Th3Outsider (EUNE)
: Kda evelynn
You can get prestige skins from chests...?
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STEG0 (NA)
: I don't know how you do it, I main Lux support and just seeing Lux will about 1/4 of the time tilt the ADC to throw the entire game in a supernova of question mark pings, all chat spam to report me and lectures on how she isn't a support. If Lux is banned I play MF support and that's like an 80% to do the same.
Lux support is valid (although annoying and I personally don't like it because she doesn't bring anything truly unique that another champion doesn't do better), but MF support dominated Worlds a few years ago, so anyone who tries to tell you "she isn't a support" should just shut their mouths and go back to feeding like the noobs they are. Although she was mainly used as a direct hard counter to Zyra support and doesn't fit every situation.
solopolo3 (EUW)
: I mean, anivia support's been a thing for years now. You can play literally anything in support and if you're good enough it'll work. You don't _need_ a specific champion to play the role well. I've done talon, irelia, lee sin, akali, zed support. Shit, my favorite support to play with as adc isn't even a real support, it's nautilus.
Um... Nautilus has mostly been a support pick ever since shortly after his release, when people decided he just didn't work as a jungler.
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: Please, Invictus Gaming, give one of the worlds skins to Camille!
It's absolutely guaranteed that IG Camille will be the jungler skin. Of the others I can't say for sure, but I'm betting on IG Kai'Sa (even though she's just getting 2 K/DA skins). JackeyLove DUMPSTERED that last game.
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Azadethe (NA)
: Here's my opinion on Elo hell. Yes. It Exists. But it doesn't exist because of matchmaking per say. It exists because at low elos, the range of ranks allotted into one player group is so large. For example, If you are Silver V, you can get between Bronze V and Silver I on your team. When you have 1-2 Silver I's on your opposing team and several very low bronzes on yours, the probability is very high that you have teammates who don't kite, don't respect dangerous champions, don't ward, listen to advice, lose 3/4 of the CS that comes down their lane, don't know champ mechanics, and generally don't care, or are just so toxic that they contribute to their own low rank more with their mouth than their play. And, those Silver I's are often disgraced Golds who are generally technically skilled, so those Bronze lowbies snowball the game. The probability of this occurring at low elos is just so frequent. I generally play non carry champions who "carry" by being the team support or a tilt proof jungler/counterpusher, so when I start a new account and get trolled in my placements by 3 mid lane int feed runners, I start at this elo. The scenario above happens with such frequency that you have to learn to cope with the idea of almost never having an easy game, unless you want to smurf on a hyper carry, and even losing with a 20/0 Katarina or a 7/1/34 Nami. I mean.... a 20/0 Katarina tells you something if you lose: It means the opponent was so mechanically poor they couldn't CC Kat, and Kat always knew how to get out, and calculated the risk of every engagement well. If all those factors are applied to her team and they still lose, it suggests some insidious team selection, where the skill level of the Katarina is FAR greater than the people she is getting placed with. {{champion:267}} has been a main of mine for 5 seasons, and when I play it at low elos, I usually don't even buy {{item:1001}} because I have near perfect aim, get my CDR built up very early, and generally never run out of Mana on my build. I use my skills to move around instead of boots, because her passive just adds so much move speed. This allows me to get items quicker, and perma sustain my teams, as well as lock in otherwise precarious kills/assists. I generally die less than TWICE, do 25k + Damage, 35k+ heals at low elos. That's nearly double what other Namis at the elo do. ~ 40 wards, 40-90 cc scores, etc. My most recent game WAS 7/1/25, followed by 4/1/20, 0/1/13, 4/2/12, 5/4/28, 9/8/28, 1/3/28. The 9/8/28 I was 1v1ing a smurfing 1 shot {{champion:142}} and continually dominating her with Nami built {{item:3065}} {{item:3040}} {{item:3174}} {{item:3111}} {{item:3165}} {{item:3504}} . She could sleep me 50% of the time, do her combo, and I could heal right out of it every time, while I hit every skill vs her, and killed several times, timed R's with when she was about to kill teammates of mine, knocked her up mid paddle star into a bubble a couple times. Just a generally fun game, trolling the crap out of a Zoe who knew how to play her. But.... {{champion:267}} isn't a hard carry. She might not personally feed, might personally be a cc and ward machine with a 70% kill participation, but if her team is absolute Bronze gutter, she still loses. If she were to say..... outright carry 50% of games, she might "save" another 8-10% margin if played by a pro at her. Hyper carry means win 80% with something like {{champion:238}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:121}} I do wish Riot would reduce the brackets at low elos to ~2 ranks from you rather than 5 ranks from you. A Silver V shouldn't be placed with random Silver I and Bronze V, because Silver V suggests they at least know some of the game, whereas B V is a catch all for people who obviously don't. A Gold IV who has a 60% win rate shouldn't continually be placed on a team with Silver II's while his opponents get low MMR Plat I's. The Silver II might have a high MMR for being Silver, but he's still playing vs low Silver/Bronzes, which stacks his MMR to a place it shouldn't necessarily be. Likewise, the Low MMR Plat might just be on a losing streak when he's normally a Plat II player, and outskills the Gold IV to a significant degree.
> [{quoted}](name=Azadethe,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hyc5FYAq,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-02-04T15:20:41.085+0000) > > <a very long post> That was a very interesting post. You're absolutely right that low-level matchmaking casts FAR too wide a net, considering that I think about 70-80% of the game's players fall into bronze and silver.
: > [{quoted}](name=Arcane Azmadi,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hyc5FYAq,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-02-04T13:47:38.081+0000) > > One of the longest-standing discussions on this forum is the argument about whether or not &amp;quot;Elo hell&amp;quot; exists. Those who argue that it does point out the fairly-obvious point that LoL is a TEAM game and it doesn&amp;#039;t matter how good you are, if your team is terrible (and your opponents are not) you&amp;#039;re gonna lose, which ultimately means your fate isn&amp;#039;t really in your own hands and matchmaking luck is just as important as skill, if not moreso, and if you get a streak of constant losses then you ARE in Elo hell. > > Those who argue that it _doesn&amp;#039;t_ exist say that any time your team loses it was ALWAYS your fault for not being better than you were, no matter how hopeless (or disconnected) your team was, you could always win _any_ game straw man ˌstrô ˈman/ noun noun: strawman 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument. "her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach" No reason to even bother reading any further.
> [{quoted}](name=Bronze Bonanza,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hyc5FYAq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-04T13:50:38.351+0000) > > straw man > ˌstrô ˈman/ > noun > noun: strawman > 1. > an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent&#x27;s real argument. > &quot;her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach&quot; > > No reason to even bother reading any further. If you HAD bothered to read even half a line further you might have noticed that it's NOT a "strawman" argument because THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID TO ME WITHOUT A TRACE OF IRONY. Maybe I'm being a bit sarcastic in describing it, but that's because it's an _obviously stupid argument,_ which didn't stop them from making it with complete seriousness.
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Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: December 8
> [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=zTYEf4er,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-12-08T16:40:23.812+0000) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > **Forbidden Idol** > > We're testing a nerf to Forbidden Idol, and items that build from it, where they give less Heal/Shield power. That's driven by the belief that too much of Enchanter power especially is coming from that stat, which was previously balanced at those numbers when Enchanters had less gold income and therefore weren't stacking the effect as much. > > We feel pretty good about that nerf long term. A complicating factor though is that Enchanters aren't generally looking out of line at present. We're confident it's a good change overall, but not necessarily in the short term however. We're still discussing whether it's something we should ship now, and then adjust around it in following patches. Or whether we should hold it until we have other changes to go with it. Or until enchanter strength is high. Or at the least we until won't have as large a gap between patches as the upcoming holiday period, so if follow up is needed it's not as delayed. Hang on, what? I always thought that, as the stat was stated to be Unique, the Heal/Shield power-enhancing items only applied the highest buff on any one you owned (which would be Mikaels at 20%). I didn't realise it wasn't actually a named effect like Cold Steel, Awe or Cleave, meaning it's only Unique if you're stacking the SAME item. Huh. And all this time I've been playing enchanter supports regretting the amount of wasted stats I get whenever I stack Redemption and Censer together... OK, I can see why that may be problematic, then.
: Hextech and Battlecast are different skinlines
Perhaps you weren't listening? Of COURSE they're different skinlines, but thematically they're still too similar, and seriously, wasn't the Hextech skin line supposed to be the ENEMIES of the Battlecast skin line, lore-wise?
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AdanYEva (NA)
: SSG V SKT, saddest worlds final EVER
How can it be the "saddest worlds final EVER" when it's exactly the same as last year?
KoKoboto (NA)
: 3s 25% damage reduction point click 2s 40% slow point click Without considering scaling, they're effective abilities and become stronger as the game goes on.
WITH considering the scaling, they're no big deal. You're not building Sona straight AP (unless you're bad, or playing her in a solo lane). You might get an extra 4% damage reduction or slow at most. And during laning only Staccato really matters, and it's been so nerfed that most enemies can shrug it off these days. Sure other enchanters can't really beat you up, but you can't really do anything to them either because your early damage is so nerfed. You need to get to the late game where the power of your spammed auras can overwhelm their own support abilities.
: {{champion:44}} hello?
Eh, haven't played much Taric since they reworked him, but I don't think Taric is comparable. He's MUCH stronger than Sona in the early laning phase solely because of Dazzle, and while he's quite strong in the late game (largely because his ult is teamfight-winning if you land it perfectly) I don't think he has the same unstoppable power as a fully-equipped and leveled Sona. A level 18 Sona with 45% CDR and enough mana sustain throws out heals, shields, MS boosts and damage the same way a 6-item level 18 Yi throws out DPS. The only really hyperscaling things in Taric's kit are the AR from Bastion and the subsequent bonus damage from Bravado, and I'm not even sure how well that scales.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Escheton,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gWe5aEQc,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-09-05T10:10:00.917+0000) > > Did you suddenly pick up the habit to play just when school is out for kids or at 3 o&#x27;clock at night when everyone is too tired to follow up on even their own plays? I've actually been playing a helluva lot lately because I've been on a medical leave due to depression. I love this game, I've played it since late beta/1st season, it's what keeps me sane at times like this... but it's seemingly whittling me down anymore.
You shouldn't play this game if you're depressed. It's self-destructive behavior. I'm speaking from experience, since I'm also depressed and am fully aware that I'm only making myself more depressed by playing and putting up with the braindead troll retards you get lumbered with in this game. It's made me very negative and pessimistic and I'm starting to worry that I'm going to get my account suspended for constant negativity. So try and be smarter than me (at this stage, me playing LoL basically counts as self-harming, but I'm too far gone to care). If your depression is so bad that you have medical leave for it, you should stick to games (preferably single-player ones) where dumbasses don't make you want to burn down the world.
SEKAI (OCE)
: When Feral Flare and its derivatives were meta, Noc was meta too alongside other AA junglers. Noc also had his moments when his ulti was still global (both the darkness and dash). Though that's kinda it. Maybe I missed a few things tho.
Hate to correct you on this, but Noc's ult dash was NEVER global. It used to be a lot longer, though.
Hooks85 (NA)
: Fuck you riot
{{sticker:vlad-salute}}
Spéctyr (NA)
: Dear Riot
NOTHING pisses people off more and elicits less sympathy than "I should be allowed to keep my account because I spent a lot of money on it". That is the LEAST mitigating circumstance for shitty ban-worthy behavior there is. And if they gave you a perma-ban on second offence, you must have done something HEINOUS. Don't come here expecting support.
: like i cant i have to react on every thing happen in chat
That's like asking for help to quit getting shit-faced in public but then insisting you can't stop going to the pub because you need your booze. If you're not even willing to change your behavior, you simply can't be helped. Forget it.
: if you got banned. DONT SPEND ANY MORE MONEY ON THIS GAME!! duh
I got a better idea: if you got banned, fuck off. {{sticker:vlad-salute}}
Lost R (NA)
: I became a support main for exactly this reason, to stop people from trying to hijack other roles, or screaming themselves into a coma from the slightest implication that they'll have to be the support for so much as a microsecond.
Honestly, I'm a support main because I legit can't trust anyone else to do such an important job right. They all pick "support champs" like Lux or Brand (fair enough) then don't make any concessions to supporting beyond taking no CS while their ADC is in lane and starting with Spellthief's Edge (and occasionally upgrading it to Frost Queen's Claim), just rushing straight AP with a 0 farm budget like the world's worst midlaner. I sometimes feel like the only player on the server who actually knows why Sightstone matters, what Oracle's Lens is for, and what Control Wards do. The shorter queue times are a bonus.
archerno1 (EUNE)
: He isnt stealing anything. Bottom and support share same lane. And there is no rule that says person has to stay in one lane. As for personal attack, i wont deem it worth response, ill let mods deal with ut.
"Bottom" and "support" do not share the same ROLE, you cretin! And there IS a rule that a person has to stay IN THEIR ROLE! But what the hell is even the point of arguing with you? You're either just "trolling" everyone (in the way that morons think "being deliberately stupid" is the same thing as "trolling") or you're just a legit imbecile. Either way, you're a waste of everyone's time. Also, why the hell do you think the mods would intervene on your behalf when you're publicly advocating open trolling? Oh right, because you're an idiot.
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: People who pick support on draft only to instalock a different role...
It's possible they just got autofilled into the rule, which happens occasionally if you never pick support or fill. Which doesn't excuse anything. If you queue for draft, you play the role you're given, or you're a troll and can fuck off.
darkdill (NA)
: No counterplay = toxic gameplay.
darkdill (NA)
: Problem with Kayn Spotlight: Where's the counterplay?
What makes you think he has any? What makes you think he was MEANT to have any?
patmax17 (EUW)
: Bishounen; ✓ I'm looking foreward to seeing the TVTropes page for Kayn xD He's got something of all the edgiest champs: Yasuo (visuals, ionia,...) Zed (shadow magic, is part of his order) Varus (bare chest, long hair, evil weapon, bishonen) Jhin (name, ionia, psychotic killer) Talon (jumps over walls, assassin) Aatrox (darkin) Am I forgetting anyone? edit: added elements of each champ
He's definitely going to get listed under [Cliché Storm](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ClicheStorm). Probably [Narm](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Narm) too.
: Kayn is the ultimate Edgelord
OK, if we stop making jokes about it for a moment, can we agree that this is saddest champion design since... I dunno, EVER? Honestly, it's laughable how hard Riot are trying to be "cool" with this guy. Oh he's not just Kane, he's KAYN! Because Xtreme Kool Letterz are EDGY, DUDES! Jesus, this guy makes Reaper from Overwatch look sensible and up-to-date. Did Riot hire ROB LEIFELD to design this guy or something?! I guess we should count ourselves lucky he doesn't have chains hanging off him!
: He a support the attackspeed is nice but not needed
Do you have _any_ idea how much extra damage he's going to do with 30% on-hit MS and a 20% additional damage double-hit in lane (letting him stack Spellthief's and Thunderlords procs twice as fast)? Especially considering how high his base attack is to start with (62+3.5)? This is NOT a small damage boost in lane! And no other support is going to get this from Xayah while no other ADC will give this to Rakan. The amount of power Rakan gains from laning with Xayah is _considerable._
Narsicus (NA)
: Xayah's W gives bonus damage/speed for a SPECIFIC NUMBER of attacks. So when Rakan uses them she cannot, you can see this in the video for the ability where the floating feathers get used up around Xayah regardless of who attacks. This makes it arguably worse for it to be shared, as Xayah will almost assuredly have the greater AD and thus will use the AS better and Rakan has more mobility options and will need the MS less.
Not in early lane. When the only difference between Xayah and Rakan is the fact that Xayah starts with a Doran's Blade (Rakah actually has considerably higher base attack stats than Xayah- 62+3.5 to her 56+2.2), Rakan's attacks will hurt as much as Xayah's do. Plus if Rakan has Spellthief's Edge, he'll be able to proc it twice off the double hit (meaning he'll probably be doing MORE damage than Xayah at least until her first big shop). Being able to share this with Rakan means they're simply going to get twice as many hits off since Rakan will get the on-hit MS too. And you're just flat-out wrong anyway, the skill lasts 4 seconds, not for a present number of attacks (you're thinking of her PASSIVE): Deadly Plumage (W): 60/55/50/45/40 Mana 16/15/14/13/12 sec Cooldown Xayah creates a storm of blades for 4 seconds that grant her 30/35/40/45/50% attack speed and cause her basic attacks to strike an additional time for 20% damage. If Deadly Plumage strikes an enemy champion, Xayah gains 30% movement speed for 1.5 seconds. If Rakan is nearby he will also gain the effects of Deadly Plumage. Tell me having this skill in lane doesn't make Rakan _considerably_ better than he would otherwise be? Maybe Xayah will be perfectly fine on her own with a different support, but unless he ends up just COMPLETELY overpowered, I'd consider picking Rakan as a support for any ADC _other_ than Xayah to be a fool's game.
: Except for the fact that these aren't hugely overpowering synergies? Like, I can get that people don't want Champions to have literal synergies with each other, but c'mon, at least act like you know how big your reaction should be. Rakan getting attack speed and extra damage isn't a huge thing considering he's going to be a lightweight disruptor - it's not like he's going to be doing tons of damage with it. And Rakan being able to jump to Xayah from longer distances is something small but with multiple applications - I don't see why that could be a bad thing. And on top of all that - those synergies are so mild that Rakan and Xayah can be played without the other and it still wouldn't change how effective they are. Riot knows what they're doing by giving these two their synergies, and that's why they're only doing it for one ability each. Granted, they probably also designed them to have a synergistic playstyle, but that's something completely different. So, short version; don't jump the gun on this, and please act like you can trust Riot to make decisions like this. If you can't, then really, you shouldn't be playing the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VqfhJrZy,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-04-05T00:35:59.616+0000) > > Riot knows what they&#x27;re doing by giving these two their synergies, The evidence of the past suggests otherwise. And don't tell me "love it or leave it". I love the game, but that doesn't mean I think Riot are infallible, especially when they're making such an OBVIOUSLY stupid decision as this.
: Why cant they be ok apart, better together?
Because there's no such thing as "OK" in this game. A champion is balanced, OP, or UP. If they're balanced together, they're weaker apart and subsequently worthless. If they're balanced apart, they're better together and subsequently OP and needing to be nerfed.
: So? {{champion:126}} {{champion:60}} {{champion:76}} have 7 skills.
Are you deliberately trying to miss the point, or are you honestly just that dumb? Those three are ONE CHAMPION each. They're balanced on their own. Rakan is MUCH weaker as a support for anyone other than Xayah to the point that either he's worthless, or he's balanced but OVERPOWERED when supporting Xayah.
: They can manage by without the other perfectly OK. They just get added benefits really. Like Rakan can leap to Xayah farther away and Xayah can share her W with Rakan. And they can proc each other's ms effect on their W. Not to mention they can share the same recall.
Yeah. And you think this is somehow _not a big deal?_ Hell, Rakan basically gets _an entire extra skill for free_ from sharing Xayah's W!
F53710 (NA)
: Rakan and Xayah shouldn't be strictly stronger with each other
Absolutely; this is EXACTLY what I came here to say. This is a really, REALLY dumb idea. They have to be designed so that they're balanced when played together; as a result, this means when they're NOT played together they automatically become undertuned- Rakan's E doesn't get double range when dashing to his lane partner, and he doesn't get the benefits of Xayah's W (effectively _an entire free skill_ for him!). These are NOT small differences. There are only 2 possible scenarios here: a) you either have to play them together and they're balanced because they're crap when NOT played together; or b) they're fine when played with other champions, but _obviously OP_ when played together. When you add in the fact that the former case is _obviously_ the one Riot will err towards, meaning you'll effectively be able to ban _both_ of them just by banning one of them, they're going to have absolutely NO presence in competitive play whatsoever. For chrissakes, Riot KNOW how fine balance is in this game! Champions have gone from OP to unplayable with the tiniest of changes! How can they possibly fail to see what's wrong with this?! And since this element is irrevocably intertwined with the core design of the champions and Riot never reverse course on ANYTHING once they've revealed it, _they can never actually fix it now!_ After a period of OPness, they're going to end up being completely useless (because Riot would always prefer champions to be underpowered rather than overpowered) until they eventually get slated for a complete remake.
Seenan (NA)
: How to fight Sion?
No BotRK, sure. Have you ever heard of Liandry's Torment?
: Good Supports are still buying Sightstone. Bad Supports have always had issues prioritizing vision control properly, it's not a meta thing. Sometimes a damage Support can delay their Sightstone just a little bit in order to have more kill pressure early on, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't get it.
Amen. Has nothing to do with the meta. Has everything to do with noobs playing "support" instead of support. Noobs are gonna noob, no matter what the meta is like. The reason I play 100% support is because I literally can't trust anyone else to do it right.
: I'll save you the time. Went from bronze to gold as support this season
Dynikus (NA)
: You proved literally nothing with this. you picked "troll supports" like leona, karma, and MF, which aren't troll picks at all. you played anivia against _support nidalee_ and were surprised that you won, then you team hard carried you when you played cho'gath. Regardless, people have said time and time again that practically everything is viable in low elo. Congrats on getting out of bronze, though.
Maybe you missed the point that when I played Karma and MF I *got my ass kicked* because feeders on my team were too godawful for anyone to carry. And are you seriously implying that botlane support Anivia is more legit that support Nidalee? I mean I know you're *right,* but most people would consider my pick to have been trolling (even I think she's not a great pick after the nerf to her ult, but I played her anyway because I do what I fucking want). People HAVE said that everything is viable in low elo, but they've also said that the way to get out of Bronze is to pick a hard carry and carry yourself out, and playing support is suicide because you have to play under the understanding that everyone in Bronze is trash and you can only count on yourself, and if you HAVE to play support then you should pick something like Zyra (which is too meta for my tastes), take kills and play like an AP carry. Even when I was playing things like Pantheon and Urgot support I usually wouldn't pick up more than a single damage item (usually Black Cleaver) and would focus more on CC and harass than getting kills. I say I still proved quite a lot by refusing to do this and leaning on my team to carry me.
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yukumari (NA)
: Check his mach history. He literally only plays singed or SORAKA in ranked. @Trolled
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law I'm really tired of morons who think "saying something fucking retarded like an actual fucking retard would say so everyone thinks I'm a fucking retard" counts as "trolling"...
: > [{quoted}](name=Colton147,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=quNBGN2a,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-02-15T07:07:01.336+0000) > > While true, it is still best to play with who you are comfortable with - as long as that champion is suited for that role. :) Soraka and Janna are troll picks, though. Are you saying it's okay to play Urgot ADC as well?
The fact that you're moronic enough to think Soraka and Janna are troll picks automatically disqualifies you from passing any opinions on anything relating to league. Pity you're on a different server to me. I'd love to introduce you to my Urgot support.
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