: I usually just sell the talisman when im finished with it If im gnna buy an item just for wards it's not gnna be a trackers Knife {{item:2045}}
But then you a very large amount of XP from jungle camps if your not level 18
: Ivern is cancer. I remember when he was strong; he's by far the worst kind of cancer to face.
I never understand people's obsession with complaining about champions that heal and shield. They are a healthy part of the game. if they didn't exist assassins would just be free to kill whoever they want without any risk to themselves not succeeding and trust me if that was the case we'd never hear the end of it from the ADC mains! It's never fun to lose all your HP in under a second.
: > [{quoted}](name=Emelie Cauchemar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1OkZe0pv,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2018-01-13T15:23:02.148+0000) > > I always enjoyed being 3 man dove with no minions at level 6 by Ivern because Daisy could for some reason eat 30+ turret shots at level 6. As an adc you basically just had to back and forsake your turret at 7 minutes because if you didn't Ivern would appear behind your turret and summon Daisy. > > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} yeah those days are over now. daisy doesn't even heal anymore.
And Ivern gains the aggro if Daisy attacks a champ
: > [{quoted}](name=T4underbolt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1OkZe0pv,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-01-13T09:31:38.613+0000) > > Jesus no. No more Ivern jungle. This game has enough shields and heals from janna/lulu already. They already shield their adcs for twice their health and heal to full in instant. Not again double shield ardent or whatever support item in jungle meta. DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? OH, OKAY, NO IVERN JUNGLE? HERE, HAVE A HEAPING DISH OF KHA'ZIX RENGAR XIN ZHAO EVERY GAME ALL GAME LONG. THAT'S SO MUCH FUN NOT EVEN BEING ABLE TO RESPOND AS THEY 1-3 SHOT YOU. GREAT CALL T4UNDERBOLT. do you realize that Ivern moves at 325 MS as opposed to Kha'zix who moves at 350 MS? this is a *seriously* ignorant opinion, T4underbolt. Do you know how weak his shields are before he has any ap? do you know how weak ivern is level 1-2, and before level 6? Clearly you have no idea whatsoever. Clearly you live in a tunnel world where all that matters is OH MY GOD SHIELDS, OH SHIT, SHIELDS, FUCK SHIELDS ARE SO BAD. you know what's bad? getting one shot by some fucker who just jumps in or jumps out. like Kha'zix. Shields aren't the problem, you brilliant rocket scientist.
{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} Harsh, but you make good points
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: Well, you could still sell it after you reach lv 18, or maybe even at 16, to free the slot, no?
The problem there is that no other jungle does that, it only provides the mana regen in the jungle. It would be so much better if Ivern could have a forbidden idel in the slot it instead
: They're going to add another item with FQC's active that's tuned more towards supports, so I assume Ivern will just buy that instead of FQC.
Probably but that still doesn't solve the problem of talisman removing an item slot because you need the exp. Someone on reddit suggested adding the extra exp to his passive.
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