: Dodging idiots should not put you on a 5 minute queue delay
I guess they are the lucky ones who didn't have to play with you lol
: > [{quoted}](name=DBS Ronovon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ReErbEgT,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-24T00:50:00.032+0000) > > I have asked in a support ticket, and you know what they said? > > The same thing Umbral Regent said. > > Does that seem weird to you that I would ask years ago, and then today I get the same exact canned answer to my question? > These people are brainwashed Rito Cult Followers. They drank the Koolade. Its not weird. Its the information we have to go off of. We kinda believe it because of hundreds of posts from players. Theres degrees of belief, of course. Like, I'm about 90% sure, but that 10% conspiracy theorist in me, thinks theres a possibility they give you more chances due to spending vasts amounts of money. Its possible. But theres just so much evidence going against it.
But that 10% would go against the ever so popular conspiracy theory that RIto ban people to force them to re-buy everything? If Rito gives spenders more chances, then they wouldn't need to re-buy all those skins.... {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
: 2 players inted thinking it was going to be a remake
I would report the inters and keep on grinding. You pretty much have no other option besides giving up.
FAFade (NA)
: This is the worst community I've ever seen
If you are finding toxicity nearly as much as you claim, you might want to look into the common factor in all those games or raise your tolerance on what you perceived as toxicity
SCP 106 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=zPOOPz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YAIQ9sJz,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-23T20:02:36.763+0000) > > Which match history is this? I don't see it. > > You (general term you) can be 50/0/30 and still be a dick to your team. If you are getting flamed by everyone, maybe it is not so much about your K/D (not sure why people keep forgetting about the A), but more about your attitude toward your team. I didn't say a single word, and even if I took FLAMING to a whole new level of anger, it still doesn't affect skill, I said to explain how 14/9 is bad, and this account isn't the one I did the game on
Without any other contextual details (like a match history with other statistics or actual replay), how would I answer that question? If your k/d/a (don't forget that A) is something like 14/9/0, then that means you give about as much kills and you take. It means you are not participating in team fights or roam or you kill steal or who knows. Or it could means you spent the entire game split pushing and not helping with team fights and such. A simple K/D is meaningless to determine if you are "good" or "bad" without other details. If you took flaming to a whole new level of anger, it will affect at the very least your teammates' skill. They will unlikely be willing to work with you. Or they spend time flaming back or mute you. Unless you think you can 1v5 with that 14/9 k/d, you will likely want and NEED cooperative teammates yes?
: nobody said i was being mature i could care less to im playing a game for kids. I just want fair bans in the game.
so your title is misleading? Rito treated you like exactly how you acted.
SCP 106 (NA)
: 14/9, 8 towers, 2 inhibs, solo carrying team = worst kda with 2 trolls and an afk = "bad player" ??
Which match history is this? I don't see it. You (general term you) can be 50/0/30 and still be a dick to your team. If you are getting flamed by everyone, maybe it is not so much about your K/D (not sure why people keep forgetting about the A), but more about your attitude toward your team.
: i don't get your point. I was acting like an adult defending myself, I'm not gonna be bullied by children on a game.
I would hardly called how you acted in these logs how a real MATURED adult would defend himself. More like how a kid would counter-flamed.
: Who deserves suspension here?
is this the only game on your card? are there other game 1, 2, 3, 4, 5?
: i mean its not 100% intentionally feeding its just not 100% trying to win the game which is griefing in my opinion... you can't win a game if you spend more time dead than alive and for context that was a 26 min game so its ok to have 16 deaths which is one death every 1.62 mins... and the first 2 mins you literally sit around and do nothing so every 1.5 mins you have a death... seems reasonable no?
KD (and don't ever forget that A) alone is meaningless. https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3128629725/247945771?tab=overview Where do you want to draw the line at "reasonable"? A death every 1.5 minutes? A death every 1.9 minutes? Where do you want that line to be drawn?
: fun vs inting?
2-16 is not necessary 100% INTENTIONALLY feeding. Not sure why people always like to leave out the A in K/D/A. It could be 2/16/50 for all we know. Also depends on the length of the game. If it's something like 50 minutes game, 16 death is hardly uncommon especially if enemy has snowbally champ or if-she-sees-me-I'm-dead champ like Kat or LB. It could be real inting. Who knows. But saying someone goes 2/16 is meaningless without other context information to determine inting.
: Shame on you, fella!
It's not a total waste of time. If you are truly ticked off by someone and you want that person to be looked at my Rito, you can screen shot their information and send it to the people who can actually do something about it (not on this board)... https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us
Era Teemo (EUW)
: I just said punish and I should explain in little more details. Player could not ban others that is just too much power gained and would not work either. So, you can punish your game-mates (in ranked only), by playing bad and take their LP. Or you can reward game-mates by gaining them LP. game-mates: I have in mind teammates and opponents. For example: You win game and player 1 get 20LP. Player 2,3,4 thinks he performed bad and they take away 6LP. Players 5,6 thinks he performed good and give him /her 4LP. Player 7,8,9 did nothing. So player 1 gets: 20LP - 6LP + 4LP = 18LP
and it's entirely possible for player 1 to get: 20 - (6 * 9) = -34LP for a WIN???? {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
: > [{quoted}](name=zPOOPz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=pYiGUhBh,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-20T18:11:41.307+0000) > > try Live Chat how do i do live chat i was looking for something like that but havent found it
Live Chat is only available during business hours and only on weekday I believe. If you go to the support page during business hours (Pacific Time), the option should be available somewhere on the page. https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us
: why am i getting a 14 day suspension?
: ranked restrictions
It would not raise any fear. It would just be annoying for the sake of annoying. Nothing more. What's more is it would just add more to the whole "it's just normal" excuse to be toxic, but now it's more like "it's just normal. I'm only here to get my mastery so I can play ranked. idgaf if we lose". Terrible idea. This is hardly some new and innovative idea. It has been discussed to death for months/years.
Ceddie (NA)
: Did I get a 14-day suspension fairly ?
have you had a 25-game chat restriction before?
Tele II (NA)
: You could have a thousand dodges in a row, and still have not one player who dodged more than once. Everyone is allowed a dodge here or there. Sorry you got caught in a RARE bad streak of dodges. Not a big deal. But to be honest, we both know its your wife's fault, and what needs to be done now.
It is well within the realm of possibility of have the same player dodged 2, 3, 4+ times in your games if you have a thousand dodges in a row. That's hours and hours of re-making lobbies. Someone could wait out their dodge penalty and go into your lobby again and again and again to dodge. Realistically I'd have better chance winning the lottery (unless we're talking high diamond/master/challenger queue pool). But it is a possibility.... {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: As I post this, my immediate next game was a remake. Awesome!
You would rather wait a minute or two to get a new group or play with people who for whatever reason didn't want to play the dodged game? I suppose you'll come right back here to whine about too many trolls and afk in your games because people being forced to play games they are not ready for or don't want to play.
Alexis47 (EUNE)
: My friend's account got compromised by a noob scripter
I wasn't aware that scripting is a 14-day ban
ZaFishbone (EUNE)
: I almost always report that level of toxicity, and so should everybody else.
Meh, if it really was my fault, I don't get my feelings hurt over a simple "idiot" when I myself thinking I was an idiot for making bad plays, can't blame people for thinking the same thing I was thinking. If it goes beyond that once or twice name callings though, I would consider it harassment and report.
ZaFishbone (EUNE)
: Calling others idiots is definitely toxic.
Like I said, it really depends on if the people he/you played with find it offensive enough to report him/you. If I just made a bad play and cost the team the fight, someone or the team calling me an idiot would be okay with me. I would not report if that's just a once occurrence after it really was my fault. I would go "okay, fair enough. I was an idiot". The IFS is not actively scanning chat for offenses. If no one report, then your chat log is not reviewed. If you are not reported, you can be as "toxic" as you want.
: People: Real talk. How do you guys even manage to get banned?
Perhaps what you think is toxic is not toxic or perhaps the people you played with didn't think it was toxic enough to report you. As long as you are not reported, you can even throw as many slurs and hate speech as you want. No report = no IFS = no problem.
Zyniya (NA)
: Get it right! They need to be bans tho as they are now they are pretty pointless and I'm wondering how ANYONE ends with legit banned if this is all they do and I'm on my 4th in one season.
on the same account? if you say so...
Zyniya (NA)
: Weak "Chat Bans"
get it right! It's called "Chat Restriction", NOT "Chat Ban". Restriction means you can still chat, just not as freely.
Adea55 (NA)
: I main jungle to in low elo, take advantage of low elo and the fact that they hardly ward. once i found out that a laner doesn't ward i punish the living crap out of them by camping and going after them every time i pass the lane. and 8/10 times if u camp them enough they will afk. and then you have an open lane. ADD ME, IGN: ADEA55
Glîtchy (NA)
: can we add the option to filter out duos for ranked?
People will troll whether they are solo or duo. Splitting up the queue will make queue time increases for everyone and in some cases, not even possible to find a match for the very high elo duo.
Groot4Love (EUNE)
: Eternals Mottos
M & G?
DH Pix (NA)
: Please fix your stupid fucking ban system.
Let's get something straight. If you want Rito or people on this board to take you seriously, at least don't embellish your story. I just watched your replay. The kaisa and the brand failed to 2v2 all in the xayah and vel'koz at 3 minutes. That was a straight up fight. They lost. There's NOTHING intentionally feeding about that fight. Kaisa's 2nd death at 9 minute was under her own turret. She got combo'd by the vel'koz under her own turret. It's what vel'koz does. Those are her only 2 deaths. It's going to be quite difficult to make the case for kaisa intentionally feeding as you claimed. Now the part about her intentionally afk is quite true. It can be punished under trolling and griefing and intentionally trying to avoid LeaveBuster. Submit a support ticket and describe what happened. Don't try to confuse the issue and embellish your story by saying she intentionally feed. She did not. What she did was trolling and griefing and intentionally trying to avoid LeaveBuster. As for you, you flamed her, you whined, you had a negative attitude (one of the report category). There's really not much confusion over your own punishment if you have a history of toxicity and already had previous chat restriction and/or 14-day ban (depends on what type of ban this is, 14 or perma).
: A report notifies the IFS to look into a situation you've encountered in your singular game. Nothing more and nothing less. They just simply look into the case. As the IFS looks into the situation, it'll review the player's history and patterns of the player's previous reports. If consistency shows up in the reports, the player will get flagged. If the player caps the number of flags, then the player will reach a penalty tier. There are 4 penalty tiers in total. Run of out penalty tiers, then the player will eventually lose their account. That's all your report does. So don't expect everything to revolve around your particular report. The IFS only looks at the severity and consistency.
there are only 2 tiers for int/troll/grief/etc offenses described in the opening post
: Isn't there? I could've sworn I got one a couple of years ago? Maybe it was an old feature or I'm just completely wrog
There was a little warning pop up if you get reported too many times in a short period. This was back in the Tribunal era. The problem with the warning is that during that era, there was no way to verify if those reports are valid or not (until your case go to Tribunal to be judged). People who got the warning pop-ups freaked out and thought their accounts are getting banned. They flooded support tickets asking about the warning. Rito put a stop to that due to the confusion (because report =/= punish even in the Tribunal era). I honestly think such a warning pop-up could potentially work nowadays with the help of the IFS because Rito does have the capability that the Tribunal lacked to verify if reports against you are valid or not within short amount of time and warn you before you get to the punishment stage.
Nazgul10 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=zPOOPz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rYhs0n5u,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-16T14:50:54.749+0000) > > LeaveBuster system handles afk. It is a true automate system, meaning it doesn't need report to trigger. If you afk for more than 5 minutes, you immediately get hit with LB result in a loss for that game even if your team win. There is no need to report afk. LB punishes you with Low Priority Queue based on 3 tiers: 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 20 minutes. When you are in LPQ, you have to wait the prerequisite amount of time above. It's kind of like dodge timer, except LPQ forces you to have your client up waiting that required time and you have to click a ready check when the time if up (different than lobby ready check). If you fail the ready check, you have to wait the requisite timer again. 20 minutes LPQ is the maximum punishment LB can give out. However, if you consistently afk when at 20 minutes LPQ, you will eventually trigger a manual review that likely result in a 14-day ban and up to perma-ban. > > To be honest, afk and trolls exist in every single multi-player game in existence. They are not something exclusive to League and personally I don't feel they are any more or any less of a bigger or smaller problem than other games. All games are plagued with them and to ask Rito to 100% "fixed" this issue is an impossibility. No game can accomplished this. They are like cockroaches. You stomp on them, they just pop up and keep on trucking. > > Perhaps due to my willingness to write off a game as a loss (that does not mean I will troll or throw the game myself. I simply don't have much expectation to win), I don't really feel they are that big of a problem and I don't recall encounter that many of them in my games. Trolls simply a part of the internet itself. You cannot have one without the other sadly. I suggest you just accept. Try not to carry those troll games with you to the next game. This is the one advice we always spam on this board. Move on. Accept the loss. You WILL lose many games, troll or not. I know I will lose games countless games to them, as sad as it may sound. But at this point, I just want to defend anyone who gets flamed at because he's having a bad game, and possibly stop people from flaming in their games, as impossible as that may sound. Ever since a specific game 9 days ago, where I had an ADC have a bad game and the entire team flame him, I try to stop flame as much as possible. Also, I don't expect them to fix it 100%. It's impossible to silence trolls completely in any game even if it is made to evidently show when someone is trolling. But the amount of games I've lost to lack of care by my teammates is a bit annoying to be honest. It just makes me want to quit. I've never had any other game that makes me want to think that way, just League.
Have you played any other multi-player games for 7-8 years? (Since season 3 for you too right?) Specifically any other MOBA game where your win conditions 90% depends on the performance of your teammates. Perhaps it would be best to take a break from League for a little time? Come back with fresh perspective or you may find other games you enjoy more. The most important thing to note is that this is a game. To be played for fun. If you are not having fun, it's might be best to take a break.
Nazgul10 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=zPOOPz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rYhs0n5u,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-16T14:19:52.227+0000) > > I have played for thousands of games across ALL game modes be it co-op vs ai, blind pick, TT, Dominion, feature mode like urf, ascension, etc. and obviously ranked. My sample size if you add all of them up probably amount to somewhere close to 10k games. I have yet to encounter true afks and trolls for more than 3-5 games in a row. I do not believe it's even possible to have them for 10 games **in a row**, let alone 20. That's based on my near 10k game experience over 7-8 years of consistently playing League every season. > > If someone so unlucky to have afk and trolls for more than 3 games in a row, the best solution or advice is to log off and try again the next day, NOT using the self-mute button to keep going. Perhaps a better solution is for Rito to implement an in-client pop-up reminder that if you consistently felt the need to report people for 4,5 games **in a row**, the pop-up would advice them to retire for the day. Obviously something is bothering them for many games straight. Best solution is to stop playing for that day. Well, that was an unneeded exaggeration by me to say 20 games in a row. I should instead say that trolls and AFK's in general ruin the experience, at any given time, without them needing to be in a row. I don't know what the punishment for AFK'ing is, but if it's not a ban at some point it should be. One of the few reasons I got tired of the game is because I have to spend half my games calming my team down to not AFK so that we may get a chance to win. It burns you out after a while. I honestly wander how I haven't started flaming myself at this point.
LeaveBuster system handles afk. It is a true automate system, meaning it doesn't need report to trigger. If you afk for more than 5 minutes, you immediately get hit with LB result in a loss for that game even if your team win. There is no need to report afk. LB punishes you with Low Priority Queue based on 3 tiers: 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 20 minutes. When you are in LPQ, you have to wait the prerequisite amount of time above. It's kind of like dodge timer, except LPQ forces you to have your client up waiting that required time and you have to click a ready check when the time if up (different than lobby ready check). If you fail the ready check, you have to wait the requisite timer again. 20 minutes LPQ is the maximum punishment LB can give out. However, if you consistently afk when at 20 minutes LPQ, you will eventually trigger a manual review that likely result in a 14-day ban and up to perma-ban. To be honest, afk and trolls exist in every single multi-player game in existence. They are not something exclusive to League and personally I don't feel they are any more or any less of a bigger or smaller problem than other games. All games are plagued with them and to ask Rito to 100% "fixed" this issue is an impossibility. No game can accomplished this. They are like cockroaches. You stomp on them, they just pop up and keep on trucking. Perhaps due to my willingness to write off a game as a loss (that does not mean I will troll or throw the game myself. I simply don't have much expectation to win), I don't really feel they are that big of a problem and I don't recall encounter that many of them in my games. Trolls simply a part of the internet itself. You cannot have one without the other sadly. I suggest you just accept. Try not to carry those troll games with you to the next game. This is the one advice we always spam on this board. Move on. Accept the loss. You WILL lose many games, troll or not.
Nazgul10 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=zPOOPz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rYhs0n5u,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-08-16T12:52:40.359+0000) > > Considering I've been playing since Season 3 and haven't received so much as a warning let alone chat restriction, I've likely played with trolls, flamers, afk, inter, griefer, people who'd rather sit under their turrets and type than play the game, lane stealer, etc. etc. for hundreds if not thousand of games. I've always kept my cool. > > I'm not overly bothered by those types. I will win 40-60% of all games I played and I will lose 40-60% of all games I played. Those people are simply part of my 40-60% loss that I've already accepted as a fact of the game. No one can ever have 100% win rate over sufficient number of games over the course of the season. Why be bothered by trolls and inters and flamers, etc.? Once I've accepted that the game is a loss, why should I care what my teammate(s) does? It doesn't change anything. Mute, report, move on. Tilt-free. I've also been playing since Season 3 and have only gotten one ban 2 years back, in 2017. And I'm not talking about trolls in general, but times where you find AFK's and trolls for 20 games in a row. Sure, some people get through it, but many break at that point and start flaming.
I have played for thousands of games across ALL game modes be it co-op vs ai, blind pick, TT, Dominion, feature mode like urf, ascension, etc. and obviously ranked. My sample size if you add all of them up probably amount to somewhere close to 10k games. I have yet to encounter true afks and trolls for more than 3-5 games in a row. I do not believe it's even possible to have them for 10 games **in a row**, let alone 20 (it's not even healthy to play that many games within one day). That's based on my near 10k game experience over 7-8 years of consistently playing League every season. If someone so unlucky to have afk and trolls for more than 3 games in a row, the best solution or advice is to log off and try again the next day, NOT using the self-mute button to keep going. Perhaps a better solution is for Rito to implement an in-client pop-up reminder that if you consistently felt the need to report people for 4,5 games **in a row**, the pop-up would advice them to retire for the day. Obviously something is bothering them for many games straight. Best solution is to stop playing for that day.
Nazgul10 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rYhs0n5u,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-16T10:53:47.183+0000) > > The context that the toxic guy sees is that a teammate is griefing, he losses it and starts flaming the griefer. > > The context that Riot sees is that someone is either bad or having a bad game, and the toxic guy is flaming the poor guy trying to do his best to get back into the game but can't cos he's making poor decisions and even worse decisions than normal cos he's tilted. > > Context is indeed everything. But that's not what I'm trying to say. I'm talking about actual trolls and feeders. People who play and TROLL intentionally. How many games can anyone really go with a troll and keep his cool? 10? 20? 30+?
Considering I've been playing since Season 3 and haven't received so much as a warning let alone chat restriction, I've likely played with trolls, flamers, afk, inter, griefer, people who'd rather sit under their turrets and type than play the game, lane stealer, etc. etc. for hundreds if not thousand of games. I've always kept my cool. I'm not overly bothered by those types. I will win 40-60% of all games I played and I will lose 40-60% of all games I played. Those people are simply part of my 40-60% loss that I've already accepted as a fact of the game. No one can ever have 100% win rate over sufficient number of games over the course of the season. Why be bothered by trolls and inters and flamers, etc.? Once I've accepted that the game is a loss, why should I care what my teammate(s) does? It doesn't change anything. Mute, report, move on. Tilt-free.
: > [{quoted}](name=zPOOPz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=8fRRXOgA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-15T10:14:35.318+0000) > > Funny statistics is funny Sorry about your previous account. I know it feels pretty terrible when they get banned.
: Report Troll Players
https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us
: daezed is my only account
and this higher level one is.....not?
: ran it down, didnt listen to teammates advice and afks after the loss is garunteed
Low level accounts full of smurfs (which looks like you are one too). It's a very different kind of toxicity/beast down there where most smurfs couldn't care less about losing their very low level accounts. There are also possible true beginners mixed in with the smurfs who may had been frustrated after being stomped by smurfs and afk. I'm not trying to justify it. Toxicity is toxicity and it can be quite toxic down there I'll agree with you. It's also difficult to discern between "inting" and "I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, why is this smurf pubstomping me" when we're talking about level 3, 9, 13, etc. It's a known problem that's difficult to solve with Rito's free-2-play model and the drawbacks of restricting account creations. To answer your question in the opening post, try play on your main account...
: Int and AFK
I haven't looked at your match history, but I will make a bold assumption that you'll probably need to revise your definition of what "inted" means... If I am wrong, plz provide links to these 3 match histories IN A ROW
: > tyler 1 The only person in league history to be so toxic they got a personal all-account ban, and only had it overturned much later due to backlash from scared oxygen wasters? What a good example of a role-model! He is headed for another lifelong ban as soon as people forget. Also, you dont get to debate. They are no permban appeals, no fourth chances. Maybe you should have done that after the first restriction, instead of assuming the rules dont apply to you.
umm.... he is hardly the only person in league history that got an ID ban and then revoked. Jensen comes to mind long before t1 ever got his ID ban. There are others...
afmghost (NA)
: Toxic players: a process
D: mute ping abuser and just continue
: Its hilarious how easy it would be to fix league of legends
Its hilarious how easy it would be to fix this thread. Joke aside. Please break it up into smaller paragraphs so people can read and not get distracted by the wall of text.
: Oh I'm sure that's not what the "community" thinks. All it takes is for me to stand my ground for long enough before the mods do something regardless of whether or not I actually broke any forum rules. Mods are like police officers in mentality where they're just looking for an excuse to abuse power. Why would I believe that's any different in a community where people will unironically tell me that context doesn't matter?
Do you have any proof of this or we're still in pre-defensive mode? I'll repeat myself. None of your post violate any board rules so there's no reason to think the mods will do anything even if reported. Why the need to already go defensive when none of your posts are actionable?
SanZero (EUNE)
: who is "we" refer too exactly ... but I agree I didn't even know it was him
Well, you are using the generic "you" asking a question in your title. I'm using the generic "we" to answer your question. Not referring to any particular person or people.
SanZero (EUNE)
: So ... what do you want me to do ?
well, we kind of want you to not accept friend request from people who try to add you "after he trolled a game"
: You don't know what the word "context" means, do you?
and you are not getting that people keeping you "context doesn't matter" are you?
: With all the people whining about "toxicity" resembling what you'd see on NeoGAF I'm more inclined to believe the people complaining about this on the forums than anyone else especially with how wonky and sporadic reporting is. Hell, I'm pretty sure I'll get some kind of warning or temp ban just for defending this guy. When that happens will you believe that the problem is the system and not the "toxicity"?
No need to go pre-defensive. You did not break any board rules. I don't have the slightest clue what is a NeoGAF so your reference is falling on deaf ears.
: The point is to show that it's illogical to assume he's actually using it in a genuinely racist manner if he's black especially when black people have taken to reclaiming the word to take the power back from it thus radically changing the context.
The term itself is racist no matter how it's used. That is the point.
: The problem isn't just the person retaliating being reprimanded. It's the person who started shit in the first place getting off scot free. This is a phenomenon that use to happen on NeoGAF and probably happens on ResetEra that made it hell for users to express themselves.
> It's the person who started shit in the first place getting off scot free. You don't know that. No one knows that... For starter, you don't always get notification of someone else's punishment. Secondly, you do not know anyone account's toxic history so you don't know if their punishment is even warranted or if they simply got chat restricted or not. And thirdly, unless you experienced it yourself, you also only have a 1-sided story when reading this board whether the other people really did started anything to begin with.
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