: > Only the old one didn't channel anywhere near as long and was better for peel That is the exact reason it wasn't better for peel, because you were in the air half of the time spamming W. And you could not knock up a target more than once.
You just haven’t played old zac properly, I’d 3/4 teams and kill off their carries before my team even follows up on my initiations. New zac can’t carry, old zac 1v5s, I did 2-3x more dmg than the next highest damage dealer nearly every game on old zac. Just let it go through and learn how to play it as it should have been
: purposely avoided that for 1) alot of people would pick option 3 just be be troll against the topic of the post if they dont think they need to be nerfed i think its fair to say no they are fine and that would hold up well enough and i'd probably have to also have a section there that says increase damage as well if i were to do that 2) this low elo thing needs to be stopped already in the game everyone see's your rank or what not and immediately what you think doesn't matter or matters way too much depending on where your rank falls literally never cared about rank and honestly no one should because going by that logic your basically saying if you aren't challenger, yes challenger cause that would be the only true undeniable high elo your opinion doesn't matter and the game shouldn't be healthy for you because at "high elo" a good 1% of the player base who to be fair only play like 20 champions at most determine how everything in the game. the worst part of this high elo thing is its never agreed upon like silvers thing silver 1 is high gold think gold is high plat thing plats high diamonds think that is high and etc etc then everything below where they are is deemed "low elo" and have some superiority complex for they poor guy 1 division under them skill difference is a thing but do we really need to bring up this low elo thing every league conversation bleh as you can see i go off tangent but hopegffully you get the message
Well I’ve been in top 10% no less for a few seasons and this season in my elo I haven’t seen a single tank, I know what the meta is currently to win games and tanks aren’t one of them. I’m only saying low elo cus typically lower elo players speak of tanks needing nerfs this season when they get face stomped by it. U get to higher elos the current meta the tops will 1v5 ur team no matter how many tanks ur team has or not. Tanks are long gone man, it needs buffs. I think you’re referring more to other classes than tanks, like jugganaunts and battle mages
: Well I’ve been in top 10% no less for a few seasons and this season in my elo I haven’t seen a single tank, I know what the meta is currently to win games and tanks aren’t one of them. I’m only saying low elo cus typically lower elo players speak of tanks needing nerfs this season when they get face stomped by it. U get to higher elos the current meta the tops will 1v5 ur team no matter how many tanks ur team has or not.
Im low diamond hardstuck because I was previously a competent tank main previously in higher elos, I’ve been forced to adapt and learn other classes.
: purposely avoided that for 1) alot of people would pick option 3 just be be troll against the topic of the post if they dont think they need to be nerfed i think its fair to say no they are fine and that would hold up well enough and i'd probably have to also have a section there that says increase damage as well if i were to do that 2) this low elo thing needs to be stopped already in the game everyone see's your rank or what not and immediately what you think doesn't matter or matters way too much depending on where your rank falls literally never cared about rank and honestly no one should because going by that logic your basically saying if you aren't challenger, yes challenger cause that would be the only true undeniable high elo your opinion doesn't matter and the game shouldn't be healthy for you because at "high elo" a good 1% of the player base who to be fair only play like 20 champions at most determine how everything in the game. the worst part of this high elo thing is its never agreed upon like silvers thing silver 1 is high gold think gold is high plat thing plats high diamonds think that is high and etc etc then everything below where they are is deemed "low elo" and have some superiority complex for they poor guy 1 division under them skill difference is a thing but do we really need to bring up this low elo thing every league conversation bleh as you can see i go off tangent but hopegffully you get the message
Well I’ve been in top 10% no less for a few seasons and this season in my elo I haven’t seen a single tank, I know what the meta is currently to win games and tanks aren’t one of them. I’m only saying low elo cus typically lower elo players speak of tanks needing nerfs this season when they get face stomped by it. U get to higher elos the current meta the tops will 1v5 ur team no matter how many tanks ur team has or not.
: Is the game really in a good balance state right now?
Games just gone stale and boring cus every champ isn’t rewarding to play when ahead Cus it’s all rather balanced whereas old seasons everything was broken which made the game fun. Now not so much
: The position of tanks vs damage in the game
Imo they are weak as shit. Maybe if ur low elo u feel this. Plus ur poll didn’t have a needs a buff option, the poll is bias too.
: Change for the sake of change. The same reason the reworked vel'koz
I can’t recall old vel?
: {{champion:161}} {{champion:154}} {{champion:57}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:104}} welcome in the club
Those the reworks? Don’t forget to add Fiora in there, she was the funnest of the fun
: His q was so bland that even though I played him fairly actively for several months I literally cannot remember what his old q was.... and his r was too uninteractive.
Where did u play zac mostly?
: And the rework? E into the general direction of a lane, Q minion, press on enemy champion=kill. Lots of interaction.
Yup it’s prettt similar, the skill floor in mechanics could be said to be less than previous when you add in the iteration of blob picking up. Both the same, just damage meets cc in the versions.
: I dunno. I much prefer the original
Ywah i pre much kept playing league just because tanks were fun, I’ll miss zac the most tho
Rioter Comments
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: November 14
I Ike how new zac hits as hard as a minion
Spearki (EUW)
: Can we talk about the off meta video O.o
Reworks tank update in season 7 so that sejuani, Mao, Zac only have one playstyle and build path and brings out this non meta video makes me sick to my gut.
: Fuck this company tbh. Literally forcing a meta down our throat every 2 weeks... then they make shit like this to convince us the game is still open and experimental... {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
God bless ur comment, got me on a personal level.
: For tanks and damage
Stupid idea, counteractive of sunfire and tanks base damage. There base damage aren’t high plus nerfing base damage for a sunfire cape buff doesn’t quite add up, it would force every tank and every semi tank that also hasn’t been nerfed to build sunfire cape. Reminds me of the time fizz and akali would build sunfire cape, the damage from the sunfire was the reason every tank and some assasins like fizz, akali, ekko built it. But I liked sunfire cape meta, was fun. Would like a revert to sunfire cape stats to bring tanks back into lane. Anyone can one v one an adc, though ads don’t get into that predicament, tanks have lil to no kill pressure on carries in teamfights because they lack the burst? Tanks are currently unviable and it has been for a couple seasons, all due to bruisers n jugs being able to zone and bully tanks in lane and apply more macro pressure and more impact in teamfights (ornn and sion only exceptions due to good damage). Just having kill potential is what makes viable picks, so if it don’t got damage or shields and heals for ur carries, it’s a troll pick.
AR URF (NA)
: Is viktor going to be fixed?
He’s fine. It’s all in ur head
: Revert Zac's ult
: Meddler, Any chance you might do something to help out Tryndamere. He’s an long time iconic champ but he currently has consistently sub par win rates well below 50%. I think maybe 47-48%. How about giving him something minor but useful? Like have his W do 1 point of damage so it counts as a damage source and can stop recalls. That would make it a big more useful and help out the champ without giving too much extra damage or durability. Thanks.
That would be a huge buff considering tryndamere tower dives and pushes wave after wave, it’s cancer to vs him. He’s good as is.
PunToast (NA)
: Let's Talk About AP Irelia
No point in ap when u can 1v5 with ad. If u play AP Irelia for fun, let it be and don’t expect much compensation as this isn’t the efficient way to play the champ, u knit picking this for fun, so I don’t see why you should expect buffs on something that wasn’t intended to be built that way to get better ratios?
King Lego (EUNE)
: Funny how when GhostCrawler changed position, so many weird and questionable changes are happening
The new management is good, making the changes that’s needed to being back tanks etc, the ornn and sej bringing back AP Bruisers is a huge start. Season9 is looking bright
Squad5 (NA)
: Ornn changes on PBE
This could encourage a more aggressive, damage one shot playstyle. Im willing to give this a go. I’m a ornn mid main
Rioter Comments
Acanthus (NA)
: Why were AP Bruisers slowly phased out, anyway?
That tank update was shit lol. They ruined three champs in one update. Holy hell
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: October 31
Is there any chance for a zac revert?
Moody P (NA)
: I'm just going off the stats lolalytics gives me granted they might inflated because tanks have overall low win rates now
Tanks got pushed out of top cus of many nerfs and many buffs to bruisers where tanks couldn’t oppress bruisers late hard game carrying. Now viktor is going even with bruisers people start to frit out. It’s also sad cus I’ve never played meta since ive started playing, or played things coming into meta few months later to be complained about and nerfed, if every champ was broken in their own way it would make lol better... cus you can 1v9 when fed back then, now when you’re fed a 1v2 is a huge outplay still. Jax with two items can still one shot anyone, even if 0/5 there are plenty of broken champs, nerfing them will make them as stale as lol in general. Let it Be. I haven’t played lol in 3-4 months because of thr approach lol is heading towards but I hope all my pocket picks don’t get exposed and metad cus over half my picks have been gutted in a space of a year.
Moody P (NA)
: viktor crushes every tank except for cho'gath
You’re exaggerating. I’ve been playin Viktor Top since season 7 and was playing Klepto Viktor Top at start of season 8. I’m basing my accusations on my experience. You won’t know because no on plays tanks too anymore, especially since the hype of Viktor Top came into play. Tanks outsustain the damage and forces viktor into last hitting and teleporting back to lane.
Moody P (NA)
: Viktor Top does not create a diverse lane. AP Ranged tops never have.
Play tanks, it neutralises Viktor Top. Stop complaining, he’s good against bruisers, bruisers are good against tanks and tanks are good against mages.
: I feel like Boards is very supportive of "new playstyles"....until one actually appears.
I’ve been playin viktor top since last season, he’s only oppressive against some champs now as other champs are to others, he can’t oppress tanks and lane sustainers like Nasus but just go even and focuses on last hitting instead. Viktor is mana hungry snd doesn’t have the resources to be a threat against them. He can also be one shotted by riven. It’s learning the matchups and maybe he will reign off bruisers and bring back versatility of tanks back. I’ve always been a few steps ahead of every meta in terms of offmeta going meta for every season. Hopefully my other pocket picks don’t get exposed too, cough my name cough
: Don't buff current Zac; just revert his ult.
Kilanost (NA)
: Reminder that Zac needs a revert
: A message to riot: please change Zac back
Miss u old zac. Riot can eat a ass
Ralanr (NA)
: Sunfire cape is imo dangerous to buff because of its damaging effects for just being near you. Imo, it’s fine as is currently. Maybe more armor or MR on items like Omen could help.
HAha I agree, I’m just being biase to season 5 league of sunfire cape meta.
Rioter Comments
: Looking for some AP champs that counter mobile assassins, any ideas?
I was playing Ornn mid with great succession. A lot easier vs assasins. And a lot of pressure bot lane with r and other forms of cc. In d5. I ain’t very good either, I’m sure a good player can make it work out better. I picked electrocute and ignite and can cheese people who don’t respect my damage. Best thing people can do is just farm, if they try to harass u should own the lane and pick up some freebies bot. Build lane sustain if needed but try to cap 40 cdr, I like to go for redemption in my build. Pre much just like playing lulu mid except tankier and more roam pressure and kill pressure.
: Minion Block
Wats minion block?
: > [{quoted}](name=KOGMIDONLY,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wggucTxc,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-01T22:56:20.494+0000) > > Old fiora was fun now that the dust is settling on all of the reworks, i can safely say that only the ww rework was good simply because he is exactly the same. everyone else lost their niche potential to solo carry the game aswell as lost all of what made them fun, namely poppy, fiora, gangplank, aatrox, etc. i will admit tho that yi is probally the last one that can actually 1v9 IF he is stupid fed.
> [{quoted}](name=ChristmasEvelynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wggucTxc,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-10-01T23:13:01.823+0000) > > now that the dust is settling on all of the reworks, i can safely say that only the ww rework was good simply because he is exactly the same. everyone else lost their niche potential to solo carry the game aswell as lost all of what made them fun, namely poppy, fiora, gangplank, aatrox, etc. Agree agree, all my mains got reworked or nerfed too. Here’s the list of my favourites -> old zac, ap kog (still viable so ok), broken viktor before r rework and old fiora. Thought I had more. But these were fun.
: Give Zac his W's scaling back
Any changes for better or worse would do. He’s already shit anyways so it doesn’t matter
: starting to regret the removal of "1v9" champions.
: What is your main issue with how he is rn?
> [{quoted}](name=megadethfish,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZufqaJAJ,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-01T22:47:38.074+0000) > > What is your main issue with how he is rn? Just been butt hurt for two years. Just here to raise some more awareness. I don’t play league anymore but I still follow updates and reddit waiting for changes to zac. Just the playstyle shift made him lose his identity. He was really fun before, he’s really fun now but different.
Nuvak (NA)
: Top Lane.......
I snowball these guys in top playing support build Ali top lane
: I say keep the Q changes, bring back old ult or mix the two some how
> [{quoted}](name=megadethfish,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZufqaJAJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-01T22:23:17.372+0000) > > I say keep the Q changes, bring back old ult or mix the two some how AGree. Anything reverted would be nice right now
Rioter Comments
: I main him since preseason 4, i have almost 800k mastery points. I really enjoy the new one. Old toplane zac was just pure q spam.
> [{quoted}](name=Timethief49,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3pMGMXE3,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2018-09-28T17:59:09.361+0000) > > I main him since preseason 4, i have almost 800k mastery points. I really enjoy the new one. Old toplane zac was just pure q spam. Tbh if u were any good u would of liked old zac too
Bârd (NA)
: In what world is a 48% win rate "Dumpstered"? That's like calling a 52% win rate "OP".
Well when u match their low play rate, it’s only the mains playing them, and playing them under 50 percent with champ mastery. Where high wr tend to have high play rate and less pop to master the champions, concluding the champion could have a lot more impact on games
: The board community is a small, vocal community of mostly tank mains and doesn't represent the league community as a whole. Having an unpopular opinion does not make it wrong. In fact the amount of engagement this small thread generated speaks to how much it hit a nerve. And I couldn't care less about being popular, I'm interested in being right.
Go join riot balance team, they can use another bronzies opinion.
: Hi Meddler, what are you thoughts about Aftershock? There's a time where bruisers (Riven, Diana, Vi, Camille) could use this rune but after the CD nerf, a lot of champions can't use it anymore due other better choices. The problem was the cd increase from 20s to 45s on ALL LEVELS, wouldn't be better try to rescale this Rune CD by level to increase the range of champions who can use it?
It should be changed to %ar and mr or %hp heal. Bruisers would start taking this like riven, and she’s unstoppable late game with it. Yeah it made them strong in early but made em nuke plus unkillable late game.
: The real reason tanks and supports will never be balanced
: Yeah im not excusing my stupidity, just saying i find it hilarious how fast a first blood can be decided nowadays
Hahaha u crack me up child 😂
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