: Not all the time. At early game she's really easy to kill provided that your jungler helps or your support get's off a good engage. It's more of the mid and late game when things get tricky with her if your team doesn't catch her with good CC.
> [{quoted}](name=Darkin Hybrid,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WFdMXn8H,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:09:26.612+0000) > > Not all the time. At early game she's really easy to kill provided that your jungler helps or your support get's off a good engage. It's more of the mid and late game when things get tricky with her if your team doesn't catch her with good CC. Not when she has a 400 shield from overheal and relic.
: League is no longer a MOBA, It is now a Fighting game with Moba tactics mixed in
Yeah man. I can pick Terumi all I want, I'll never beat a good Nine player.
: Please add Vayne to Blood Moon
She's an ADC. Go away.
Rester (NA)
: Pretty sure the sightstone change had nothing to do with adcs abusing relic shield. However, there is a change on pbe that halves healing from relic shield for ranged. Not sure how much it'll help but only time will tell.
> [{quoted}](name=Rester,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qkjyR16N,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-01-21T06:25:28.301+0000) > > Pretty sure the sightstone change had nothing to do with adcs abusing relic shield. However, there is a change on pbe that halves healing from relic shield for ranged. Not sure how much it'll help but only time will tell. There's the 50% healing from Relic's passive for ranged and more importantly the removal of the shield. The shield+overheal = you can't win ANY trades.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Lovesick,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U0WZJ7Ey,comment-id=000300000000000100010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-21T02:08:16.695+0000) > > No. All the fighters I listed are ported over to PC. oh look they are still on consoles!
> [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U0WZJ7Ey,comment-id=0003000000000001000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-21T02:10:38.349+0000) > > oh look they are still on consoles! A PC port = they are on PC
: > [{quoted}](name=Lovesick,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U0WZJ7Ey,comment-id=0003000000000001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:58:41.804+0000) > > BlazBlue, UMvC3, Killer Instinct, Super Smash Bros. (on Dolphin, technically in the same boat), Guilty Gear, Street Fighter, King of Fighters, Dead or Alive, Mortal Kombat and Injustice aren't fighting games on the PC? > > Showdown can make money for existing since they have a legal contract with Nintendo. > > Steam allows you to change your name whenever you want FOR FREE. > > Also, I haven't even mentioned arcade games as my examples so please stop trailing off. oh look, all of them are also on consoles... and a mod of something else... great! Steam still isn't a game, i don't care if it let's you change your name for free, it's still not a game. I can change my name on skype or discord to whatever i want that doesn't make them games. Oh they do? good for them! at least they did one thing right and i bet it all goes to nintendo anyways.
> [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U0WZJ7Ey,comment-id=00030000000000010001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-21T02:06:20.664+0000) > > oh look, all of them are also on consoles... and a mod of something else... great! > > Steam still isn't a game, i don't care if it let's you change your name for free, it's still not a game. I can change my name on skype or discord to whatever i want that doesn't make them games. > > Oh they do? good for them! at least they did one thing right and i bet it all goes to nintendo anyways. No. All the fighters I listed are ported over to PC.
: > [{quoted}](name=Lovesick,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U0WZJ7Ey,comment-id=00030000000000010001000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:44:16.760+0000) > > Yes, because most MMOs want to squeeze money out of you. > > Steam is technically a game since your steam name appears in-game. Fighting games are NOT just console games :) > Yes, a fan game which is extremely popular and allows you to change your name on the go for free. > > The only reason why official games require you to pay $$$ for a name change is because they want to exploit money out of you. steam is not a game, i am sorry to burst your bubble. I have no idea of any other fighting games that aren't consoles or arcade games and arcade games you really aren't putting your name for anything other than a highscore so if you want to count that then by all means. a fan game that also cannot make a single cent because if they do they will instantly get shut down and sued so hard that they are going to be slaves of gamefreak and nintendo. There is a reason why they don't charge you for changing your name... not that it would matter anyways. I am sorry but you have not given me a single actual example yet. Unless you really want to count arcade fighting games and you putting your 3 letter name as your highscore
> [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U0WZJ7Ey,comment-id=000300000000000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:48:34.373+0000) > > steam is not a game, i am sorry to burst your bubble. I have no idea of any other fighting games that aren't consoles or arcade games and arcade games you really aren't putting your name for anything other than a highscore so if you want to count that then by all means. > > a fan game that also cannot make a single cent because if they do they will instantly get shut down and sued so hard that they are going to be slaves of gamefreak and nintendo. There is a reason why they don't charge you for changing your name... not that it would matter anyways. > > I am sorry but you have not given me a single actual example yet. Unless you really want to count arcade fighting games and you putting your 3 letter name as your highscore BlazBlue, UMvC3, Killer Instinct, Super Smash Bros. (on Dolphin, technically in the same boat), Guilty Gear, Street Fighter, King of Fighters, Dead or Alive, Mortal Kombat and Injustice aren't fighting games on the PC? Showdown can make money for existing since they have a legal contract with Nintendo. Steam allows you to change your name whenever you want FOR FREE. Also, I haven't even mentioned arcade games as my examples so please stop trailing off.
: > [{quoted}](name=Lovesick,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Yb6uZrhg,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:19:53.744+0000) > > I mean....I knew ADCs wanted a Zhoyna's vs assassins.....but this is ridiculous. fucking 5-7 kills in a 40 minute game? What a joke. lol
> [{quoted}](name=Corsair Sion,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Yb6uZrhg,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:32:52.990+0000) > > fucking 5-7 kills in a 40 minute game? What a joke. lol Yep, that's what happens when you want "counterplay".
: She is a pure auto attack champion they has 550 attack range. Her range of influence is by far the smallest for any adc.
> [{quoted}](name=SooFr0sty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VrRovT6V,comment-id=000b00000000,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:30:52.727+0000) > > She is a pure auto attack champion they has 550 attack range. Her range of influence is by far the smallest for any adc. Except her Tumble seems to increase her attack range and Vayne has NO weak phase in the game rn.
: > [{quoted}](name=Lovesick,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U0WZJ7Ey,comment-id=000300000000000100010000,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:25:56.081+0000) > > Not at all actually. I can change my name whenever I want in Steam, Pokemon Showdown and any fighting game. > > The only reason the name change costs RP/IP is because Riot wants more money than they can line their pockets with. That's all there is to it. steam... i didn't knew steam was a game. Fighting games are also console games... so it doesn't matter much of anything you can have the same name than 50 million other people there and nobody would notice... and are you really using a game that is more than likely not even officially made by gamefreak and is more than likely a fan game? Every single actual PC MMO type of game you cannot change your name that easily
> [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U0WZJ7Ey,comment-id=0003000000000001000100000000,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:31:25.431+0000) > > steam... i didn't knew steam was a game. Fighting games are also console games... so it doesn't matter much of anything you can have the same name than 50 million other people there and nobody would notice... and are you really using a game that is more than likely not even officially made by gamefreak and is more than likely a fan game? Every single actual PC MMO type of game you cannot change your name that easily Yes, because most MMOs want to squeeze money out of you. Steam is technically a game since your steam name appears in-game. Fighting games are NOT just console games :) Yes, a fan game which is extremely popular and allows you to change your name on the go for free. The only reason why official games require you to pay $$$ for a name change is because they want to exploit money out of you.
: > [{quoted}](name=Lovesick,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U0WZJ7Ey,comment-id=0003000000000001,timestamp=2018-01-21T00:57:38.298+0000) > > If I suddenly want to change my name to something better I shouldn't have to fucking buy a name change. Most other games aren't like this. true, most games would have you create an entirely new account or put you into this massive queue of people waiting to get a name change and if your name got taken then you are SoL
> [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U0WZJ7Ey,comment-id=00030000000000010001,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:00:44.792+0000) > > true, most games would have you create an entirely new account or put you into this massive queue of people waiting to get a name change and if your name got taken then you are SoL Not at all actually. I can change my name whenever I want in Steam, Pokemon Showdown and any fighting game. The only reason the name change costs RP/IP is because Riot wants more money than they can line their pockets with. That's all there is to it.
: One, NO SWEARING, two, thats y riot should decrease the amount for name changes, CAUSE FOR MOST GAMES U DON'T NEED MONEY FOR NAME CHANGE!
> [{quoted}](name=Starsaber222,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U0WZJ7Ey,comment-id=00030000000000010000,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:00:37.678+0000) > > One, NO SWEARING, two, thats y riot should decrease the amount for name changes, CAUSE FOR MOST GAMES U DON'T NEED MONEY FOR NAME CHANGE! I will swear as much as I want, I'm Australian. But yeah, they definitely to adjust the price to be more reasonable, like 8k-10k Blue essence. Since Blue essence is incredibly hard to come by nowadays.
ƒrøstγ (EUNE)
: In what universe is vayne easy to play?
> [{quoted}](name=ƒrøstγ,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VrRovT6V,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:08:11.291+0000) > > In what universe is vayne easy to play? In the universe that she only has to do basic kiting to win the game.
Wuq (NA)
: What Kind of None ADC Composition Do You Guys Want?
I want to see bruisers and possibly assassins transition to the bot lane. That would actually make the lane intense and interesting.
: For the next several patches, can we please have nothing but constant nerfs to everything?
Buff my %%%%% Volibear. He's been dead on sites like op.gg for almost a year now.
: NA LCS 7 stopwatches in a game
I mean....I knew ADCs wanted a Zhoyna's vs assassins.....but this is ridiculous.
mJwMoore (NA)
: Everyones complaining about ADCs when the real problem is, once again, league of assassins
Are you forgetting any and all of the broken mid lane mages? Like Taliyah, Azir, Aurelion Sol, Malzahar, Twisted Fate, Xerath and Zoe? The only mid lane assassin who absolutely stomps in every elo is Zed, and even then he gets dumpstered by the aforementioned mages if he doesn't have a sustainable kill feed for himself. As for Katarina she's much the same as Zed, however she has MORE delays than he does, in exchange for more damage. Also, one other thing, all the assassins have delays right now which were created just for whiners like you to invest some time into playing around. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Fuck anyone that plays an assassin and fuck this league of an assassin every game bullshit. Least fun meta and least fun champion type. So......a tank meta, ADC meta, bruiser meta, another tank meta and a mage meta are more healthy than an assassin meta (which btw has never actually been a thing)? Assassins don't focus on objectives, so honestly they're healthy in the sense that they don't rely on deathballing to win the game, they actually switch things up to get themselves fed (namely by focusing priority targets). Ooooh. Another thing to note is that you're smurfing, because the account you're posting on is Silver 1 with NO previous ranked history. Next time have the balls to post on your main account when you're saying "fuck all assassin players" as we'd really like to know what you play that would get you so frustrated with us. "Least fun champion type".....no. ADCs, tanks and supports are the least fun champion archetypes to both play as and against. Mages and bruisers are the same level of cancer as assassins, but these 3 classes are nowhere near as bad as ADCs, tanks and supports. You want to know why? Because ADCs, tanks and supports are THE most overbuffed roles in the entire game due to the fact that Riot desperately wants competitive to revolve around them. When's the last time you saw an assassin get buffed? Never? I thought so. --------------------------------------------- > I'd take an ADC meta 100 times out of 100 So you'd take a meta where literally everyone but bot lane wants to fucking die because they're playing supportive roles and as a result farm lanes vs their lane opponents? How exciting. The ADC meta is also the meta which revolved around THE most braindead sub-class in the game, enchanters. Their only job is to hit their one button to heal/shield and bam! The game's determined by who abuses Ardent first. Wow! Janna pressed her E with Ardent and the ADC 1v4'd! How fair and balanced! I never remember an assassin at all acting like that unless they pubstomped/smurfed and went 20/0. ----------------------------------------------- >At least with ADCs you have to attack for more than .15 seconds. Assassins now have 0.75-2 second delays (unless they're hyperfed). Try again. Also ADCs arguably have more burst than assassins now given how broken they are with the current runes and their insane synergy with crit (hello there crit. Vayne). >Or go 5/0 on a mage and watch the katarina still have the lane advantage on you becuase she picked an assassin. Because you couldn't follow her roams correctly nor could you ping your bot lane to back off properly. Also buy more Control Wards to ward the river brushes <3 -------------------------------------------- > If both teams have a mid lane assassin it's who has the better mid lane assassin. No, it's decided by who has the better jungle or who gets Serrated Dirk first. Welcome to Lethality. If you want it go away tell Riot to bring back armour pen. --------------------------------------------- I take it that assassins get hyperfed a lot down where you are. Try a few things to remedy this: -spam pings when they go missing -ward (a lot) -don't just build full offence -focus on objectives -turtle vs a fed assassin until later into the game (since late game, assassins fall off) -play around their delays -learn how each assassin plays -WARD MORE -follow their roams You can do it. I believe in you.
: So enough about the negatives of Top Lane, here's some positives.
Well, point 1 is quite wrong. Bruiser vs bruiser lanes will show matchup prowess. Ranged top laner vs bruiser, ranged top laner vs ranged top laner, tank vs bruiser and tank vs tank and ranged top laner vs tank show next to no matchup prowess.
Ratpie (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Starsaber222,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U0WZJ7Ey,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-01-21T00:16:33.948+0000) > > I&#x27;ve already answered that and many people who started playing games, are starting to want to have the same gaming name on all of their games they own. Riot shouldn't have to make it easier for peoples' poor planning. If you were naming all of your accounts different things, that is an individual's problem. If you do not have enough IP or cannot afford RP, then quite honestly you are probably not playing this game enough for it to be a big deal. And if you do not have enough IP or cannot afford RP, then you probably don't have enough champs, that you can just scrap your account and start a new one with the right name without losing a whole lot.
> [{quoted}](name=Ratpie,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=U0WZJ7Ey,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-01-21T00:38:02.856+0000) > > Riot shouldn&#x27;t have to make it easier for peoples&#x27; poor planning. If you were naming all of your accounts different things, that is an individual&#x27;s problem. If you do not have enough IP or cannot afford RP, then quite honestly you are probably not playing this game enough for it to be a big deal. And if you do not have enough IP or cannot afford RP, then you probably don&#x27;t have enough champs, that you can just scrap your account and start a new one with the right name without losing a whole lot. If I suddenly want to change my name to something better I shouldn't have to fucking buy a name change. Most other games aren't like this.
: Why is Ornn being hated so much? And why nerf him?
Because a tank shouldn't deal that much damage?
Lovesick (OCE)
: Vayne's range
I mean.....I was playing Caitlyn and whenever Vayne tumbled she seemed to have more range than me.
Rioter Comments
SomeKat (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lovesick,realm=OCE,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=4msuWJf6,comment-id=00a9,timestamp=2018-01-19T23:49:24.768+0000) > > So....you&#x27;re nerfing Katarina and not the runes she&#x27;s abusing? Electrocute and Sudden Impact are broken runes, and the fact you haven&#x27;t touched them first is very confusing. Also the bonus AD/AP upon a kill with Coup de Grace, you can just remove that. > > Also, a good way to nerf her without actually nerfing her specifically is to not let Gunblade count towards a proc of Electrocute. > > No damage nerfs to Zoe who&#x27;s still sitting a 90%+ ban rate? Understandable. > > Also, this might help you out in understanding why Kat&#x27;s winrate is so high: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FvJocbkfcQ&amp;feature=youtu.be&amp;t=1175 The Gunblade active also does too much base damage, I shouldn't be encouraged to just build it on everyone because I main Katarina. Katarina is also very high skill floor. It's not Bronze Katarina slaying Bronze Caitlyn. It's a combination of Smurfs, and Katarina that are in Elo Hell because they cannot collect a Nexus as easy as a Penta. If a character is High Skill Floor, it only makes sense you have to be greater than your actual Elo to climb with it, a Bronze 1 Katarina is a way more scary player than someone that climbs to Bronze 1 with almost any other role.
> [{quoted}](name=SomeKat,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=4msuWJf6,comment-id=00a90000,timestamp=2018-01-20T04:39:11.414+0000) > > The Gunblade active also does too much base damage, I shouldn&#x27;t be encouraged to just build it on everyone because I main Katarina. > > Katarina is also very high skill floor. It&#x27;s not Bronze Katarina slaying Bronze Caitlyn. It&#x27;s a combination of Smurfs, and Katarina that are in Elo Hell because they cannot collect a Nexus as easy as a Penta. > > If a character is High Skill Floor, it only makes sense you have to be greater than your actual Elo to climb with it, a Bronze 1 Katarina is a way more scary player than someone that climbs to Bronze 1 with almost any other role. Mmhmm, and yet the balance team still isn't acknowledging all of this.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: January 19
So....you're nerfing Katarina and not the runes she's abusing? Electrocute and Sudden Impact are broken runes, and the fact you haven't touched them first is very confusing. Also the bonus AD/AP upon a kill with Coup de Grace, you can just remove that. Also, a good way to nerf her without actually nerfing her specifically is to not let Gunblade count towards a proc of Electrocute. No damage nerfs to Zoe who's still sitting a 90%+ ban rate? Understandable. Also, this might help you out in understanding why Kat's winrate is so high: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FvJocbkfcQ&feature=youtu.be&t=1175
: So the thing about boards (and by extent reddit) is that it's not just the small community but a large amount of other issues within the boards and reddit. So, let's just shelf the "small community" thing. * Little room for dissenting opinion. One of the things you bring up is that "Well the whole boards is in agreement", which isn't always true. Often there are a variety of opinions, feelings and facts on the subject despite those who may purport them as the will of god. However, much like reddit, boards is not good at dissenting opinions. Often, what floats to the top is stuff that is agreed to be the issue. Likewise, those who disagree with those opinions, however valid or invalid, are silenced due to negative ideas dropping or being hidden. * Topical Bias. A common criticism I see boards complain about is the overfilled status of esports on the reddit. Which is fair, often esport posts float to the top. However, boards can be guilty of a similar thing. Gameplay posts often float to the top and, of them, they're all often "What's wrong with Riot/League". Again, however valid these criticisms are? That doesn't mean it reflects the will of everyone. More importantly, regardless of how many problems league has? There is fatigue that becomes associated with people who peer on the boards and see yesterday's round of angry post replaced with a similar-but-slightly-different round of anger posting. * Failure of critical expression. "You're just a Riot drone" "Good to see the paid rioters out in full force today" "Guess they're paying you overtime to defend them today huh?" All of these are things I've seen levied at people or spoken to people who go against the grain. It's also not uncommon to see the same criticisms spoken out to the opposition. You're just a hater. You couldn't do better. You're complaining about nothing. Etc. Rather than find commonality or understanding viewpoints, there's a feeling that you have to disagree with the person because they're "the enemy". It's poison for critical discussion. Reddit is guilty of this as well but Reddit doesn't act high or mighty about it, the most you'd find is a sarcastic "We did it reddit". * Outsiders Unwelcome. As an experiment, I decided to see how the boards reacted to Scarra's comment on Reddit/Boards balancing. As you'd expect? The response was absurdly negative. Flaming Scarra's words, personal attacks, etc. I tweeted it to Scarra and his first thoughts were "oh cool, I'm being flamed". The same happens with Riot and Rioters who talk on the boards. They feel attacked. They can't be a part of the community because you should only address serious, front-page matters. This makes the boards unwelcome for anyone who isn't a player and goes with the flow. As such, it makes it hard for people to interact if the first thing levied at them is "So when are you losing your job?" As you said, it's not a fair criticism to just focus on the small community itself. It is, however, fair to point out that boards is a small, inclusive, very tightly-knit community with a small majority of gameplay-focused players drowning out the minority of others. Due to this feeling, it can be hard for people to engage the community and makes people question/feel unwelcome even if they want to jump in and understand.
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fUviMMuj,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-01-18T02:36:33.807+0000) > > So the thing about boards (and by extent reddit) is that it&#x27;s not just the small community but a large amount of other issues within the boards and reddit. So, let&#x27;s just shelf the &quot;small community&quot; thing. > > * Little room for dissenting opinion. > > One of the things you bring up is that &quot;Well the whole boards is in agreement&quot;, which isn&#x27;t always true. Often there are a variety of opinions, feelings and facts on the subject despite those who may purport them as the will of god. However, much like reddit, boards is not good at dissenting opinions. Often, what floats to the top is stuff that is agreed to be the issue. Likewise, those who disagree with those opinions, however valid or invalid, are silenced due to negative ideas dropping or being hidden. > > * Topical Bias. > > A common criticism I see boards complain about is the overfilled status of esports on the reddit. Which is fair, often esport posts float to the top. However, boards can be guilty of a similar thing. Gameplay posts often float to the top and, of them, they&#x27;re all often &quot;What&#x27;s wrong with Riot/League&quot;. Again, however valid these criticisms are? That doesn&#x27;t mean it reflects the will of everyone. More importantly, regardless of how many problems league has? There is fatigue that becomes associated with people who peer on the boards and see yesterday&#x27;s round of angry post replaced with a similar-but-slightly-different round of anger posting. > > * Failure of critical expression. > > &quot;You&#x27;re just a Riot drone&quot; &quot;Good to see the paid rioters out in full force today&quot; &quot;Guess they&#x27;re paying you overtime to defend them today huh?&quot; > > All of these are things I&#x27;ve seen levied at people or spoken to people who go against the grain. It&#x27;s also not uncommon to see the same criticisms spoken out to the opposition. You&#x27;re just a hater. You couldn&#x27;t do better. You&#x27;re complaining about nothing. Etc. Rather than find commonality or understanding viewpoints, there&#x27;s a feeling that you have to disagree with the person because they&#x27;re &quot;the enemy&quot;. It&#x27;s poison for critical discussion. Reddit is guilty of this as well but Reddit doesn&#x27;t act high or mighty about it, the most you&#x27;d find is a sarcastic &quot;We did it reddit&quot;. > > * Outsiders Unwelcome. > > As an experiment, I decided to see how the boards reacted to Scarra&#x27;s comment on Reddit/Boards balancing. As you&#x27;d expect? The response was absurdly negative. Flaming Scarra&#x27;s words, personal attacks, etc. I tweeted it to Scarra and his first thoughts were &quot;oh cool, I&#x27;m being flamed&quot;. The same happens with Riot and Rioters who talk on the boards. They feel attacked. They can&#x27;t be a part of the community because you should only address serious, front-page matters. This makes the boards unwelcome for anyone who isn&#x27;t a player and goes with the flow. As such, it makes it hard for people to interact if the first thing levied at them is &quot;So when are you losing your job?&quot; > > As you said, it&#x27;s not a fair criticism to just focus on the small community itself. It is, however, fair to point out that boards is a small, inclusive, very tightly-knit community with a small majority of gameplay-focused players drowning out the minority of others. Due to this feeling, it can be hard for people to engage the community and makes people question/feel unwelcome even if they want to jump in and understand. Then maybe Rioters can think about their players and not how full their wallets are.
: I personally have used the statement that the boards are a minority of our population, so think I may have some response that's valid to this post. When we/I say things like that, it's almost always in response to players making hyperbolic statements like "literally every player hates these changes" or "90% of all players don't like this preseason, just look at the boards, and everyone I've talked to has said the same thing". We don't always react to what the boards are talking/voicing frustrations about, but that doesn't mean we're not listening. Take game pacing for example, our first reaction to the boards is not to try and correct the entire game because there's a number of threads where players are talking about the game feeling like it progresses too quickly. Instead, we'll take that and look **globally** both through objective data that we collect such as game length, game pacing, time to turret kills, bloodiness etc. We also run subjective surveys in the client to collect feedback from players **globally** to understand at a higher level what's going on with the game. In regards to your final statement about "why can't the people who love the game right now come here and tell us about it?", the answer comes down to human nature. If you're enjoying something, there's very little reason to go out of your way to talk about how much you're enjoying it, you just keep doing it. When things go a direction that you're NOT happy with, that's when you tend to speak out about how you're not happy. To use a REALLY abstract example. If you go to a restaurant and order a steak and mashed potatoes and it gets to your table and it's a solid 8/10, you're probably not going to sing the praises of the chef to your waiter, but you're also not going to complain about your food. If it comes out and it's a 1/10, the steak is burned to a crisp, the mashed potatoes taste like glue, you're almost certainly going to pull the waiter over to complain about how shitty it is. tl;dr - the boards can be considered something of a "flag" that indicates something is wrong, but rather than pivot immediately, we'll take the time to make sure something is **actually** a problem before acting. Sorry this is kind of on the short side and glosses over a pretty large topic, I was just heading out of the office but wanted to chime in quickly. Hopefully what I said makes sense though, if not I can try to clarify some of it later.
> [{quoted}](name=Maple Nectar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fUviMMuj,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2018-01-18T03:21:45.114+0000) > > I personally have used the statement that the boards are a minority of our population, so think I may have some response that&#x27;s valid to this post. When we/I say things like that, it&#x27;s almost always in response to players making hyperbolic statements like &quot;literally every player hates these changes&quot; or &quot;90% of all players don&#x27;t like this preseason, just look at the boards, and everyone I&#x27;ve talked to has said the same thing&quot;. We don&#x27;t always react to what the boards are talking/voicing frustrations about, but that doesn&#x27;t mean we&#x27;re not listening. Take game pacing for example, our first reaction to the boards is not to try and correct the entire game because there&#x27;s a number of threads where players are talking about the game feeling like it progresses too quickly. Instead, we&#x27;ll take that and look **globally** both through objective data that we collect such as game length, game pacing, time to turret kills, bloodiness etc. We also run subjective surveys in the client to collect feedback from players **globally** to understand at a higher level what&#x27;s going on with the game. > > In regards to your final statement about &quot;why can&#x27;t the people who love the game right now come here and tell us about it?&quot;, the answer comes down to human nature. If you&#x27;re enjoying something, there&#x27;s very little reason to go out of your way to talk about how much you&#x27;re enjoying it, you just keep doing it. When things go a direction that you&#x27;re NOT happy with, that&#x27;s when you tend to speak out about how you&#x27;re not happy. To use a REALLY abstract example. If you go to a restaurant and order a steak and mashed potatoes and it gets to your table and it&#x27;s a solid 8/10, you&#x27;re probably not going to sing the praises of the chef to your waiter, but you&#x27;re also not going to complain about your food. If it comes out and it&#x27;s a 1/10, the steak is burned to a crisp, the mashed potatoes taste like glue, you&#x27;re almost certainly going to pull the waiter over to complain about how shitty it is. > > tl;dr - the boards can be considered something of a &quot;flag&quot; that indicates something is wrong, but rather than pivot immediately, we&#x27;ll take the time to make sure something is **actually** a problem before acting. > > Sorry this is kind of on the short side and glosses over a pretty large topic, I was just heading out of the office but wanted to chime in quickly. Hopefully what I said makes sense though, if not I can try to clarify some of it later. Yep. If the food is awful we will indeed complain. But when the food is overpriced and has taken years out of lives we have a right to be outraged. This is what LoL is like for many people right now. We feel like the hypothetical restaurant never listens to our complaints and eventually we're hit with the realisation that our favourite restaurant's ratings may tank if we can't save an already sinking ship. That's why it's frustrating. ---------- **Side note:** Good to hear you *apparently* review player responses for the surveys. I was starting to think that Riot had forgotten about them.
Hópe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-13T17:38:25.831+0000) > > {{item:3078}} 3700 gold > {{item:3071}} 3000 gold > {{item:3053}} 3200 gold > {{item:3748}} 3500 gold > {{item:3022}} 3100 gold > > meanwile > > {{item:3031}} 3400 gold > {{item:3094}} 2600 gold > {{item:3087}} 2600 gold > {{item:3036}} 2600 gold > > {{sticker:sg-poppy}} Why did you list tri force and black cleaver? Nobody builds those together. You listed an adcs actual build though. Pretty biased shit right there. Try this instead {{item:3071}} 3000 gold {{item:3742}} 2900 gold {{item:3053}} 3200 gold {{item:3065}} 2800 gold You listed the best case for adcs, yet the worst ( and false ) case for top lane. If you play {{champion:15}} and {{champion:22}} your build is actually {{item:3508}} 3400 gold {{item:3031}} 3400 gold {{item:3046}} 2600 gold ( or any zeal item ) {{item:3036}} 2600 gold Equals to 12000 gold while the bruiser build Equals to 11900 gold Again, my point is to show you that what you said is bullshit. Nobody builds triforce + BC together, and you listed the best case for adcs and worst case for bruisers.
> [{quoted}](name=Hópe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=00000008,timestamp=2018-01-14T19:51:55.250+0000) > > Why did you list tri force and black cleaver? Nobody builds those together. You listed an adcs actual build though. Pretty biased shit right there. > > Try this instead > > {{item:3071}} 3000 gold > {{item:3742}} 2900 gold > {{item:3053}} 3200 gold > {{item:3065}} 2800 gold > > > You listed the best case for adcs, yet the worst ( and false ) case for top lane. > > If you play {{champion:15}} and {{champion:22}} your build is actually > > {{item:3508}} 3400 gold > {{item:3031}} 3400 gold > {{item:3046}} 2600 gold ( or any zeal item ) > {{item:3036}} 2600 gold > > Equals to 12000 gold > > while the bruiser build > > Equals to 11900 gold > > Again, my point is to show you that what you said is bullshit. Nobody builds triforce + BC together, and you listed the best case for adcs and worst case for bruisers. Ok, for once in your life use your brain. He listed both because you build EITHER Triforce or Black Cleaver. Seriously....
Hópe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lovesick,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=000000000002000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-17T23:01:45.214+0000) > > It is most definitely a bruiser build. Unless you&#x27;re thinking that we&#x27;re talking about champions like Darius. > > OP is talking about Illaoi, Jax, Fiora and (possibly) Camille. Triforce into black cleaver is not a bruiser build its a bronze build i dont know where you come from saying thats a viable build but please do not argue with me about something like that because that is 100% idiotic.
> [{quoted}](name=Hópe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=0000000000020000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-18T03:20:28.743+0000) > > Triforce into black cleaver is not a bruiser build its a bronze build i dont know where you come from saying thats a viable build but please do not argue with me about something like that because that is 100% idiotic. Wait what. When did I ever say Triforce into BC? I said Triforce/BC->Titanic->Sterak's. Of course TF+BC is a terrible build lmao.
Wuq (NA)
: That's not what he is saying. It's not the same as it, but it added skill to using Ornn, such as using W to block a Lee ult that would otherwise have screwed you and potentially your team.
> [{quoted}](name=Wuq,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2x1EpcZL,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-01-17T23:28:25.975+0000) > > That&#x27;s not what he is saying. It&#x27;s not the same as it, but it added skill to using Ornn, such as using W to block a Lee ult that would otherwise have screwed you and potentially your team. Well ok, so long as he's also ok with the ability's damage getting massively reduced as well.
Lovesick (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=VanaQuish,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JhLGEJb4,comment-id=000e00010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-17T01:40:25.510+0000) > > No? Thats not how it works? Picking x champ to counter y champ is not healthy design. Everyone knows it. Besides if something i will play worse since i dont play that x champ. I dont have a problem kata having an easy time to kill me. I have problem when i cant do anything to avert it. And again in order to play around her you have to either have point and click cc, or to be fast enough to avoid her huge ass radius passive. Not all champs can do these. Yes they can. It's called spacing, and it's quite easy to do since Katarina can't just leap to you from a screen away (at least not without the help of minions). Lux, Malz, Liss, Ori, Viktor, LB, Zed, Fizz, Annie, Fiddle, Morgana, Anivia, Veigar, Taliyah (kinda), Xerath, Vel'koz, TF and Azir all have either some form of CC to dissuade her from trying anything or they have a get of jail free card (escape) or they simply outrange her to the point where if you're a half decent player she can't really pounce on you unless you are either near minions or she flanks you. If a Kat is flanking you then honestly Kat isn't the issue here, your positioning and vision game are the prime offenders. Any champion can kill you if they flank you, which is the point of a flank. Additionally, that compiled champion list is most of the champions sent mid lane in this meta. Other champions that do a decent but not amazing job of dealing with Kat are Vlad, Cass, Karthus (super situational), Ziggs, Ahri, Karma, Lucian, Corki, Irelia and Ryze. The thing with Kat is that she can beat almost every champion mid lane, but every champion mid lane can beat Kat. It's a risky double-edged sword when picking Kat. It's not like "Hey I picked Kat, I win lane/the game now!". Sure, her dagger spin radius is rather large, however it kinda has to be since her entire kit is purely made up of damage. Plus, blame her Shunpo being able to go to any direction on a target, that's why the range is so large. We wouldn't have any problems if it were her old Shunpo or even old Kat. Oh btw, her dagger radius is the same range as her old W, so it's really not that large.
> [{quoted}](name=VanaQuish,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JhLGEJb4,comment-id=000e0001000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-17T23:41:32.635+0000) > > Why did you bring this into our argument? I dont recall either of us mentioning it. True but still kinda irrelevant. > > Lux has shield and a snare. Malz is malz. Liss is liss. Viktor has a small shield he might have trouble against her since his stun takes sometime to activate. Lb/zed/fizz can escape. Annie is a middle finger to assassins. Fiddle can fear her and duel her thx to his w. Morgana is morgana. Anivia can stun her and has her passive. Veigar will struggle until late game since she can bypass his horizon. Idk about tali but she should have a hard time. Xerath depends on katarina. Vel koz has a relatively easy time. Idk about tf he is very predictable. And azir is a middle finger to melee champs. > > Some champs cant lane against her safely ( or rather counterplay ). Take for example viktor, veigar and xerath. You could say that xerath outranges her BUT xerath HAS to go into aa range to farm from time to time since mana is limited and he has to proc his passive. His stun also sucks at melee range. Viktor has only his weak shield and veigar has only 2 spells that he can hit kata. Q and r. > > Who would have thought that at laning phase you will be close to minions. > Other champions that do a decent but not amazing job of dealing with Kat are Vlad, Cass, Karthus (super situational), Ziggs, Ahri, Karma, Lucian, Corki, Irelia and Ryze. > > Cool. Too bad i dont play any of those. All my life im playing xerath ( or rather season 6 and 7 ). There is no way in hell im playing someone else. > > True. But she has to make the mistakes to beat her. As xerath i have won lane against kata only twice. The rest are either a lost lane or i survived that lane. > > This doesnt make any sense. > > True but it hurts even more. >Why did you bring this into our argument? I dont recall either of us mentioning it. True but still kinda irrelevant. I brought spacing up because that's what all champions do in the game, play in the range they're strongest and force their opponent to play in their weakest zone. E.g. Xerath is ridiculous from afar but weak at melee range, while Kat is incredible in melee range but borderline useless from outside of her Shunpo range (outside of flash). By spacing vs Kat you're forcing her to play risky since you'll be in charge of the trades/poke. I'll touch on this more below. >Some champs cant lane against her safely ( or rather counterplay ). Take for example viktor, veigar and xerath. You could say that xerath outranges her BUT xerath HAS to go into aa range to farm from time to time since mana is limited and he has to proc his passive. His stun also sucks at melee range. Viktor has only his weak shield and veigar has only 2 spells that he can hit kata. Q and r. Viktor has a stun (which takes time to arm) and an interrupt. Veigar has an insanely long ranged Q. You're undervaluing Xerath here. Sure he's weak when he has to auto to farm, but that's the point of Xerath, to be weak at close range. This is also why his stun is weaker. However I'd still say he's an incredibly good pick into Katarina if you're experienced with him since up until she buys Gunblade you're in charge of how the lane plays. >Cool. Too bad i dont play any of those. All my life im playing xerath ( or rather season 6 and 7 ). There is no way in hell im playing someone else. You misunderstand, those are champs who are weaker than the above champs when dealing with Kat. >True. But she has to make the mistakes to beat her. As xerath i have won lane against kata only twice. The rest are either a lost lane or i survived that lane. Yes, and Kat players make a lot of mistakes, whether it be by their lane positioning, their own positioning or their dagger commitments. Also, you surviving lane vs Kat is a won lane vs Kat. After laning phase it's your job to either get outside help to shut her down or simply help out other lanes OR continue to farm. >This doesnt make any sense. It makes a lot of sense since pretty much everyone sent mid lane has CC and/or utility (or in the case of Vlad; sustain). Kat ONLY has damage, nothing more, nothing less. That, and the fact that mid lane is overpopulated by mages who almost all have at least long range poke spell. It makes sense that Kat is rewarded with a slightly longer range when she has to setup her damage, as opposed to mages who can simply blow their rotations whenever they please. >True but it hurts even more. Then maybe don't ask for a Kat rework where she relies on DELAYED damage, which is an incredibly hard concept to properly balance. Currently I'd say it's good, but not overly good. You're right, her new "Sinister Steel" hurts a lot more, but it's her primary source of damage which she has to setup in order to land.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wuq,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PW9sdAmK,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-01-18T00:08:18.633+0000) > > I think he means Ethereal Blade, which is an item in Dota 2 that makes you unable to basic attack or be basic attacked, but increases magic damage dealt to you (in Dota by 40%). That would be either ridiculously broken or ridiculously worthless on a rune in League.
> [{quoted}](name=Tèrminus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PW9sdAmK,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-18T00:11:43.230+0000) > > That would be either ridiculously broken or ridiculously worthless on a rune in League. Yeah, but hey, it would be easier to balance than **F R E E G O L D**
Bârd (NA)
: Removing unstoppable from Ornn is like removing animation cancelling from Riven.
Animation cancelling is an entirely different concept to Ornn's W. While I do agree that Ornn's W unstoppable wasn't the main issue, I will say that it is/was still an issue. The ability already does tons of damage and stuns/applies a mark which lengthens other CC abilities. He doesn't need another feature on top of it.
: What If: Remove Kleptomancy and move Summon Aery over to the Inspiration tree in its place.
Remove Kleptomancy, replace it with a keystone that lets you go into an E.blade state. Problem solved.
: Duskblade has been reworked like 3 times and all 3 versions have been problematic
: Ok, what the hell happened to Katarina ?
She's an amazing champion vs players who give up on their first death (and players who underestimate her), which is essentially what happens at the beginning of the season, since hardly anyone cares about their placements.
DeusVult (NA)
: Is there a reason that Akali W should have a blink on activation??
It was a fine idea when it initially came out, but the main problem is that she got buffed and buffed and buffed while every other assassin got pretty much gutted compared to their initial reworked states.
VanaQuish (EUNE)
: No? Thats not how it works? Picking x champ to counter y champ is not healthy design. Everyone knows it. Besides if something i will play worse since i dont play that x champ. I dont have a problem kata having an easy time to kill me. I have problem when i cant do anything to avert it. And again in order to play around her you have to either have point and click cc, or to be fast enough to avoid her huge ass radius passive. Not all champs can do these.
> [{quoted}](name=VanaQuish,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JhLGEJb4,comment-id=000e00010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-17T01:40:25.510+0000) > > No? Thats not how it works? Picking x champ to counter y champ is not healthy design. Everyone knows it. Besides if something i will play worse since i dont play that x champ. I dont have a problem kata having an easy time to kill me. I have problem when i cant do anything to avert it. And again in order to play around her you have to either have point and click cc, or to be fast enough to avoid her huge ass radius passive. Not all champs can do these. Yes they can. It's called spacing, and it's quite easy to do since Katarina can't just leap to you from a screen away (at least not without the help of minions). Lux, Malz, Liss, Ori, Viktor, LB, Zed, Fizz, Annie, Fiddle, Morgana, Anivia, Veigar, Taliyah (kinda), Xerath, Vel'koz, TF and Azir all have either some form of CC to dissuade her from trying anything or they have a get of jail free card (escape) or they simply outrange her to the point where if you're a half decent player she can't really pounce on you unless you are either near minions or she flanks you. If a Kat is flanking you then honestly Kat isn't the issue here, your positioning and vision game are the prime offenders. Any champion can kill you if they flank you, which is the point of a flank. Additionally, that compiled champion list is most of the champions sent mid lane in this meta. Other champions that do a decent but not amazing job of dealing with Kat are Vlad, Cass, Karthus (super situational), Ziggs, Ahri, Karma, Lucian, Corki, Irelia and Ryze. The thing with Kat is that she can beat almost every champion mid lane, but every champion mid lane can beat Kat. It's a risky double-edged sword when picking Kat. It's not like "Hey I picked Kat, I win lane/the game now!". Sure, her dagger spin radius is rather large, however it kinda has to be since her entire kit is purely made up of damage. Plus, blame her Shunpo being able to go to any direction on a target, that's why the range is so large. We wouldn't have any problems if it were her old Shunpo or even old Kat. Oh btw, her dagger radius is the same range as her old W, so it's really not that large.
: > [{quoted}](name=Lovesick,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A6YEVrJo,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2018-01-17T00:53:14.828+0000) > > I can one shot people with little to no AP. Don&#x27;t act like Zoe isn&#x27;t absurd in this aspect. Mathmatically impossible unless you severely outlvl them or have a lot of AP and they are a squishy with 0 MR and hitting them with a max range Q in which case even a max range Nidalee spear would 1 shot them.
> [{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A6YEVrJo,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-01-17T01:00:59.297+0000) > > Mathmatically impossible unless you severely outlvl them or have a lot of AP and they are a squishy with 0 MR and hitting them with a max range Q in which case even a max range Nidalee spear would 1 shot them. Well.....maybe the MR reduction that came about in the preseason patch might have something to do with that. {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
Hópe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lovesick,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=0000000000020000,timestamp=2018-01-17T00:49:52.381+0000) > > Oh, so the Challenger bruiser players are wrong? Understandable, have a nice day. No, Triforce into black cleaver is NOT a bruiser build ( Thats what OP listed ).
> [{quoted}](name=Hópe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=00000000000200000000,timestamp=2018-01-17T01:55:36.183+0000) > > No, Triforce into black cleaver is NOT a bruiser build ( Thats what OP listed ). It is most definitely a bruiser build. Unless you're thinking that we're talking about champions like Darius. OP is talking about Illaoi, Jax, Fiora and (possibly) Camille.
Azadethe (NA)
: K for one thing you're a challenger level smurf who literally never has a bad game. 15 days ago you have a 37/4 Normal {{champion:62}} Game 15 Days ago you also have a 34/3 {{champion:55}} Game. But you have exactly ONE Zoe game, where the game ended by the time you had 1 kill (remake) You don't have sustained Zoe scores on any account named Lovesick. Mostly {{champion:55}} {{champion:62}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:420}} etc. You play the broken of the broken almost exclusively, and your only Zoe games are Normal games. One account is Diamond IV and the other is Plat II The one Zoe game I did find was vs a Gold IV ADC and a Level 44 Unranked mid, and a Bronze 3 top. Even then, you only 13/1/4. in a 24 minutes game. If she was broken, or could actually be reliable in those 1 hits, you would have easily had over 20 kills given the skill gap. When actually playing against same level players, I guarantee you fair far less, because in ranked you only tote a 54% win rate, which is pretty low vs some Diamonds.' In fact, you only average enough ranked games per season to account for "maintaining" your elo. Your top used champ {{champion:55}} Only gets 20-30 games a year, and you only get about 56 games overall. You basically only play ranked for the prestige. You obviously like to pick on nubs for fun, and there's nothing wrong with that. To each their own. Just pointing out your record suggests your only experience with Zoe is vs much weaker players than yourself.
> [{quoted}](name=Azadethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A6YEVrJo,comment-id=00000000000000010001,timestamp=2018-01-17T12:00:43.346+0000) > > K for one thing you&#x27;re a challenger level smurf who literally never has a bad game. > > 15 days ago you have a 37/4 Normal {{champion:62}} Game > 15 Days ago you also have a 34/3 {{champion:55}} Game. > > But you have exactly ONE Zoe game, where the game ended by the time you had 1 kill (remake) > > You don&#x27;t have sustained Zoe scores on any account named Lovesick. Mostly {{champion:55}} {{champion:62}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:420}} etc. > > You play the broken of the broken almost exclusively, and your only Zoe games are Normal games. > > One account is Diamond IV and the other is Plat II > > The one Zoe game I did find was vs a Gold IV ADC and a Level 44 Unranked mid, and a Bronze 3 top. > > Even then, you only 13/1/4. in a 24 minutes game. If she was broken, or could actually be reliable in those 1 hits, you would have easily had over 20 kills given the skill gap. > > When actually playing against same level players, I guarantee you fair far less, because in ranked you only tote a 54% win rate, which is pretty low vs some Diamonds.&#x27; > > In fact, you only average enough ranked games per season to account for &quot;maintaining&quot; your elo. Your top used champ {{champion:55}} Only gets 20-30 games a year, and you only get about 56 games overall. You basically only play ranked for the prestige. > > You obviously like to pick on nubs for fun, and there&#x27;s nothing wrong with that. To each their own. Just pointing out your record suggests your only experience with Zoe is vs much weaker players than yourself. Uhhhh "Challenger smurf"....please tell me you're joking. I *could* have been Challenger but honestly I'm nowhere near as good as I was back in seasons 5-6. But, thank you for the compliment though. I'm not that great. That aside, I don't play the most broken of the broken. I play Katarina, Rengar and Vayne as my main champs and they've been my main champs ever since season 3 (season 2 for Kat). Even when they were garbage I still played them. So, they might be really good now (in the case of Vayne, absurdly broken) but do know that I've been playing them for years now. As for the Illaoi, Kha, Wukong games....I was showing my friends how busted they were. Especially Kha'zix with Predator. You are right I don't have consistent scores on Zoe. That's because I've only played 10 games of her, at which point I got bored of her. Now, I'm not saying that her oneshot is broken beyond belief. All her Q needs is like a 0.1-0.2 AP ratio nerf+a possible look at the base damage and that's all. However, her E does need to be looked at. Most notably the trap afterwards should just be removed since the ability is powerful enough as is. Additionally the bonus true damage from her E could be changed to bonus magic damage, which would hurt her ability to chunk tanks, but it would make her just as good vs squishies. On a side note, I do not enjoy playing vs noobs for fun, I just play with friends. You are correct in saying I play ranked to maintain elo, at least for season 7 anyway. That's because they reworked Kat and Rengar and they're not as fun as they used to be. Well that, and the fact that my life has been busy. Finally, as much as I would like to say I want to play Zoe vs people of my skill level....I honestly couldn't be bothered since she's a perma-ban. In that sense I'm not the only one that finds her to be a hilariously broken champion. ---------------------------------------- One other thing to note is that I don't think she's a problem to the meta at all. She's just incredibly frustrating to play against, and that's that. Zoe doesn't even need any huge nerfs to change this, all she needs are some slight damage nerfs and for her E to be looked at; as the ability does far too much in terms of purpose.
: He has to have 4 or five items to do this. He cant one shot someone at level 6 like most mages could do to him
> [{quoted}](name=H1 H0w are Ya,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AnTwgbe9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-16T23:41:03.823+0000) > > He has to have 4 or five items to do this. He cant one shot someone at level 6 like most mages could do to him 2-3 items*
Azadethe (NA)
: Her E is garbage now, reduced by every CC reducing factor. If it can't last 2 seconds, she can't kill you (yes it reacts to tenacity, QSS, and Cleanse as well as spell shields..... and then there's the whole Nullifying Orb and Hexdrinker.....)
> [{quoted}](name=Azadethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A6YEVrJo,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-14T14:37:26.958+0000) > > Her E is garbage now, reduced by every CC reducing factor. If it can&#x27;t last 2 seconds, she can&#x27;t kill you (yes it reacts to tenacity, QSS, and Cleanse as well as spell shields..... and then there&#x27;s the whole Nullifying Orb and Hexdrinker.....) I can one shot people with little to no AP. Don't act like Zoe isn't absurd in this aspect.
Elohaven (NA)
: I've stated the life steal issue. If ADCs were forced to get it, you would notice their builds much closer to a top laner's. Top laners need more expensive items due to their kits, mobility, and ability to destroy an ADC with two items usually. It is why they have high AD scaling because they are forced to be tanky. If they had items as cheap as ADCs, it would throw off early game and make them too strong - determining the fight purely by defense. Their health, tankiness, and damage would be too much. Definitely though, ADCs need a slight gold increase in their items.
> [{quoted}](name=Elohaven,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jNQJFfXH,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2018-01-14T16:26:55.241+0000) > > I&#x27;ve stated the life steal issue. If ADCs were forced to get it, you would notice their builds much closer to a top laner&#x27;s. Top laners need more expensive items due to their kits, mobility, and ability to destroy an ADC with two items usually. It is why they have high AD scaling because they are forced to be tanky. If they had items as cheap as ADCs, it would throw off early game and make them too strong - determining the fight purely by defense. > > Their health, tankiness, and damage would be too much. Definitely though, ADCs need a slight gold increase in their items. They need more than a slight gold increase. 600-800 gold increase in their overall build would suffice.
VanaQuish (EUNE)
: Oh so the counterplay to kata is pick x champ huh? Nice counterplay. FFs man counterpicks shouldnt dictate whether you are able to survive the laning phase or not. Also 1st picking is a thing. There is no way in hell im picking annie (or any other similar mage) just to not feed kata.
> [{quoted}](name=VanaQuish,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JhLGEJb4,comment-id=000e000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-14T16:40:36.409+0000) > > Oh so the counterplay to kata is pick x champ huh? Nice counterplay. FFs man counterpicks shouldnt dictate whether you are able to survive the laning phase or not. Also 1st picking is a thing. There is no way in hell im picking annie (or any other similar mage) just to not feed kata. You do know that this entire game is "pick x champ into x champ", right? Ok, Kat can kill you in lane easily? Learn how to play around her cheese(s). Stop whining.
Hópe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lovesick,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-01-13T17:40:48.328+0000) > > 9700-10400 for a bruiser&#x27;s core trifecta > > 8600 for an ADC&#x27;s core trifecta > > Why is an ADC&#x27;s core trifecta that cheap when they&#x27;re a late game class? > {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}} Beca use thats not a bruisers core trifecta. lmao
> [{quoted}](name=Hópe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2018-01-14T19:55:53.238+0000) > > Beca use thats not a bruisers core trifecta. lmao Oh, so the Challenger bruiser players are wrong? Understandable, have a nice day.
: If you mean like a traditional Fiora skin yes. Original splash of hers is perfect at the moment. And downvoting me because of my opinion and its a legit one is kinda childish(talking about the ones who downvote)
> [{quoted}](name=WanderingSamurai,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wg7YTmA3,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-01-14T21:41:37.193+0000) > > If you mean like a traditional Fiora skin yes. Original splash of hers is perfect at the moment. And downvoting me because of my opinion and its a legit one is kinda childish(talking about the ones who downvote) Oh, I respect your opinion. It's a pity that people are downvoting.
TylerBrah (EUW)
: Even more embarrassing.
> [{quoted}](name=TylerBrah,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TQEVWed0,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-16T08:51:03.516+0000) > > Even more embarrassing. Nani the fuck?
: I don't think that she's busted. But she is to focused on one ability imo. Like if she misses her Q, she's useless until it comes back up, but if she lands a good Q, she just deleted someone. The rest of her kit is all just in support of this one ability to some degree.
> [{quoted}](name=hi ìm groot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A6YEVrJo,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-14T11:37:11.274+0000) > > I don&#x27;t think that she&#x27;s busted. But she is to focused on one ability imo. Like if she misses her Q, she&#x27;s useless until it comes back up, but if she lands a good Q, she just deleted someone. The rest of her kit is all just in support of this one ability to some degree. > Like if she misses her Q, she's useless until it comes back up, but if she lands a good Q, she just deleted someone. She has E for that ;^)
Elohaven (NA)
: Boards Discussion: Marksmen Itemization && Bottom Lane Strength
Ok, so, while I agree that ADCs are incredibly overrated on the boards....I do think that the items ADCs build need at least a 200 gold price increase, just to make them work harder to get to that dream 2-3 item powerspike. Additionally, a slight gold reduction for bruiser items would be fine and wouldn't make snowballing that intimidating. 17533 gold is a LOT of gold, and most of it comes from the bruiser of choice's 3 item core of Triforce/BC+Titanic+Sterak's, which is actually almost a full 2k more than an ADCs 3 crit. item core. Also, you bring up Lifesteal. Currently, ADCs don't even need lifesteal until like 4th-6th item since they get it purely from runes, their support and Relic Shield pretty much makes laning phase incredibly safe for them. Fleet Footwork is an issue, and I don't know why Riot buffed it the way they did. Right now ADCs who previously struggled in laning phase can now take Fleet Footwork and suddenly their amount of deaths decreases drastically and they become monsters in the midgame because of its scaling with crit.
Show more

Lovesick

Level 58 (OCE)
Lifetime Upvotes
Create a Discussion