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: I'm pretty sure they are doing that already. It's not like they just program a champion and throw it in the Rift. No matter what Riot's reputation on their QA may be.
> [{quoted}](name=Ayanami3rd,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4nOOar4d,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-06T16:35:15.256+0000) > > I'm pretty sure they are doing that already. It's not like they just program a champion and throw it in the Rift. No matter what Riot's reputation on their QA may be. **I am not talking about some random riot tester, i am talking about the developer themselves because in the end it's their creation they should take responsibility for it.**
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: > [{quoted}](name=whycantibethree,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HEbEH6FP,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-03-10T17:54:57.290+0000) > > pantheon has hard counters, rumble being the main one. > > i don't think quinn has any atleast that i can think of. Pantheon vs rumble is debatable. If pantheon can stun stun rumble during overheat, then rumble gets down pretty hard. On the other hand, rumble will just bully him in farm. Its even till a bit of lead
> [{quoted}](name=Red Sky Grishka,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HEbEH6FP,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-03-10T17:56:11.881+0000) > > Pantheon vs rumble is debatable. If pantheon can stun stun rumble during overheat, then rumble gets down pretty hard. On the other hand, rumble will just bully him in farm. Its even till a bit of lead not if the rumble isnt completely terrible. it requires rumble to play really greedy and poorly for him to go even or lose.
: Quinncer and PantheAIDS come to mind.
> [{quoted}](name=SaltyKracka,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HEbEH6FP,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-03-10T17:49:39.300+0000) > > Quinncer and PantheAIDS come to mind. pantheon has hard counters, rumble being the main one. i don't think quinn has any atleast that i can think of.
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Joxcab (NA)
: > you can't dodge the barrels I didn't realize a barrel covered the entire map in AoE.
> [{quoted}](name=Joxcab,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E7ocTFOo,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-04T17:17:09.789+0000) > > I didn't realize a barrel covered the entire map in AoE. they are faster than your ability to move 90% of the time and do have a relatively large AOE for an ability that is spammable. Not to mention his ult slows you. Yeah you can flash out of them if you are fast enough but i dont want to have to waste a 5 minute cooldown just to not take 70% health from a move he can do again in 10 seconds. Hes basically a poke champion that can easily fuck you up if you get into melee with him and has the ability to break CC so it's even harder to catch him out. This was fine when his only poke was a targeted ability with ADC AA range. It's a bit different when its in a huge aoe and ignores armor, and isn't easily dodgeable if the GP isn't bad. What they need to do is limit the amount of barrels you can have, take away the ability for enemies to auto them, and make it impossible to place barrels as the explosion is occuring. Make it more of a zoning mechanism or defensive rather than blowing someone up who's not even near you and can't realisticly stop you from doing it.
B00B00 (EUW)
: so, why exactly are they not balanced and not fun? it would be nice to get some context as to why you think this.
> [{quoted}](name=GunsIinger,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=E7ocTFOo,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-03-03T07:02:37.602+0000) > > so, why exactly are they not balanced and not fun? it would be nice to get some context as to why you think this. you can't dodge the barrels and they go through a lot of your armor so you can't even itemize against them. Its not fun having a matchup thats entirely based around how fast your auto attack is, because if you choose before him and god forbid play someone who riot decided to give a slower AA animation you will never hit the barrels before he does, and thats assuming he is a terrible gp and doesn't place the barrels as they are exploding. You can't stop him from farming either because of his q, and the fact that he gets extra gold basically means you can't really shut him down just slow him down. I'd seriously like someone to explain how its fun having a champion that can't be shut down, is a hyper carry and has undodgeable abilities if they know how to play him correctly. Unless you are playing against a shitter who doesn't understand that they can place the barrels as they explode they are actually undodgeable. Especially if it comes from a bush. Basically imagine if xerath's q gave him movement speed instead of took it away and ignored 30% of MR and did 1.5x the damage, and made it so if you get within melee range you take 200+ true damage.
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Thr34t (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=whycantibethree,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ndNeKjjk,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-02-23T03:02:56.610+0000) > > im aware that pantheon is a broken champion early, but her being able to fight you post 6 means he not really a counter. Im talking about someone who at all points in the game can shit on riven. > > Also if the riven is smart and max's e its basically just a farmfest with you getting slightly more cs until she can all in you. Wouldn't matter if she maxed E. CD Has 10 9 8 7 6 CD based on level. Panth's has a flat 4 seconds. At all points Panth can just poke her down with the Q. If he plays correctly he can 100% zone her from the farm. If Riven has no farm then she can't kill you if she all ins you at level 6. If an under farmed riven can kill you as pantheon then you don't need to look for hard counters to riven, you need to look up guides on how to play league.
> [{quoted}](name=Thr34t,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ndNeKjjk,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-02-23T03:06:07.395+0000) > > Wouldn't matter if she maxed E. CD Has 10 9 8 7 6 CD based on level. Panth's has a flat 4 seconds. At all points Panth can just poke her down with the Q. If he plays correctly he can 100% zone her from the farm. If Riven has no farm then she can't kill you if she all ins you at level 6. If an under farmed riven can kill you as pantheon then you don't need to look for hard counters to riven, you need to look up guides on how to play league. thast what i said, you would get a 10-30 cs lead. But thats really not that big considering she can still all in you from behind.
Thr34t (NA)
: Pantheon pre 6. His Q CD is shorter than Riven's E, so you can just keep chucking spears and slowly poke her down. Post 6 she can just all in you but if you are far enough ahead and play smart it isn't much of an issue.
> [{quoted}](name=Thr34t,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ndNeKjjk,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-02-23T02:57:35.255+0000) > > Pantheon pre 6. His Q CD is shorter than Riven's E, so you can just keep chucking spears and slowly poke her down. Post 6 she can just all in you but if you are far enough ahead and play smart it isn't much of an issue. im aware that pantheon is a broken champion early, but her being able to fight you post 6 means he not really a counter. Im talking about someone who at all points in the game can shit on riven. Also if the riven is smart and max's e its basically just a farmfest with you getting slightly more cs until she can all in you.
: {{champion:86}}
> [{quoted}](name=Queen Incest,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ndNeKjjk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-02-23T02:55:58.972+0000) > > {{champion:86}} not if the riven isn't complete garbage tier.
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: Just gonna pop in and say that Jhin does suffer for his utility. He has garbage objective control, low auto speed means he can't duel other ADCs, and in this day and age simple movement speed does not count as mobility. Otherwise we can say Garen is mobile becuase of his Q. As for the meta... Have you noticed the number of tank metas since Jhin's release? None. The game has slowly gotten more bursty, which equals squishier champs that deal burst, which means that Jhin can kill them easily with peel. Can you imagine how Jhin would fare in a tank meta? He'd cry having to deal with super tanky champs that take several reloads to kill. As for not suffering enough, it's all subjective. Ashe can pressure objectives like nobody's business.
> [{quoted}](name=TyrekGoldenspear,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=60JsqMF1,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-02-17T00:49:39.427+0000) > > Just gonna pop in and say that Jhin does suffer for his utility. > > He has garbage objective control, low auto speed means he can't duel other ADCs, and in this day and age simple movement speed does not count as mobility. Otherwise we can say Garen is mobile becuase of his Q. > > As for the meta... Have you noticed the number of tank metas since Jhin's release? > > None. The game has slowly gotten more bursty, which equals squishier champs that deal burst, which means that Jhin can kill them easily with peel. > > Can you imagine how Jhin would fare in a tank meta? He'd cry having to deal with super tanky champs that take several reloads to kill. > > As for not suffering enough, it's all subjective. Ashe can pressure objectives like nobody's business. does garbage objective control mean being able to preemptively place traps and having a 4th auto that does more damage than smite?
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: I dont like being forced to play counter picks
An example of why this is a problem with certain champions as opposed to all. Singed counters illaoi for two reasons. 1. his damage doesn't require him to sit still so he can dodge tentacles while still doing damage 2. His poison triggers illaoi's e very quickly which makes it hard for her to do the full damage to him. However illaoi can still lane against singed and cs and try to play the game against him. She's just not that great against him. It's hard for her to all in him, but as long as she plays smart it's possible for her to outplay him and possible for her to contribute to the game. Now compare this to sion vs fiora or yasuo. In order for sion to be able to do ANYTHING they have to fuck up severely. Yasuo has to dash into his q, fiora has to dash into his q and miss her e. Even if i land my e on them every time it's off cooldown it wouldn't matter because i have no way to follow up unless they make a mistake. Sion as far as i can tell is mean't to be a lane bully who is very tank and damage falls off late game. Why then is he countered by actual hypercarries at the beginning of the game? It's not just him that this happens to either its a wide variety of champions that are soft or hard countered by late game oriented champions who have kits that simply make it so its impossible to "outplay" them.
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Trick2G69 (EUNE)
: I Actualy Liked The 25 Ranked Ban.
> [{quoted}](name=Trick2G69,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=RsAngtQo,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-02-01T23:25:22.475+0000) > > i actualy liked that old system that banned toxic players from ranked games until they win 25 normal drafts.I think riot should add something like that in the game in between 14 day ban and a permaban,like having to win 100 normal games,it would be like a mini 20 level account challenge and it would show if people cared enough for their account,for someone with 10 accounts that doesnt give a damn its just like a perma ban,for a consistent player its a wake up call.i would love some feedback. and then if they rage in normals draft they have to play 100 3v3 games.
Prandine (NA)
: Riot is trying but they can only do so much on their own. The people who frequently leave/afk are hit by Leaverbuster and placed in the Low Priority Queue (source: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752714-LeaverBuster-FAQ), but players can also report them for leaving/afking and get them punished that way. Could Riot do more to combat this issue? Yes. Should they? Yes. Should the community help combat this issue by not becoming leavers/afkers themselves and reporting the ones that are? Yes.
> [{quoted}](name=Prandine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HUvmFsT7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-01-27T21:34:12.418+0000) > > Riot is trying but they can only do so much on their own. The people who frequently leave/afk are hit by Leaverbuster and placed in the Low Priority Queue (source: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752714-LeaverBuster-FAQ), but players can also report them for leaving/afking and get them punished that way. Could Riot do more to combat this issue? Yes. Should they? Yes. Should the community help combat this issue by not becoming leavers/afkers themselves and reporting the ones that are? Yes. ok what's your point? Riot is the only group in this situation who can have a meaningful effect. Instead of putting them in low priority que ban them for a week and make adjustments for when there are known bugs that cause the game to crash and such. It doesn't matter how many people get reported if riot does little to nothing with the information.
: Riot can't force people to play the game or not rage.
> [{quoted}](name=The Big Piece,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HUvmFsT7,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-27T21:16:18.631+0000) > > Riot can't force people to play the game or not rage. no but they can ban people who do it more frequently. The fact that i am seeing so many of them tells me that either im getting insanely unlcuky which i doubt, or that riot gives people who afk/rage a slap on the wrist. With all their focus on "people said mean words to someone and thats a super big deal" it tells me they don't really give a shit about afk's and would rather let an automated system that probably doesn't work that well take care of it. I would like to see if you afk/ragequit a game you are banned for a day, and more than 3 times in a month you are banned for a month.
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R7 Factor (EUW)
: When it comes to balancing champions
depends on your balance goals. Winrate is more of an issue at higher levels of play. Popularity can also be an issue if it's completely skewed to the point where there aren't enough viable options and games are more or less won at the pick/ban phase. I don't think this happens that often with exception to when big patches that buff multiple champs a lot happen. I would say for compeititve it's more about winrate for casual players it's more about play rate.
: Nunu buff/rework?
just stick to clearing the 4 camps with the least monsters.
: some people legit forget or are taking a shit or something dood and if you dodge theres a 5 min wait time
> [{quoted}](name=koreansmurf8751,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=i2zyxT8q,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-12-05T20:42:55.556+0000) > > some people legit forget or are taking a shit or something dood > > and if you dodge theres a 5 min wait time and? not my problem they shouldve been paying attention. This will 100% fix the problem because people will realize they wont be able to play for 30 minutes if they aren't paying attention so they will pay more attention. If you are bitching about que times and don't agree with this you are delusional. People are dodging because of autofill but without autofill the times would be just as long because it would take longer to match up. The only difference being is you wouldn't be wasting time in champ select when people just dodge. Increasing the time you have to wait after a dodge would incentivize people to not dodge and just deal with the fact that they got autofill. Also im not talking about missing the accept button when something comes up, im talking about things that take you from champ select back to matchmaking.
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boo910 (NA)
: i main ww to an extent, and hes far from worthless his q chunks and heals you his w makes it so ur entire team has at speed buff his e reveals low health targets and his ult supresses for me at my lv, he good, and pretty fun
> [{quoted}](name=boo910,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ybtm3Rxt,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-12-03T19:49:35.485+0000) > > i main ww to an extent, and hes far from worthless > > his q chunks and heals you > > his w makes it so ur entire team has at speed buff > > his e reveals low health targets > > and his ult supresses > > for me at my lv, he good, and pretty fun hes very very bad compared to last patch. His ult literally lost hundreds of damage depending on your level and his autos are weaker as well. Blade just got buffed so we will see if that helps at all.
Cocho (NA)
: Its gonna be a long wait for the rework, but one day
> [{quoted}](name=You Kat See Me,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ybtm3Rxt,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-12-03T19:29:40.898+0000) > > Its gonna be a long wait for the rework, but one day supposedly hes next in line for a rework but im not holding my breath
: "what is bottlenecking" What the bigger implication actually is...
People are just too stupid to realize you can get almost as much AP on some supports with the blue support item as you can from farming mid at lower levels. I don't really see whats so different from playing support karma/velkoz/brand rather than mid of those champs.
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: He is getting an entire rework soon.
> [{quoted}](name=Pexagon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yEWME0UH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-11-16T21:40:44.944+0000) > > He is getting an entire rework soon. they said he was getting a rework over a year ago. Considering they just "reworked" like 10 champions i see no reason to think it will happen to him specifically any time soon.
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: It's really not that much early game. I highly doubt it will do more for him than current Fervor does.
> [{quoted}](name=DunkinNoobs,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uH4Krers,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2016-11-04T04:10:36.481+0000) > > It's really not that much early game. I highly doubt it will do more for him than current Fervor does. Again its not about that. Its about what does he and everyone else on that list get relative to what other people get. IF both him and caitlyn get this mastery he will be able to abuse it way more than she can. This only makes him stronger in an area where he is already strong. Same with literally every other champion on that list. Pantheon gets e at level 3 and it has a 300% bonus AD ratio. This change effectively gives him an extra 60 damage on his all in just with his e at level 3. I'm telling you anyone who is an AD caster is going to be broken as fuck if this change goes through.
Kadajkox (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=whycantibethree,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uH4Krers,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-11-04T03:34:40.924+0000) > > Not what im saying. Read the entire post. The damage on fervor probably is entirely too high but that is not the point, you could easily nerf the on hit damage without changing it to AD. What im saying that relative to everyone else it will be extremely broken because he benefits so much from early game extra AD. 10 extra AD after 10 auto attacks on an enemy champion, much broken wow.
> [{quoted}](name=Kadajkox,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uH4Krers,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-04T03:37:44.606+0000) > > 10 extra AD after 10 auto attacks on an enemy champion, much broken wow. 10 AD at level one is an entire rune page of AD. At level 3 which is when it gets to 2 AD per stack and lucian can stack taht way faster than any other ADC. Hes already a lane bully and they are effectively giving him a 10ish AD advantage at level 3.
: It'll be worse on Lucian than it is now. 224 damage every passive proc late game was broken and it'll do nowhere near that much damage now.
> [{quoted}](name=DunkinNoobs,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uH4Krers,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-11-04T03:31:44.817+0000) > > It'll be worse on Lucian than it is now. 224 damage every passive proc late game was broken and it'll do nowhere near that much damage now. Not what im saying. Read the entire post. The damage on fervor probably is entirely too high but that is not the point, you could easily nerf the on hit damage without changing it to AD. What im saying that relative to everyone else it will be extremely broken because he benefits so much from early game extra AD.
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: azir is already trash , 42.4% winrate.
> [{quoted}](name=Freetyler1ritoo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uIPQ1Jvw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-10-23T01:03:22.522+0000) > > azir is already trash , 42.4% winrate. I agree, im saying he should stay trash.
: Ekko is the only one I agree with. The champ who really needs to be nerfed to unplayability is ww. I was going 11/1/6 as yas the other day, had just finished core and boots, and he was barely going even... his ult oneshotted me, or maybe it was the ult and one auto... idk, but it should not happen. Thank god he is getting a rework.
> [{quoted}](name=JhomasTefferson,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uIPQ1Jvw,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-10-23T01:33:47.405+0000) > > Ekko is the only one I agree with. > > The champ who really needs to be nerfed to unplayability is ww. I was going 11/1/6 as yas the other day, had just finished core and boots, and he was barely going even... his ult oneshotted me, or maybe it was the ult and one auto... idk, but it should not happen. Thank god he is getting a rework. ww has 1 hard cc ability tied to his ult and his only real mobility is tied to his ult. he does a lot of damage and is very tanky to compensate.
: By your standards, GP doesn't have enough CC or mobility to make the list. Your 'list' contradicts itself due to the honorable mentions alone. __________ Also, Yasuo not up there? He's one of the most-despised. You also don't have Panth up there.
> [{quoted}](name=WoonStruck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uIPQ1Jvw,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-10-23T01:06:17.593+0000) > > By your standards, GP doesn't have enough CC or mobility to make the list. > > Your 'list' contradicts itself due to the honorable mentions alone. > > __________ > > Also, Yasuo not up there? He's one of the most-despised. > > You also don't have Panth up there. yasuo was on there idk how eh got off. panth doesnt have enough cc or mobility and gp has an aoe 80% slow and another global slow. He has a massive speedup and ability to escape cc as well.
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: "But I have to be the carry. I can't trust these scrubs on my team"
> [{quoted}](name=EndlessSorcerer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=79VzjN5Q,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-09-22T14:24:52.005+0000) > > "But I have to be the carry. I can't trust these scrubs on my team" thats basically the number one reason. I usually don't do waht OP was talking about but found myself doing it in a few ranked games and didn't realize until after. It's cause i usually do well on the champion so i die once thinking i can bring it back, then i couldn't and it ended poorly.
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