: add "jg no ganks" in rep section so iron players can choose it
it's not nice to call people with the same mmr as you trash...
Tinkle (EUW)
: Its Now More About Business Than Player Experience
First you complained about toxicity and how people cannot handle defeat or being emotionally torn about it. Then on the last paragraph you suggested Rito adds voice chat so people can voice those emotions for everyone to hear??? No thanks.
: If I Report Someone I Don't Want To Get Que'ed With Them Again
Would it be difficult to wait 5 minutes after reporting someone before queue up again? It would accomplished what you want (significantly lowered the odds of being pair with them) and it won't open matchmaking up for abuse
: Currently in a game with a teammate running down lanes and sitting there letting enemies kill them
report in-game and submit a support ticket on that player then. whining about it here ain't gonna help. and if you need to cry about that, do it here https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/rant
Vo1d1 (NA)
: it's justified when that person is intentionally ruining your game, but sure Riot, I'll just mute all every single game so I have no communication with anyone to make sure no one gets hurt feelings
if this is how you communicate with your teammate(s), you muting all every single game might actually be preferable for everyone. Good for you so you don't get punished anymore. Good for everyone else so they don't have to see this toxicity craps in their game. Everyone happy. Everyone wins.
: Tell it to freedom of speech, this game is no difference than the other social media platforms. When defending yourself becomes your own enemy, you would realised by now, its not a game anymore. This banning system is totally rigged and the ones left playing are all sheeps to the system. Taking away our personalities from a game is not a fun game - Double lift calling people "trash"
does freedom of speech apply outside of the US? I must had miss the news about Rito becoming a government agency.....
: I'm sorry, but "Ok I'm out" should be a permaban
intentionally feeding (gameplay offense) already covered intentional afk and is a 14-day on first penalty if detected
Nergál (EUNE)
: >Every couple days and key every 3rd day.... are we playing the same game? If you are perma banned, that means you previously received a 14-day ban putting your account at honor 0. Hextech key every 3rd day when your account is on the brink of a ban..... are we playing the same game??? Yes I received a 14-day ban but as I said that was like 4 years ago... Right now I was on honor rank 2 midway to lvl 3 and it's not a joke at all that I received a message about my honors+key just 2 games before the permaban.
I don't believe you receive a key every 3rd day (some keys, yes. Not every 3rd day).... If the last time you received a punishment was 4 years ago, unless you haven't played any games at all during that 4 years period, it is more than enough to de-escalate with regular plays. No offense, but your story does not checked out with what we know (unless of course you haven't played much at all for 4 years) and I will say there are much details missing in this story. If you adamantly claim it's true and you haven't de-escalate from 4 years of play, then submit a support ticket and plead your case. Side note, getting honor and receiving keys is not proof that you de-escalate your toxicity. You can passively rise in honor while still being mildly toxic enough to keep your account at risk of punishment.
Nergál (EUNE)
: About 1, you got my point wrong. Yes personally when talking about my case it was about chat toxicity but it's highly more likely there will be toxicitiy in your game when you're on the losing side so since the system is automated a big lose streak may cause you a ban since you will receive more reports in general. > It is widely known that you can de-escalate your punishment tier by playing positively or at worst neutrally for many games over 5-6 months (the proposed average time frame assuming you play average amount of games per day). It is not based on elapsed time, but on the amount of games played without toxicity. > > Punishment is based on severity * frequency. If you flame with the same amount of severity, flaming 3 times in 100 games DO NOT gives you the same penalty as flaming 3 times in 40000 games. That's just patently false because you would not trigger the frequency punishment assuming your flames are not severe. (Just a side note, if you were banned 3 times, you didn't really hold any singular accounts for 9 years timeframe yes?) I'm receiving a message every couple days when I login about how I receive x% more honors than your average player and get a hextech key every 3rd day cause of it so that has to mean something about frequency... I literally received that message today as well when I logged in and just 2hours or so later after my 2nd game I was banned. And yes I hold a single account (the one I'm posting from) since 2010, as I said in the end of the post got many legacy skins that were retired years ago and even some of the super rarest ones that only appeared in the beta of the game. The bans if I remember correctly are 1st)3-days, 2nd)2weeks, 3rd)permanent. Also you kinda get to my point about how lose streaks matter as they will obviously increase the frequency you get reports since people report more when you lose and like you said frequency matters. > Chat base offense is reviewed by an automated machine learning system called the Instant Feedback System (commonly referred as the IFS or "the bots"). This system has been in place for many years (can't remember but i'm going to guess in the 2014-2015-ish timeframe). It is false that nobody reviewed your chatlogs. No human probably reviewed it, but your chat logs were reviewed by the IFS. Again, report =/= punish no matter how many reported you rack up. It's not "automatic ban". If your chat logs have no toxicity in it, there is no punishment. That's even worse if it's true. So technically by avoiding saying certain keywords you can escape the ban which makes the system even more flawed in my eyes and also even more likely to get things out of context. >There is a flaw in this logic/example. As noted above, chat toxicity is handled by the IFS. The IFS is only triggered by report. The IFS is not an automate system that auto scan your chat in every game looking for things to punish you with. No report = no review = no IFS = no problem. If someone told you to feed a poro and you said "I'm coming to feed", who the hell is going to report you for that? I may receive a report for other reasons and you can even see it happens a few times on my example of my report card that I said "fucking timing" when I happened to gank same time as enemy jungler or when I said "why the fuck was she afk at that bush' when an enemy caught me out of nowhere so those 2 "fuck" words increased the severity if a bot reviews it automatically. Also take a look at [this image](https://i.imgur.com/YkD1ewS.jpg) which is at the postgame of one of the games in my report card. Does the bot even realize what I said or does it only read the keywords (cancer to everyone in family, everything to die) and punish me for it because the person who actually said those to me reported me for it?
> About 1, you got my point wrong. Yes personally when talking about my case it was about chat toxicity but it's highly more likely there will be toxicitiy in your game when you're on the losing side so since the system is automated a big lose streak may cause you a ban since you will receive more reports in general. Report =/= Punishment. Frequency of reports does not matter. There is a review process that the IFS performed before deciding whether or not to levy a penalty against your account. If you do not said anything toxic (or not type a single thing), you can be reported every single game you play for the next 500 games and I bet you my account you will never see a punishment. The system is automated in the sense that the machine learning system scan your chat and score your toxicity based on it's algorithm. It is NOT automated in the sense that 100 reports = auto punished. > I'm receiving a message every couple days when I login about how I receive x% more honors than your average player and get a hextech key every 3rd day cause of it so that has to mean something about frequency... I literally received that message today as well when I logged in and just 2hours or so later after my 2nd game I was banned. And yes I hold a single account (the one I'm posting from) since 2010, as I said in the end of the post got many legacy skins that were retired years ago and even some of the super rarest ones that only appeared in the beta of the game. Every couple days and key every 3rd day.... are we playing the same game? If you are perma banned, that means you previously received a 14-day ban putting your account at honor 0. Hextech key every 3rd day when your account is on the brink of a ban..... are we playing the same game??? > The bans if I remember correctly are 1st)3-days, 2nd)2weeks, 3rd)permanent. Also you kinda get to my point about how lose streaks matter as they will obviously increase the frequency you get reports since people report more when you lose and like you said frequency matters. The punishment tiers are: 10 chat restrictions 25 chat restrictions 14-day ban permanent ban Again, I will stress that if you said nothing toxic or not say anything all, REPORTS DO NOT MATTER. If the IFS sees nothing wrong with your log, it will get thrown out. You can be reported every single game and it would not matter. Losing streak has nothing to do with it unless you are saying you tend to be more toxic when you are on a losing streak, which will then makes it your fault, not the people who reported you. > That's even worse if it's true. So technically by avoiding saying certain keywords you can escape the ban which makes the system even more flawed in my eyes and also even more likely to get things out of context. The certain keywords is ONLY for Zero Tolerance word, which will trigger the severity escalated punishment. The IFS is a machine learning system that's capable of interpret YOUR (no one else) **chat** intent and context. Outside of ZT phases, it is not a dumb system that goes "if "fuck" then punish();" > I may receive a report for other reasons and you can even see it happens a few times on my example of my report card that I said "fucking timing" when I happened to gank same time as enemy jungler or when I said "why the fuck was she afk at that bush' when an enemy caught me out of nowhere so those 2 "fuck" words increased the severity if a bot reviews it automatically. Also take a look at this image which is at the postgame of one of the games in my report card. Does the bot even realize what I said or does it only read the keywords (cancer to everyone in family, everything to die) and punish me for it because the person who actually said those to me reported me for it? You have the option to submit a support ticket, request a human review, and plead your case.
Scarlesh (EUW)
: Congratulations on having your balls cut, mate. Hope that vasectomy's turning over a brand new world of possibility and of humbleness in the front of your new SJW overlords, so that you may now adapt to the lowest common denominator that has become the newest standard to adhere to. Careful though, the ceiling's pretty low so you'll have to crawl from now on. I'm breaking a little shout-out to the memory of the past-you, who has been practically kicked in the teeth so much over these months, fed the typical answers into becoming whatever has forged this self-flagellating piece of writing. Don't forget you're still in there, somewhere. Rioters are doing their job - and unfortunately, if the game leads (and believe me, you're not the only one) perfectly rational, sane people into losing their patience, this is their system's problem to handle, not yours. I assure you, that to handle a letter of rants the way they do, takes less than half a hour of paid time, and by dinner, they'll not have cared in the slightest about the random dude writing about their online game. You didn't sour or ruin anyone's day - if you did, they would've likely helped you out of the situation you were in. Self-censoring is the worst form of censoring.
> Self-censoring is the worst form of censoring. I LoL at this statement. Do you spew every nasty shits that comes to your mind in real life to people you meet? Everyone self-censor their thoughts in real life. It's how we save ourselves from getting punched in the face daily.
: What do you think of prisoner island.
It's not as simple as that. You also have to consider the technicality of a prisoner's island. You are not splitting the player base in half. The so called toxic players are a minority with low percentage. You have to take matchmaking into account. If say a Platinum tier toxic islander queue up for a game, where would matchmaking be able to find 9 other Platinum toxic islanders with similar MMR to match him with? I can't imagine the potential queue pool to be large enough for the toxic islanders to be able to find a ranked match with any fairness or at least within any reasonable queue time. Toxic island would effectively be locked out of ranked matches because who's willing to sit for hours to find a Gold/Plat/Diamond game? How is matchmaking going to be able to find 10 Top, Mid, Bot, Supp, Jg primary/secondary pick to even get the match going? It's going to be auto-filled toxic island. There's also the matter of how do you get out of the toxic island? It is known that it takes something like 5-6 months of average games played to de-escalate a punishment tier and it also take a few months to go up in honor. Do you really want to sit for an hour in queue (in toxic island) to get a match going every day? Those games likely to be grossly unfair with diamonds getting matched with bronzes because matchmaking will not be able to find a fair MMR match with such a small pool of people. With less match you can play per day, it will take more than 6 months to even get out. I'd rather abandon the account and start a new one...
Nergál (EUNE)
: So just got an automatic permaban.
> 1st reason why I think the current ban system is flawled/wrong. I've been banned 3 times, I don't even remember when the past 2 were (something like 2014 and 2015) but what I do remember is that all 3 times my match history looked like this and these are the only 3 times I managed to have such a huge losing spree. Which means you are more likely to get banned for having some bad matches since everyone tends to report their team when they lose. (Because 99% of the people don't understand the meaning of the word INTENTIONAL feeding) Were the other 2 bans for chat offense or gameplay offense? From within the context of this entire thread, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the other 2 bans were chat-base toxicity, which mean whether you had a 50 game losing streak or not does not really matter. If you did nothing wrong or say nothing toxic, it does not matter if you are reported every single game. report =/= punish. report = valid review = punish. If I am wrong in my guess, then correct me and tell me it's gameplay offenses (you were shown a match history instead of a chat log). Someone claiming you are intentionally feeding is irrelevant to chat offense review. Your gameplay and kda and such are not taken into account. > 2nd reason. In short you have 2 bans and then 3rd is permaban. Someone who started in 2019 has 2 chances. I who started in 2010 also have 2 chances, there's never a reset counter. It would make sense that every 2 years or so you get back to step 1 or 1 step back or that at most you get a 3-6 month ban instead of a permanent one because honestly even if you flame 3 times and deserve any kind of penalty but that's in a 9 years timeframe then getting a permaban is stupid imo. Think about it, flaming 3 times in 100 games gives you the same penalty as flaming 3 times in 40000 games which like I said is stupid. It is widely known that you can de-escalate your punishment tier by playing positively or at worst neutrally for many games over 5-6 months (the proposed average time frame assuming you play average amount of games per day). It is not based on elapsed time, but on the amount of games played without toxicity. Punishment is based on severity * frequency. If you flame with the same amount of severity, flaming 3 times in 100 games DO NOT gives you the same penalty as flaming 3 times in 40000 games. That's just patently false because you would not trigger the frequency punishment assuming your flames are not severe. (Just a side note, if you were banned 3 times, you didn't really hold any singular accounts for 9 years timeframe yes?) > 3rd reason. I was under the impression this is not true but apparently the system is automated. Client says "a player triggered a review" but on the chat logs of the 3 games that apparently someone "reviewed" was the last match I had, the match that ended 5seconds before I got the permaban which obviously means that it's what triggered it and obviously nobody reviewed at all, so combining that with reason #1 if you're unlucky and have a bad lose streak you may automatically get banned. Chat base offense is reviewed by an automated machine learning system called the Instant Feedback System (commonly referred as the IFS or "the bots"). This system has been in place for many years (can't remember but i'm going to guess in the 2014-2015-ish timeframe). It is false that nobody reviewed your chatlogs. No human probably reviewed it, but your chat logs were reviewed by the IFS. Again, report =/= punish no matter how many reported you rack up. It's not "automatic ban". If your chat logs have no toxicity in it, there is no punishment. > 4th reason. Ok this is the only controversial one, people say that what others tell you doesn't mean you have the right to flame and I disagree. Sure if somebody says "omg noob, why you bought the xxxx item?" and you reply "fuck off" it's pretty toxic. But if somebody says "dude you're such a noob, I hope your house burns down and your whole family dies" and then you also reply "fuck off" then it's more justified, but thing is when people review your chat they review ONLY YOUR chat, they have no idea what you reply to, they simply see you saying "fuck off" and determine you're the toxic one. (And yes btw somebody did tell me the line about wishing my family to die in one of the games on my report card). Also even if you disagree with this there's still a very valid point on why the whole chat should be available and that's because you can easily get stuff out of context. There is no justification. If you spew toxicity regardless of reasons, you did spewed toxcity. Why would the whole chat matters? There's no "who's more toxic". There's no justification. There's no self-defense. It's not a mutually exclusive punishment (meaning if the other guy is deemed more toxic, he should be punished and not you). You BOTH should be punished if you both engaged in toxicity regardless of who is more severe than who. You are certainly entitled to your opinion and disagreement with it, but those are Rito rules and they will not be changing it anytime soon. Just like in real life when you go to work for a company or go to a public venue such as a restaurant or movie theater or a park, there are rules in place. You have the right to disagree with it, but you must follow it or GTFO. > Imagine an aram match and somebody says to go feed a specific poro to make it bigger, then you're in base and you reply "I'm coming to feed", this is the only thing the reviewers see and I'm pretty sure they'll immediately assume that you said that in allchat to the enemy team. There is a flaw in this logic/example. As noted above, chat toxicity is handled by the IFS. The IFS is only triggered by report. The IFS is not an automate system that auto scan your chat in every game looking for things to punish you with. No report = no review = no IFS = no problem. If someone told you to feed a poro and you said "I'm coming to feed", who the hell is going to report you for that? If no one report you, your chat will not be review. You will not be punished. You also forget that there is an additional safeguard for such low chance of a false positive happened. It's called a support ticket. While the IFS does not look at any other chat but your own, the support agent CAN look at the whole chat log and if you explained the situation that someone told you to go feed a poro and you responded with "I'm coming to feed", it is not hard at all for the support agent to see that and remove your penalty. And yes, the support agent CAN see if the text is made in /allchat or not. It will literally said (All Chat) in your log so don't need to worry about that. On the same rein as this example and with your point (4), while the IFS will not look at any chat log but your own. The option to submit a support ticket and request a human to review your punishment is always available to you. The support agent will always be able to see the whole chat log. You always have the option to plead your case with context and ask the support agent to read the entire game log. This makes your point (4) irrelevant.
: Just won a 4v5
woo! {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
LankPants (OCE)
: As far as anyone on the business side of Riot is concerned, the most important factor of success is revenue and the second most important factor is probably player counts.
While that is true, that also does not mean they are "the _**only**_ measurements of success"
: No, the enemy say "get out jungled" "you're bad" "better jungler win." That's when end of game I ask "what do better? still learning :)" they say "not exist." That should be enough to get banned. And "not exist" is on the same level as "kys" it just avoids ban triggers, but in context it's the same thing.
You may see it as the same thing as "kys" and we'll have to agree to disagree because I don't see it as on the same level. It's not positive or neutral, that's for sure, but should not be ZT either. Ultimately, what we feel how "not exist" should be treated does not matter. It is whether Rito sees it on the same level that's the ultimate decision. You asked why no ban? I offered you a _possible_ answer (because Rito does not treat it the same as "kys").
: See they say "this jungler is bad, out jungled." I say "I'm still learning :), what should I do differently next time?" They say "not exist." I say nothing. Report, but no ban? Riot why?
I'm not so sure "not exist" is on the same level as "kys". If that's the only thing they said that game, Rito has leniency for one or two mildly negative things that are not ZT.
: I... somehow kinda forgot all about the one threatening to int. Derp. If he has screenshots, both of them could be punished. Especially the guy saying he's going to int, as it seems like it's not the only time he's threatened to do it if he was so quick to jump to that. Also, and this is from what I've seen, anything that's on the ZT list is completely %'s out. I've only seen one word that's not fully censored, and I'm not sure if that one is on the ZT list.
ahhh I misread, it's person 4 that said the 5% thing. eh... forget what I said about person 3 above. It got me pretty curious about what that %%%%% word is though. I tried to think of a few nasty things but coming up empty. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
: I don't understand, you get flamed for sucking and you get flamed for asking advice?
I don't know what happened in-game, but I will say this. Just like the people who "give advises", it's in the manner of HOW you craft your message. "asking for advice" can take many forms. "I'm losing lane and I don't know how to deal with this aggressive Sion. Anyone know what I can do or help me release some pressure?" - generally people will not flame you for asking in this manner (that's not the same as never). "This Sion is always up in my face. What the fuck do you want me to do?" - sometimes people will not see this as "asking for advice" and more of you being defensive after losing your lane and might react negatively to it.
: I'd say yes, especially since they used hatespeech, but only if you have screenshots of it. Since you said you dodged, I'm not sure if Riot would have the pre-game lobby on record, so without screenshots I'm not sure Riot could do anything at all about it. You could still submit a support ticket even if you don't have screenshots and see what they tell you.
The question is did OP dodged because of person 3 or 4. I have a feeling OP didn't dodged because of person 3 flame, but rather because of person 4's threat to int. For person 4, I'm not so sure threatening to int will get you punished (because you haven't actually done the deed yet, which will then be gameplay offense). It is very negative thing to say for sure, but somehow I doubt a support agent will levy punishment on a dodged game off of that alone. ~~For person 3, I don't know what that %%%%% is. The board censor list is different from the game ZT list so it may or may not even be considered ZT by the game (sorry, I never bothered to look up the board censor list). If that %%%%% is not ZT, person 3 will probably not going to get punished for that dodged game either.~~
: I literally was in queue while banned. it was an auto ban. the reform card was just me telling trolls to stop being stupid and flashing into tower 1v3. no swear words or remarks at all. literally just said "don't dive stupid" if it wasn't an auto ban that means someone was monitoring my gameplay as it was happening
Sounds like it is for chat toxicity. Your gameplay is not taken into account for this punishment. You should post your UNEDITED, FULL chatlogs of ALL games on that card so we can see if it's false positive.
: Block your own chat
There should be an option to cripple team communication? I don't think so.
Terozu (NA)
: I had an inter in my game. Not 5 minutes after.
: PLAYING JAYCE ADC GETS YOU BANNED/
The title is so misleading. Playing Jayce didn't get you banned. Flaming got you banned regardless of what champ you play. Are there any other games on the report card? Is this log edited? Because I don't see this line or any mention of Blitz... > So I said "report this blitz" cus he was literally AFK typing You were flaming the yasuo. I don't think you can claim you were joking when your tone cannot be conveyed over text and if it looks like flame, sounds like flame, the IFS probably thinks it's flame.
: Is this ticketable? Or will I actually have to wait it out.
In case you don't know, if I (or anyone) in the same region as you (in this case NA), anyone can log into their client, look up your summoner name, find this particular match and download a replay of this game (ranked only). I watched the replay of this game in its entirety. At minute 18, you back into base and from minute 18 to minute 23 when the game ends, you stayed at base for 5 minutes repeatedly spam your abilities at base to try to circumvent LeaveBuster. Your other 4 teammates continued to play and fight 4v5 because you forced the game to end early. An intentionally feeding also includes intentional afk. You cannot try to deny this. I WATCHED the replay. I'm not using statistics or 3rd-party site. I WATCHED the actual replay and I WATCHED you sit at base for FIVE MINUTES spamming abilities and move around the base. If you get a real human, they will watch the same replay I did. I mean, who do you think you're trying to fool??? The fact you adamantly deny going afk is insulting to this board.
Mikie74 (NA)
: I mean, what's the point of wasting your time in a game, where people aren't going to make any improvement. why wouldn't you just sit at fountain? and I know i'm not the only person that feels that way, that's why people have that "open mid" response which is fine, even I think qtpie and Tobias fate just had a game like that where, qt feeds on Sona and blames Tobias lol
You do realize you are in the same ELO as your teammates correct? At some point, you'll need to let go of the illusion that your teammates are holding you back and start realize maybe YOU are the one that needs to improve.
Mikie74 (NA)
: Chat restriction/trying to communicate the problems
I noticed in my time on this board that people have a way of downplay what was said or done in the game. Even in real life, the way you COMMUNICATE to HELP someone makes a big difference in whether or not the person listen and accept what you said or tell you to fuck off. That has less to do with snowflake and more to do with the MANNER in which you communicate with that person. If you want to have a meaningful discussion, why don't you post the FULL, UNEDITED, COMPLETE chatlogs of all games in your report card.
: Accused of scripting. A compliment or problem?
Scripting or 3rd-party usage detection system is automated like LeaveBuster. I doubt it needs report to work like the IFS. If you use 3rd-party program to affect LoL gameplay in anyway, you'll be hit with a ban whether you get reported or not. If you are not already been detected to be scripting automatically (because you don't use it), 1000 reports on you are not going to make any difference, just like LeaveBuster or false report with the IFS. Also, I do like Chicken Nuggets.
: If somebody says k*s in champ select will the report be valid after the game ?
yes both pre- and post-game get scanned if reported.
rujitra (NA)
: Let's say there's 1000 players in a given players "match pool". Then they get blocked by someone else for no reason. That decreases it not just by the 1 player who blocked them but any players also in those matches. It is hard to explain, and I hope someone may do that for me, but the TLDR is that it has a domino effect that results in innocent players having longer queue times.
If matchmaking finds a good evenly matched MMR for both team. Say you queue'd up as an ADC and the person you reported queued up as a Support. The system will be unable to start that match. Now matchmaking will need to find another support of similar mmr to the one you cannot be matched with. That will takes sometimes and will have a chance to force someone else to auto-fill the Support role in order to start that match. You cannot simply swap that Support with the other support on the opposing team because the mmr of both supports may not be the same and that will cause an imbalance in both team. This alone will increase queue time for the 9 people in that match (you being part of the 9). Now, matchmaking will have to find a different 9 person lobby to put that Support person you blocked in which will increase queue time for that person as well (which may unfairly punished that person because your report may or may not even be valid). That's just the problem between the two of you. What if that problem propagate to half the player base reporting the other half. You'll never be able to find a balanced mmr team match for hours.
Görgoroth (EUNE)
: I can't stop inting.
You don't really need to wait for ban. You do have the option to submit a support ticket and ask for your account to be locked/banned. They will actually do it for you.
Kalikain (NA)
: Reporting players
It would create a massive amount of false reports fucking up the system just so people can manipulate matchmaking
: Teams
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/rant
Vallanos (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=hrooza dota ,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=VI4W0JfF,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-16T10:20:13.845+0000) > > you assume everyone who play this game think the exact same way and some sort of robots, players can tilt and make a lot of mistakes. > > and your example is pretty much that, some players dont even look at mini map often, some players are just so tilted they hard on a kill some players dont even know objective and think this is call of duty and some dont know what win condition is > > you see none of those break the rules because none of those are intentional until proven somehow that they were to make the team lose. > > and my definitions is not incorrect because if it was incorrect and yours was correct then riot will have easy time making an automated system that ban feeders , but thats not the case. > > > you can disagree as much as you would like too but truth is players can be bad and unwilling to learn, you cant shove it into their brains to play X style. I don't disagree that there are different methods of playing the game. There are a lot of variables and they all take place in a dynamic environment where conditions oscillate regularly. I am not suggesting that everyone should play the game like I do. I am only suggesting that people who refuse to take a few minutes to understand the basic mechanics of the game should be prohibited from participating in ranked. People who troll and intentionally feed, by my definition, should also be identified and restricted to blind and draft modes. Banning people for chat is not the solution. Banning people for refusing to cooperate, leaving the game or trying their best is more reasonable. You just suggested that people can tilt, make mistakes and fail to see a point that is superior to their own... you don't think it is possible for Riot to make the same mistake? Listen, if you are happy with the state of the game or perhaps you just aren't dealing with the same circumstances that I have been seeing.. either way then by all means you are entitled to your opinion. This game is fun to play when people are taking it seriously and there is a competition. It is not fun when a match is entirely one sided due to pugs making game conditions unplayable. There are other games I can switch over to when I grow tired of watching 'League of Legends TV,' as I like to refer to games that are so one-sided from so early in the game that there is legitimately no way to have any influence or play potential at all. Do I think that Riot is trying to figure out what they are doing? Yes. Do I think they have it all figured out right now? No. I think it is not a simple problem to address but more importantly than anything, I think addressing it by banning frustrated players who try to play the game competitively while rewarding trolls who instigate conflict and ruin games on purpose for their own amusement is objectively not the solution that will drive the company's sustained growth. But I am just a recreational leisure player in my spare time, so what do I know?
> I am only suggesting that people who refuse to take a few minutes to understand the basic mechanics of the game should be prohibited from participating in ranked. And that's what Iron IV is for. Ranked is nothing more than a game mode with a ladder system. Why should those casuals be blocked out of it? If they don't want to take the time to learn the game, they will be in Iron IV shortly. If you find yourself (you in a general term) in Iron/Bronze with them, that's not their fault. If you are better than them, climb above them. > People who troll and intentionally feed, by my definition, should also be identified and restricted to blind and draft modes. Ranked is just another mode with a ladder system. Why the hell would they be restricted to blind and draft modes to spread their toxicity there? They should be banned from ALL queues. > Banning people for chat is not the solution. Banning people for refusing to cooperate, leaving the game or trying their best is more reasonable. Refusing to cooperate....with who? There's no one who is assigned the team captain or team leader. Do you want to play a game where 4 people (might even be 4 pre-made) can force a 5th to play how they want to or risk being banned? Leaving the game is already being taken care of by LeaveBuster and that's a whole different discussion regarding banning afk. > You just suggested that people can tilt, make mistakes and fail to see a point that is superior to their own... you don't think it is possible for Riot to make the same mistake? "a point that is superior to their own"......according to who? If you are better than them, why are you in the same MMR as them? I'm beginning to see a pattern here. Play how I want or you are a troll mentality. > I think addressing it by banning frustrated players who try to play the game competitively while rewarding trolls who instigate conflict and ruin games on purpose for their own amusement is objectively not the solution that will drive the company's sustained growth. But I am just a recreational leisure player in my spare time, so what do I know? Being frustrated in the name of "competitive game" does not entitled you to be toxic. If you are not toxic, you would not be banned (you again being a general term). Getting rid of the toxic flamer who responded to trolling by losing control and spew toxic crap into chat where 3 or potentially 8 other people have to read is a good business solution. What do you know indeed.
: is it meta promo video ignored people still trolling
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/rant
: Sounds like you should be playing a single-player game. Why on earth would you get more LP per each win on a streak? Anything that artificially inflates LP screws up a ranked ladder.
because when you are on a win streak, your mmr will rise above your current rank. If your mmr is much higher than where you are now, you will be pushed by the system to higher ranks by gaining more LP per win and losing less LP per win (in some case outright skip divisions) until your mmr and rank catch up.
: I can see that simply banning players once isnt enough
Scarlesh (EUW)
: Because the troll was targeting me, specifically, inting my lane and ruining my gameplay experience. Am I supposed to keep playing with a kayn stuck to my hip and farming CS and smiting cannon minions and pretend he doesn't exist?
yes. then report him after game. You said it yourself. He is a troll. You never feed a troll because they are doing it for attention and you are gjving it to them. The troll didn't just ruin your experience alone. He ruined the experiences of your other 3 teammates too. But now not only are their experiences ruined by the troll, they also have to deal with a constant whiner/flamer that not only does nothing to help the situation, but making it much worse. That is why you are punished.
: Why is calling your teammates bad punishable but ""ggez" isn't?
usually ggez is only uttered once mainly at the end of the game usually calling your teammates bad doesn't really end at "you suck" (if this is all you said, it would be very difficult to be punished for it unless you do it every game). When someone call their teammates bad, they follow it up with 10+ other lines of similar flame/harassment/rank shaming/kda shaming.
roughvan (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=zPOOPz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PaJ1FxxE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-15T09:52:52.957+0000) > > griefing I don't think the system detects it? only if enough people report but he is with 2 friends, meaning only one player and me could report him unless someone from the enemy team also decides to report. He basically said that he doesn't care because it is flex and when i asked him why not go to normals, he said he likes to ruin promos for people, our adc was in promos.
your 1 report has the same weight as 9 reports. There is no need to have anyone else report that person. You can (and should) submit a support ticket detailing what happened. Take ss or link of the game so Rito can find it easier.
roughvan (EUNE)
: Trolls in flex
Scarlesh (EUW)
: And that's twice in a row now
Why do you need to call it out? Are the other 8 players playing that game literally blind? Why does it matters how many people agree to report him? 1 report = 9 reports as far as the reporting system is concern. How is Rito caters to these individuals? Look around the board. Inters get punished just like flamers. In the end, you should learn some self-control and take some responsibility for your actions instead of trying to find blame elsewhere.
: Losing full amount of designated LP from leaverbuster games
Because a ragequit is virtually indistinguishable from someone whose internet crapped out. Because it will be abused and increase toxicity to get teammate to go afk to save your own LP. Because statistically over a high amount of games played, you should GAIN lp from afk if you don't have a habit of afk yourself (at the very least balanced out gain/loss)
: > [{quoted}](name=zPOOPz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tptkYuIm,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-15T00:12:08.997+0000) > > Just because you can do it does not mean you should do it. You gave one of the reasons Rito shouldn't create a system in your post, ignore it, and say Rito should create such a system anyway without giving any solution to said concern. Imo The best ranking system would be done on a player by player basis. Taking into account how the player did that game rather than a team mmr. It punishs those who troll and helps carries who just cant win them all. Ie : cs,kda,vision score, map presence, objectives, etc. They already take note of how you preform for the grading system, why not give lp like that and take away lp for the feeders? Because even in losing games if you preform well it shows.
because it encourages massive selfish plays? cs - support going to need to start taking cs? Jungler needs to power farm and forget about ganking? Laners going to take every cs before going bot to join team fight? Split-pushing is new meta to farm LP? kda - if kda determins my lp gain/loss, I'm not picking any initiators or tank champ. Everyone going hyper carry and run from fights at the prospect of being killed and lose kda. If i'm positive in kda 2/0/1 and the game looks like we might lose, I'm going to start split-pushing or eat jungle camps to get as much cs as I can and try not to die until game is over. vision score - okay....so i'm going to have to fight my teammates to get that last hit on killing wards and just need to spam pinks pointlessly? Everyone get frostfang/relic/coin!!!! map presence - what does this mean? I just need to buy mobi shoes and run all over the map? ---- If you make lp about anything other than exploding the nexus, people are going to focus on that thing and abuse the hell out of it.
: Why do we have to lose LP for someone running it down straight out the game
Just because you can do it does not mean you should do it. You gave one of the reasons Rito shouldn't create a system in your post, ignore it, and say Rito should create such a system anyway without giving any solution to said concern.
Néékö (NA)
: And this post means they win... You know it's a zero tolerance word/phrase so why worry? Just report them and move on, they will have too work on another account. Letting some1 you'll likely never see just hurts you. Welcome to internet games.
: Can I get an outsider's opinion?
Just out of curiosity > NiceAesthetics: hmm another reason to ban for saying r%%%%% > Nic%%%%%hetics: i mean its not liked i got camped mid > NiceAesthetics: hmm its not like i got triple ganked What happened here? Is this copy-and-paste edited?
: nah i reported him for scritping and account sharing or something along those lines.
do you even get feedback at all normally for those kind of offensive? Have you reported anyone else in-game after that game with the Draven? It is entirely possible that feedback notice is not even for that game.
: support ticket and my post yesterday
Didn't know Draven has a fish skin... Likely the support agent look at the in-game report you file and manually review it or the IFS takes that long to get to that ticket or the feedback is for someone else you reported today and the draven with the fish skin got punished but you never got the feedback for it.
: gotta love when people ban your hover..
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y0r1ck (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=zPOOPz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=uBm72eF3,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-12T22:56:23.561+0000) > > It's going to have to be A LOT of "someones". That's the point I'm trying to make. If there is enough someones reporting it. That means the vast majority of the player don't want it in their games. So Rito will act on it just like they ban people for chat toxicity because the vast majority of player base don't want to be flamed. If people stop reporting people for flame, no one would be banned for chat toxicity because chat punishment is NOT an automatic system. no report = no ban. But that's not how it works with ZT words. It doesn't matter what percentage of the population finds ZT words offensive or reports their usage, if anyone reports the usage a ban is issued. Seeing how this is a substitute for ZT language, should it abide by the same rules or not? If it doesn't, then you'd be right that it depends on the number of people who report it. But if it does, then you'd be wrong and even if one person reports it, a ban is issued.
You are making a distinction of HOW it will get added to the ZT list. This is your title > Should Riot ban people for saying "keep yourself safe"? It is what I am discussing. Whether Rito "should" add it to ZT and ban people for it depends largely on the player base. If enough (majority of player base) players find it offensive (voiced via report function), Rito will ban people for it. If people rarely find it offensive (voiced by NOT reporting people for saying it), Rito will not ban people for it or feels the need to add it to ZT list. Why would they?
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