: Boards: "Riot doesn't post as much on the boards as they used to"
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Monlyth (NA)
: When I'm jungling and the 0/3 enemy laner asks if I'm going to gank them again
Toxic teammates when you ask for a leash be like; https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BruisedElementaryBedlingtonterrier-size_restricted.gif
: I'll take your entire stock
Got the meme to 44 upvotes! {{sticker:sg-kiko}}
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gileskd (NA)
: im confused why mute all? just disable all chat {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
That's what I was trying to say, mute all-chat not mute ALL chat. Must've come out wrong
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Falrein (EUW)
: {{champion:28}} is a virgin.
: I was so tempted to vote for the candy trist for that smug lil smile but demon just looks too badass. I don't even play trist LOL sorry not sorry
Demon Trist Be Like: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/193/746/1b2.png
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Horızen (NA)
: Yes, people have the right of speech, but there is always a time and place for it. Can you imagine what would happen to an employee who starts a cat fight with a customer? Even if the employee did not initiate it, he still joined in and unless it’s under the pretense of self-defense, that employee is facing an almost guaranteed job cut. Had he used his own personal account to make such a tweet? Fine, though it would still reflect poorly on him. But because he used his employee Twitter account, he not only represents himself, but Riot the company as a whole. Sure there are a ton of hate posts, but it's still Riot's job to listen to the community, as that's the whole reason for League Boards in the first place. Simply turning a deaf ear to complaints is terrible customer service and a sure-fire way to shoot yourself in the foot, not to mention unacceptable business behavior. There is a saying that says to treat customers like gods, and while I don’t think it’s entirely true, I believe they should still be treated with respect - no matter how much of an a$s they’re being. Riot’s best and only options are attempting to listen and de-escalating situations. Insulting the players is unprofessional and immature, even if the players themselves are in the wrong. At least acting like their opinions are valued and considered can do much for nearly any circumstance, but Riot has pretty much just thrown the towel at this point. I rarely see Rioters on Boards and when I do, it’s always the same 2 people. This doesn’t mean that Riot specifically has to do what people say, but they should at least respond where possible. Ignoring players’ complaints just increases their frustrations as their opinions are ignored and only serves to worsen their mentality towards the game. I do realize much of what is on Boards constitutes to hate posts that are just players raging about one thing or another, but in the midst of all that there are still many people who actually care and are trying to actively improve the quality of the game. It’s not fair that Riot is ignoring them purely based off their own image of League Boards as a whole, and not as the multiplayer platform it is. To put it in a different light, it’s like looking at Ted Bundy and saying all of humanity is sh¡t. Every person has their own standards, Riot turning their backs on that is wrong. All I’m saying is maybe if Riot tried to put more effort towards the players, it’d likely reduce the amount of hate posts and give off an image of a company that actually _cares._ What this guy posted on Twitter is the exact opposite of that and if Riot supports that.. it says quite a lot about them as a company - and nothing positive either.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what I think your getting at is the idea of "the customer (or I guess in this case the poster) is always right" But the problem with this is that you are giving protection to people who do not desire it. Yes, the boards where created to give players a place to give feedback, but when the majority of that "feedback" is "I DON'T LIKE THIS CHANGE, X SHOULD BE FIRED!" or "RITO SUCKS REEEE!" can you really blame Riot for not liking what the Boards have mutated into? What you are suggesting is that the boards is completely innocent in this encounter, and that the big bad RiotAugust's comment was completely unjustified. Which, no offense, is a pretty self-entitling claim. And to quote your own post; > Yes, people have the right of speech, but there is always a time and place for it Has riot fucked up in the past, yes, there was the PAX incident, Prestige Skins, the whole paying for missions shitstorm, and so much more. Those are justified times to hate Riot, but the fact that most posts on the boards are spewing "FUCK RIOT" 24/7 no matter what they do (seriously, Riot could start a charity to save war-orphans and the boards would still be telling them to shut their doors) shows that the majority of the boards is not innocent in this whole "controversy" if you want to call it one. I think the problem with your argument is that you are portatrying the boards as this innocent bystander and RiotAugust just started attacking them out of the blue. Which is not the case, that tweet he made was probably in response to the consistent "FUCK RIOT" attitude the boards have shown for a very, very, long time now. I think this whole incident is telling that some people in Riot are starting to get real tired of the board's shit. That being said I will admit that it was unprofessional for RiotAugust to be so vague with his statement, though I would assume me means the constant toxicicty on the boards is the "useless" part. But I could be wrong.
: Inb4 R107 Games
King Zeus (EUNE)
: [+1] High Noon Sylas
ITS TWELVE O' CLOCK! Jokes aside, this looks nice!
: Oh boy another Rito apologist
Oh boy another ThEBoArDsCaNDoNoWrOnG advocate
Midg3t (EUNE)
: Let's stop pretending like Riot isn't at fault here shall we? There are a lot of reasons why Boards are harsh towards Riot and I'll just name a few: **Outside of the game** - Sanjuro fiasco - Pax fiasco followed by DZK's tweets - The most recent one, Vaevictis situation - and if I remember correctly, some1 posted a lawsuit document here which, besides some "toxic masculitnity" enviroment bs, mentioned that some1 on the lead position at Riot ALLEGEDLY sexually assaulted female employees (don't take me for my word here, I'm not sure about this myself, all allegations) This alone would be enough to give a bad rep to any other company and honestly deserves all the hate it got. **Inside of the game** - balance issues - broken mechanics - something that was obviously broken and was adressed by the community before it even got relased on live servers (Akali W, Irelia, Zoe...) needed a long time and shitton of "bitching" before Riot actually took care of it But the most important thing that's a problem here: LACK. OF. COMMUNICATION. Lemme ask you something. When was the last time you saw any Rioter ACTIVELLY communicating on Gameplay/Gameplay+? Have you ever seen a Rioter coming on Boards and asking "Yo guys, how do you like recent balance changes/reworks? What do you dislike about them and how should we change it?" And yes, i know there are ocassional Meddler's posts but imo, he only talks about what they're planning to change, but doesn't listen to player's feedback on those changes. It's okay form of communication, but not the one we need. And the fact that they CHOOSE not to communicate on Boards, but instead go on Reddit/Twitter is honestly like a slap in the face. Why should I, or any1 else, make an account for a third party site to talk to developers of a game which already has it's own forum? I agree there are a lot of toxic posts/comments against Rioters, but honestly can you blame the Boards for that? After being unsatisfied with the game, and despite all the feedback, they're being ignored for so long, I'm not suprised by the behaviour of Boards. If Riot wants us to be "useful" then they need to start from themselves. Start talking to us. Be active on Boards, start disscussions about the game, and be involved in other player's disscussions. Encourage constructive feedback, and actually listen them and take criticizm, no matter how harsh it is, into consideration. And other Boards users will be inspired to do the same. And sry if I made any typos, english is my 2nd language :P
I do agree that Riot needs to communicate more with the boards, but I can understand why they are always hesitant to. Sure there are posts that actually have constructive criticism that Riot needs to hear. But the only problem is that those posts are drowned in a sea of super toxic posts that get no one anywhere. A perfect example of this is CertainlyT, personally I really, REALLY, don't like the champs he makes. That being said with the amount of posts calling for him to be fired/quit/kill himself whenever he relies (or heck, even is rumored to be releasing) a new champion is frequent, its no wonder he almost never posts on here anymore. You are correct that part of the toxicity is Riot's own fault, but its also partly the boards for letting things get so out of hand, to the point where Rioters and even mods don't feel welcome. Also your English seems fine to me :)
: Lol, what controversy? Many people on the boards actually agree with him.
Put "controversy" in quotes for a reason lol
: Tbh anytime i get on the boards it's just some complaint of the week. Typically over something small, sometimes it's big tho. For instance the Kayle armor problem. However when they say Yasuo is unbalanced or (blank) isn't how I think it should be it gets kind of old. Def when there isn't any solution really. Just a place for people to voice opinions, and let's all be honest it was unprofessional, but anyone could say that about this situation. So the cycle is gonna just continue in like, a day or two. It's whatever.
> So the cycle is gonna just continue in like, a day or two. It's whatever. That's what I'm saying. Some people think "oh this is the first strike of the war between Riot and the Boards" (on the note Riot could just delete the boards whenever they feel like it so that war would be over really quick but whatever), but those people are just creating something out of nothing so they can farm upvotes.
: Y'all call for the firing and lynching of these designers every other week and then get offended when they don't want to visit the boards... It's not his job to like the boards, and he can say whatever he wants. He's not insulting men or calling everyone stupid or causing a scene. This is just his opinion. There are tons of avenues where RiotAugust gets professional, constructive feedback, he does not need the boards. Honestly, for how much y'all talk shit you're extremely sensitive to a guy saying... Wait for it... He doesn't really like the boards the... Stay with me... That much.
> Y'all call for the firing and lynching of these designers every other week and then get offended when they don't want to visit the boards... Ironic isn't it?
: How to piss off EVERYONE
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: People get so offended these days...
Yeah this is really a case of people being able to dish it but not take it ya know what I mean?
: I'm not offended! I knew it was a joke haha; I just wanted to clarify for anyone who may not have known that (as we're mistaken as Riot employees a lot). <3 No offended or confused Herald's here.
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Naalith (NA)
: I don't think that people should attack developers personally, and I really like August both as a designer and from what I've seen of him as a person, but the concentrated rage of the boards DOES show something about the game. The official League boards are, of course, the place where there will be the highest concentration of people who are passionate about the game. The people here don't only like the game and have a passing interest, they're invested in League of Legends and want it to be the best it can be. There's heated debates about -5 damage and shit like that which seems trivial but the fact there is a lively and sometimes hostile discussion shows how much people care here. So what does the highest concentration of League enthusiasts always being mad about the game show? It shows the game isn't in a good place. I can't queue for a normal game in under 5 minutes **ever**, and I regularly go over the 10 minute mark. I feel like I'm wasting time playing the game I love because so many casual or even previously hardcore people have been driven away by the abyssal state this game has been left in for years now. My choice is to play ranked, which I absolutely despise, wait an eternity to play normals (and since it takes so long, it just randomly assembles various skills of people from silver to diamond and the game is super one sided and sucks ass), or simply... not play. Get an Apex, go play single player stuff, go rewatch a show I like or whatever. I don't like my go to hobby being a ghost town where the remaining people are angry and toxic all the time, but that's what it feels like. What I'm trying to say is yes, August has a point and the vitriol against Rioters is insane, but people are only mad because they care. The reason lore Rioters show up to the forums all the time is because they are usually met with positive response, even if occasionally there is a big backlash over stuff like the recent Demacia timeline rewind and Kayle's personality. I imagine that balance Rioters get pissed because everyone is going berserk telling them how to balance the game when the finance department at Riot basically forces them to balance around pro play and leave a steaming shit show for the rest of us. Like obviously as individuals they shouldn't be harassed, but on a game-wide basis there is MAJOR work that needs to be done to make the game fun to play again, not just to watch.
You do have a point of "people are mad because they care", there are plenty of posts of people who actually care about the game and want things to improve. But for every one of those type of posts you get ones where for example; "I GOT DESTROYED BY X IN LANE ONCE, THIS GAME IS GARBAGE AND Y SHOULD BE FIRED AND I'M QUITING!" (I've been guilty of this one in the past) I feel like there are a large amount of people on the boards who are either 1. Angry just to be angry For example, awhile back I saw some people posting about Frozen Mallet Yasuo being broken. BUT after it was nerfed those SAME PEOPLE where whining about how Yasuo top was unplayable. I mean how Two-Faced can you get? That's just bitching just for the sake of bitching. 2. Upvote farm posts Some people make posts about how broken Yasuo is or how Riot sucks in every way shape and form not because they actually care, but because they'll get a bunch of upvotes by doing it. I think August was angry with these people, but because he didn't really explain it well I just lumped all board posters together. Also, not to come off as rude, but personally, do you think you're just bored of League, burnout happens to everyone eventually me included. That could be another factor but who knows?
: I mean sure, they would have it correct that *most* of the boards are likely "useless," since most of the posts here are just filled with venting about the last champion that wrecked them in lane, or calling for the balance and rework teams to be fired etc. However, at the same time, there are a lot of *actually constructive* posts on this forum as well. For example, the recent posts about how the Kayle VGU looks. Sure, a lot of the posts can be boiled down to "omg I don't like this the designers should be fired REEEE," but there are a lot of positive and constructive criticisms into what people liked about Kayle's old look. Then a lot of posts have edits (like [this one](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/O2WNOHzo-here-are-my-edits-for-kayles-base-visuals) for instance) that compromise between the old and new, giving her the sleeker, "squishier" appearance that Riot wants, while also giving her some more of her old design, and making her move away from the standard body suit look she has going at the moment. Now here, we have the usual people who just shout toxicity at him, like "how could he say that! he should be fired!" But then we also have the people who prefer a more constructive argument hurt because their posts on the boards are also getting lumped in with the "useless" ones, with August just implying that the boards *as a whole* are useless, and not just the unconstructive posts :/ Just adding my two cents. Interpret it in any way you want I guess. However, I do agree that this *really isn't that big of a deal*, and people will forget about it in a few days, so is there even a point to this? XD
As I've stated in some other responses, you are correct it's a little unfair for me to look at the boards as a hivemind that only think one thing. But I think that August (and me to some extent) has just gotten really frustrated with the majority of the boards negativity. I mean if you look at the main page you'll usually see one or two contrsuctive critisims pieces that are actually well thought out. But they'll be drowned in a sea of "I DON'T LIKE THIS CHANGE X SHOULD BE FIRED!" "THIS IS MY ESSAY ON WHY I'M QUITING AND WHY RIOT IS ACTUALLY SATAN!!!" "I SHOULD BE UNBANNED EVEN THOUGH I'M A TOXIC SHITBAG!!" I think August was just frustrated with _that_ (Much Darker) side of the boards that rears is ugly head way more than it should in my opinion. Could he have been more precise with **WHAT** about the boards he thought was useless? Yeah probably. But I think the big message that everyone on the boards should take away from this is that some people at Riot are starting to get real tired of the some of these circle-jerky hate boner posts. And though I don't like to think this way, Riot might actually do something drastic with the boards if things don't change soon. Just my two cents, but that might be getting into fear-mongering accidentally there at the end.
: > Is this part of an extended plan by Riot and those darn dirty mods to wipe the boards from existence? No Just to clarify for others; moderators for the Boards are not Riot employees, and we manage the boards with Keyru's (a Rioter's) oversight. However, we are volunteers, and we try to make the Boards a better place simply because we love the community and want to foster it. I think this is a small part of why so many people got upset; a lot of the community wants the Boards to be better, but even us volunteers can do so much, y'know? The Boards aren't perfect, but it also isn't all bad.
The "darn dirty" part was just a joke I swear! {{sticker:zombie-nunu-tears}} I thought I kept the separation clear with the "Riot _and_" part, but I guess I should've done a better job. But seriously I really appreciate all the work y'all do to try and make the boards a better place, didn't mean to offend or confuse.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=zeskgames,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=EEn2XxOJ,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-23T23:04:46.175+0000) > > Well I do agree he was a vague, and vague statements are very, very dangerous. (For example some vague bible passages where used to justify slavery, there's your not-so-fun fun fact of the day). However, I think he was just frustrated with the consistent negative attitude towards Riot shown on the boards. Now I don't think that everyone on the boards posts this way but there is a vast majority of posts made by a large group of different people (me included occasionally, unfortunately) on the boards that are all constantly saying some form of "FUCK RIOT" and that can be very disheartening and frustrating to someone who is a part of Riot. That's what I think August was getting it at. Could he have elaborated a little? Yeah probably. Was it the best way to vent off frustration? No. But it shows that some people at Riot are getting _real_ tired of the Boards' attitude, which is something those toxic members of the community should really think about. Those that are really toxic, and not just unhappy by some of Riot's decisions will not understand that. But, since mods need to actually describe to us what's considered toxic here (and stop punishing innocent posters), we are not getting rid of those people soon.
I was talking with someone else about something similar to this in terms of toxicity on the boards. I think what we need is a clear list of "dos and don'ts" if you will for the boards. Especially in the gameplay section. This will help root out the toxic posters that just post "FUCK RIOT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" 24/7 and help foster an environment of actual informed and civilized discussion about champions and game balance.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=zeskgames,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=EEn2XxOJ,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-23T22:44:47.428+0000) > > You should tell that to the people getting in a fuss about this whole incident, if you can even call it one. Well, can you really be surprised? He didn't state why he doesn't like boards, he just said we are "useless". Besides, he's one of the faces that the community recognizes. He cannot act like that, because he represents the whole company. Why do you think he deleted that tweet?
Well I do agree he was a vague, and vague statements are very, very dangerous. (For example some vague bible passages where used to justify slavery, there's your not-so-fun fun fact of the day). However, I think he was just frustrated with the consistent negative attitude towards Riot shown on the boards. Now I don't think that everyone on the boards posts this way but there is a vast majority of posts made by a large group of different people (me included occasionally, unfortunately) on the boards that are all constantly saying some form of "FUCK RIOT" and that can be very disheartening and frustrating to someone who is a part of Riot. That's what I think August was getting it at. Could he have elaborated a little? Yeah probably. Was it the best way to vent off frustration? No. But it shows that some people at Riot are getting _real_ tired of the Boards' attitude, which is something those toxic members of the community should really think about.
: I mean I like the Boards as everone can see for how active I'm here but I cant do anything but respect the rioters that call this place a shithole But hey, it's *our* shithole
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GreenKnight (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=zeskgames,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=EEn2XxOJ,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-02-23T22:36:16.196+0000) > > You do make a fair point, it is a little unfair of me to think of the boards as a hive mind. But you can see the irony of the same people who call Riot useless on the reg' getting offended by someone from Riot calling _them_ useless right? That's the main point I was trying to make, I was trying to expose and poke fun at the irony of those toxic individuals on the boards getting mad over someone at Riot getting tired of their toxic bullshit and calling them out for it. Are some people like that? I'm sure you are right in this regard. But, i don't believe that those who hate Riot actually care about what reds think about this place. They drop once, or very rarely, cry about how Riot is bad, and then they either get moderated, or simply leave by themselves. Besides, i will sound a bit harsh, but if you can't take some criticism and trolling, i don't think you should have a social media account.
> Besides, i will sound a bit harsh, but if you can't take some criticism and trolling, i don't think you should have a social media account. You should tell that to the people getting in a fuss about this whole incident, if you can even call it one.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: Because being critical is bad. It's better to sit on reddit where everyone praises EVERYTHING you do, right?
: If they think the boards is useless then it's up to Riot to fix it, not insult the people that do use it. The boards are run almost entirely by volunteers and it's a massive slap in the face to those people.
That's definitly a way of looking at it. Personally I think he was mostly talking about the toxic posts that are a constant problem on the boards, but that's just my interpretation. Vague language is real dangerous people!
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: You and August are both regarding boards as one mind. That's simply not true. There's tons of people with different opinions, and not everyone is screeching at riot for doing something. For example, i fucking hate reworks, and i believe they are the result of a stupid design. But, i don't call for anyone to be fired for them, and i don't insult individual devs for making something i hate. I can give praise too. For example, when turret plating was introduced, and was balanced, i really liked that Riot added them to the game, and i voiced my positive view on them. What i'm trying to say, is that people should stop treating boards as a whole, and rather like community with different thoughts and musings.
You do make a fair point, it is a little unfair of me to think of the boards as a hive mind. But you can see the irony of the same people who call Riot useless on the reg' getting offended by someone from Riot calling _them_ useless right? That's the main point I was trying to make, I was trying to expose and poke fun at the irony of those toxic individuals on the boards getting mad over someone at Riot getting tired of their toxic bullshit and calling them out for it.
: This is probably wrong to say among the majority of boards userbase but I think August is 100% right
I agree with some parts of this but not all of it (For example I do think that "katana man bad" lol, but that's a discussion for another day). But other parts I agree with, especially harsher regulations on the gameplay section of the boards. I think there are a lot of people on the gameplay boards that post well thought out, non-biased, criticism and suggested changes to characters and game mechanics. The only problem is that those well thought out posts get drowned out in a sea of "X is broken REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" style posts that take no effort to make and get tons of upvotes. And since the only thing that most people who post those "REEEEE" style posts care about is upvotes, it incentives them to keep feeding into the circlejerk for the free attention. There needs to be some kind of system put into place to filter out the REEE posts to make room for well thought out constructive posts. I think that's what Gameplay+ was supposed to be but it kinda flopped on its head. So I don't really have any ideas on what to do there.
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: Nice meme
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: Hard disagree. He was the original villain. He was the ultimate evil guy. Then his story developed over two sequel movies, where he ultimately tried to atone for what he had done. Then loads more stories built out the depth. Then the prequels, etc etc. So. Was Darth Vader good or evil? Discuss.
Well as long as you aren't a part of the "Griffith Did Nothing Wrong" Camp then your fine with me.
: For a champion with a splash art that doesn't make you feel like it's from Leagues early days
: > [{quoted}](name=zeskgames,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=Z7fkyXqM,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-08T22:44:05.308+0000) > > OP: Uses Castlevania memes > Me: > https://media1.tenor.com/images/3a12c9be8f42f728303627ec10110332/tenor.gif?itemid=9255625 > > Edit: Why don't gifs like me? https://i.giphy.com/media/gkAiBP0Nvd1JK/giphy.gif?cid=3640f6095c5e083f594472316fefeb0b Here's a version of that same GIF from GIPHY. Let's see if it works. But in response: https://preoccupiedwitharmitage.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/belmont14.gif
: "I'm gonna go refill my mana, be right back. Don't do anything crazy..."
OP: Uses Castlevania memes Me: https://media1.tenor.com/images/3a12c9be8f42f728303627ec10110332/tenor.gif?itemid=9255625 Edit: Why don't gifs like me?
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: WHITE TEXT OVER WHITE BACKGROUND also this "meme" really isnt that funny, if you even wanna call it a meme
Well, it ain't much, but it's an honest meme
iiGazeii (NA)
: Game: Change a Champ's role by reworking one ability
Jokes aside that Sol change sounds really fun.
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Jamaree (NA)
: Same tbh, I liked URF right until people forced a meta around it.
I definitely understand that, URF was a fun game mode until people got too competitive about it. But you know what they say "as long as the goal is winning, people will always find the most efficient way to do so"
: Riot doesnt really suck, but after so long not changing damage or making tanks viable again its really hard to beleive that they are gonna do something different now. Hell maybe they are gonna give zed shields each time he casts shadows. Maybe vayne gets true invisibility time based on her true damage. Maybe yasuo heals for projectiles blocked by windwall, and his e resets his sheild. Maybe heircam gets warwick speed boost on low health enemys too. Maybe an item called NIGHT PROWESS will give bonus percent health damage, as well as raising true damage by 50%. Cant wait to see riot make decisions like these.
Isn't Warwick's whole passive, and some could argue whole kit, about getting speed boosts near low health enemies? Edits: Read the sentence wrong lol
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: I own three of the ultimates o.o.....
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