TehNACHO (NA)
: What are the win conditions of this game?
kill everyone as fast as possible and take take all the enemy minions and eventually your minion will end the game
: TBH Fiora functions almost exactly like a juggernaut, high survivability, insane 1v1, gets beat by ranged, can't team fight, low engage range, etc, only thing that she has that makes her different is she has really high sticking power and gets her survivability from lifesteal + invulnerability instead of just items.
She can't be kited. Juggernauts can. Thats the main issue with soraka, if u walk up she just qs and runs away
Jbels (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Mordechaiser,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eNx1aGTK,comment-id=000000000000000100010000,timestamp=2020-02-06T16:24:28.667+0000) > > True even if you do what I do and take t3 t2 t1 inhib and both nexus turrets you'll still lose cause teams NEVER play around their top laner. Look at that. You're being fucking downvoted on this because nobody wants to face that harsh reality that a top laner who spends the entire game split pushing when that's all he can do is a result of his team's inability to make proper use of his contributions outside of the lane. And then they shit and piss themselves when they can't make use of the pressure generated by that top laner, they spin it that top lane is just useless in general and call us whiners. Fuck this shitty community where it breathes.
Its crazy how people still dont understand if teams send 3 people top they can take dragon or other objectives. Or hell. If you top laner is at the inhib at 15 minutes, GROUP TOP. Like i don't understand how people are so repulsively allergic to going top lane as a win condition. Its basically aram or feed.
: Fiora and Skill. You can only choose one bro. If you play a champion that actually does take skill for example {{champion:266}} {{champion:39}} and you can repeatedly solo kill her and zone her off the wave permanently into a slow push into a dive, into her missing 20 minions and you taking top turret. Go on to absolutely dominate the game 1v5. Wahhhh let me play juggernauts and instawin lane vs every melee and every ranged wtf riot I bought your skins now give me wins https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/580875823075164177/675157670629474324/unknown.png This isn't Soraka top being OP, its you well frankly, not playing good. If you're playing Fiora into Soraka, understand what your wincon is. Two ways to play it. Either play for Soraka to mess up and let you solo kill her. You rush executioners, freeze the wave, bait her into overextending, then if she does you can attempt to kill her. Or you play to scale and play passively, probably cull first back into manamune ( yes it's actually a good game to build manamune if you dont int ) into triforce ravenous hydra, and take over the mid and late game with split pushing. They have no one on their team that can match you because their comp is four ranged squishies and a squishy bruiser that is their jungler.
Thank you for the constructive feedback, i was just having a bad day.
Rioter Comments
Bijeesny (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hi Its Scirocco,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eNx1aGTK,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2020-02-06T16:15:40.575+0000) > > is it too much of ask to be actualy have an impact in the game ? or not just rng ur teammates ? If you spend the whole game either farming top or fighting with the enemy top, ofc you wont have any impact.
True even if you do what I do and take t3 t2 t1 inhib and both nexus turrets you'll still lose cause teams NEVER play around their top laner.
: Everything about Soraka top is the most efficient definition of why Top lane is horrible
: ok but how many times have they nerfed akali is the question i mean she has had so many nerfs in the past year even with a rework that riot hates her because pros ban her all the time. Now how many times have they buffed or nerfed graves in the past year and how often is he banned in pro play?
: Riot Games turned Akali into a minion... congrats
Yeah get used it kid im still waiting for a graves rework
: Runes Bug
Just happened to me, too tilted to play until confirmed fix
: YEah i know i am having a shit night, but overall my stats still speak better than yours man. I am not trying to be a dick. i am simply stating that, by your own logic, I should be higher gold than even you. However your region has so few of players it is not as harsh on larger scale region. however you wanna talk about hilarious is that you're using your sett game which is one of your only decent ones over 2.0 kda, with the highest win rate champ in game that is going to be nerfed for the next 3 patches if not more.
: YEah i know i am having a shit night, but overall my stats still speak better than yours man. I am not trying to be a dick. i am simply stating that, by your own logic, I should be higher gold than even you. However your region has so few of players it is not as harsh on larger scale region. however you wanna talk about hilarious is that you're using your sett game which is one of your only decent ones over 2.0 kda, with the highest win rate champ in game that is going to be nerfed for the next 3 patches if not more.
The point is that you're struggling in bronze, im struggling in gold. If you were good enough you wouldnt be bronze. Im sorry no amount of paragraphs is gonna change that.
: I feel like you are really just looking back at how the game used to be with rose colored glasses, thinking it was so much better then. I dont really think it's a problem with the game but maybe more with just how you feel about it. If it frustrates you this much, just don't play it. Ive been playing since Season3 and I think the game is in a completely great spot right now- albeit jungle xp needs some buffs but once that gets in line I think the game is amazing right now and riot is doing a realyl good job. I think you are putting too much importance on dragon right now as well, it's a common misconception. Dragons, as an individual, are really really fucking weak right now. Compare it to last season with the easiest drake to compare it with- Infernal drake in season9 gave 8/16/24% AD&AP.. compare that to an infernal dragon this season and each one gives 4%. Thats right ONLY 4 PERCENT. So with two infernals you get 8% which was equal to one infernal last season... and it's the same all around. Of course the soul is powerful, but you don't have to hard focus drags all game every game to win. If you got a good lookign gank top, but dragon is up... just fuck it, let them have it and snowball your top. Giving them 1-2 drakes isn't a big deal at all, let your team scale before you contest them. Of course, the soul is a good win con so as a jungle you should still look to take drags when its a good oppurtinity, specially in low elo it's easy to buy a pink plop it in the pit- no wards: u can take it. As for league being toxic... Idk league of course has toxicity but I really don't find it all that bad. Of course it can always be better and toxicity is never good, but compared to other online multiplayer competitive games league is way better. I really dont know if people who complain about league just don't play other online competitive games where u have to deal with random teammates, but it's always toxic and I think riot does a good job at mitigating it the best they can Also your point on itemization makes me really think youre looking back with rose tinted glasses. I do agree that itemization in league is stale... but its literally always been this way. League always pretty much just has the standard build and dont bother building other items.. I dont find this to be different Also the game is largely still decided by skill, if you are good enough it should be very easy to climb because of how the lp gains work after reset
: > [{quoted}](name=Mordechaiser,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PsiYbZIJ,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2020-02-04T04:11:29.474+0000) > > Anyone in gold or plat should have easily over a 80% winrate in bronze not the case in this meta. this meta simply isnt about a players skill. it's about Dragon control. I have gone as i stated 34/2/14 with a 64 vision score an could not carry the game. just because you assume, doesn't mean it is how it happens. As i showed, my statistics are far better than yours, an yet I am stuck where i am. tonight especially has been rough, with a grave jungler who feeds 3 kills bot an AFKs, an a J4 jungler who only farmed an ignored lanes an dragon. Even when i tried to jungle, no one on my team warded and pushed when I wasnt around only to die. I clearly told them to play safe until I could clear an gank. none listen. You can not carry in this meta, the amount of damage an snowballing is to much to fast. look at match statistics.. over 67% of games end with a 17 or more kill difference and 3 drag difference. There are plenty of streamers an youtubers who do Smurf climbs, and say it is much much harder this season to climb because of the reason i have stated. Again, you are from OCE, where the player base is less than a quarter of NA or EU alone. it isn't as harsh on you guys.
Why are you lying tho, you have a 3/6 kda average with a 48% over all rank solo games and 33% winrate over your past 20 games. 31% winrate in flex que. 0/4 leona 4/6 garen 0/7 trundle 6/12 trundle 1/7 karma 0/6 yorick 0/4 trundle IN BRONZE. Sure i feed some games but if i was vsing bronze players all my games would look like my 11/4 sett games. You simply aren't a good player and thats not riots fault.
: > [{quoted}](name=Mordechaiser,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PsiYbZIJ,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2020-02-03T00:33:52.487+0000) > > Coin flip means you climb with 50%. I had a 70% wr in silver there are literally thousands of people currently with over 500 games sitting at 60% win rate or better that were gold or plat, who are still stuck in bronze. Since this season I have moved up from Bronze 4 to bronze 1, an have a 49% win rate. you have a 50% win rate. Also if you look at our individual performances. I have nearly 50% better KDA an higher individual performance scores than you. (your average KDA in 104 games is only 1.34:1, My KDA in 100 games is 2.13:1) hell my Vision score average is 38, yours is only 19. Explain to me then with near similar win rates, an almost exactly the same amount of games played, you being at 104 games, while i am at 100, how we are so far apart, when my stats clearly show I perform at a higher level? Your region doesn't have nearly as many players as mine. So when you win, you prob get much more LP than we in NA. Hell i know for a fact, when i win, i get way more LP than most do. My friend only gets about 22 LP a win, I get 36 to 51 for whatever reason. My problem is, I have been through 9 sets of promos from B1 to silver an lost every set. So by just stats an skill alone you are saying I should be higher than you. yet I am in bronze. Your logic is clearly flawed just based on the region you are in my friend.
Anyone in gold or plat should have easily over a 80% winrate in bronze. "stats and skills" mean nothing comparing bronze to gold players lol. Sure your region has way more people but that doesn't change how to system works, just changes how many people can be in each rank. Im almost certain based on videos ive seen that NA iron-gold are terrible players that wouldn't even break silver in korea.
: No, old runes really didn’t. Old runes were very weak and had very little effect. They were just passive buffs that you wouldn’t notice because they were just stat buffs. What diversity was there?
You could get cd, spell vamp, and gold per second, and other stats. Every champion had a different runepage, riven would grab cd, assasins would grab armour pen, kat/akali/vlad etc would get spell vamp, adcs would get attack speed. Heim gets gps
: There is way too much damage in League... totally ruins the game
Its funny you could play top and solo take inhib and 3 turrets and still lose because your team will get bursted and cant defend
Garson211 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Mordechaiser,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PsiYbZIJ,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2020-02-02T13:16:49.547+0000) > > Idk what you guys are complaining about. Yes i was placed in silver but i easily got back to gold. U know why? Cause thats the rank im supposed to be. XD after reset you are still playing with old mmr. You are silver but still everyone are golds so you play a coin flip game,climb or not.I propably gonna climb as well when this first wave of tryhards and raging kids will be tired
Coin flip means you climb with 50%. I had a 70% wr in silver
Rioter Comments
: Ranked system, Dragons, Dragon Souls, Junglers, an the toxic state of the game
Idk what you guys are complaining about. Yes i was placed in silver but i easily got back to gold. U know why? Cause thats the rank im supposed to be.
: Remember when the majority of boards users were gushing about how balanced Sett was?
TheMusicMan (EUNE)
: As a top laner this meta is frustrating.
Literally just palyed jax vs quinn glacial augment top fed my ass off like 10 deaths and still won because top doesnt mean shit and fuck quinn players
: > [{quoted}](name=Mordechaiser,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FizeomXg,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2020-01-30T16:53:44.620+0000) > > Last i checked enchanter supports werent meant to be tanks that can burst you like a mage. Karma is not tanky nor does she burst like a mage. Are you being serious?
You missed the tank karma train huh.
: > [{quoted}](name=CaptainAntiHeroz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FizeomXg,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2020-01-30T01:59:10.191+0000) > > people hate supports being playable They clearly only want tanky lockdown supports and Soraka to be playable. This makes no sense. They'll probably take back the 10 damage they gave karma too. Can't have anyone taking out more than 1.5% of Leona's health bar with an ability.
Last i checked enchanter supports werent meant to be tanks that can burst you like a mage.
Voluug13 (NA)
: Wasnt Leona like kinda weak compared to Blitz/Nau/Thresh until relatively recently? I remember she and Braum were kinda on the bottom half of the support meta. Its kinda silly that they are nerfing the lesser evil but leaving Nau/Blitz just untouched.
Leona was and probably still is THE best support right now.
: you forgot Lee jg
True, however you can pick khaz for an almost similar effect.
: Do you even know what A and S tier are? xD
This list doesn't focus on flavour of the patch. These are hard statistics based on their ability to be affected by patches and by your ability to increase your winrate when piloting the champion correctly. For example playing vladimir consistently well will net you a 58% winrate just by picking the champion. Alternatively, picking leesin and having little idea how to pilot the champion will net you a 47% winrate just by picking the champ. Essentially this is mostly based on the delta of the champion.
: Remove senna from support, she is just a niche pick. Swap either Vayne or KiaSa (They have similar playstyles) for Ezreal or Mf. You are missing a spellcaster ADC. Midlane I have the most issues with. Lb, Kata and Yasuo all require quite a bit of skill and champion knowlede to use well. Swap them for Syndra, Diana and Talon. That way you have a burst mage, ap assassin and AD assassin. Rather than 2 AP and one AD assassin. Jungle is pretty accurate. Id just swap rammus for amumu and Kha for Rengo, but I those are all just personal preference. Toplane is also a bit off, but I can see why you chose those champions. Swap Vlad for Kennen Darius for Garen Fiora for Teemo. They fit the same roles, Ranged ap teamfighter, Juggernaut and split-pusher. Kennen is more reliant on having the pressure early, since his scaling is a bit less reliable and he needs better timing on his ultimate. Garen does hava mana issues and no complex abilities. His skill is entirely the decision making rather than champion mechanics. This might be the weirdest one. I swapped fiora for teemo since they do the same thing, try to win lane then splitpush the rest of the game. The difference is that Fiora can win a 1v2 lategame quite easily if the player is good enough, while Teemo struggles to 1v1 most top laners. Teemo needs more map knowledge to be an effective top-laner.
I agree with a bit of that. I stand by my mid choices as yes you need knowledge but if you're maining mid thats the whole point. Darius is much stronger than garen in the right hands and has more freedom in choices. 1v2 potential the reason I have fiora over teemo. Though teemo does have way more dragon and baron control. Vlad is way better then kennen in the right hands and will majority of the time outperform. EDIT: Also if you're going to play Garen you might as well play Ornn and be significantly more useful to your team.
Rioter Comments
Nixzilla (NA)
: Just Kill Her Already
Needs a rework tbh
: What the sh** is with climbing this season?
Its because half u boosted monkeys didnt deserve the rank u were last season. Constantly saw people 45% winrate climbing in gold it was ridic.
: The Biggest Int is Flaming your team
Im abit of a hashinshin top laner at times so i can feed a lot early from limit testing but know how to macro and turn it around late game. When i get people that flame me it drives me nuts i want to afk and i cant flame them back or ill get banned lmao. Like i had one game where i was 0/3 early and my jg kept flaming me even tho he fed the jax 1 kill early from invading and i didnt know when he'd hit level 2 so I got all in'd off guard. I just played proper until i came back into the 5/6 and took 3 turrets (2top1bot) jgl ended up 0/11 and whole team flamed him instead. Its just such a dumb mob mentality just focus on the fkn game and stop shifting blame to defend your ego.
: To the Akali players:
Also the secret cult of akali players who hop on diff accounts to lose on purpose and lower her winrate :> Pray for me, for they are coming for me.
DukeYolo (NA)
: I'm done with League of Legends
>Sees title, another shit post >Sees op is serious >Op complains about morde being the sole reason he lost >lol >??? >kbye
: Last season I got 2 accounts to Plat, this season I am struggling to get out of Silver.
: The reason frozen heart is underperforming.
Frozen heart should be: -90 Armour -10% CDR -250 Mana -400 Hp -Cripple -2600 Gold It loses 30 armor, 10%cdr, 150 mana, but gains 400hp.
IVSakenz (NA)
: I think what the OP is getting at.. and it is true.. Is that a mobility champion should not be doing the damage amounts that they are doing.. there has to be a trade off.. mobility is great, but they should not be doing as much damage as low mobility.. But it really comes down to the fact that the damage creep is causing issues everywhere.
Yes i agree with this. You can't have safety and damage. Like why do juggernauts do less damage than tanks? Why can katarina kill an entire team in 4 seconds when syndra can only kill one in 5?
Aminumbra (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Mordechaiser,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=apRimAPN,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2020-01-16T05:04:42.024+0000) > > People just hate this champ because his power is visible. You don't see people on the boards raging about Fiora's overloaded kit and how her W reduces attack speed. Or how vayne counters everyone with botrk and rageblade and can chase anyone down with her huge movespeed. Either you're being sarcastic; in this case, my bad. Or you're not. And in this, oh boy, you're dumb. We see people complaining about Fiora and Vayne_all the time___. Well, except for the part where you thought that Vayne's passive was actually OP when it is not empowered by her ultimate. Ever played Vayne against ... anything that has a dash, slows, MS boost or whatever ? Your _tumble_ is a great tool for chasing, and is what makes you "feel" this impression of "Hunting" the ennemies. Passive MS ? Lulz.
I didn't give the best examples but the point is still there. There is a lot of hidden power in champions that high elo players abuse that other people don't notice in lower ranks. Champions like sett however show you everything up front and therefore people are quick to judge it. Likewise with aphelios people still don't understand half of his kit and just say hes op and convoluted because you can see the power and you have no idea where its coming from. If people can't see it they don't judge it. Why do you think people make a meme out of cait losing 5ms? Or how they tweak a couple ad here and there? I hope you had some kind of actual constructive input on the matter of the subject rather than arguing examples.
: Everyone is allowed to ban what they want. And (not saying this is the case with Sett now) if a new champion turns out to be broken, which is not really that rare, then why wouldn't someone ban them? You are playing normals for fun, so if a new champion is preventing you to have fun by simply being too strong and not allowing you to play the game, why shouldn't you ban them? ___________________ If you really want to play the new champion that badly, you can still go in blind pick, can't you?
Yes people are allowed to ban what they want, which is why they are getting banned. No one is denying this. I made this post to discuss with people their reasoning with banning new champions in normal games. The point of normal games is to yes have fun, but also to practice for ranked. How can you practice to play against a champion if you're just going to avoid playing against that champion? This mindset is flawed and lazy. You ban the new champ constantly until the next one is released and then you're back to square one. And then what, you just listen to advice other people tell you who actually had the balls to play with and against the champion without confirming anything or practicing anything yourself? Lets take Yuumi as an example. A champion I personally knew for a FACT was overpowered and broken. But people banned her because she was apparently bad and had a 30% winrate. A champion that recieved NERF after NERF and still was picked competitively because she was actually good. At the time I wanted to play her because I knew she was good and wanted to abuse her, yet i got flamed and mass reported to the point my account got unjustifiably banned by riots bots (yes they reverted the ban because it was in fact unjustified). Had people not had such a negative mindset to new champions when they first released AT LEAST in normal games, then maybe, just maybe, people might begin to understand how that champion is supposed to work and be played and understand the balance and gameplay. As for sett, the guy is just another juggernaut. Darius is top tier juggernaut and I don't see a single soul banning him in normal games. So no, I don't agree with the fact that people ban them because they think they're op or anti-fun. People ban them because they don't want to have to think about the game and they don't want other people to have fun and it needs to stop, its unfair to the people who actually are competent at the game and want to PRACTICE a new champion in a game that has ZERO EFFECT on your life.
: Fuck off to blind pick then.
What reason do you have to ban new champs? You think they're op because you dont know how they work. Maybe if you had some games against them you'd actually know how to play against them.
: Aphelios needs to be toned WAY DOWN
: Sett's actually making me enjoy league again after a year and a half
People just hate this champ because his power is visible. You don't see people on the boards raging about Fiora's overloaded kit and how her W reduces attack speed. Or how vayne counters everyone with botrk and rageblade and can chase anyone down with her huge movespeed.
: People saying Sett is OP and has too much damage...
As long as people don't realize hes basically a worse warwick top im all for it.
Rioter Comments
: Alright no, Mage Conqueror test is over
Riot wont be happy until skill expressive bruisers are buried.
: No, This game was made for everyone. Not for European and American audiences nor the Chinese audiences, everyone. That's why there's servers around the globe. Many westerners can also like the current state of the game, not only Chinese. because you don't like it doesn't mean the rest of the west don't like it. Stop with the generalization and gatekeeping.
Sylaelque (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tr4shB4NSYST3M,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0ZMfnoRZ,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-11-20T20:17:23.019+0000) > > Lol nah fam Korea has always been known for Slow/safe/scale into lategame playstyle, and thats why they didn't look good in worlds this year. > > Where china at least for the last couple of years has been known for their fiestas and constant fighting. But you probably don't watch much of the LCK or LPL do ya? I'm kinda new in League, don't even know what those shortcuts mean.
Koreans prefer thought out games. If someone trolls or feeds they will open mid and not waste time going to the next one. During season 3 this was particularly prevalent where they would farm for 20 minutes then group mid and team fight, whoever lost would FF.
Cdore (NA)
: Remember when League was a game made for American and European audiences?
> [{quoted}](name=Cdore,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0ZMfnoRZ,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-20T17:05:39.543+0000) > > I remember. Now League has been changed into a game only fit for Chinese and mostly Asian cultures. If anyone doesn't know, Riot made this move to let Chinese play more games by shortening game spans. Strategy and slow pace games have been replaced with rng, twitch-based skills, and minimizing game planning. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that riot games (an indie american company) was completely bought out by tencent (a massive corporate chinese company.)
: You guys seem to forget this is exactly what happened when they removed Dominion, all the bots went from Dominion to Twisted treeline. It's mainly why nobody liked Dominion, I would not be surprised if ARAM took a hit to it's playerbase like the others did. Bot accounts have been a problem for years but Riot-tencent only care if affects their profits, which is why after like 7 years, I wouldn't be surprised if now they decided to do something against it, because now it's in one of the 2 game modes in the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Blue Shift,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=JplIAATK,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-11-20T06:45:37.872+0000) > > You guys seem to forget this is exactly what happened when they removed Dominion, all the bots went from Dominion to Twisted treeline. > > It's mainly why nobody liked Dominion, I would not be surprised if ARAM took a hit to it's playerbase like the others did. > > Bot accounts have been a problem for years but Riot-tencent only care if affects their profits, which is why after like 7 years, I wouldn't be surprised if now they decided to do something against it, because now it's in one of the 2 game modes in the game. yea with all the new games they're releasing i wouldnt be surprised if they just removed everything except summoners rift, tft, and a casual rotating game mode. They give 0 fucks about the non SR or TFT player base.
: Client is getting worse
Known bugs riot doesn't give a shit about fixing 1. Minion aggro 2. Black screen client 3. Slow client

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