my setup more, and see if I just tilted myself. He's been my go-to pick since I was in silver. He can still do the combo, if you headbutt them into a wall. Thanks, deadturtle!
> [{quoted}](name=Fluffysaurus Rex,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=003e00000000,timestamp=2015-05-11T23:20:19.298+0000) > > I do tend to spectate Liquid Inori and Kitzuo whenever they're playing. I was just curious to hear your opinion on where he is right now, since I've been having issues. I'll try to stick to my setup more, and see if I just tilted myself. > > He's been my go-to pick since I was in silver. He can still do the combo, if you headbutt them into a wall. > > Thanks, deadturtle! Akaadian and dekar are really good high ELO rengar mains. http://www.twitch.tv/dekar173 http://www.twitch.tv/akaadian Scroll through their VODs and see if anything looks interesting. Not going to tell you not to play Alistar, but he's definitely a bit questionable in a solo lane. Fantastic as a support though, in my opinion.
: > [{quoted}](name=deadturtle,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=001a000000000000,timestamp=2015-05-11T21:16:20.404+0000) > > First off, if you're taking a tank/utility jungler then it's quite valid that your ADC and APC will hold greater relevance as damage-dealers in lategame teamfights. But you know, with this kind of thinking, you could call out similar flaws in any role. "It's hard for ADC to have any impact earlygame, and once it's lategame I have a hard time because I'm getting no peel. Maybe I should switch to a jungle tank so I can impact the game more early, and so we can have at least one player peeling lategame." That's a perfectly reasonable statement on the other side of things that I could totally see you saying if you were an ADC main. > > You choose what role suits you best - that's not something I'm going to try to decide for you. But I will say this - every role has its pros and cons, and at some point you're going to have to settle into a role and accept it for what it is. > > Other thing is, you're not technically limited to taking a support jungle role. Heavy damage/assassin junglers like Kha'Zix and Rengar are available as options to you as well. Well in that case, should I just learn to play Kha'Zix and Rengar and only play tanks if the team doesn't have any? It's not that I mind playing tanks, it's more that when I jungle, I seem to spend most of my time in mid-late game because at least one jungler has ganked successfully, so it seems like the carries generally are at their strong points more often.
> [{quoted}](name=khmarican,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=001a0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-05-11T23:12:30.662+0000) > > Well in that case, should I just learn to play Kha'Zix and Rengar and only play tanks if the team doesn't have any? It's not that I mind playing tanks, it's more that when I jungle, I seem to spend most of my time in mid-late game because at least one jungler has ganked successfully, so it seems like the carries generally are at their strong points more often. Like I said, it's up to you. Play the roles and champions you enjoy and are comfortable on. I can't decide that for you. "when I jungle, I seem to spend most of my time in mid-late game because at least one jungler has ganked successfully, so it seems like the carries generally are at their strong points more often." I gotta be honest, I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Could you rephrase it?
: I actually remember that post about Banner of Command. I tried it out on a few of my comfort picks in the mid lane against full magic damage mid laners, and the results were great! Two things that I hope you can answer: 1. Where do you think Rengar fits into the meta? Since the release of Cinderhulk, I have had a rather hard time adjusting to play against the tank meta. Before the release, I had a set build that did not vary much between games. I climbed to Gold I with about a 65% winrate on Rengar. Since the release, I've not had a set build and my play is more unreliable. I've since dropping to an even 50%. 2. When and how would you play Alistar in a solo lane?
> [{quoted}](name=Fluffysaurus Rex,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=003e,timestamp=2015-05-11T22:57:13.544+0000) > > I actually remember that post about Banner of Command. I tried it out on a few of my comfort picks in the mid lane against full magic damage mid laners, and the results were great! > > Two things that I hope you can answer: > > 1. Where do you think Rengar fits into the meta? Since the release of Cinderhulk, I have had a rather hard time adjusting to play against the tank meta. Before the release, I had a set build that did not vary much between games. I climbed to Gold I with about a 65% winrate on Rengar. Since the release, I've not had a set build and my play is more unreliable. I've since dropping to an even 50%. > > 2. When and how would you play Alistar in a solo lane? Rengar is just fine in solo queue. There are tons of high ELO rengar players to spectate. Many of them stream as well. Go check 'em out. I would only play Alistar in a solo lane while smurfing or in a normal game. The removal of the headbutt>auto combo really hurt his solo laning ability. If you like it, though, then by all means go for it.
Konidias (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=deadturtle,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0038000000000000,timestamp=2015-05-11T22:35:35.865+0000) > > I disagree. The best way to climb is usually to main a couple champions you're comfortable on and play the hell out of them. > I did roughly the same thing you did on Quinn, except I did it on Hecarim and Cho'Gath. You don't have to dodge or anything of the sort. You could reach Challenger doing exactly what you're doing now, provided you play well enough. But that's just it - you have to play well enough. The only way you can play well enough is by improving on an individual level, and being fixated on how your team is "holding you back" most definitely is not conducive to efficient learning. > > Basically, stick with what you're doing if it's what you enjoy. But stop fooling yourself into thinking your teams are holding you back. Focus on improving your own play. What do I need to improve? I usually end up with most CS out of everyone (or top 3 in CS)... so I'm definitely farming properly. I usually win lane... so I'm laning properly. I try my best to roam and help other lanes but I cannot prevent my teammates from dying every time. I have started taking teleport every game because it lets me rush in to save a bad situation and I honestly feel like I don't even need ignite or heal anymore because I can win most fights without them. So what am I doing wrong? Didn't you just say Quinn suffers in team fights and has little to no CC? I can't really do much late game when my team wants to group for team fights. (which at my ELO, that's all they know how to do) I know I would be most effective if I split push when I'm strong... but my team is too dense to understand this. Honestly I don't know what else I can do at this point. I try to organize my team for objectives, but they do what they want. Should I be warding more often? It's probably the weakest aspect of my game, but I honestly can't see the benefit when my team doesn't even look at their minimap. I find that my team panics when they see me split pushing... I get constant warning pings from them if I venture out "too far" even though as Quinn I know I'm safe... and I know where the enemies are so I know when to back out. If my team is so busy watching me they aren't doing anything else... and that frustrates me a lot. I try to build the right items for the right situations... I rush to take any unguarded objective. I've gotten so aggressive that I will literally push all the lanes by myself with ult and teleport and yet my team is just running around and somehow I'm supposed to be EVEN BETTER than I currently am? I know for you it's easy to say, but to me I just can't see where I'm faulting SO badly that I can't climb out of this ELO where I'm obviously outperforming over half of the players in the match all the time.
> [{quoted}](name=Konidias,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=00380000000000000000,timestamp=2015-05-11T22:48:52.078+0000) > > What do I need to improve? I usually end up with most CS out of everyone (or top 3 in CS)... so I'm definitely farming properly. > > I usually win lane... so I'm laning properly. > > I try my best to roam and help other lanes but I cannot prevent my teammates from dying every time. I have started taking teleport every game because it lets me rush in to save a bad situation and I honestly feel like I don't even need ignite or heal anymore because I can win most fights without them. > > So what am I doing wrong? Didn't you just say Quinn suffers in team fights and has little to no CC? I can't really do much late game when my team wants to group for team fights. (which at my ELO, that's all they know how to do) > > I know I would be most effective if I split push when I'm strong... but my team is too dense to understand this. Honestly I don't know what else I can do at this point. > > I try to organize my team for objectives, but they do what they want. Should I be warding more often? It's probably the weakest aspect of my game, but I honestly can't see the benefit when my team doesn't even look at their minimap. I find that my team panics when they see me split pushing... I get constant warning pings from them if I venture out "too far" even though as Quinn I know I'm safe... and I know where the enemies are so I know when to back out. If my team is so busy watching me they aren't doing anything else... and that frustrates me a lot. > > I try to build the right items for the right situations... I rush to take any unguarded objective. I've gotten so aggressive that I will literally push all the lanes by myself with ult and teleport and yet my team is just running around and somehow I'm supposed to be EVEN BETTER than I currently am? I know for you it's easy to say, but to me I just can't see where I'm faulting SO badly that I can't climb out of this ELO where I'm obviously outperforming over half of the players in the match all the time. You're completely over-thinking it. What do you need to do to improve? Exactly what you're doing now, minus one mistake. There, you've indisputably improved. Take away another, and another, and another, and all of a sudden you're in Platinum. Stop trying to do everything and become everything. Just focus on making one less mistake at a time. You're a rather prideful player, and that's okay. But I know you're not prideful enough to pretend that you aren't making any mistakes. *** You're not upgrading your trinkets. You're not buying ANY wards. In your two most recent losses, you were 9/10/5 and 2/9/4, suggesting you're not giving enough respect to the fact that you're behind. Those are easy places to start working on. Don't make this complicated for yourself.
: Thank you so much with these advice. I'll be sure to try something up in mid if I need to mid ( will be rare but still, never know when I'll have to mid). One last question for this lovely post, Which role was most used when getting to challenger? E.g. ADC? Mid? Jg?
> [{quoted}](name=Shtrius,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=002500010000,timestamp=2015-05-11T22:33:24.199+0000) > > Thank you so much with these advice. I'll be sure to try something up in mid if I need to mid ( will be rare but still, never know when I'll have to mid). One last question for this lovely post, Which role was most used when getting to challenger? E.g. ADC? Mid? Jg? Top/jungle. I played mostly Hecarim top until he started getting permabanned. Now I mostly play Cho top/mid and Skarner jungle.
: How do I shut down these sperglords? ->{{champion:23}} {{champion:7}}
> [{quoted}](name=Thanzar,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=000700000001,timestamp=2015-05-11T22:35:16.627+0000) > > How do I shut down these sperglords? ->{{champion:23}} {{champion:7}} They're pretty assy against point-and-click lockdown CC in teamfights. Having champions like Skarner/Maokai helps a lot.
Konidias (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=deadturtle,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=00380000,timestamp=2015-05-11T22:15:44.740+0000) > > 1. Strong splitpush and assassination. She can succeed, but you need to be actually good at her to succeed. > > 2. I was silver in season 3 iirc. > > 3. Yes. But you get unlucky games to balance them out. You always fluctuate a bit above or below your actual ELO based on how your recent games have gone. It's not important in the long run. > > 4. To an extent yes, I know what you mean. But, I mean, for the most part you should still end up winning frequently enough on an individual level that you shouldn't have much trouble climbing at an ELO under yours. > > 5. I think you're over-thinking how inaccurate ranks are. Unless you haven't played many ranked games yet and the sample size is small, then your rank is roughly where you belong. > > *** > > You have a fair number of ranked games played. I'm going to be very blunt here. I'm sorry if you take this as rudeness, but I think you need to face reality. You are where you belong, and you need to accept that so you can start making progress. You've got to stop thinking about stupid things like how your teammates are holding you back and focus on how YOU are holding yourself back. > > I used to see these kinds of comments a lot back from Renekton players in S4. They'd come griping about things like "win lane, lose game." You know what? Renekton was made to win lane, and then continues to scale downward. Makes no sense to expect to win games just because you win lane on a lane-dominant champion. It's a similar thing for you. Quinn top is a nightmare for melees. She naturally wins top lane against basically every melee simply because her kit gives her a free pass. However, picking her every single game comes with its corresponding disadvantages. She brings almost no teamfight CC and tankiness, so picking her top every game without considering your team composition can put you at a severe late-game disadvantage. Not to mention you're picking Quinn top WITHOUT FAIL, likely pushing other people out of the position. I'm not saying you have to fill and play meta tanks, but consider the ways in which you are hurting your teams. > > You can choose to ignore what I'm saying - I've never seen you play, and I'm no one to you. But this is my honest opinion, judging from your stats and words. I have little reason for bias here - how well you do in ranked doesn't impact me, only you. You are deluding yourself, and it is harming your ability to learn and climb. Open your eyes and take a step back. Thanks for the feedback. I actually play Quinn mostly mid. I try to play her wherever I can fit her. I play her top, mid, adc... even jungle and support at times. I know the easier way to climb would be to learn all the top tier champs at the moment and then just pick whatever is best for the comp, but I love Quinn and honestly just enjoy playing her exclusively. Maybe it's just the fate of being a Quinn only player... I'm gonna get games where I am heavily disadvantaged due to team comps. I guess my best bet in the future is to just dodge those games. I find I do much better in games where the enemy team has few tanks. Like in my last game.
> [{quoted}](name=Konidias,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=003800000000,timestamp=2015-05-11T22:31:17.543+0000) > > Thanks for the feedback. I actually play Quinn mostly mid. I try to play her wherever I can fit her. I play her top, mid, adc... even jungle and support at times. I know the easier way to climb would be to learn all the top tier champs at the moment and then just pick whatever is best for the comp, but I love Quinn and honestly just enjoy playing her exclusively. Maybe it's just the fate of being a Quinn only player... I'm gonna get games where I am heavily disadvantaged due to team comps. I guess my best bet in the future is to just dodge those games. > > I find I do much better in games where the enemy team has few tanks. Like in my last game. I disagree. The best way to climb is usually to main a couple champions you're comfortable on and play the hell out of them. I did roughly the same thing you did on Quinn, except I did it on Hecarim and Cho'Gath. You don't have to dodge or anything of the sort. You could reach Challenger doing exactly what you're doing now, provided you play well enough. But that's just it - you have to play well enough. The only way you can play well enough is by improving on an individual level, and being fixated on how your team is "holding you back" most definitely is not conducive to efficient learning. Basically, stick with what you're doing if it's what you enjoy. But stop fooling yourself into thinking your teams are holding you back. Focus on improving your own play.
: Is there any reason why I shouldn't buy a stealth ward every time I back before lv 9, and upgrade trinket once I do? I'm a mid main and I get antsy if I don't have vision in both of those bushes. Like, I know I'm giving up gold for damage and such, but IMO I'd much rather freeze lane, farm, and not die from ganks. Maybe ward drag if my lane opponent just backed.
> [{quoted}](name=Xavaresxutris,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=003b,timestamp=2015-05-11T21:31:47.079+0000) > > Is there any reason why I shouldn't buy a stealth ward every time I back before lv 9, and upgrade trinket once I do? I'm a mid main and I get antsy if I don't have vision in both of those bushes. Like, I know I'm giving up gold for damage and such, but IMO I'd much rather freeze lane, farm, and not die from ganks. Maybe ward drag if my lane opponent just backed. Buying wards is great. Do consider that if you only keep one side warded, you can just lean to that side since you know it's safe. But overall? I think buying lots of wards is just fine. Don't be stingy with potions either.
: Can you get me out of garbage tier Tin-foil 9? http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/36560912#profile http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/50914933 What am I doing wrong? tfw -1lp at Bronze IV.
> [{quoted}](name=tempname8468,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=003a,timestamp=2015-05-11T21:23:58.033+0000) > > Can you get me out of garbage tier Tin-foil 9? > http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/36560912#profile > http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/50914933 > > What am I doing wrong? > > tfw -1lp at Bronze IV. You can start by not building like ass and playing a new champion every game. Pick 2-3 champions to main, hop on http://probuilds.net/, and check out the common rune/mastery/build/item setups for the champions you chose.
badooga (NA)
: I really don't have the time to play custom games to practice CSing, but I want to get better at farming, especially when I go ADC or most mages in mid lane (but not {{champion:30}}, I'm good with him). I'm OK with melee tops and junglers but do you have any tips on farming with ADCs and mages?
> [{quoted}](name=badooga,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=003c,timestamp=2015-05-11T21:46:14.480+0000) > > I really don't have the time to play custom games to practice CSing, but I want to get better at farming, especially when I go ADC or most mages in mid lane (but not {{champion:30}}, I'm good with him). I'm OK with melee tops and junglers but do you have any tips on farming with ADCs and mages? Get into custom games and practice CS'ing. Sorry, but it is what it is. You can't get good without putting the time in.
: Does KDA matter as much as people treat it? Half the time, it's the only statistic people bring up about their games and I'm starting to wonder if it's really not that important in the long run. Is the game really about getting the most kills?
> [{quoted}](name=tombdragon,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=003d,timestamp=2015-05-11T21:59:38.678+0000) > > Does KDA matter as much as people treat it? Half the time, it's the only statistic people bring up about their games and I'm starting to wonder if it's really not that important in the long run. > > Is the game really about getting the most kills? It's important only in the sense that you don't want to be dying all over the place without getting any for it. A bad KDA can reflect greedy or thoughtless play. But on the whole? No, it's not that relevent. Some champions and playstyles naturally wrack up higher/lower KDAs.
: A common problem I run into is against teams that stay heavily split. 1/3/1 pushes, or just that Udyr who annoyingly won't leave bot lane while you're sieging a 5v4 elsewhere. Obviously it's a good strategy if your team has enough waveclear for you to split, especially if you have the mobility to escape a collapse. But how do you deal with this style of play if you're on a team that groups well but can't catch the splitting champions? Say your 5v5 is far better than theirs, but you're lacking in the strength needed to tower dive them (say they have an Azir for counter dive, for example). How do you deal with people who constantly split in this situation? Sorry if my wording for this was confusing. TL;DR is how do you deal with split push heavy compositions that have enough waveclear and counterengage to defend 4v5?
> [{quoted}](name=Nasreth,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0039,timestamp=2015-05-11T20:38:39.567+0000) > > A common problem I run into is against teams that stay heavily split. 1/3/1 pushes, or just that Udyr who annoyingly won't leave bot lane while you're sieging a 5v4 elsewhere. > > Obviously it's a good strategy if your team has enough waveclear for you to split, especially if you have the mobility to escape a collapse. But how do you deal with this style of play if you're on a team that groups well but can't catch the splitting champions? Say your 5v5 is far better than theirs, but you're lacking in the strength needed to tower dive them (say they have an Azir for counter dive, for example). How do you deal with people who constantly split in this situation? > > Sorry if my wording for this was confusing. > TL;DR is how do you deal with split push heavy compositions that have enough waveclear and counterengage to defend 4v5? Play to your team composition's strengths, and play without hesitation. Time spent hesitating is time wasted. If an enemy is splitting, either send someone to deal with him (hopefully a top laner with teleport) or start forcing an objective immediately. You don't even need to make the best decision per se, you just need to act fast and act as a team. If you hesitate too long, there isn't going to be a good solution left to you.
Konidias (NA)
: 1. What are your opinions on Quinn? 2. What rank did you start at? 3. Do you think you got lucky along the way to climb to Challenger? What I mean is that do you feel you ever got carried in certain games that allowed you to win series or promos? 4. Would you say it's easier or harder to win games the higher your ranking? For example, I find it harder to win games at lower ELO due to my team being extremely incompetent. At mid Gold/Plat ELO it feels like my team at least has basic understanding of when to group, when to take objectives, etc. 5. Do you think a player who is getting consistent S ranks at low Gold ELO would be able to hold his own at diamond or master level if he has a strong team? Or is there some major disparity that would keep him from being viable at that level? I guess what I'm asking is do you think there is really much skill gap between a player who is better than 60% of all playerbase and a player who is better than 90%? Do you think luck ever plays a big enough factor? (bad teammates consistently, throwing huge leads that you've helped your team get, etc) I honestly just feel like I don't belong in my ELO and I'm stuck here due to the roll of the dice with my teammates.
> [{quoted}](name=Konidias,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0038,timestamp=2015-05-11T19:38:03.591+0000) > > 1. What are your opinions on Quinn? > > 2. What rank did you start at? > > 3. Do you think you got lucky along the way to climb to Challenger? What I mean is that do you feel you ever got carried in certain games that allowed you to win series or promos? > > 4. Would you say it's easier or harder to win games the higher your ranking? For example, I find it harder to win games at lower ELO due to my team being extremely incompetent. At mid Gold/Plat ELO it feels like my team at least has basic understanding of when to group, when to take objectives, etc. > > 5. Do you think a player who is getting consistent S ranks at low Gold ELO would be able to hold his own at diamond or master level if he has a strong team? Or is there some major disparity that would keep him from being viable at that level? > > I guess what I'm asking is do you think there is really much skill gap between a player who is better than 60% of all playerbase and a player who is better than 90%? Do you think luck ever plays a big enough factor? (bad teammates consistently, throwing huge leads that you've helped your team get, etc) > > I honestly just feel like I don't belong in my ELO and I'm stuck here due to the roll of the dice with my teammates. 1. Strong splitpush and assassination. She can succeed, but you need to be actually good at her to succeed. 2. I was silver in season 3 iirc. 3. Yes. But you get unlucky games to balance them out. You always fluctuate a bit above or below your actual ELO based on how your recent games have gone. It's not important in the long run. 4. To an extent yes, I know what you mean. But, I mean, for the most part you should still end up winning frequently enough on an individual level that you shouldn't have much trouble climbing at an ELO under yours. 5. I think you're over-thinking how inaccurate ranks are. Unless you haven't played many ranked games yet and the sample size is small, then your rank is roughly where you belong. *** You have a fair number of ranked games played. I'm going to be very blunt here. I'm sorry if you take this as rudeness, but I think you need to face reality. You are where you belong, and you need to accept that so you can start making progress. You've got to stop thinking about stupid things like how your teammates are holding you back and focus on how YOU are holding yourself back. I used to see these kinds of comments a lot back from Renekton players in S4. They'd come griping about things like "win lane, lose game." You know what? Renekton was made to win lane, and then continues to scale downward. Makes no sense to expect to win games just because you win lane on a lane-dominant champion. It's a similar thing for you. Quinn top is a nightmare for melees. She naturally wins top lane against basically every melee simply because her kit gives her a free pass. However, picking her every single game comes with its corresponding disadvantages. She brings almost no teamfight CC and tankiness, so picking her top every game without considering your team composition can put you at a severe late-game disadvantage. Not to mention you're picking Quinn top WITHOUT FAIL, likely pushing other people out of the position. I'm not saying you have to fill and play meta tanks, but consider the ways in which you are hurting your teams. You can choose to ignore what I'm saying - I've never seen you play, and I'm no one to you. But this is my honest opinion, judging from your stats and words. I have little reason for bias here - how well you do in ranked doesn't impact me, only you. You are deluding yourself, and it is harming your ability to learn and climb. Open your eyes and take a step back.
: > [{quoted}](name=deadturtle,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=001a0000,timestamp=2015-05-11T15:17:01.194+0000) > > Huh? As a solo queue role, jungle is arguably the highest impact position in the game, due to your heavy role in the outcome of all three lanes. This may be a bit blunt, but if you feel like you have low carry potential in the jungle, then I think you have to accept the fact that it's YOUR jungling that is low impact, not the role itself. I think that I might have phrased this badly. What I mean is that, while it's true that the jungle ganks and objective control is very important, a jungler seems less relevant in the mid-late game fights for those objectives and are reliant on the carries to close out the fights. It also feels like my team doesn't follow up on ganks and dragon calls early in the game. I was asking if I should switch to another role for a bit, so we'd have at least one lane that would do so in every game.
> [{quoted}](name=khmarican,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=001a00000000,timestamp=2015-05-11T18:53:32.599+0000) > > I think that I might have phrased this badly. What I mean is that, while it's true that the jungle ganks and objective control is very important, a jungler seems less relevant in the mid-late game fights for those objectives and are reliant on the carries to close out the fights. It also feels like my team doesn't follow up on ganks and dragon calls early in the game. I was asking if I should switch to another role for a bit, so we'd have at least one lane that would do so in every game. First off, if you're taking a tank/utility jungler then it's quite valid that your ADC and APC will hold greater relevance as damage-dealers in lategame teamfights. But you know, with this kind of thinking, you could call out similar flaws in any role. "It's hard for ADC to have any impact earlygame, and once it's lategame I have a hard time because I'm getting no peel. Maybe I should switch to a jungle tank so I can impact the game more early, and so we can have at least one player peeling lategame." That's a perfectly reasonable statement on the other side of things that I could totally see you saying if you were an ADC main. You choose what role suits you best - that's not something I'm going to try to decide for you. But I will say this - every role has its pros and cons, and at some point you're going to have to settle into a role and accept it for what it is. Other thing is, you're not technically limited to taking a support jungle role. Heavy damage/assassin junglers like Kha'Zix and Rengar are available as options to you as well.
Depóngo (EUNE)
: Well, the only reason I'm asking such a general question is because I was cautious that not playing for a long time will need some coming back to. Mainly cause I heard it from Jeremy from YouTube and cause I've got other real life stuff to take care of. So I was curious if a Challenger players has something on their mind about it or has a whole schedule on when to play League. Anyways, thanks again and have a good one senpai <3.
> [{quoted}](name=Depóngo,realm=EUNE,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=00330000000000000000,timestamp=2015-05-11T18:14:17.503+0000) > > Well, the only reason I'm asking such a general question is because I was cautious that not playing for a long time will need some coming back to. Mainly cause I heard it from Jeremy from YouTube and cause I've got other real life stuff to take care of. So I was curious if a Challenger players has something on their mind about it or has a whole schedule on when to play League. Anyways, thanks again and have a good one senpai <3. I'm in college and actually play a couple other games as well, so I don't spend a massive amount of time physically playing League anymore. But I sure as hell still spend a lot of time thinking and talking about it. So no, you don't really need a schedule or anything like that, but the more you play and the more you think about League the more quickly you're likely to improve. It's no different from anything else in life in that regard.
: Ok thanks, and sorry I wasn't meaning to imply that it was just the polar opposite that I could think of to my question. if you have time to answer, Is it more important to buy wards (upgrade yellow trinket) or sweep wards (red trinket) assuming I don't have sightstone.
> [{quoted}](name=Eggstealer,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=003100000000,timestamp=2015-05-11T18:12:43.910+0000) > > Ok thanks, and sorry I wasn't meaning to imply that it was just the polar opposite that I could think of to my question. > > if you have time to answer, Is it more important to buy wards (upgrade yellow trinket) or sweep wards (red trinket) assuming I don't have sightstone. Depends on champion/role, but in general it just depends on whether you prioritize getting vision or denying vision. If you're on the offensive and pressuring Baron, having lots of Sweepers is really nice. If you're on the defensive, vice versa. From your op.gg, it looks like you're doing fine as far as changing trinkets goes - I wouldn't worry about it too much.
Nipsahoy (NA)
: What's the best way to climb? Admittedly I'm probably not going to go much higher than gold - maybe to platinum if I really work hard. I'm just curious what the best way to get better at the game is? I have a hard time carrying games in gold now as an AD carry main. Usually top or mid feeds really badly and then I'm stuck running for my life from a fed assassin or mage that can destroy me very quickly. I try my best to win my lane and then focus on helping other lanes or shoving turrets and creating pressure but all to often it's just too difficult.
> [{quoted}](name=Slayer Kenshin,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=001b,timestamp=2015-05-11T00:32:12.972+0000) > > What's the best way to climb? Admittedly I'm probably not going to go much higher than gold - maybe to platinum if I really work hard. I'm just curious what the best way to get better at the game is? I have a hard time carrying games in gold now as an AD carry main. Usually top or mid feeds really badly and then I'm stuck running for my life from a fed assassin or mage that can destroy me very quickly. I try my best to win my lane and then focus on helping other lanes or shoving turrets and creating pressure but all to often it's just too difficult. Several things. 1. Play a lot. Nothing to really talk about here. 2. Specialize. 100 hours on Jinx, or 1 hour each on 100 different champions? You know the answer. 3. Focus on what you can actually change. Last hit better. Position better. Kite better. Track enemy summoner spells better. You don't need to do anything drastically different to climb - you just have to play a bit better than you are now. Work on fixing those few mistakes you know you make game after game. If you're Gold 5, the question "what does it take to reach Gold 4" is wholly irrelevant. What does it take? Exactly what you have, minus one or two mistakes.
Depóngo (EUNE)
: Thank you for the replay. The one thing I wanted to ask the most is, what is about the minimum frequency of playing that is required for someone to keep their skill level relatively intact and growing. Whether it is two game per day or every weekend as much as you can. I think that, for a difference from my older question, division and desired division doesn't matter.
> [{quoted}](name=Depóngo,realm=EUNE,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=003300000000,timestamp=2015-05-11T17:11:50.846+0000) > > Thank you for the replay. The one thing I wanted to ask the most is, what is about the minimum frequency of playing that is required for someone to keep their skill level relatively intact and growing. Whether it is two game per day or every weekend as much as you can. I think that, for a difference from my older question, division and desired division doesn't matter. What you're asking is something I really can't answer - I'm sorry. Put in as much time as you can to improve. Why ask about anything less, if you actually care about improving? Cool, you only play two serious games a week and still climbed to Gold. But what if you played four? You're not going to get anywhere worthwhile if you're just trying to figure out how much you can slack off.
: As a jungler, I feel like I farm at inopportune times. Should I not farm at all while my team is looking to teamfight or control objectives, even if I am worried about falling behind level-wise?
> [{quoted}](name=CC Shepherd,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=002c,timestamp=2015-05-11T11:24:42.841+0000) > > As a jungler, I feel like I farm at inopportune times. Should I not farm at all while my team is looking to teamfight or control objectives, even if I am worried about falling behind level-wise? A lot depends on what champion you're playing and the specific game scenario. Are you on a tank with strong pick potential like Skarner? Then it's probably ideal for you to look to start a fight by ulting an out-of-position squishy. Are you on a clean-up assassin like Kha'Zix? Then it's probably ideal for you to enter fights a bit later, so farming in the fog of war nearby may not be such a bad idea. That being said, it's not like most games are just 24/7 brawls. There's generally plenty of time to pick up farm in between fights and objectives.
Kosm1K (NA)
: How do you feel about the current state for {{champion:92}} and the upcoming nerfs? Do you think she'll be viable to play in soloqueue?
> [{quoted}](name=Kosm1K,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=002a,timestamp=2015-05-11T11:11:47.739+0000) > > How do you feel about the current state for {{champion:92}} and the upcoming nerfs? Do you think she'll be viable to play in soloqueue? She'll be fine, in my opinion. Wait for the nerfs to hit live and try her for yourself. Your opinion is the only one that matters in this case.
: So I'm stuck at Bronze 3-4 and just wanted ask two questions. How does it feel to not be in bronze? what should I do as a darius main if the enemy takes an adc top lane? (say {{champion:236}} or {{champion:429}} )
> [{quoted}](name=JuhnZeiFox,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0029,timestamp=2015-05-11T11:07:30.399+0000) > > So I'm stuck at Bronze 3-4 and just wanted ask two questions. > How does it feel to not be in bronze? > what should I do as a darius main if the enemy takes an adc top lane? (say {{champion:236}} or {{champion:429}} ) Mobile ranged opponents are always going to be a tough matchup for an immobile melee like Darius. Don't be afraid to give up some CS to avoid taking too much damage. Try to abuse the bushes. You innately do more damage than they do, so when you are able to get a duel in, you should win it. Be patient and wait for a good opportunity to pull. And if they're constantly running from you to avoid your pull, use that to pressure them off of last hits. They want that cannon minion? Walk up to it. If they stay to last hit it, you get a free pull. If they back off, you just denied them a cannon.
: what do i do if i want to play my best champ (for me its {{champion:101}} ) but my teammates are all "that champ sucks/dont go into lane against (whatever lane opponent i will have)". i have other champs but im best at this champ.
> [{quoted}](name=death t200,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0028,timestamp=2015-05-11T10:13:55.463+0000) > > what do i do if i want to play my best champ (for me its {{champion:101}} ) but my teammates are all "that champ sucks/dont go into lane against (whatever lane opponent i will have)". i have other champs but im best at this champ. You play it.
: How do I keep up in CS after the laning phase, where teams are roaming a lot?
> [{quoted}](name=Zenthon127,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0026,timestamp=2015-05-11T03:45:24.035+0000) > > How do I keep up in CS after the laning phase, where teams are roaming a lot? Get what you reasonably can without putting yourself in danger/screwing your team because you don't want to group. You don't need to hold yourself to crazy standards like 250 cs by 30 minutes. Just get what you can.
DUDE BRO (NA)
: How does the amount of ragers/trolls in challenger compare to in normals? Last season I got to gold in ranked pretty quick and then quit ranked due to all the ragers. I find normals much more enjoying, but am wondering if ragers would've become less problematic if I kept climbing the ranks. Still unsure if I should bother with ranked this season. Thanks!
> [{quoted}](name=DUDE BRO,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0027,timestamp=2015-05-11T04:54:05.997+0000) > > How does the amount of ragers/trolls in challenger compare to in normals? > > Last season I got to gold in ranked pretty quick and then quit ranked due to all the ragers. I find normals much more enjoying, but am wondering if ragers would've become less problematic if I kept climbing the ranks. Still unsure if I should bother with ranked this season. > > Thanks! They're infrequent, for several reasons. First off, raging and trolling isn't exactly conducive to winning. It's kind of hard to reach Challenger if you're losing winnable games because you start raging. And I assure you, the people up in Challenger are there because they really want to win. Second, there's less to actually rage about, because there's less to disagree about. Having two Silvers get into a huge argument because they're blaming each other is a pretty common sight. But I mean, the higher you go, the better people understand the game. I may not be happy that the enemy top laner received much greater jungle pressure than I did, but when it comes down to it, I'm well aware that I lost lane largely due to my own improper play, and that my jungler was more focused on controlling the Dragon area because he's Nunu. I may not be happy that my bot lane is 0-4, but I'm well aware that my ADC is a top main who was forced into bot lane due to a mismatch of roles and now has to play Jinx into Sneaky's Lucian. I'm not going to start arguments over those things, no matter how frustrated I am. So, to answer your question, yes. It does get better as you go up.
: I love Darius. He is my true main and I dislike everyone else. ( If I am forced to go ADC I can use {{champion:15}} {{champion:42}} . If I have to JG, I have mumu. If I have to mid, I ALWAYS dodge, I can't mid at all. If I have to support, well I have a fun time.) I have a good amount of matches with him probably around 500-700~ matches. How do I get to challenger? What are my goals as a top laner? Should I take TP? Sometimes I feel like ignite is VERY strong for Darius but TP is good too, what's ur opinion?_ Current ELO: Plat III_
> [{quoted}](name=Shtrius,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0025,timestamp=2015-05-11T03:31:25.005+0000) > > I love Darius. He is my true main and I dislike everyone else. ( If I am forced to go ADC I can use {{champion:15}} {{champion:42}} . If I have to JG, I have mumu. If I have to mid, I ALWAYS dodge, I can't mid at all. If I have to support, well I have a fun time.) I have a good amount of matches with him probably around 500-700~ matches. > > How do I get to challenger? What are my goals as a top laner? Should I take TP? Sometimes I feel like ignite is VERY strong for Darius but TP is good too, what's ur opinion?_ Current ELO: Plat III_ How do you get to Challenger? You get to Plat 2, then Plat 1, and continue on from there. Your goal as a top laner is simply to have as large a positive impact as you can. That can come from early roams to get your team ahead, it can come from simply shitting on the enemy top laner until he's irrelevant, it can come from AFK farming and becoming a lategame monster. It depends on what champion you're playing and the win conditions of the given game, based on team compositions and how things are going. I personally consider Teleport borderline irreplaceable on top laners, but as I've said many times in this thread - do what works for you, period. That being said, make sure you're not just picking Ignite out of comfort, though. Give Teleport a reasonable shot, and if you still end up favoring Ignite, then that's perfectly fine. But if aren't using Teleport simply because you haven't given it a fair chance, then you're only doing yourself a disservice. I can sympathize with dodging a role you don't play well, and it shouldn't be that big of an issue because Mid is a highly-contested role anyways. It's probably pretty infrequent that you get forced into it. It probably wouldn't hurt to put just 10-20 normals into learning an easy mid laner like Cho'gath or Annie, though. It's not as difficult as you think.
DrNova (NA)
: Whenever I play top lane, I often get stuck in the position of being stuck in top lane. I never know when its ok to leave lane. Especially when both top towers are up, and neither can get a tower unless the other leaves. So when do you finally decide to give up and go roam and help mid, or do you stay there and make sure to keep up with farm enemy top has,and keep your tower, ect ect. Basically on a long stalled top I never know if and when I should leave top
> [{quoted}](name=DrNova,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0023,timestamp=2015-05-11T02:32:32.893+0000) > > Whenever I play top lane, I often get stuck in the position of being stuck in top lane. I never know when its ok to leave lane. Especially when both top towers are up, and neither can get a tower unless the other leaves. > > So when do you finally decide to give up and go roam and help mid, or do you stay there and make sure to keep up with farm enemy top has,and keep your tower, ect ect. > > Basically on a long stalled top I never know if and when I should leave top Are you trying to win your lane, or win the game? The two aren't mutually exclusive, but do factor your answer to that question into your decision-making. Do what it takes to win. Sometimes that means staying in lane, and sometimes that means leaving it.
: How do you carry a team as support, when your ADC dosent listen and is just bad?
> [{quoted}](name=DarkFaun Fortes,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0021,timestamp=2015-05-11T02:14:45.476+0000) > > How do you carry a team as support, when your ADC dosent listen and is just bad? Roam. But I'm going to go ahead and be honest here - I think you're a much bigger problem than your ADC. You have a 26% ranked winrate, but are still trying to push things off onto your teammates. Stop deluding yourself and fix your own play.
: FIrst of all, I'd like to thank you for taking the time to do this, it means a lot to us! However, my actual question is this: How can I best deal with Jinx, either as support or ADC? I don't want to just go on LOLCounter.com and just choose the best counter to her to guarantee a win, however I myself find it VERY difficult to fight against Jinx, majorly because of her range from her Q as well as the constant fear of her using her ultimate while you and your ADC are low and are trying to go in. Any suggestions?
> [{quoted}](name=FIuffCow,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0020,timestamp=2015-05-11T02:02:36.148+0000) > > FIrst of all, I'd like to thank you for taking the time to do this, it means a lot to us! However, my actual question is this: How can I best deal with Jinx, either as support or ADC? I don't want to just go on LOLCounter.com and just choose the best counter to her to guarantee a win, however I myself find it VERY difficult to fight against Jinx, majorly because of her range from her Q as well as the constant fear of her using her ultimate while you and your ADC are low and are trying to go in. Any suggestions? Jinx's ult damage has been nerfed pretty heavily at close range, so that's something nice to look forward to in close-range fights. That being said, Jinx has a mediocre laning phase and pretty poor dueling early on. Her lack of a true escape also makes her particularly susceptible to hard engages from supports like Leona.
: Do you do anything in particular to improve your reaction time / keep it sharp? I'm 26 now, and one of my biggest issues is that sometimes I'll see or know what I have to do, but I simply am not able to react fast enough (which forces me to play less mechanically demanding champions). Curious to see if it's just something natural for high tier players, or something they work for.
> [{quoted}](name=AbyssionKnight,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0024,timestamp=2015-05-11T03:19:40.731+0000) > > Do you do anything in particular to improve your reaction time / keep it sharp? > > I'm 26 now, and one of my biggest issues is that sometimes I'll see or know what I have to do, but I simply am not able to react fast enough (which forces me to play less mechanically demanding champions). Curious to see if it's just something natural for high tier players, or something they work for. What you think is pure reaction time is, more often than not, built on expectation from strong game knowledge. Watch this video of Lustboy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQHz04_PpD0 Was that Flash fucking impressive? Hell yeah. Did he see that Sejuani ultimate coming and flash out within milliseconds? Hell no. He knew the enemy team wasn't present elsewhere on the map, he knew TSM was grouped up in that chokepoint, and he saw Sivir suddenly ult in. He flashed that Sejuani ult because he was expecting that engage to come. And if it makes you feel any better, those reaction time tests always make me feel bad because I usually score well under-average.
: I was Plat V one week ago. I started to play ranked a lot and in 8 days, i went from Plat V to Plat I. I've carried each of my games as adcarry and since i'm in Plat I, i never carry any game. Sometimes it's me who fails, sometimes my team just feeds trash champs ( Fizz, Maokai, Kata, LB.. ) and as an adcarry, i can't deal with them. I got demoted to Plat 2 and i'm still loosing.. I feel so bad atm :/.. Any tips ?
> [{quoted}](name=deft proxy vEu1,realm=EUW,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=001c,timestamp=2015-05-11T00:50:19.250+0000) > > I was Plat V one week ago. I started to play ranked a lot and in 8 days, i went from Plat V to Plat I. I've carried each of my games as adcarry and since i'm in Plat I, i never carry any game. Sometimes it's me who fails, sometimes my team just feeds trash champs ( Fizz, Maokai, Kata, LB.. ) and as an adcarry, i can't deal with them. I got demoted to Plat 2 and i'm still loosing.. I feel so bad atm :/.. Any tips ? Everyone belongs in a certain ELO bracket. If you're a Plat 2 player, say, you should reasonably expect your rank to fluctuate in between Plat 3 and Plat 1, perhaps even a little further, depending on your recent luck and how well you've been playing. It's easy to get frustrated at demotions, but do be realistic about it and realize that's a natural part of the process. You're chilling in or around the ELO bracket you actually belong in, so don't get so down over a small demotion. You don't need to ask me what mistakes you're making. You're high plat. You're a good player, and you know very well what many of the mistakes you've been making are. So get your mind back into it and work on actually fixing those mistakes, instead of pushing them out of your head.
: When to engage and when to back off?
> [{quoted}](name=PikaCHU567,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0036,timestamp=2015-05-11T16:44:19.389+0000) > > When to engage and when to back off? When you're at an advantage / when you're at a disadvantage. This question is too general for me to give a useful reply to - you know that as well as I do.
: I have a few to ask you about. 1: As a mid lane main I like to play defensive early even on typically aggressive people like fizz, ahri, zed, etc; this mean that when I get beat early (in either/both kills or cs) I usually lose lane (until I can get more items). How can i try to win early game more (I have pretty much learned most of my combo damages [with/without exhaust/ignite]), when they do not let me roam or they are constantly pushing against my tower and I just hope that the jungler comes so we can make a play? Would you suggest this? 2: what can I do to carry games more when I am the only one on my team who is not feeding; I had a 11-4 trynd game a couple days ago, where my bot lane fed a jinx until she was 21-1-? at 25 mins (i could barely 1v1 her with ult, and youmuu's). I split push as best i could and got to inhib towers in all lanes for my team (but this meant no dragon control, or team fight presence [only picks]; was this the right choice? 3: what's your opinion on the people who complain about things like who is op, or why ? players suck; I had a game a couple hours before the previous trynd game mentioned when I was playing him top (versing an irelia), and they were overextending all the time (saying how op I am cause i have like a 70% crit chance [with max rage], and how she cant 1v1 me (when she is standing in creeps too). I responded saying that pretty much everyone in league can be considered op for some reason, and was teaching them how to play against trynd and how to beat my play-style -- they later said to report me because i was playing trynd ("too op"), and that i suck cause I was playing trynd 4: any ways that I can get better at learning who counters who by heart (and not having to look it up); I have some high ranking friends in dota (top 30 for some people), and they say just to pick them and learn to beat counters, your opinions?
> [{quoted}](name=The fizz void,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=001f,timestamp=2015-05-11T01:56:34.523+0000) > > I have a few to ask you about. > > 1: As a mid lane main I like to play defensive early even on typically aggressive people like fizz, ahri, zed, etc; this mean that when I get beat early (in either/both kills or cs) I usually lose lane (until I can get more items). How can i try to win early game more (I have pretty much learned most of my combo damages [with/without exhaust/ignite]), when they do not let me roam or they are constantly pushing against my tower and I just hope that the jungler comes so we can make a play? Would you suggest this? > > 2: what can I do to carry games more when I am the only one on my team who is not feeding; I had a 11-4 trynd game a couple days ago, where my bot lane fed a jinx until she was 21-1-? at 25 mins (i could barely 1v1 her with ult, and youmuu's). I split push as best i could and got to inhib towers in all lanes for my team (but this meant no dragon control, or team fight presence [only picks]; was this the right choice? > > 3: what's your opinion on the people who complain about things like who is op, or why ? players suck; I had a game a couple hours before the previous trynd game mentioned when I was playing him top (versing an irelia), and they were overextending all the time (saying how op I am cause i have like a 70% crit chance [with max rage], and how she cant 1v1 me (when she is standing in creeps too). I responded saying that pretty much everyone in league can be considered op for some reason, and was teaching them how to play against trynd and how to beat my play-style -- they later said to report me because i was playing trynd ("too op"), and that i suck cause I was playing trynd > > 4: any ways that I can get better at learning who counters who by heart (and not having to look it up); I have some high ranking friends in dota (top 30 for some people), and they say just to pick them and learn to beat counters, your opinions? 1. Answered in previous reply. 2. This is situational. I think the problem here is that you're presenting me with a scenario that rarely happens. A 21-1 enemy ADC at 25 minutes? Why are you so focused on figuring out how to combat an innately unfair situation that comes up once in a blue moon, rather than trying to figure out how to play around common situations that come up almost every game? Questions like this are pretty much complaints framed with a question mark at the end. You know that as well as I do. 3. Whining. Ignore it. I'm sure you meant well, but a guy who's clearly frustrated and angry probably isn't going to respond well to the source of his frustration trying to tell him how to play. Leave it alone - let him play his game and focus on your own. 4. Yes - just play the game a lot. As you play and see more matchups, you'll continue to refine your own knowledge.
: A big part of improving as a player is knowing how to look for opportunities that aren't readily apparent. For example, I've seen Leonas randomly leave bot to invade and kill the low-health enemy jungler. Can you suggest any opportunities that most players don't know how to look for? (I already know most of the "free dragon" situations).
> [{quoted}](name=Ravoria,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0035,timestamp=2015-05-11T16:28:02.441+0000) > > A big part of improving as a player is knowing how to look for opportunities that aren't readily apparent. For example, I've seen Leonas randomly leave bot to invade and kill the low-health enemy jungler. Can you suggest any opportunities that most players don't know how to look for? (I already know most of the "free dragon" situations). Knowledge naturally opens up opportunity. What isn't readily apparent to you is pretty apparent to the other guy. Let's say I'm that Leona. This is probably how I knew what to do. The enemy jungler is playing Rengar. He ganked mid at 3:30. I clicked him and his red buff was half expired. Red buff lasts two minutes - that means one minute has passed since he acquired Red buff. Because Red buff has a five minute respawn timer, I can estimate that his Red buff will come back up again in roughly four minutes. So I type ~7:30 their red into chat. 7:00 swings around and Rengar ganks mid. The gank works, but he drops to 1/3 HP. He then disappears into his red jungle at 7:20. You know what? He's pretty low, and I'm fairly certain his Red buff is about to come up. So I swing by there, and sure enough he's doing Red, so I pick up the easy kill. While that foray into his jungle may seem a bit random to you, it was a pretty reasonable looking opportunity to me, because I took a moment to interpret available information earlier in the game. *** Now, this is just one example, but the point is that there's actually a fair bit of information on the map that people tend not to notice - whether because they didn't take a few minutes to read how long Red buff lasts on the wiki, or because they didn't take a few seconds to click Rengar while he ganked mid. When you start to take account of that information, a lot of interesting plays will naturally begin to open up.
: > [{quoted}](name=deadturtle,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=00320000,timestamp=2015-05-11T14:46:51.982+0000) > > It's nice to get a few games of experience on any champion you haven't played before, just to try out the kits whenever said champions are free. But in terms of improvement you should be grinding a small pool of champions on repeat as opposed to trying to become good at every champion. I mean, you get to choose your champion. It's not as though you ever have to play Kalista if you don't want to, so it's not necessary to become good at her. If all you ever want to do is play Heimerdinger, then just learn Heimerdinger as best you can. > > Personally, I only have 5+ games worth of experience on perhaps 1/4th of the champions. The rest didn't interest me, so I simply didn't play them, aside from a cursory trial game or two. > > Just ask yourself what kind of player you actually want to become. Do you want to be someone who can hop on anything and do reasonably well? Or do you want to be someone who's really good at a couple roles or champions but just alright at everything else? I chose the latter, because I wanted ELO and that's the quickest way to get it. > > That being said, that doesn't make me bad, per se, at the other roles. I may main top and jungle, but playing at Master/Challenger pits you with and against really high level players from each role every single game, so I have a fairly solid idea of how the other roles function. Additionally, a lot of mechanics are general to League as opposed to specific to a champion. So even though I've played only maybe 100 total games as ADC in my lifetime, I'd still be able to hop onto it and play it acceptably at a Diamond or so level. You will naturally get better at other roles and champions even if you don't play them, so long as specializing into a couple roles/champions pushes you to a higher ELO than you'd otherwise have access to. Thank you for your reply! I edited my post to add another question about Mundo, can you answer that as well? Thanks :)
> [{quoted}](name=SweetPotato233,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=003200000000,timestamp=2015-05-11T15:15:45.858+0000) > > Thank you for your reply! > I edited my post to add another question about Mundo, can you answer that as well? Thanks :) You play who you do well on. Do be aware that part of why you think "x" champion is strong is unavoidably because you haven't put as much time into learning other champions. You need to be realistic about that, at the very least. But you know, who cares? You decide how you want to play this game. If you want to be a Mundo main for life, you do that.
: How long will it take for me to support my way to plat? Lol
> [{quoted}](name=Subject 5,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0034,timestamp=2015-05-11T16:14:14.535+0000) > > How long will it take for me to support my way to plat? Lol I don't know. I think you should be the one answering that.
Depóngo (EUNE)
: How often and for how long at a time should someone, for example, in high Silver, play to gain elo until Master or Challenger assuming they focus on improving like watching replays, watching the pros, taking notes, etc.?
> [{quoted}](name=Depóngo,realm=EUNE,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0033,timestamp=2015-05-11T16:11:02.358+0000) > > How often and for how long at a time should someone, for example, in high Silver, play to gain elo until Master or Challenger assuming they focus on improving like watching replays, watching the pros, taking notes, etc.? If all you have eyes for is the top of the ladder, you're making it harder on yourself to climb the rungs directly above you. Noone can skip those rungs. And, that's not a question I can answer. But I will say this - there are millions of people trying to grind up the ladder. How much time do you need to put in to broach the top two hundred? For all intents and purposes - all of it, friend, all of it.
: Might not be an advice question, but since Ekko has just been previewed, I'd like to ask: How close to what's depicted in his teaser do you think Riot can make Ekko's time rewind without completely breaking him?
> [{quoted}](name=TemporalDonut,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0019,timestamp=2015-05-11T00:26:53.052+0000) > > Might not be an advice question, but since Ekko has just been previewed, I'd like to ask: > > How close to what's depicted in his teaser do you think Riot can make Ekko's time rewind without completely breaking him? Your guess is as good as mine.
: What Jungle champions can you solo carry with in bronze?
> [{quoted}](name=RouterSmiter,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0022,timestamp=2015-05-11T02:21:43.639+0000) > > What Jungle champions can you solo carry with in bronze? Whoever you're comfortable on. If you play Rengar at a bronze level, you're going to be bronze. If you play Nunu at a bronze level you're going to be bronze. If you play Rengar at a silver level, you're going to be silver. If you play Nunu at a silver level, you're going to be silver. Catch my drift? It's usually the player who needs to change, not the champion.
: Do you think that, as a jungle main, I should temporarily switch to maining a role with a greater potential to carry until I reach a higher ranking? It seems like the jungle is far more team reliant than any other role save support, as there is less potential to swing a fight around if you're at a disadvantage.
> [{quoted}](name=khmarican,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=001a,timestamp=2015-05-11T00:27:56.319+0000) > > Do you think that, as a jungle main, I should temporarily switch to maining a role with a greater potential to carry until I reach a higher ranking? It seems like the jungle is far more team reliant than any other role save support, as there is less potential to swing a fight around if you're at a disadvantage. Huh? As a solo queue role, jungle is arguably the highest impact position in the game, due to your heavy role in the outcome of all three lanes. This may be a bit blunt, but if you feel like you have low carry potential in the jungle, then I think you have to accept the fact that it's YOUR jungling that is low impact, not the role itself.
Raemnant (NA)
: I've been playing {{champion:421}} as my main jungler since she was released. I had a stupid winrate with her last season(100% ranked, 70% normals), but theres something I always come in trouble with. Back in her release, she was literally broken so I would always build damage first, but nowadays shes been significantly nerfed. The question is, should I keep getting Warrior on her, or switch to Cinderhulk? Should I keep building Hydra on her so early, or focus on Tank? This tank meta is taking over everything, but Rek'Sai is in the right spot to really adapt to all these changes. I find myself killing the enemy less, and feeding my team mates more and more
> [{quoted}](name=Raemnant,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=002d,timestamp=2015-05-11T11:27:50.193+0000) > > I've been playing {{champion:421}} as my main jungler since she was released. I had a stupid winrate with her last season(100% ranked, 70% normals), but theres something I always come in trouble with. Back in her release, she was literally broken so I would always build damage first, but nowadays shes been significantly nerfed. > > The question is, should I keep getting Warrior on her, or switch to Cinderhulk? Should I keep building Hydra on her so early, or focus on Tank? This tank meta is taking over everything, but Rek'Sai is in the right spot to really adapt to all these changes. I find myself killing the enemy less, and feeding my team mates more and more Both are acceptable. If you're snowballing hard early, I think Warrior is great. If you're doing alright, I'd probably just go Cinderhulk tank.
: When I play jungle, should I prioritize vision (sighstone) for my team knowing that it will keep them safer? or should I assume they don't know what a minimap is and build to carry the game. What ADC's counter Jinx or can do well against her late game and adequate early. Also, how do I gank top when drag is up without giving up dragon. ie. both bot lanes are healthy and the enemy top is kill able.
> [{quoted}](name=Eggstealer,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0031,timestamp=2015-05-11T14:01:04.281+0000) > > When I play jungle, should I prioritize vision (sighstone) for my team knowing that it will keep them safer? or should I assume they don't know what a minimap is and build to carry the game. > > What ADC's counter Jinx or can do well against her late game and adequate early. > > Also, how do I gank top when drag is up without giving up dragon. ie. both bot lanes are healthy and the enemy top is kill able. Sightstone is a per-champion and per-game consideration. I would never skip Sightstone on Nunu, because he's a utility jungler who doesn't scale super well with items. I would never buy Sightstone on Kha'Zix, because he's an assassin jungler who absolutely requires damage items. That being said, please don't treat your teammates like infants. They may not be watching the minimap at all times, but if your wards aren't in terrible locations, then the vision your wards provide will generally be quite helpful. And if you don't think your teammates are watching the map..aren't you watching it? If the enemy jungler shows up on a ward, caution-ping him a couple times to let your team know. It takes zero effort on your part. Not buying Sightstone because you think you need more immediate combat stats that game is perfectly acceptable, but not warding because "my teammates can't watch the minimap" is a terrible excuse.
: I'm still somewhat new to League of Legends (~180 wins in normal) I'm still not familliar with a lot of champions in the game, but i managed to get pretty good at a few of them. So, is it better for me right now to play a large pool of champions or just play a few champions over and over again to get really good at them? Also, I main top lane and i often pick Mundo for it, but my friends keep telling me that he is weak and suggest me to play other champions even though i find Mundo to be pretty strong. What's your thoughts on this? Thanks in advance.
> [{quoted}](name=SweetPotato233,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0032,timestamp=2015-05-11T14:31:41.220+0000) > > Hi, I'm still somewhat new to League of Legends (~180 wins in normal) I'm still not familliar with a lot of champions in the game, but i managed to get pretty good at a few of them. > So, is it better for me right now to play a large pool of champions or just play a few champions over and over again to get really good at them? Thanks in advance. It's nice to get a few games of experience on any champion you haven't played before, just to try out the kits whenever said champions are free. But in terms of improvement you should be grinding a small pool of champions on repeat as opposed to trying to become good at every champion. I mean, you get to choose your champion. It's not as though you ever have to play Kalista if you don't want to, so it's not necessary to become good at her. If all you ever want to do is play Heimerdinger, then just learn Heimerdinger as best you can. Personally, I only have 5+ games worth of experience on perhaps 1/4th of the champions. The rest didn't interest me, so I simply didn't play them, aside from a cursory trial game or two. Just ask yourself what kind of player you actually want to become. Do you want to be someone who can hop on anything and do reasonably well? Or do you want to be someone who's really good at a couple roles or champions but just alright at everything else? I chose the latter, because I wanted ELO and that's the quickest way to get it. That being said, that doesn't make me bad, per se, at the other roles. I may main top and jungle, but playing at Master/Challenger pits you with and against really high level players from each role every single game, so I have a fairly solid idea of how the other roles function. Additionally, a lot of mechanics are general to League as opposed to specific to a champion. So even though I've played only maybe 100 total games as ADC in my lifetime, I'd still be able to hop onto it and play it acceptably at a Diamond or so level. You will naturally get better at other roles and champions even if you don't play them, so long as specializing into a couple roles/champions pushes you to a higher ELO than you'd otherwise have access to.
: How to continue focusing on CS throughout the game? I can get most if not all of the cs in the first few waves but I can't keep my mind on it.
> [{quoted}](name=jimmylism,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=0030,timestamp=2015-05-11T13:27:14.560+0000) > > How to continue focusing on CS throughout the game? I can get most if not all of the cs in the first few waves but I can't keep my mind on it. First ask yourself if you actually need to. It's pretty easy to feel like you have to keep up with CS benchmarks, but in reality you should just be doing whatever the specific game dictates as necessary. It's okay to miss CS if you're doing useful things in the meantime. It's only not okay if you're missing all that exp and gold but doing nothing useful to compensate. That being said, it generally is a good rule of thumb to keep your CS up to give a level of stability to your play. Just think about whether it's necessary for you to be somewhere on the map, and when. If your team isn't about to start fighting over some objective, you have some free time to go farm the jungle or side lanes. This is stated pretty frequently, but roughly 20 minions equate to one kill's worth of gold. Keep that in mind when you're deciding whether you should clear a wave or chase after an opponent.
: I have a few to ask you about. 1: As a mid lane main I like to play defensive early even on typically aggressive people like fizz, ahri, zed, etc; this mean that when I get beat early (in either/both kills or cs) I usually lose lane (until I can get more items). How can i try to win early game more (I have pretty much learned most of my combo damages [with/without exhaust/ignite]), when they do not let me roam or they are constantly pushing against my tower and I just hope that the jungler comes so we can make a play? Would you suggest this? 2: what can I do to carry games more when I am the only one on my team who is not feeding; I had a 11-4 trynd game a couple days ago, where my bot lane fed a jinx until she was 21-1-? at 25 mins (i could barely 1v1 her with ult, and youmuu's). I split push as best i could and got to inhib towers in all lanes for my team (but this meant no dragon control, or team fight presence [only picks]; was this the right choice? 3: what's your opinion on the people who complain about things like who is op, or why ? players suck; I had a game a couple hours before the previous trynd game mentioned when I was playing him top (versing an irelia), and they were overextending all the time (saying how op I am cause i have like a 70% crit chance [with max rage], and how she cant 1v1 me (when she is standing in creeps too). I responded saying that pretty much everyone in league can be considered op for some reason, and was teaching them how to play against trynd and how to beat my play-style -- they later said to report me because i was playing trynd ("too op"), and that i suck cause I was playing trynd 4: any ways that I can get better at learning who counters who by heart (and not having to look it up); I have some high ranking friends in dota (top 30 for some people), and they say just to pick them and learn to beat counters, your opinions?
> [{quoted}](name=The fizz void,realm=NA,application-id=WEuoGbmp,discussion-id=HXiImb5O,comment-id=001f,timestamp=2015-05-11T01:56:34.523+0000) > > I have a few to ask you about. > > 1: As a mid lane main I like to play defensive early even on typically aggressive people like fizz, ahri, zed, etc; this mean that when I get beat early (in either/both kills or cs) I usually lose lane (until I can get more items). How can i try to win early game more (I have pretty much learned most of my combo damages [with/without exhaust/ignite]), when they do not let me roam or they are constantly pushing against my tower and I just hope that the jungler comes so we can make a play? Would you suggest this? > > 2: what can I do to carry games more when I am the only one on my team who is not feeding; I had a 11-4 trynd game a couple days ago, where my bot lane fed a jinx until she was 21-1-? at 25 mins (i could barely 1v1 her with ult, and youmuu's). I split push as best i could and got to inhib towers in all lanes for my team (but this meant no dragon control, or team fight presence [only picks]; was this the right choice? > > 3: what's your opinion on the people who complain about things like who is op, or why ? players suck; I had a game a couple hours before the previous trynd game mentioned when I was playing him top (versing an irelia), and they were overextending all the time (saying how op I am cause i have like a 70% crit chance [with max rage], and how she cant 1v1 me (when she is standing in creeps too). I responded saying that pretty much everyone in league can be considered op for some reason, and was teaching them how to play against trynd and how to beat my play-style -- they later said to report me because i was playing trynd ("too op"), and that i suck cause I was playing trynd 1. I invite you to consider that this isn't defensive play, but bad play. "Aggressive" and "defensive" are too often used as conveniently nicer ways of framing play that is simply stupid. If you aren't going for easy harass or high percentage kills, that isn't defensive. That's stupid. And if you're all-inning on low percentage kills or going for heavy trades with no clear advantages, that isn't aggressive. That's stupid. If you're looking to improve, you need to actively LOOK for areas where your play is stupid, not seek to justify questionable or lazy decision-making under the lens of convenient terms like "defensive." It's hard to fix a specific mistake if you don't see it as a mistake. I'm not trying to call you out or imply anything - I've never seen you play. I'm asking you to realistically evaluate your own play, for the sake of improvement. Gotta go for now, I'll answer the other parts later.
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