: Wukong is sick of the counters in lane
Playing Wukong can be very rewarding after building a couple items and roaming, but it can be very difficult to get through the earlier laning phase without falling behind. I would suggest looking up videos and tutorials of how to freeze your lane just before your turret. Mastering that tactic will keep the enemy laner in a perfect position for ganks and put you within the safety of your turret. You cannot control what your jungler decides to do, but at least you can do your best to make a favorable situation for yourself. Good luck!
RengClaw (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=xX aZ3R0n Xx,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gb2cFXIQ,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-24T21:15:51.309+0000) > > 100% disagree with you there, bro. > > I love taking a break from mid lane to reset my autofill protection, and it's because I absolutely love playing a good support match. When I play support, I am no one's bitch, I try to outdamage the adc while still building wards and utility. I've had my fair share of sick Teemo and Morgana support matches, and even playing enchanters and tanks I find it very fulfilling to set up plays for the rest of my team to engage on. > > Being support does not make you a bitch or a slave. Go into it with the same 1v9 mentality of any other solo queue match, /mute all, and kick ass. No one said you have to stick with your adc, go and roam a bit and get your mid and top laners ahead. > > tl;dr if you hate support so much you're probably doing it wrong. I usualy get play this sup or report when I want to teemo sup and then they ban teemo to force me to use a different one on my other accs what I did on my latest account is I DONT BUY any support so the jokes on them when they ban my only support and an annoying thing I find is these dam yasuo adc wanting me to choose a champ with a knockup and he does not want to have teemo sup so he bans it I respond by banning yas
> [{quoted}](name=RengClaw,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gb2cFXIQ,comment-id=00070000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-25T16:13:07.454+0000) > > I usualy get play this sup or report when I want to teemo sup and then they ban teemo to force me to use a different one on my other accs what I did on my latest account is I DONT BUY any support so the jokes on them when they ban my only support and an annoying thing I find is these dam yasuo adc wanting me to choose a champ with a knockup and he does not want to have teemo sup so he bans it I respond by banning yas Try this: Don't hover the champion you want to play during the pick/ban phase. When they say "Play Alistar" or "Play a tank" or "Play Janna or Soraka" then just ignore them and don't say anything. When they accuse you of trolling, ignore them. When they flame you, mute them. When they spam pings and emotes, mute those too. As long as you are playing to win and not trolling the team and allowing your adc to cs then you're fine. They can report you all they want, but if your chat log is empty and you didn't troll then the reports do absolutely nothing. Some of the most satisfying games I've played as support are the ones where the adc I muted during the match is raging and ranting in the post-game lobby because they got carried by their support, even though they got their own cs and kills.
RengClaw (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=xX aZ3R0n Xx,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gb2cFXIQ,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-06-12T22:44:41.828+0000) > > Sure, playing an off-meta champion or a champion in an off-meta role is one thing if you intend to win. > A duo picking TF jungle and Zed support and then griefing the team in champ select and continuing to grief throughout the match is trolling. I would rather duo mid duo jg duo top than sup I play to have fun and playing support is the most UNFUN role u can play playing support means your the bitch of the team playing support means your the SLAVE of the team PLaying support means if the game is a loss its 100% your fault even if ure adc goes 10-2 and top lane goes 0-15-1 its still your fault your team lost playing support means your not allowed to have fun because if you don't play soraka janna lulu you must be trollin
> [{quoted}](name=RengClaw,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gb2cFXIQ,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2018-06-24T04:42:44.328+0000) > > I would rather duo mid duo jg duo top than sup I play to have fun and playing support is the most UNFUN role u can play > playing support means your the bitch of the team > playing support means your the SLAVE of the team > PLaying support means if the game is a loss its 100% your fault even if ure adc goes 10-2 and top lane goes 0-15-1 its still your fault your team lost > playing support means your not allowed to have fun because if you don't play soraka janna lulu you must be trollin 100% disagree with you there, bro. I love taking a break from mid lane to reset my autofill protection, and it's because I absolutely love playing a good support match. When I play support, I am no one's bitch, I try to outdamage the adc while still building wards and utility. I've had my fair share of sick Teemo and Morgana support matches, and even playing enchanters and tanks I find it very fulfilling to set up plays for the rest of my team to engage on. Being support does not make you a bitch or a slave. Go into it with the same 1v9 mentality of any other solo queue match, /mute all, and kick ass. No one said you have to stick with your adc, go and roam a bit and get your mid and top laners ahead. tl;dr if you hate support so much you're probably doing it wrong.
: people have the mind set if your not playing meta you must be trolling and go OMG REPORT REPORT REPORT THEY NOT PLAYING META REPORT REPORT REPORT
> [{quoted}](name=Shroom Merchant,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gb2cFXIQ,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-06-03T23:16:48.146+0000) > > people have the mind set if your not playing meta you must be trolling and go OMG REPORT REPORT REPORT THEY NOT PLAYING META REPORT REPORT REPORT Sure, playing an off-meta champion or a champion in an off-meta role is one thing if you intend to win. A duo picking TF jungle and Zed support and then griefing the team in champ select and continuing to grief throughout the match is trolling.
: 6 item 2.5k hp yi runs at team with morgana black shield
Land a lucky {{champion:6}} R and burst him down low enough to execute.
Chermorg (NA)
: As someone else said, I think we'll see you back here "not complaining" about your 25 game chat restriction... then your 14 day ban... then your permanent ban. Keep in mind that once an account escalates through the punishments to a permanent ban, there is no "second chance". The content on the account (the level, any loot, any BE/RP, any skins/champs owned) is not transferable and you'd have to start *all over* if you wished to keep playing.
> [{quoted}](name=Chermorg,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gb2cFXIQ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-05-30T03:37:00.508+0000) > > As someone else said, I think we'll see you back here "not complaining" about your 25 game chat restriction... then your 14 day ban... then your permanent ban. > > Keep in mind that once an account escalates through the punishments to a permanent ban, there is no "second chance". The content on the account (the level, any loot, any BE/RP, any skins/champs owned) is not transferable and you'd have to start *all over* if you wished to keep playing. I am very aware of this. I'm not an oldschool veteran, but I have been playing since s5 and am very aware of how the IFS works. In the past 3 years, this is only the second penalty against my account for in-game behavior. Believe me, I am not going to be banned unless I wanted to be. My behavior in the two matches I was penalized for was very much intentional, and I have zero regrets. I didn't come here for support or to gain popular opinion; I simply want to let the snowflakes, fuckboys, cry babies, and players that simply need to uninstall and play Fruit Ninja because they will never ever be good at a PvP based game all know that teaming up on their carry and reporting them to make them feel better still won't make them good. It won't make them feel better about themselves. It won't help them learn game strategy. It won't make them a better person. If people don't want to get flamed then they shouldn't do flamable things. Otherwise, they can always hit the mute buttons.
: thats not the best attitude we'll see you next week with a QQ i got perma banned post wont we?
> [{quoted}](name=Rysophage,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gb2cFXIQ,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-05-30T12:49:26.058+0000) > > thats not the best attitude we'll see you next week with a QQ i got perma banned post wont we? Doubtful.
: as much as I agree with telling people your reporting should not count as harassment and askin for reports but they have policys set in stone and alls that does is if they are having a bad game just makes them feel worse about having a bad game I am very anti sjw and this just falls under common sense because you using the reporting system to be a bully
> [{quoted}](name=Shroom Merchant,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Gb2cFXIQ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-30T02:03:00.620+0000) > > as much as I agree with telling people your reporting should not count as harassment and askin for reports but they have policys set in stone and alls that does is if they are having a bad game just makes them feel worse about having a bad game I am very anti sjw and this just falls under common sense because you using the reporting system to be a bully A duo playing Zed support and Twisted Fate jungle who only intend to troll the match are much more harmful than a teammate telling them they are going to be reported for their actions.
Rioter Comments
Catalin10GG (EUNE)
: Pyke’s mask
My two cents: His bandana needs more detail and he needs more vocal interactions with other champions.
: {{champion:223}} "My, what a distinctly violet flavor."
> [{quoted}](name=Baron of Bread,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=lsvodZb2,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-04-20T08:23:24.750+0000) > > {{champion:223}} "My, what a distinctly violet flavor." I read this in Tahm's voice
nm1010 (NA)
: Now that I've been playing Talon again
And here I was thinking I was doing something wrong or was just bad with Talon even though I have level 7 mastery. I've literally junped in place or have otherwise landed on the same side of certain terrain which has wasted time, caused my death, or made me miss a kill or team fight.
Rioter Comments
Quinzley (EUNE)
: That's not a bad idea,but it would require alot of work from Riots side.
> [{quoted}](name=Quinzley,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EIEIVo2J,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-22T22:44:25.329+0000) > > That's not a bad idea,but it would require alot of work from Riots side. That's kind of the point considering the price of an Ultimate skin.
Rioter Comments
: Remember; Playing off-meta is NOT grounds for Reporting.
> [{quoted}](name=CPU Lyrica,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PqLeuxzJ,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-03-22T02:07:17.118+0000) > > League of legends is a game! we're here to have fun. So, do what is fun for you. This attitude goes against the [Summoner's Code](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/), which is why troll off-meta picks ARE punishable. The first section of the Code says to support your team. Playing certain champions in certain roles are detrimental to your team, such as playing certain enchanter champions in the jungle where they will fall very behind in levels and farm. The fourth section of the Code says to have fun, but NOT at the expense of others. Certain off-meta picks are fun, but when it gives your team a tremendous disadvantage you are having fun at the expense of your teammates. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
: 14 Day Suspension over 1 game?
You were report calling throughout the match and putting a teammate down for their negative KDA and accusing them of feeding. It is likely you had other penalties which now resulted in a more severe penalty.
Rioter Comments
: Obviously everyone is going to build her with {{item:3089}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3041}} {{item:3003}} or {{item:3812}} {{item:3812}} {{item:3031}} {{item:3046}} {{item:3085}} {{item:3508}}, while having at the same time 3 infernal drakes. Duh. Also, this is PBE, everything is WIP. Be credible if you want to have a point at least. > [{quoted}](name=xX aZ3R0n Xx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vNEURljE,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-02-20T23:37:31.861+0000) > > {{champion:142}} > > Edit: ~~We were right.~~ **I am wrong**. FTFY
> [{quoted}](name=Santozed,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vNEURljE,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2018-02-22T19:28:02.511+0000) > > Obviously everyone is going to build her with {{item:3089}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3041}} {{item:3003}} > or {{item:3812}} {{item:3812}} {{item:3031}} {{item:3046}} {{item:3085}} {{item:3508}}, while having at the same time 3 infernal drakes. Duh. > > Also, this is PBE, everything is WIP. > > Be credible if you want to have a point at least. > > FTFY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMXFphr3BV8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amr4KFnyAIs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEMnwwewkhg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m6uig4qTJ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLoKK8M1sxg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwjA0LWpbJ0
: People like to bitch preemptively, then also wonder why they're not taken seriously.
> [{quoted}](name=RenownedWheat42,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vNEURljE,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-02-20T23:39:47.960+0000) > > People like to bitch preemptively, then also wonder why they're not taken seriously. https://youtu.be/wAZB8SCaYaY
: She isn't even out on the PBE. This is ridiculous at this point
> [{quoted}](name=Santozed,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vNEURljE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-20T23:39:14.888+0000) > > She isn't even out on the PBE. > > This is ridiculous at this point https://youtu.be/wAZB8SCaYaY
Rioter Comments
: Kai'Sa isn't even on PBE yet and all of the QQ here is unreal
Remember when {{champion:142}} was revealed and we were all DAWWWWW SHE'S SO DISNEY until we saw how much damage she does on super short cooldowns? Yeah, kinda hard to trust Riot with making a new assassin after that mess.
: https://youtu.be/if7efGvoEVs Riot's balancing team unsarcastically deserves to be lose their jobs.
> [{quoted}](name=Trollmanship,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NYEmTiZ3,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-02-15T14:38:57.060+0000) > > https://youtu.be/if7efGvoEVs > > Riot's balancing team unsarcastically deserves to be lose their jobs. This video needs attention. Nunu + Cosmic Insight + Ingenious Hunter + 45% CDR + Banner of Command + Baron Buff + Blood Boil on empowered cannon minion = GG
: Im Defeated and Done with LoL. It's Not Fun Anymore
I sent a support ticket in at the beginning of this month and requested my account be temporarily deactivated. They put my game account in stasis and I can have it reactivated anytime I would like. Once Riot fixes this mess of a game and decides to use better marketing and sales strategies I'll be back, but not a moment before then. However, at least I still get to post my unpopular, negative opinions on the boards!
Rioter Comments
: What would you do if you were king of the world for 2018
* Do away with the three branches of government in the USA and make Donald Trump the Supreme Lord Dictator Overlord Emperor of the Republic of America (no more 50 states lul) * Give the Palestinians their country back and give a portion of Russia to the Jews as their new Israel * Make Kekistan a real, physical country * BRING BACK OLD URF WITH A 10-BAN SYSTEM * Make sterilization surgeries free for anyone that wants them in order to reduce the amount of bastard children being born every year * Break open Prophet Muhammad's grave to see whether his body really didn't decay like he told the early Muslims it wouldn't * Disallow the NFL from airing unless they impose penalties for those who use their airtime to protest * Build a 100 foot wall all the way around the American mainland, and erect heavily fortified barriers and towers in the sea * Remove Kim Jong Un from power and unite the North and South Koreas * Focus all human efforts on making an expedition to Mars possible with the intent to terraform * Have a palace built for me on the moon, with my own special gaming room that somehow has lightning fast connection to Earth * Have a harem of six hundred and sixty four women in said moon mansion
: Read the ask riot they explain why they can’t
You believe that baloney? lul
Rioter Comments
: ARURF Isn't Fun
Just add the 10-ban system to champion select before picking blindly. Problem solved #BringBackURF
Jo0o (NA)
: I think that's already how they treat it.
And yet there are players that tell me "lol whatever man. Go ahead and report it, nothing will happen."
Rioter Comments
: Skin Rerolls are HIGHLY weighted (No 1350 skins, data inside)
The more that's coming out with Riot's sales and marketing ethics since the release of preseason the more I'm considering uninstalling League and taking a break for a while. That's probably the best way to let Riot know we're not happy: Less RP purchases and less game hours played across the board. We'll see if that makes them reconsider all of the slimy things they've being doing lately.
MCNT052 (OCE)
: But that means I need to talk to other people I don't know **_Internal screaming_**
http://cdn.edgecast.steamstatic.com/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/44/44a1e13d5fafbf65f9e5bacaed117dc13fb0ff61_full.jpg
Dr Mercy (NA)
: If I don't like your attitude, I'm not going to surrender. If you're acting like how you are now, than I'm most certainly not going to surrender. Edit: Good to be back Boards. Edit 2: I mean like really, are people really defending this type of behavior? Calling other players "Fucking idiots" because they want to play the game? The dude's selfish, he doesn't care about how others feel about the game, he only cares about how he is enjoying the game. Like Anagram said, one person can't stop a surrender vote. Obviously people feel the game is worth playing.
> [{quoted}](name=Dr Mercy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=89sVa1b0,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-12-26T04:12:08.459+0000) > > If I don't like your attitude, I'm not going to surrender. Thanks for proving the OP's point.
: > [{quoted}](name=xX aZ3R0n Xx,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NF1NB6yE,comment-id=000400030000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-25T19:57:19.556+0000) > > Apparently, you aren't capable of simple logic, so let me help you. > > Before preseason, I was able to farm enough mastery chests so that I did not need to drop RP or IP to get enough BE to upgrade champion mastery. Therefore, I was able to have plentiful BE and OE while still earning enough IP to buy champions without spending RP on them. This way, I was able to spend my RP on skins, bundles, mission passes, etc. > > Post preseason, BE and IP have been combined, the disenchant value for blue shards has been decreased, and the cost to upgrade mastery has been multiplied 6.5 times. The disenchant value for blue shards has only increased, unless you want to tell me 87-325 BE is more then 90-1260 > > **WE CAN NO LONGER FARM ENOUGH BE/IP IN ORDER TO BOTH UPGRADE MASTERIES WHILE ALSO UNLOCKING CHAMPIONS FOR FREE.** Yes you fucking can. New champions come out every 2-2.5 months. You can get halfway to a new champion via ONLY FWotD's blue essence in that time. You'd at most require 4 levels with that to stay caught up, which the FWotD's bonus experience will more then allow you to get. > > Combining the currencies, nerfing the disenchant values, and increasing the upgrade costs are all a ruse to make it so *less* players will be able to farm all the available content for free. You don't happen to understand how IP/BE works, do you? Disenchant values are up so total IP/BE is about the same. Upgrade cost is equal to the old upgrade cost it had in the IP system. Also, people who want all available free content are much better off because any champion shard they want a champion for is worth 2x as much BE. People who want every champion are actually better off on this system. > > tl;dr Riot is trying to get players like me to drop RP on things I didn't have to drop RP on before. > > also tl;dr You are WRONG, I do not earn enough BE to **both** unlock masteries **AND** champions at the same time. If you earn more then 6300 BE in 2 months you actually do. The only way you do not earn that much is if you barely play to begin with, but in that case you don't need to worry about mastery or champions.
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NF1NB6yE,comment-id=0004000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-25T20:20:09.957+0000) > > The disenchant value for blue shards has only increased, unless you want to tell me 87-325 BE is more then 90-1260 > > Yes you fucking can. New champions come out every 2-2.5 months. You can get halfway to a new champion via ONLY FWotD's blue essence in that time. You'd at most require 4 levels with that to stay caught up, which the FWotD's bonus experience will more then allow you to get. > > You don't happen to understand how IP/BE works, do you? Disenchant values are up so total IP/BE is about the same. Upgrade cost is equal to the old upgrade cost it had in the IP system. > > Also, people who want all available free content are much better off because any champion shard they want a champion for is worth 2x as much BE. People who want every champion are actually better off on this system. > > If you earn more then 6300 BE in 2 months you actually do. The only way you do not earn that much is if you barely play to begin with, but in that case you don't need to worry about mastery or champions. Dude, you must be trolling. Good luck in Mathematics class.
: > [{quoted}](name=xX aZ3R0n Xx,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NF1NB6yE,comment-id=0004000300000000,timestamp=2017-12-25T19:02:35.246+0000) > > Are you incapable of reading? NO, I did not have to buy Mystery Shards in order to upgrade the masteries of the 10 champions I currently have 6 and greater on. Last season, I earned chests on 40 different champions, and earned even more BE through event rewards, etc. Then why do you even care? Your BE from chests and events will be equivalent to the BE you got before due to the conversion, so you'll earn Mastery at the exact same rate. > I did not have to spend IP to upgrade champion masteries, and literally **forcing** us to use the equivalent of IP to raise them now because some players (like myself) were able to do it absolutely free is a huge kick in the nuts to the player base. "absolutely free" "I just had to get 40+ chests and get lots of BE from events". Fam you'll earn mastery at the exact same rate if you only purchase it via boxes and events. It's not 'more expensive' when the champion shards you were disenchanting are worth 6.5x as much and the BE you get from events is 6.5x as much in return for the mastery cost being 6.5x as much. The time to get will be the exact same for you.
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NF1NB6yE,comment-id=00040003000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-25T19:41:11.533+0000) > > Then why do you even care? Your BE from chests and events will be equivalent to the BE you got before due to the conversion, so you'll earn Mastery at the exact same rate. > > "absolutely free" > > "I just had to get 40+ chests and get lots of BE from events". > > Fam you'll earn mastery at the exact same rate if you only purchase it via boxes and events. It's not 'more expensive' when the champion shards you were disenchanting are worth 6.5x as much and the BE you get from events is 6.5x as much in return for the mastery cost being 6.5x as much. The time to get will be the exact same for you. Apparently, you aren't capable of simple logic, so let me help you. Before preseason, I was able to farm enough mastery chests so that I did not need to drop RP or IP to get enough BE to upgrade champion mastery. Therefore, I was able to have plentiful BE and OE while still earning enough IP to buy champions without spending RP on them. This way, I was able to spend my RP on skins, bundles, mission passes, etc. Post preseason, BE and IP have been combined, the disenchant value for blue shards has been decreased, and the cost to upgrade mastery has been multiplied 6.5 times. **WE CAN NO LONGER FARM ENOUGH BE/IP IN ORDER TO BOTH UPGRADE MASTERIES WHILE ALSO UNLOCKING CHAMPIONS FOR FREE.** Combining the currencies, nerfing the disenchant values, and increasing the upgrade costs are all a ruse to make it so *less* players will be able to farm all the available content for free. tl;dr Riot is trying to get players like me to drop RP on things I didn't have to drop RP on before. also tl;dr You are WRONG, I do not earn enough BE to **both** unlock masteries **AND** champions at the same time.
: > [{quoted}](name=xX aZ3R0n Xx,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NF1NB6yE,comment-id=00040003,timestamp=2017-12-25T18:32:41.879+0000) > > No, it does not cost the same. No, I did not have to spend IP to buy Mystery Champion Tokens. The only way for Mastery pre IP => BE was to spend BE on Mastery. The only way to get BE was RNG in getting shards from boxes, or spending 1,700 IP on a Mystery Champion Token and turning what you got into BE. The cost, with the BE x6.5 conversion to IP, **is the exact same**. > The new cost of Champion Mastery is outrageous, and I haven't upgraded a champion's mastery since the preseason update, nor will I do so until Riot fixes this issue. The old cost was outrageous. The 'new' cost is just the old cost except more transparent about the cost.
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NF1NB6yE,comment-id=000400030000,timestamp=2017-12-25T18:34:31.808+0000) > > The only way for Mastery pre IP => BE was to spend BE on Mastery. The only way to get BE was RNG in getting shards from boxes, or spending 1,700 IP on a Mystery Champion Token and turning what you got into BE. The cost, with the BE x6.5 conversion to IP, **is the exact same**. > > The old cost was outrageous. The 'new' cost is just the old cost except more transparent about the cost. Are you incapable of reading? NO, I did not have to buy Mystery Shards in order to upgrade the masteries of the 10 champions I currently have 6 and greater on. Last season, I earned chests on 40 different champions, and earned even more BE through event rewards, etc. I did not have to spend IP to upgrade champion masteries, and literally **forcing** us to use the equivalent of IP to raise them now because some players (like myself) were able to do it absolutely free is a huge kick in the nuts to the player base.
: First, the actual cost of Mastery is the exact same. Pre BE you had to spend IP on Mystery Champion Tokens to convert to BE, and needed 2-3 tokens per mastery. Second, Mastery was and is intended as a currency sink. It's a sink for people who've been playing a while and want something to spend their thousands of IP/BE on, not for anyone to just get. It's intended you ignore it outside of a champion or two, not focus on over getting champions.
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NF1NB6yE,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-12-25T05:07:01.436+0000) > > First, the actual cost of Mastery is the exact same. Pre BE you had to spend IP on Mystery Champion Tokens to convert to BE, and needed 2-3 tokens per mastery. > > Second, Mastery was and is intended as a currency sink. It's a sink for people who've been playing a while and want something to spend their thousands of IP/BE on, not for anyone to just get. It's intended you ignore it outside of a champion or two, not focus on over getting champions. No, it does not cost the same. No, I did not have to spend IP to buy Mystery Champion Tokens. The new cost of Champion Mastery is outrageous, and I haven't upgraded a champion's mastery since the preseason update, nor will I do so until Riot fixes this issue.
: HIS GLORIOUS BODY
Rioter Comments
: Is it really your aim to get every champion to Mastery 7?
: What on earth could POSSIBLY justify Mastery 7 costing 6.5x as much as before?
Everyone seems to miss one huge fact when considering the cost of champion mastery with the new BE system: **We did not have to use IP to upgrade champion mastery.** Under the new system, we have to use the equivalent of IP to upgrade our mysteries, and the cost of getting each champion to mastery 7 costs more than buying the entire champion roster with BE.
SEKAI (OCE)
: And this is what we call the https://godshotspot.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/fast-easy-accounting-206-361-3950-helps-contractors-overcome-stockholm-syndrome-for-change-order-management.png .............. Your defence also has a couple flaws: 1. When it's between a possible skin shard or any other reward options and BE through first-time S rank chests or events, the BE is not "free". Because you lose the opportunity cost of all the other rewards (often typically reserved for real money purchases) you otherwise can not earn through sheer grinding. 2. If you withhold shards for discounts, your BE is simply not growing. Ultimately you will still disenchant most of your shards unless you're already some kind of whale which in that case you shouldn't even care what Riot has done to the IP/BE system anyway, this means the notion of discounts approaches negligibility for most players. 3. There is no way you can defend the new champion mastery 6 and 7's cost. It's a pure nerf, and a pretty heavy one that just raises the original price by like 6 times, for no reason. 4. The current BE system is only compared with the good o' IP when we say they're roughly equal in value, when in fact we also had a separate BE system which while limited it was still its own thing separated from IP. This means no matter how you look at it, player (grinding) resource has been devalued from the change. Now also factor in #1 and #3. 5. It still doesn't change the fact instead of gradual earning, periodic earning feels terrible for most players. 6. When you unlock a champ through shard, especially through the shard you get from leveling up which is the main way of earning your BE, this means instead of the discounted value you're paying for, what you're actually paying is the combined value of its labelled discount value AND and value you will get if you disenchant the shard; again, opportunity cost. This means it is NOT a "a major discount" at all. Now also factor in #2. I'm thinking you're probably just convincing yourself to accept it, tbh.
Just to respond to your points: 1. Yes, BE is free. Period. It doesn't matter how it is earned, it is a free currency that only requires us to invest our time into playing League of Legends. IP was the same exact way, but there was only one way to earn it (i.e. - playing matches). With BE there are multiple ways to earn the currency. Orange shards and other loot from from chest drops are entirely off-topic as this thread is entirely focused on BE. 2. You are right in that our BE will not grow if we do not disenchant shards. I'm holding on to some champion shards so that I can use them to upgrade mastery, and I have also used some to get the unlock discount (I will address this thoroughly in point 6). However, BE is only used to unlock champions and upgrade mastery level. Since runes are no longer a thing, we do not need free currency for anything else. In other words, **it doesn't really matter if your BE pool isn't growing if we're working on unlocking a specific champion**. If I get an Aurelion Sol shard, keep it to get the discount, and then grind another couple levels so I have enough BE to unlock Sol with the shard, what have I lost? See 6 for further discussion on that. 3. I never defended the increase in the cost of champion mastery, nor do I agree with the change. You and I feel the same way about this. 4. The issue with this point is we have to take into effect how this change ultimately affected our grinding methods. To earn IP you had to play lots of matches, and you could purchase IP boosts. That was the only way to earn IP. With the changes that preseason brought, we can earn BE - which now unlocks everything IP did - through grinding matches to level up, event rewards, Hextech chests from match ranking, and honor capsules. It is when you calculate all these sources of BE together that you would find that we earn more BE than we did IP in the long run. 5. I never said anything in the OP that disagrees with this point, and I actually suggested Riot do something to fix this flaw in the system. 6. I understand this point you are making, but when you look at the combined cost of the BE to unlock the champion at a discount with the BE you would have received for disenchanting the shard you are **still** coming out on top. I was just given a Braum shard with my glorious capsule at level 40. It normally costs 6300 to unlock Braum, but I paid 3050. The disenchant value for a 6300 champion is roughly 1100, but I cannot remember exactly. So when you combine the BE cost plus the potential of what the shard would have given me, it is still less than 6300. The point of my thread is that I'm trying to look at all aspects of the new currency system instead of *only* the negative. It is certainly far from perfect, but I'm starting to see the positives of it. I just got an Orianna shard today from a Hextech chest by getting an S- or better. That gave me more than the minimum reward from a capsule after leveling up, and I all had to do was play one match. I'm starting to see how we can possibly earn much more currency under the new system if we play our cards right. You can agree or disagree, but I'm starting to see how it can be done.
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: I'm not sure where OP pulled this quote from. And we need the community's help to correct things like this: > So far i havent seen those "more skin shards" in boxes, 0 skin shards from leveling up too. Skin shards from leveling up? That's not a thing. It's really harmful to upvote misinformation like this. To really understand about the orange essence nerfs, [here's a really detailed post about the orange essence nerfs](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/fRZopjhE-bring-back-the-old-value-of-orange-disenchant-riot?comment=0009) I made a while back on these boards. Please let us know how you feel about the explanation given there—I promise I'll pass on your feedback to the devs. Just do me a favor and make sure you read the post so your feedback is based on what we actually said about it!
It's posts like these that make me regret spending each and every dollar that I did on RP during the course of my account ownership. It's bad enough that Riot has completely changed the currency system to benefit their own wallet, but you guys continue to lie to us and try to make us second guess ourselves. This is called gaslighting, which is a behavior that occurs in abusive relationships. If Riot doesn't start making some positive changes then I might need to end my relationship with League of Legends.
: > [{quoted}](name=xX aZ3R0n Xx,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TrHnTEEN,comment-id=000d00000000,timestamp=2017-11-26T17:20:11.059+0000) > > I am 30 IRL and my girlfriend is 19. > Fuck your math. By any chance did you fail math in school?
> [{quoted}](name=LordForrest,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TrHnTEEN,comment-id=000d000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-27T12:00:38.850+0000) > > By any chance did you fail math in school? No, it was my best subject. If you do the equation given, my minimum age for dating would be 22 (30/2+7=22). So then... Fuck that math, I love my girlfriend.
: And where are you getting the facts to back up the claim that the majority of players don’t like the changes?
: That doesn't at all fix the issue that he is a tank mid laner that one shots..
Never in my entire account ownership since Season 5 have I ever encountered a Vladimir that can one shot.
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