Paroe (NA)
: @thread ADC mains are the only players ever to whine so hard riot created an entirely new kind of item for them. ADCs are the only class of champions to have their itemization buffed constantly without real reworks over the years. ADCs are the only class of champions to have their lack of counterplay glorified by riot instead of punished. ADCs are the only class of champions to have the meta revolve consistently around them.
Mages in mid bruiser for jungle whats your point?
Rexxiee (NA)
: Riot wasant happy with how strong locket was already, they had to make it even more ridiculous.
Its obviously the adcs fault that support itemization is so overloaded
Paroe (NA)
: > "Adc can 1v5 after bork" Hyperbole, but depending on the comp and specific champion it can be true. A vayne wth botrk by 7 minutes can 1v5 pretty easy. especially if the enemy comp has no tanks. > "Junglers doesnt control the pace of the game anymore" They dont. The pace of the game is focused on the botlane and marksman, which is why the meta has evolved into a perpetual "protect the carry" comp and why marksman have access to the highest damage reduction in the game. > "Draven is broken so Zac is balanced" Draven is broken because, due to itemization, hes become a low-skill floor, immortal snowballer with no counterplay except for disengage and anti-snowball botlanes. Zac is annoying asf though. > "Triple lifesteal item adc is viable" {{item:3031}} {{item:3006}} {{item:3153}} {{item:3085}} {{item:3072}} {{item:3812}}. Yeah, its viable. IE/zerkers/hurricane is the marksman core for a reason. > "Adc themselves are safer than mage" Depends on the marksman. Most marksman are actually more mobile than non-assassin/diver mages AND contain some form of CC. The mobility combined with their itemization combined with their CC is what makes them safer than standard mages. Marksman, with their current itemization, have a higher burst than SYNDRA with 700AP. Burst in this sense is the damage _i_ put out with a 100% crit build in three seconds (the amount of time it takes most mages to unload their entire rotation due to cast times. Not every champion is like ahri or riven and doesnt have cast times).
That build is pure garbage lmaoooo nice alternative facts in your post
: Melee/tank mains think they should be able to dive in 1v5 and kill an ADC
Zac playing like monkey but still one shots your backline is fair and balanced because hes a tank xd
: adcs are stupid but boards will turn against you the moment you say tanks or supports might be a problem
"we should nerf adc because supports kit and itemization is broken and overloaded" "Adc survive some dive because supports used everything to save them nerf adc" Me > ???
: I blame MM's post about how playing a tank is **really difficult**
Its funny how i made a thread using his logic and saying every class takes game knowledge to play well and was downvoted LUL
Rioter Comments
: New summoner spell
Great more spells for mages to abuse
: how the fuck would you ever run out of mana with a chalice/grail
Love me some alernative facts
: Yes because my point was that League has always had a Mana regen item for Mid laners. Lost is that item right now.
Yeah they both are regen item except for the fact that chalice doesnt make you a manaless champ like lost chapter does
MrHaZeYo (NA)
: As a mage main I for the most part agree, eon doesn't detect wards tho, that's duskblade. Mages tho have a good amount of hp items that adcs and assassins don't. I just wish we had a ap version of qss n another ap armor item.
This is why everyone makes fun of mage mains
: You realise throughout League mages have always had a Mana Regen item to go for. {{item:3802}} {{item:3028}} Mana manipulator {{item:1056}} . So no, the problem is not Lost Chapter, the problem is there is no problem and you guys are fussing over something that isn't broken.
did you just compared pre mage item rework chalice to lost chapter and double dorans? LUL
Cloud273 (NA)
: You spelled Zed wrong.
People still lose lane to zed in 2017? LUL
Lakrosin (NA)
: It's not my fault you don't know when to go in when a tank initiates. Kappa.
Gets caught out 1v5 Hurdur I was initiating tanks are so weak cant survive 1v5 -almost every gameplay board tank mains ever
Rioter Comments
: They to know on who and most important WHEN. Just come from a lost game with the same exact pattern in every teamfight: Our Zac and our Galio both engage on enemy team, consisting on fizz, Annie,Ivern,twitch,braum. They lock down Annie and twitch and use all their stuff. They are protected by their tanks so they survive, meanwhile me and Jinx are left alone to deal with a fed fizz on our ass so we either die trying to do some damage or gtfo of there, and the fight is still lost because no one is going to damage the locked down enemies. Now, who do you think had the power to change that scenario?
Lmao zac and galio on the same team and you still lost? Maybe your entire team should play with both hands next time
: Lifesteal is an issue and needsto be adressed
nice lie tho not even gonna bother further with these kind of garbage threads
Penns (EUW)
: Well every champ requires game knowledge, many tanks just dont really require mechanix. My point is, you first time Zac or you first time Galio on my team ? Go ahead. But you first time broken assassins like Kat and Talon before their nerfs for example? Youre probably gonna feed regardless.
tanks can also feed their ass off and still be useful to the team
: I've had it with people belittling the amount of effort it takes to play tanks
What i got this thread is tanks needs to press skill on the correct person is hard. Wow such difficulty
Rioter Comments
Glîtchy (NA)
: Why do people want mages nerfed?
Filthy mage mains protecting their waifu
: Lol RIP Karma - Patch 7.12
You know karma has been meta support since last year right?
: > [{quoted}](name=Dehitay,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iKy1LZTZ,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-17T03:32:30.980+0000) > > ...are you serious? The Ori must be dumb to do that. Her early game mana ain't that great. Keep in mind, her damage is reduced when she hits minions. Stop acting like a cliched melee player. Be smarter.
>early game mana problems yeah im sure that getting a lost chapter without dying 50 times is hard to become pretty much manaless
: Huge Buff to Mordekaiser this patch
Fighting cancer with tumor nice1
: > [{quoted}](name=ybuR,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=P%%%kLr8,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-06-16T21:37:32.680+0000) > > You just triggered all the mage mains It's not like AP itemization is complete horse shit compared to the wide selection of ad items with super useful passives n shit, nope. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
>ap itemization is shit LUL
: Void staff needs to be nerfed.
>AP reaps more benefits across the board than AD You just triggered all the mage mains
: theres a point in the game where tanks that dont have percent damage reduction die so fast
Oh no tank players needs to not play like a monkey past 40 minutes buff pls!
: Proposal: Sivir changes/tweaks
Just revert last nerf lol
: > [{quoted}](name=Tobias Brackner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HyK7w7zu,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-06-15T07:43:10.732+0000) > > Tanks will survive plenty long. They will just have to care about positioning more than they used to in the past. You're right but they are not as strong as they used to be. With every adc centered around bork, in the future, tanks will take a lot less damage due to the 4% less damage for ranged but it's still pretty annoying
>i cant tank 1v5 for 10seconds anymore wtf tank so weak buff pls Lmao
: You mean you don't like being bullied and zoned all lane by a late game hyper carry?
Sounds like every mages LUL
: Viktor can Q a minnion then Q the turrent
: wait i didn't understand what this thread said
: and than when you skip sightstones or other support items so you can be the tank, for no one else on the team wanted to play tank, you get flamed up the ass. Sometimes i'll skip redemption or sightstones, and I HATE making that sacrifice. But when my team comp consists of {{champion:114}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:18}} Who all decided to go pure ad, without a single tank item, Than you guys didn't give me much choice. -A support main DEAR TOP LANERS, PLAY FUCKING TANKS IM SICK OF U PLAYING RIVEN GOING FULL AD AND BEING A USELESS AS HELL ZERO SEVEN ZERO That is all : 3
>a support main that skips sightstone >gets upvoted this is why this board is a fucking joke lmaoooo and pls learn the difference between than and then. Dont hit me up with the bullshit english is not my first language its not my first language either and its not hard to know the correct uses for them
Meddler (NA)
: Janna X RubicK: "I make things up and then present them as quotes" Let's start with a look at the post you're referring to: Relevant section: > [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=haWf2QnU,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-06-13T15:56:37.452+0000) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > **Support Starting Items** > > We've been looking at the starting support items now that they've been out for a while. Conclusion is that the Coin line is underperforming, so we'll be doing some more work on it. That will likely involve improvements both to the tier1 and tier 2 versions as well as the tier 3 upgrades (probably both Talisman and Eye of the Oasis). > > Possible the Frost Queen's is also too strong, what we'll likely do is buff coin first though then reassess whether that's actually the case or not. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Key things in there just to spell it out even more explicitly: * We've identified Coin is weak and will be buffing it, probably at all three upgrade tiers. * Frost Queen's might also be too strong. We'll look at that again after buffing Coin. Coin being weak doesn't mean Frost Queen's can't also be overpowered. Calling this thread out in particular because I think it's sad to see this sort of attitude on Boards, especially in a somewhat upvoted thread. The feeling any words you write will be deliberately misinterpreted, or warped, is something I've heard a number of Rioters call out over the years as one of the reasons they don't want to post anymore.
remember when lcs pros bought coin last year in season 6 lcs? Yeah me either hmm weak for how long now :thinking:
: I never take the opinions, or suggestions, of elitists seriously
How am i being an elitists? Aram balance is garbage and its 90% a 5v5 so this guy "1v1" mf is probably bullshit. Nice inferiority complex tho and failing to realize that this post is just a huge bullshit and aram LUL. He probably died to mf team instead of mf tanking him. + No one actually builds double lifesteal for adc in real game except for a situational merc
: It's time we tone down AD sustain across the boards
i never take any balance suggestion from people that plays aram seriously
Paroe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ybuR,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xmPGfJ2k,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-14T01:20:15.073+0000) > > checked your match history and you spam malz with tp exhaust lol why dont you try ghost and flash and tell me how easy it is for your opponent to avoid you I actually use ex/TP because i have a problem with dumb positioning. Not using flash (since i use it as a crutch) in normals helps tremendously to curb bad habits and forces me to better my positioning. And even if i did use ghost/flash (why would i? Thats a dumb combo for a squishy with no survivability and mediocre burst) how would that change anything? I can get one more Q off or maybe get that ult i was looking for. But... thats it? I have 385ms and no mobility. Most champions id be fighting have mobility at least. And in late game team fights what would flash/ghost even do? I can run away... woo? Id rather have flash/tp so i can TP for that clean up or scare off a potential team fight.
Paroe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ybuR,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xmPGfJ2k,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-06-14T00:51:26.722+0000) > > So the counterplay i got from your thread is stay in fountain so he cant get you. Got it thanks very helpful The counterplay is dont let his E jump to you and respect his Q and R. Hes got less range than most mages and still pushes extremely hard. Why would you just LET him harass you? Because across all ELOs thats what i see; people just letting malzahar harass them and then crying when he kills them because they didnt respect him. Further, his burst window IS his ult. If he doesnt kill you with an EWRQ hes -generally - not going to unless he ignites you or youre as mobile as he is.
checked your match history and you spam malz with tp exhaust lol why dont you try ghost and flash and tell me how easy it is for your opponent to avoid you
Paroe (NA)
: So why IS malzahar getting nerfed again?
So the counterplay i got from your thread is stay in fountain so he cant get you. Got it thanks very helpful
meowwow7 (NA)
: my question here is why are you trading with a draven at level 1 as an adc
ur rite should have stayed in fountain xd
Ralanr (NA)
: He was picked in competitive recently? What match?
na eu picked him this week. I believe lck also had a game with him not sure on this one
meowwow7 (NA)
: blitz and draven are pretty easy to counter because most people are complaining about how much sustain draven has due to dd buffs so get an executioners and fire a cc at one of his axe spots and claim a summoner or kill
how do you counter a 100dmg auto at level 1
: only in low elo blitz is allowed to run at you without punishement thresh and draven do need nerfs
which is why blitzcrank is never going to be picked in competitve owait
Rioter Comments
: Oh dear rito, you killed rammus.
How does it feel to have your new main perma banned
: Syndra and Viktor's waveclear is terrible until you get AP. Taliyah has to postition her self very carefully for her waveclear to work the best, unless you're talking about her rock field which is a lot of mana. Orianna's qw combo is a lot of mana and may mess up ball placement as well as being in a small AoE. Ahri's q has a pretty high cd and her main damage. And Xer + everyone else except Ahri has no mobility (Taliyah doesn't really count). Copy and pasted from my other reply.
Syndra and viktor wavelcear is terrible? LUL WTF i play viktor myself. Do you even play them. Taliyah still one shots casters orianna doesnt run out of mana after 1st back. Actually all mages you listed dont run out of mana after 1st back. Syndra can clear melee in 2 q
Dasdi96 (NA)
: So what do you do as a a tank if the enemy adc is almost full build at 30 minutes?
Implying you can tank a hyperfed mages. Lmao hyperfed mage just nukes your entire team
: Why are tanks more gated in mana than mages?
Dont forget mages having bascially no cd and 1k range
: @Riot: Ekko's waveclear needs some attention.
I see nothing wrong when mages could do it better
: due to being typically highly mana dependent champs and reliant on CDR they need to get at least a {{item:3165}} before they are any real threat and most dont really kill til lvl 6 with ults any ways, well besides taliyah... she uses her ult to roam
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