Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 14
Do you remember the champion Quinn? Is there any plans to put power back into her after the gutting she got? Feels like whenever she gets anything nice she's nerfed to the ground and left in the trash.
: > [{quoted}](name=Shriken,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yy2m2rHf,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-06T07:23:07.618+0000) > > Well when she was "meta" she was one shotting with one auto from range. Theres no counterplay to that. But general consensus people hate Quinn cause she's like Teemo, not strong necessarily but they will make your lane a living hell. Its duskblade issue... its not only Quinn.. and people hating on Quinn just have no real reasons because there is way to win against her
> [{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=yy2m2rHf,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-02-06T15:55:16.049+0000) > > Its duskblade issue... its not only Quinn.. and people hating on Quinn just have no real reasons because there is way to win against her No it wasn't just duskblade. It was a whole range of things. Her becoming strong due to meta change didn't do her any favors either. Electrocute was out right busted before they halfed the damage as well. Not to mention riot nerfing all adcs but Quinn.. dont know how they didnt see it coming. Stormrazor on release was bonkers also.
: I am very curious about one thing I keep seeing in my game and on the board..
Well when she was "meta" she was one shotting with one auto from range. Theres no counterplay to that. But general consensus people hate Quinn cause she's like Teemo, not strong necessarily but they will make your lane a living hell.
: good deserves to be in the gutter for the entirety of s9 same as akali
Entitled Ahri player, I see. Your champion is the epitome of no hard counters so I can understand why you have this attitude. No champion deserves to be in the gutter. How would you like it if they gutted Ahri by removing her passive heal or removed a dash from her ult?
: PBE 9.3 Aatrox Changes + Other ("Small Rant")
Both Aatrox ans Akali got massively gutted. Riot thrives in gutting champions and leaving them to rot until they decide what to do them.
Moody P (NA)
: how exactly does Jax have a weak early?
Take away his ward jumping. Why is he allowed to have this? He doesn't need it for his kit to function like lee so get rid of it. Nothing more frustrating than trying to all in him and he ward jumps away saving his flash, actual cancer.
Snowic (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tua1EEso,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-01-24T17:07:27.009+0000) > > sorry freelo riders balance has finally come lol freelo? Freelo would be playing thresh, pyke, zyra, or brand where I can actually massacre the enemy team and carry. Instead I prefer the very high skill cap Rakan and focus on warding and protecting my team to win. Where are their nerfs? Pyke is sitting as top win rate support and Riot doesn't touch him because he does megadamage and looks flashy to play, but because Rakan is support oriented he gets massively gutted? check your facts
Bultz (NA)
: Either these damage levels have to go or Crowd Control does
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: 9.2 nerfs/buffs plan by MappleNectar
>Does this mean that you're going to gut him? good. I like you. Nothing fun about losing all your health to 1 Galio Q.
: Vayne sells. That's the only reason I can come up with why she got the prestige version over Sejuani, even if Sejuani actually is the only one of these three **representing the zodiac**.
I don't think thats a good reason. Aatrox in terms of skins hasn't exactly been their biggest seller, yet he got a prestige skin. Sivir is arguably more popular.
: ***
Why are you bringing race into this. Completely unrelated. Are you saying people of colour are all poor?
: Remember when True Damage used to be a luxury damage type?
And then they released Camille and thought that was a good idea.
: Can we address kassadin yet or is that too soon?
Once he reaches late game it feels like theres nothing you can do :/
: Buff quinn
Yeah people want Quinn terrorising Solo Q again /s
: If it was Jinx sister I'd be so disappoint because she act talk and look so much like her, it be a real waste. Now onto another Jinx skin... It's coming from a Jinx main : it's too much. Too soon. Her last one was this December. In a way I'm happy that my main get skins but she isn't so badly in need of one. Thinking of mains of less popular champs, I imagine they could be kinda annoyed. Also her looks is pretty close to her Slayer skin so I don't know... wait and see. This being said she does look like Vi a bit so maybe it's something lore related about their past. Like Jinx before she goes mad and is still friends with Vi. If it's the later I'm excited to see it.
> [{quoted}](name=Zeiriko,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=M3WEZX3K,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-09-09T13:46:43.174+0000) > > If it was Jinx sister I'd be so disappoint because she act talk and look so much like her, it be a real waste. > > Now onto another Jinx skin... It's coming from a Jinx main : it's too much. Too soon. Her last one was this December. > In a way I'm happy that my main get skins but she isn't so badly in need of one. Thinking of mains of less popular champs, I imagine they could be kinda annoyed. > Also her looks is pretty close to her Slayer skin so I don't know... wait and see. > > This being said she does look like Vi a bit so maybe it's something lore related about their past. Like Jinx before she goes mad and is still friends with Vi. > If it's the later I'm excited to see it. The skin to me seems boring, no offence to you being a Jinx main. I also feel sorry for you guys because it might be a while before you get another skin since her last one was like what.. less than a year ago?
Hayaishi (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Popperofski,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=96G0GA4f,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-09-08T21:42:06.583+0000) > > People who say adc's are doing bad and kai'sa is one of the few reliable picks don't play the game > {{champion:51}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:202}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:21}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:29}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:498}} Varus, Xayah and Cait are literally bottom 3 adcs in terms of win rate (47%)
Not to mention Xayah is pretty bad without Rakan rn.
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=lokiemoorM,realm=EUNE,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=gA16fKMZ,comment-id=006b,timestamp=2018-08-17T19:05:33.661+0000) > > Hey Med. What do you think about draven right now? i just want to express my frustration bcz its fun to lane against him. am not asking about wether he's balanced or not am asking if he's healthy to the game. he's kit is all about damage which makes him thrive in solo q PLUS he scales pretty well into the late game for such a lane bully. 53% win rate on one of the hardest ADC's to play on both a macro and a micro level should be ringing alarm bells. Lane Bullies (MF, Jhin, Draven, Lucian) should not scale into late game. Being strong Early, Mid and Late is toxic.
Hey if Quinn gets nerfed for this exact reason, he should be too.
: ***
51% winrate is still pretty good. The nerfs have clearly dropped the 'freelo abusers' and tbh this is a good a thing. Shes still great in my eyes, riot even put her back as a botlane pick in champ select which makes me happy. The AD growth nerf isnt as bad as it seems, just means taking Gathering storm is kinda mandatory now to negate the nerf.
: Following Wukong's nerf logic, can you nerf Quinn too?
Yeah let's nerf her 3 patches in a row. Hilarious. She went from 55% wr to about 51%. With her pick and ban rate going down along with it.
: > [{quoted}](name=i cant move wtf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=O4AsFLvH,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-07-25T02:09:42.078+0000) > > What is she supposed to do if she isn't able to kill a squishy target? What will be her role/niche if you take that away from her? The problem is she doesn't kill squishy targets. She kills all targets. Period. Anyone who's not a full tank, and tbh even full tanks, melt before her. She hits everything far, far too hard. She doesn't have the traditional adc weakness of macro play; her ulti means she can escape pinches without a sweat, and also reinforce her team at the drop of a hat. Diving also isn't a weakness; her E counters almost every gap-closer in the game, rendering the assassin / bruiser / skirmisher / what have you utterly dead within a couple of seconds, because it also tags them and sets them up for patently insane burst. It's fine if Quinn's niche is killing squishy targets. The problem is that her current niche is killing everything like it's a squishy target, while hard-countering her supposed counters, and having some of the best map control + ganking in the entire game. She's got too much going on, and needs to be hit hard.
> It's fine if Quinn's niche is killing squishy targets. The problem is that her current niche is killing everything like it's a squishy target Gee its almost like the meta is made up of bruisers and squishy targets. I wonder why Quinn is so busted right now. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
: I hope Akali's W duration will be reduced in her next rework
Well its more than likely its moving to her ult.
: Ryze work on PBE
Okay if you don't get it right THIS time, do us all a favour and delete this champion. Clearly it's a problem, it's taking resources and time from other champions that DESPERATELY need help, and here you guys are working on the same champion for what now, five years?
: What I expect from the Irelia rework
: INSANE LUCIAN BUFF
What were they thinking???
Aripog (NA)
: Kayn skin concept:
Blood moon Kayn tho.
: Quinn Changes Coming Soon - Strike from the Sky!
Thank you for giving Quinn the attention she needs! I'm so happy rn. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: February 14
I agree with everything said, as long as you guys keep Quinn and Valor as a scouting/ hunter theme team when you rework them I'll be happy. The reason why i like Quinn is she feels like a "lone wolf" type and only needs her companion, Valor. You guys really just need to nail that bond between the two and reflect that on their gameplay. To me, Valor should feel like a champion just as much as Quinn does. I understand that could be quite hard to do balance wise, but amazing if done correctly.
: Besides VGUs, We Haven’t Had A Demacian Champion Since Lucian
Quinn was supposed to be the "Demacian Assassin" she was even melee at one point.
: Let's talk about everyone's favorite Demacian to forget - Quinn.
When they changed "Quinn and Valor" to just "Quinn" that there was a sign of things to come unfortunately. My favourite duo have this curse around them where Riot seems to hate them. Quinn and Valor were no where near perfect before the rework, but at least they felt like a duo. Every champion from that marksmen update has been looked after, Graves got nerfed but also buffed, same with corki and kog got reverted (wow). Q&V got nothing but nerfs and got left in the gutter, which is the harsh reality of it. +1 for the post, hopefully Riot responds.
Verxint (NA)
: Yes, supports are nessecary otherwise ADC are trash... Mid lane: {{champion:236}} {{champion:42}} Jungle: {{champion:104}} {{champion:203}} Why are ADC's allowed, and encouraged, to exist in other positions but when other roles become viable in bot lane they get nerfed within weeks? Even when juggernauts/assassins/tanks/whatever are the most powerful thing in the meta, ADC's still go bot lane. But if ADC's are the most powerful thing in the meta, they end up going in every lane.
I disagree with that. Its a champions kit that allows them to go to a different lane, not how broken they are. Quinn for the longest time was considered bad and a troll pick, but her kit allowed to be cancerous against top laners but she was shit tier pick. Try taking a kog top lane, even twitch, the lane is longer and youre more susceptible to jungler ganks, guarantee you'll be feeding your ass off without your support.
MLDzXnRRR (EUNE)
: Of course, they won't answer. They already did ADC update and if you remember instead of balancing them, we had 4 ADCs and 1 support every game until heavy nerfs hit Graves, Kindred, Quinn etc.
Kinda annoying in a way, Quinn nothing but nerfed since the update, which is what was to be expected with burst + a 2 second vision denial. Then going the extra mile to nerf her again. And yet, champions like twitch and trist remain untouched, bursting people with 2 autos from twice the range. Not defending Quinn she was broken at the time but at least she had more counterplay.
: ADCs as a class weakness should be that they are extremely fragile. They should never be able to 1v1
Never be able to 1v1? Tell that to Vayne. She must be an abomination in your eyes.
: This meta is legit just whichever botlane wins lane lol
Well i remember reading somewhere that adcs were weak and they didnt like that their mid game was weak so they changed the way RFC and shiv interact together, also made IE cheaper. Riot wanted this lol, personally thought adc was fine where it was. Lethality made riot nervous i think and caved into the crying adc mains getting bursted.
Dasdi96 (NA)
: Twitch is a ranged aoe rengar.
I remember when people were calling Quinn a ranged rengar before she was nerfed. Was quite funny.
fUlBwOlga (OCE)
: Kayn (Shadow Assassin) is really underpowered right now
What i dont understand if his ult in darken form heals him and does % dmg shouldn't assassin form act like an execute?
: Your mains' Passives are now three times as powerful. How OP are they?
Quinn. You thought laning against her was aids before? Well i got news for you..
: I really don't understand nerfs like these...
I wish they would just outright remove Skystrike at this point. Literally worthless now. The only thing it is good for now is procing TLD, you can't rely on it clearing waves anymore. Remove skystrike and add power else where.
: Illaoi has counterplay
Tldr: play Quinn.
Raoul (EUW)
: Ok, I understand galio needed a rework....
You mean relaunch which is pretty much what they did?
Eedat (NA)
: How is Wukong not an "aggressive diver"
It's like how is Quinn not on that roster. She assassinates better than most of the champions on that roster.
: > [{quoted}](name=shr1ke,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XpXEtV3E,comment-id=00070002,timestamp=2017-02-02T10:11:46.083+0000) > > Find a different champion to play. Riot considers her a hybrid assassin, if they really wanted her to be played bottom they would have balanced her around that in the rework. I'm saying I have a problem with her being possibly made into an ADC. I like Quinn how she is.
: Why pick Garen over Darius?
Because who doesn't want to step outside of a brush screaming DEMACIA
: > [{quoted}](name=463,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mTGJfNq3,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-02-01T04:14:37.905+0000) > > Lethality either made her stronger, or encouraged people to pick her more and now they've realized the monster roamer she is. Yea but the pros don't pick her, and why all of a sudden
They aren't on 7.2 yet.
Gehco (NA)
: jayce nerfs
In competitive? Maybe.
: as a Quinn player I have to say, people like you are the worst part of her playerbase Quinn is NOT an assassin or a slayer. she is a MARKSMAN. you just happen to be playing a MARKSMAN in a solo lane so don't bitch if riot wants to balance her around her primary role also any source on her getting an extended AA range? i'd really love to see that happen {{champion:133}}
Find a different champion to play. Riot considers her a hybrid assassin, if they really wanted her to be played bottom they would have balanced her around that in the rework.
: Some thoughts about Quinn (the thing about nerfs and lethality)
The rioter sounds like a dick. Thanks for the post though, my thoughts exactly +1
: Quinn purchased Youmoos mostly for the active movement speed. She didn't start purchasing Youmoos + Duskblade until it became meta. It only became meta AFTER Jhin began experimenting with the build, prompting Lucian to build Black Cleaver + Youmoos. This is why Lucian was picked into Jhin (visa versa).
Quinn has always loved anything with armor pen. Old ghost blade was core on her. It's a bold statement to say Jhin "paved the way" for adcs when that's literally been her thing since release. I know she isn't popular, however the lethality build has been pretty core on her for a while now. Even old Duskblade was decent, not rush-able but still quite good.
: Don't stand behind a minion that's near-death when MF is in AA range of that minion and has her Q up lol. That will deal at least 25-50% of your HP regardless of any lethality. Like really lethality mostly just benefits her ult, her Q hits like a truck if she gets the passive off. Just like how you wouldn't stand in AA range of Jhin when he has his 4th shot up, or Annie when her stun is up. Don't chase Singed. Don't take an enemy Bard's magical journey. Stand behind your minions against a Blitzcrank. etc. Why pick Talon when you can pick MF? Mostly because they're two entirely different champions and roles that can't even possibly be compared? MF can very conditionally do more burst damage with her Q and Talon can hop over walls and turn invisible. That's like saying "Why should I pick Janna when Zac can avoid death?" It's not even sayin anything. They changed armor pen to lethality so assassins could benefit from it more than ADCs. Buffing lethality is a buff to ADCs but it's a bigger buff to assassins than it is to ADCs. And even if it wasn't, two completely different roles
I think a better comparison is why pick talon when you can pick Quinn and do a better job than him as an assassin with range.
: jhin doesn't need to build AS or Crit (4th shot) so is free to build lethality. His scaling is superior to MF and has a more reliable ult. jhin paved the way for lethality/armor pen ADCs
Uh no he didn't. Quinn has been doing it long before mf/ jhin/ Lucian.
Jbels (NA)
: Why Marksmen feel weak
They seem "weak" because of the meta. Junglers who are in the meta clear the jungle then literally set up a tent bot, snowball their lane from there. Bot turrents being the weakest ones in the game doesn't help either, once enemy team gets fb tower there's literally no coming back from it. I main Quinn specifically top lane and the buffs to DB, EOT and lethality worry me because she has no trouble one shotting squishies imagine what will happen when the buffs go through?
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