: > [{quoted}](name=Worst JG Wins,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XPgk5MhA,comment-id=001b000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-03T13:47:44.077+0000) > > We can see when posts have been deleted. Only one person has a deleted comment in this thread. You're literally just making shit up. It's not possible for people plural to have said that stuff in this thread. Then it's quite possible that it was said on another thread. "Here" in my initial quote did not mean this thread; it meant the Boards generally and I'm sorry if there was any confusion. The quote was discussed in the modteam servers close to or around the time this thread was created and team discussions happened around it in any case. I am not making this up or lying to anyone. I have no reason to. We *do* hear "fire the mods" on a regular basis and "dock their pay" certainly showed up somewhere on these Boards the other day. For a volunteer team, that kind of hatred can feel bad to hear.
hi, sorry this is not the place for it but i dont use the boards really and i didnt know how to pm or anything. but i wanted to say thank you for looking out for me several weeks ago in my thread about sexism in-game. i stopped checking the thread i made because it was upsetting me and i only went to check it today after people were being sexist to me in a game i just played (for the fourth time since i made that thread). but i saw your comment and just wanted to make sure you knew it was appreciated. i was upset when i made the thread and annoyed i wasnt believed by most. i actually went to the thread just now to show evidence that i was telling the truth but im actually glad it got locked. thank you again.
Verxint (NA)
: ***
what exactly is your relevant addition to my post ABOUT sexism lol? all im saying is that things like summoner names with rape jokes or even MENTIONS shoudl not be allowed, and that women shoudl not be subjected to sexist harassment on a regular basis, just as nonwhite people should not be subjected to racism and LGBT people should not be subjected to homophobia/biphobia/transphobia/etc. but we ARE, and thats where riot needs to step in and punish people a little more strictly. thats my opinion. if you disagree then so be it but i said what i said and i stand by it. what really tipped me over the edge is seeing some guy with a rape joke in his summoner name CONTINUE to play with that summoner name. it's been literally like 5 months and i KNOW riot is faster than that.
Verxint (NA)
: Do you expect the world to never judge you based on how you present yourself? If so I have bad news for you about life.
i dont know how to tell you that women dont deserve to have rape threats thrown at them, period. like i just dont.
: I will keep replying as long as you keep spreading misinformation to fuel your exaggerations. WIKIPEDIA is not a reliable source from which to cite anything. Show me the actual studies, not what the hive mind has cobbled together.
wikipedia not being reliable is a myth, but im seriously not interested in having this discussion with you. like it's so way off topic from my thread and im not going to be forced into this aspect of it just to entertain you when you could easily educate yourself
: Do you not see the issue with your name and how it could be taken?
it shouldnt be an issue, point blank. it's starting to sound like youre excusing the harassment. back when my summoner name was space cube, i would still get harassed. you play nami support enough and people start to suspect youre a girl. back when i was misti, my irl name, i still got harassed on occasion. ive seen people with names like Monica453 or whatever just minding their business still get harassed. i dont care about naughty jokes btw. i get asked if im really wet n wild like every day, it doesnt bother me. im starting to think you're imagining me as rebuking all forms of attention re: my summoner name. i'm strictly talking about people making the assumption im female from my name or what champ/role im playing, etc a mix of things, and then weaponising that by making gendered insults towards me. just to clarity i get more positive attention than negative on league. im not trying to make it sound like every day im fighting off dudes threatening to rape me. BUT any form of rape threat or joke, and kitchen joke or insult, etc like anything that is misogynist in nature should be punished. the thing that really compelled me to make this thread is remembering the summoner names with rape jokes in them not have to be changed when ive seen people be forced to change over things like prostate prodder. like thats bad but rap3myashehole or whatever the fuck it was is fine?
: > [{quoted}](name=wet n wild,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1n3bTqwk,comment-id=000200000003000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-15T03:33:22.698+0000) > > the backlash i got for this thread isn't just for nothing. speak for yourself when you say nobody is implying there's something untruthful about my post. Nope! Reread all 56 comments at the time of this reply. Not a single one said you're lying. All of them are implying you're either out looking for it with that kind of name (which is what causes that assumption) or you're seriously blowing it out of proportion. Both of these again don't refute that it happened in the slightest. > I'm telling people my personal experience in this game and i'm getting hit with disbelief on one and and on the other end shit like "change your summoner name" as if that excuses the harassment. Well yes, if you're going to use that kind of name expect people assuming you're female and using it as a way to harass you. That's not excusing anything that just assholes being assholes. This wouldn't change regardless if you're either gender, people will just use whatever they can pick up on to try and piss you off. If that means calling you a female then using generic terms geared towards that they can and will. > i know riot is supposed to punish this stuff but i see it go unpunished more often than not and thats why i made this thread. like i know theyre SUPPOSED to. it doesnt mean they do a good job. Because it still takes multiple instances of flaming reports to actually get some sort of punishment unless you ticked the option for degratory speech. Besides, even if you did only tick the option for flaming rather then hate speech, the bot picking up on that would be a chat restriction which would be impossible to tell they got.
if it's not excusing it then we agree lol 9_9 i dont think the implication that im asking for it because of a summoner name is appropriate btw, i wish you guys could see that without me having to tell you. if i'm not playing bad and i'm not arguing with people and im randomly harassed in a gendered manner then i still dont deserve it, i stillw asnt asking for it, EVEN if i have the girliest summoner name in the world.
: how do you know it's unpunished? you don't always get notified when a punishment happend and chat restrictions aren't visible from the outside
WRT the rapey summoner names, because i see the summoner names in question unchanged
: Where did i say it excuses them? I said "avoid setting yourself up in the situation".
thats a REALLY slippery slope my guy.
: >and i still think it makes this game unsafe for some people. "unsafe"? excuse me but how? the game has a mute feature and a report option at the end. what more do you need?
making a really bad rape joke or threat can be mentally unhealthy for some of us recovering from assaults. not trying to be like ~ooh triggered~ but actually? yeah.
: i think you should avoid using personal experience anecdotes to prove a point. it makes you look ignorant
but it's relevant to the discussion considering i am one of many who have to put up with this
: > statistics show that over 50% of gamers are girls What statistics? The ones you just made up? Cite your sources.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_video_games you can easily google this and find a myriad numbers and while it ranges it's never overwhelmingly one side or the other. not sure why you keep coming back here to argue with me about stuff like this, youre missing the point. there are probably a lot more girls in your league matches than you realise is all im saying, and it's really inappropriate and should (and IS) punishable to throw gendered insults or jokes at them, but riot misses the mark often.
: > [{quoted}](name=wet n wild,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1n3bTqwk,comment-id=0002000000030000,timestamp=2019-10-14T20:13:21.468+0000) > > bro even if you think i'm completely lying, which is what every person in this thread seems to be implying, not a single person in this thread said youre lying in any way, shape, or form. in fact, most of this thread is saying you're perhaps blowing it out of proportion, which in fact, implies that they arent even refuting it happened. > do you disagree that rape joke summoner names and sexist harassment of other plays is wrong? do you think it should be punished more strictly or not? being that degratory speech is a 14 day ban, i think thats perfectly fine. > why are yall trying to shut the idea of that down? dont believe me, fine. play with me for a week and youll believe me after, but thats not my point. idc if you want to believe me or not. can you at least agree riot needs to punish sexism when it's reported? the thing is, riot DOES punish for this already, and no one is against the idea of it being punished, but if you open yourself up to these kinds of thing by stating/implying one way or another that you're female, assholes are going to be assholes, and use what they have available to attempt to harass you.
the backlash i got for this thread isn't just for nothing. speak for yourself when you say nobody is implying there's something untruthful about my post. i'm telling people my personal experience in this game and i'm getting hit with disbelief on one and and on the other end shit like "change your summoner name" as if that excuses the harassment. i know riot is supposed to punish this stuff but i see it go unpunished more often than not and thats why i made this thread. like i know theyre SUPPOSED to. it doesnt mean they do a good job.
: If you have never mentioned you are a woman then people are acting the same whether they know about a woman in the room or not, thus they are not targeting you in any way. As for the gender ratio, I have only ever talked to about 5 women in game in my 7 years of playing while I've talked to hundreds of men. Also on my friends list with 198 people, there are only 3 women.
no theyre assuming i'm a girl, or theyre assuming other players are girls in the games i play, and directing gendered insults at them. sorry about your friend ratio btw that sounds horrible. about 50% of my friend list which is almost completely full consists of women. statistics show that over 50% of gamers are girls, i dont see why that wouldnt apply to this game considering it's one of the more popular games. eta: maybe you think you havent met many girls because most of them feel compelled to not mention their gender in game, like you said. it doesnt benefit us, clearly.
: > i just think riot doesnt do that often enough for things like rape jokes. The problem here is that there are rules, and the rules are reasonably clear in their definition. Certain things get punished in certain ways, and certain things do not. All you want to do is argue with people, because you haven't provided documentation as to what EXACTLY was said to you. Do you have chat logs? Because what I'm hearing from you is what someone else said filtered through you, and that reduces its accuracy. "Bro, you just got raped under your tower," is not hate speech no matter how you slice it. "You deserved to be raped, you piece of shit woman," **WOULD** be hate speech and deserving of the escalated punishments. But you haven't given us anything except this - > hi, just wondering why riot chooses to ignore blatant sexism, misogynist insults, shutting down of female voices in this game, rape jokes, etc. Which makes this an **outrage post** pure and simple. "ZOMG RITO DOESN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THESE TROVES OF SEXIST MEN." is not going to make people think about your situation and try to provide help - because you haven't provided any information as to what actually happened.
i dont have chat logs for these. they happened weeks ago. but next time it happens i will gladly post chat logs. who said rape jokes are hate speech? i'll be back next time i get threatened and maybe then youll believe me.
: > why are you defending that? Who's defending it? They're assholes, not rapists.
who said they were rapists?
: I get harassed for different things on a daily basis in League. And on these boards. lol Know what? **I don't care.** Let assholes be assholes, nothing I'm going to do will make them stop. I'm sure as hell not going to come here with yet another outrage post about why Rito doesn't do anything about the huge waves of misogynistic pricks **literally** invading the Rift. Want to know why? Because the problem distills down to something far simpler - there are always going to be **assholes** in this game, and in life. Like I said to you before, if people want to insult you, they'll find a way to insult you.
and riot should do a better job disciplining people who take it to an extreme. ive played this game 6-7 years like i said and this is my first post. it's cool that youre not gonna come here and make an "outrage" post but i did. i dont think the solution is to just accept it. people deserve to be punished when they take things too far. i just think riot doesnt do that often enough for things like rape jokes. ive taken a LOT of shit from other players before. but as a society there are some lines we should be better at not crossing. idc if someone wants to call me an idiot or the worst player ever or whatever. insult my family or w/e like go ahead. but being racist, sexist, homophobic, etc isnt justified. i dont see riot punish it enough.
: > if someone says "get raped idiot" after two-shotting the person theyre talking to thats still fucked up. You are seriously diluting your point. While it's in poor taste, this is not someone talking about actual rape. They're using it as a placeholder for "rekt" or something like that. The more you reply, the more this is sounding like a shitpost meant to get things riled up. How about you post the chat logs from the games where you got punished?
because i conceded i had the ban coming and it's not relevant. stop trying to change the subject or tell me im diluting my own fucking post LMAO. it's my post. i made it about sexism. youre the one diluting it. and i dont think telling someone to get raped as a joke is justifiable in any capacity, i know how they mean it and i still think it makes this game unsafe for some people. why are you defending that?
Verxint (NA)
: Considering the only evidence of this is anecdotal claims, I'm willing to bet you're grossly overinterpereting things. Hell the fact that you say "half a dozen men" not "half a dozen people" when the internet is anonymous shows how strange your thought process is.
bro even if you think i'm completely lying, which is what every person in this thread seems to be implying, do you disagree that rape joke summoner names and sexist harassment of other plays is wrong? do you think it should be punished more strictly or not? why are yall trying to shut the idea of that down? dont believe me, fine. play with me for a week and youll believe me after, but thats not my point. idc if you want to believe me or not. can you at least agree riot needs to punish sexism when it's reported?
: Why would they do that? I'm playing the game since 2009 and never ever had I someone in my game saying stuff like "jo I'm a meeeen".
it's usually part of the teasing, ie. kitchen jokes where i'm meant to be there and they're not. i dont get why you guys are arguing these kinds of points with me as if you think im making up the fact that people get harassed for being female in this game. im not even talking about myself half the time, i see other people get harassed and theyre sweet enough to not say anything to the people harassing them but they shouldnt have to deal with that in the first place. cant you agree on at least that?
: Reporting this hopefully it gets taken down soon because you arent supposed to bring religion onto here.
like how hard do you have to miss the point lol? like i could have not even mentioned my chatban and people would still find a way to disagree with me that sexist jokes and rape jokes should be punished. i fully admit that i had the chatban coming, like i sincerely thing the other dude deserved it too but what im saying isnt that i disagree with my ban, i just think riot needs to do a better job protecting people from summoner names like "rap3myashehole" or whatever the fuck i had to report almost a year ago and watch riot do nothing about. can i ask if you disagree that those kind of things should be bannable? because im not seeing you comment at all on my actual issue, youre just trying really hard to make this about my ban when thats not even my issue and it shouldnt be yours either. ETA: also the rules states this: "Do not post or engage in discussions of religion, ethnicity/race, sexual orientation, gender, politics, or real-world social issues." my bringing up gender is relevant to my complaint but i find it VERY telling about your personal values that you ONLY are concerned about the religion part, "chainman3."
: Go change your name if you dont like naughty jokes cuz your name is one.
: "the mud or no fun but it's not funny to see a rape joke in someone's summoner name. it can ruin someone's game." Maybe its in your head. i have names off on my game so it doesnt bother me at all. " i just got chatbanned for the first time ever in my 6-7 years playing this game because some christian guy was telling me to find a relationship with god and i told him to shut up." Dont bring religion onto the boards, and dont be assuming things of others. And this is the entire reason you made the post. If you really think your punishment was unfair post the chat logs of that punishment im sure you said more than "shutup". What trivial things are you referring to? We havent seen your chat logs at all, you couldve been swearing and spamming chat the entire game and we wouldnt know how "trivial" what you did is. And funny how you bring up rape when your name is "wet n wild", where i can say alright you're probably a nami player and look past it, some people wont and im sure if they did it constantly they would get punished, but they dont land in queue with you every game to know.
"And funny how you bring up rape when your name is "wet n wild"," hows thats funny or even relevant lol
: I have to ask how people know you are a woman in a game dominated by men. People don't ever assume someone is a woman in online gaming uless their name is something like Jennifer123. Stop announcing your gender and your "abuse" will stop.
i LITERALLY never mention my gender. riot can go through my entire chat logs and theyre never once going to find me saying anything about being female in a game. also im not sure why you think this game is "dominated" by men, i'm pretty sure the number is a lot closer than overwhelmingly one side or the other. what makes you think it's mostly dudes?
: No, what you did is put your chat ban as "something trivial" than turn around and say they should ban the other things which they already do if the player is constantly reported for it, but again it happens to you every game from a different player maybe but reporting each of them once isnt going to get them all punished. And your name speaks for itself as bait. If you dont want people making naughty jokes towards you, dont use this kind of name. Sure wet can mean nami if you main her but theres no reason for the wild part and even if there is if the jokes bother you this much then you would avoid setting yourself up for the situation.
my name does not excuse rape jokes lol. what the hell is wrong with you? also i change my name like every month and i've been things such as "space cube" and still i get to hear them. they aren't always directed at me and they arent always threats. if someone says "get raped idiot" after two-shotting the person theyre talking to thats still fucked up.
: Because people who want to insult you will insult you. If they know your gender, it will be that. If they know your nationality, it will be that. Low-hanging fruit. If none of those, it will be a generic insult to your intelligence.
right, but are you disagreeing that it should be punished? like, my chatban is not relevant to this discussion barring me stating it happened to highlight the fact that riot DOES clearly utilise their ban functions. i am not disputing my chatban in any way. i am disputing the fact that sexism goes by and large unpunished in this game. if you agree that it should be punished then i'm not sure why you want to argue.
Myrmiron (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=wet n wild,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=1n3bTqwk,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-10-14T10:32:00.876+0000) > > but the fact that it happens after watching half a dozen **men** get away with actually horrible things makes no sense to me. \>assuming someone's gender in 2019
if they tell me theyre men then am i supposed to not believe them or what? im genuinely not assuming anything
Eedat (NA)
: I'm saying I've never seen one
does that matter in this thread? another genuine question. what does it serve to state here?
: > do you care about women? Look at that adorable attempt to bait me. I don't give two shits about anyone's gender, skin color, sexual orientation, or any of that. I'm here to play a video game, you're here to push an agenda. Here's what I care about when in a game with others - are they assholes or not?
quite an accusation. im just here trying to understand why i as a woman have to consistently put up with negativity geared towards my gender. my chat ban has literally NOTHING to do with my complaint. please take note of that and cease the baiting, thank you.
Eedat (NA)
: Been on NA since season 3. Never seen a rape joke or threat. Outside maybe 'I'm gonna fuck your mom'
are you saying im lying then? genuine question cause idk why you would even say this otherwise.
: That clickbait title delfecting the fact that **you** got a chat restriction.
it's an issue ive had for literally months. i don't care that i got chatbanned, it makes no difference to me - i play mostly arams. but the fact that it happens after watching half a dozen men get away with actually horrible things makes no sense to me. that's why i concluded with the notion that riot might want to clean up their staffing. obviously some people who genuinely - this is not debatable, rape jokes SHOULD be disciplined - deserve to be punished are not. don't try to start drama when youre deflecting from my actual issue. if i had no conceded i got chatbanned for a few games, would you have cared about the rape threats against me? the sexist jokes? do you care about women?
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