nelogis (EUW)
: AP Bruisers will always be a balance nightmare with the current set of items
I think the reason Vlad is overpowered right now is actually due to all the cdr available from runes. Because there's so much you can get from runes, he can get Deathcap 2nd item and it makes it seem like he does crazy damage really early on, when in reality he's just mega stacking AP. I think the scaling cdr rune needs to go, or they need to make Kindlegem and Codex share a cdr passive so he can't get both.
: maybe riot needs to consider adding in possible controller support for situations like this there are controllers that are specifically made for people with disabilities (sorry if this is offensive to the op or his gf) would need to allow for a full keybinding remap but it could work
> [{quoted}](name=MordridtheBlack,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=A3HAtTjs,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-04-24T15:04:06.160+0000) > > maybe riot needs to consider adding in possible controller support for situations like this > > there are controllers that are specifically made for people with disabilities (sorry if this is offensive to the op or his gf) > > would need to allow for a full keybinding remap but it could work Pretty sure just opening steam and messing around with Big Picture Mode lets you do this.
: Mages currently rely too much on rushing flat pen and spiking before they become completely irrelevant late game when everybody on the enemy team has built an MR item. (unless you're a bruiser mage like vlad/ryze) Not only to they need rework mage items but also rescale how MR works in general because MR is still invalidating magic damage super hard late game compared to armor.
> [{quoted}](name=KirbyCake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YdfMYwEa,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-24T14:46:19.605+0000) > > Mages currently rely too much on rushing flat pen and spiking before they become completely irrelevant late game when everybody on the enemy team has built an MR item. (unless you're a bruiser mage like vlad/ryze) Not only to they need rework mage items but also rescale how MR works in general because MR is still invalidating magic damage super hard late game compared to armor. I think it's because small amounts of magic resist are easy to get, and after the first 40% being removed by Void, there's no way to penetrate it (after 38 base mr). Lethality allows...how much pen? 59, I think? Add that to the 35% from ldr after the 24% from black cleaver, and ad assassins (not that they're doing well either) can do true damage to champions well over 100 armor.
: Even veig isn't a pushover past level 4. Sure, he isn't going to one shot you, but he can put out a decent chunk of damage
> [{quoted}](name=Spicy Rice,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Whljqngu,comment-id=0001000100000001,timestamp=2019-04-24T17:54:20.414+0000) > > Even veig isn't a pushover past level 4. Sure, he isn't going to one shot you, but he can put out a decent chunk of damage With what? The 70/110/150/190/230 damage rank 2 Q? Or the W that can only hit you if you get minion blocked into it?
hiyares (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9VlhEARF,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-04-23T16:20:44.662+0000) > > Pre sure Sej is the best tank in the entire game bar Nautilus ummm shyvana is pretty sure still building full ap lol to one shot people instead of tank and tbh she never was a tank shes more of a bruiser kind of champ. its litteraly her kit
> [{quoted}](name=hiyares,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9VlhEARF,comment-id=000200000003,timestamp=2019-04-24T00:42:42.485+0000) > > ummm shyvana is pretty sure still building full ap lol to one shot people instead of tank and tbh she never was a tank shes more of a bruiser kind of champ. its litteraly her kit Good thing I didn't once even fucking mention Shyvana.
AIQ (NA)
: Sejuani and Shyvana happily welcome Galio and Lissandra to their team. {{champion:113}} {{item:1401}} {{champion:102}} {{item:1416}} Devourer
> [{quoted}](name=AIQ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9VlhEARF,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-23T15:40:28.260+0000) > > Sejuani and Shyvana happily welcome Galio and Lissandra to their team. > > {{champion:113}} {{item:1401}} > {{champion:102}} {{item:1416}} Devourer Pre sure Sej is the best tank in the entire game bar Nautilus
: > [{quoted}](name=Mr Elessar,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GqsWGM3a,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-23T12:55:58.656+0000) > > Chinese players get to use add ons in the form of timers for the minimap and Riot doesn't do anything. If you try to use it you get permabanned for cheating. u can just simply us tab to see everything... BTW we are champion, not u guys
> [{quoted}](name=Vergiliusv,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GqsWGM3a,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-04-23T15:12:33.893+0000) > > u can just simply us tab to see everything... BTW we are champion, not u guys Typical superiority complex :/
: > [{quoted}](name=BayoNX19,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NmPQNhvr,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-22T04:03:15.062+0000) > > Oh and not to mention he has a blink on an incredibly low cooldown. Cooldown of 19 / 17.5 / 16 / 14.5 / 13 :thinking:
> [{quoted}](name=AngusBoomPants,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NmPQNhvr,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-22T04:47:20.132+0000) > > Cooldown of 19 / 17.5 / 16 / 14.5 / 13 > > :thinking: It's reduced by 1.5 seconds every time he lands a Q. At level 10 with transcendence and Cosmic Insight (His most taken rune), and Lucidity boots (His most bought boots), he's sitting at 45% cdr, putting his E on a 7.15 second cooldown and his Q on a 2.5 second cooldown. If he then lands the Q, the time until the next is only one second. This means, assuming no missing, that he can E AGAIN after just 2.65 seconds. That is a crazy cooldown.
: Playing immobile champs in this game feels like shiit.
Although I agree that playing immobile champs is difficult right now, with being basically unable to sideline without immense amounts of vision, I do have to say that yes, mobile champions do pay a price for their mobility. I won't go into what the prices are because it varies for every champion, but if mobile champions were identically powered to immobile ones, but then got mobility added on, champions WITHOUT it wouldn't be playable or have decent winrates. and yet they do. They're playable, it's just MUCH more punishing if you make a mistake.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=khAPJwwj,comment-id=000000050000,timestamp=2019-04-21T09:37:57.809+0000) > > Never have a ever read a more incorrect collection of paragraphs in the entirety of my life. I literally play these champions and more in Diamond+ Just get down from that podium, boy, I know these things better than you do right now given the fact that you don't even play the game anymore.
> [{quoted}](name=CoffeeBarrels,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=khAPJwwj,comment-id=0000000500000000,timestamp=2019-04-21T09:44:05.084+0000) > > I literally play these champions and more in Diamond+ > Just get down from that podium, boy, I know these things better than you do right now given the fact that you don't even play the game anymore. Oh, I do. Just not on this account.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sandsexual,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=khAPJwwj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-20T17:40:02.446+0000) > > i mean the most popular champions right now revolve around outplaying someone {{champion:92}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:412}} so that's still a thing. > > now more than ever is outplaying more important since if you don't, you will die. You can't just blindly press qwer and get a kill because then you would be putting yourself in danger depending on your champion. > > edit: zed bad ashe good You literally just listed the champions that require the less brains to stomp a lane (Except for Thresh). Riven: Spam E for infinite shields that scale with AD, spam Q and Passive, cancel animations to do tons of damage without even having to move, which is in no way fair, like, getting hit by literally nothing out of nowhere. Get 6 and win lane no matter what, you're 0-0? Get 6 and stomp, you're 0-4? Get 6 and stomp, you're 4-0, get 6 and, uh, stomp? Irelia: Literally just cry to your jungle to come twice at level 2 and never lose a trade anymore until you win the game, just Q 3 minions and then the enemy and then you randomly get a kill. If not, just get 6 and stomp no matter what. Zed: Just spam W-Q through the whole laning phase and keep the enemy at the base, otherwise just get 6 and obliterate mid and botlane without even trying. Yasuo: Literally just press Q every 2 seconds, buy 2 items and then obliterate the whole map. What makes me feel worse is the fact that you said " You can't just blindly press qwer and get a kill" and then list literally the actual champs that can actually do that very thing, I don't know if feel bad for you, laugh at you, or just not care because you're just probably a troll.
> [{quoted}](name=CoffeeBarrels,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=khAPJwwj,comment-id=00000005,timestamp=2019-04-21T09:13:28.780+0000) > > You literally just listed the champions that require the less brains to stomp a lane (Except for Thresh). > > Riven: Spam E for infinite shields that scale with AD, spam Q and Passive, cancel animations to do tons of damage without even having to move, which is in no way fair, like, getting hit by literally nothing out of nowhere. Get 6 and win lane no matter what, you're 0-0? Get 6 and stomp, you're 0-4? Get 6 and stomp, you're 4-0, get 6 and, uh, stomp? > > Irelia: Literally just cry to your jungle to come twice at level 2 and never lose a trade anymore until you win the game, just Q 3 minions and then the enemy and then you randomly get a kill. If not, just get 6 and stomp no matter what. > > Zed: Just spam W-Q through the whole laning phase and keep the enemy at the base, otherwise just get 6 and obliterate mid and botlane without even trying. > > Yasuo: Literally just press Q every 2 seconds, buy 2 items and then obliterate the whole map. > > What makes me feel worse is the fact that you said " You can't just blindly press qwer and get a kill" and then list literally the actual champs that can actually do that very thing, I don't know if feel bad for you, laugh at you, or just not care because you're just probably a troll. Never have a ever read a more incorrect collection of paragraphs in the entirety of my life.
Haze97 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Stwessed,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LEfJljE8,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-21T08:53:48.292+0000) > > Games always been this way. Always will, happens to any competitive team game. Doesn't ever happen to the same extent in CS:GO. Even when I pay Dota 2 people usually try to win but then again Dota 2 is a completely different competition in the Asian community where it's the most popular moba. I am currently sitting at a 70% winrate on this account and waiting for my ban to end. I am afraid when I make it out of Iron I'll be given a shit win streak myself where the game will expect me to carry sub 30% winrate feeders based on my performance.
> [{quoted}](name=Haze97,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LEfJljE8,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-21T09:19:02.170+0000) > > Doesn't ever happen to the same extent in CS:GO. Even when I pay Dota 2 people usually try to win but then again Dota 2 is a completely different competition in the Asian community where it's the most popular moba. > > I am currently sitting at a 70% winrate on this account and waiting for my ban to end. I am afraid when I make it out of Iron I'll be given a shit win streak myself where the game will expect me to carry sub 30% winrate feeders based on my performance. Sorta disagree about CSGO. I very rarely have CSGO matches that are actually 5v5 the whole way through and not 5v4 + a bot, sometimes even worse. Playing non-prime is also straight impossible because it's cheater galore there. Last time I played I basically just sat on the sidelines watching my spinbotter get out cheated by their spinbotter.
Reksee (NA)
: I think that Riot should remove the attack damage scaling on kayle's Ultimate.
I disagree because it just doesn't really accomplish anything. If her ultimate did no damage at all, her winrate would barely move. It's very rare you get your ult damage off, especially later when you have the AD to make use of the scaling. So sure, I guess, it just won't really do anything.
: Viegar's W
And it'll still never hit anybody. The ability has a 4.5 second cd with max cdr anyway. It does a bunch of damage for sure, but it's so delayed and small that you'll just never land it unless someone walks into the stun wall, which is Veigar's only good ability really.
Zezilian (EUNE)
: I am getting confused now. Isn't lethality suppose completely negate armor ?
> [{quoted}](name=Zezilian,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=37eErikE,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-16T16:29:55.137+0000) > > I am getting confused now. Isn't lethality suppose completely negate armor ? Nope! Armor counters lethality. A single 300g cloth armor negates 15 lethality, and Ghostblade only has 18 total for a 2900 gold item Lethality stacking gives stupidly high amounts of damage vs base armor targets, and stupidly low against targets who have spent any amount of money on armor. Try it out for yourself! A chain vest shaves off more than a third of these champions' damage!
Zezilian (EUNE)
: Bulls eye buddy. As shyvana player I just completely getting rekt by anyone who rush duskblade. Lee, Darius, Zed, Talon so far comes to my mind. As Shyvana i try to rush Frozen mallet but fight vs Duskblade becomes not even remotely fair. Did Riot overlooked Duskblade or it works as intended ? What are the counters to duskblade considering Shyvana has no shield abilities?
> [{quoted}](name=Zezilian,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=37eErikE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-15T23:01:42.537+0000) > > Bulls eye buddy. As shyvana player I just completely getting rekt by anyone who rush duskblade. Lee, Darius, Zed, Talon so far comes to my mind. As Shyvana i try to rush Frozen mallet but fight vs Duskblade becomes not even remotely fair. Did Riot overlooked Duskblade or it works as intended ? What are the counters to duskblade considering Shyvana has no shield abilities? Hm no, that's the point. If you're building Frozen Mallet, you have no armor. Build some armor and lethality is completely worthless until they get 2 lethality items + LDR
Syrile (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YWp5A1e4,comment-id=0001000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-12T13:08:49.462+0000) > > Would you kindly share how it's *not true*? > > Are you seriously telling me that you think .1 AD ratio is more impactful than gaining 5 + 15% of his target's AD? > > You do realise there's other abilities and sources of damage in his kit, right? That is the problem with this argument. Not only should Zed be able to have multiple dashes, infinite poke with no real cooldown or need for sustain (since he does not have mana), no skill needed to land said poke, being able to become untargettable, and do enough damage to poke you by 70% with the nearly undodgeable combo, and then next rotation kill you... But he should also have super scaling in late game too? You are literally arguing that a champion built around slaughtering you in the early game should also have late game dominance as well? Assassins used to have the advantage early game, when finishing people off, etc. and then fell off in you survived till late game. But the constant need to lower skill in the game has them now being able to delete you at all points of the game, with endless safety and mobility, free vision clearance in items that are better than anyone else's items (and cheap too). But yeah... we should give them even more.. Because their kits are not overloaded enough, eh?
> [{quoted}](name=Syrile,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YWp5A1e4,comment-id=00010000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-12T22:29:33.227+0000) > > That is the problem with this argument. > Not only should Zed be able to have multiple dashes, infinite poke with no real cooldown or need for sustain (since he does not have mana), no skill needed to land said poke, being able to become untargettable, and do enough damage to poke you by 70% with the nearly undodgeable combo, and then next rotation kill you... But he should also have super scaling in late game too? > You are literally arguing that a champion built around slaughtering you in the early game should also have late game dominance as well? > > Assassins used to have the advantage early game, when finishing people off, etc. and then fell off in you survived till late game. > But the constant need to lower skill in the game has them now being able to delete you at all points of the game, with endless safety and mobility, free vision clearance in items that are better than anyone else's items (and cheap too). > > But yeah... we should give them even more.. Because their kits are not overloaded enough, eh? So...You completely change the subject after realising you're wrong. Alright then, I'll continue. Your bias is a bit strong here, don't ya think? If Zed had mana he'd be 60% winrate best champ in the game "Infinite poke with no real cooldown" 22 second cooldown says hi If you think his combo is undodgeable or does 70% of your health, idk what you've been smoking but I'd love if you could share He doesn't have "super scaling" in late game. He becomes relegated to splitpushing, which late game just isn't an efficient strategy, especially in soloqueue where teamfights are going to be forced regardless of who is present Zed isn't built around early game dominance, his early game was actually horribly weak prior to the buffs, and now is only average. It's 6+ where he shines, like most assassins. Also, Lethality items are quite awful, as most people tend to agree. Try actually spending 300 gold on a cloth armor sometime and laugh at him when it denies the full penetration of an entire 2900 gold item. Zed demands you pay attention and use your brain when fighting him, so I suppose that's why he's hated. 90% of players can't manage that. Not very hard to go double armor runes, stopwatch and seeker's rush to completely negate his existence.
Syrile (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YWp5A1e4,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2019-04-11T15:02:19.395+0000) > > Don't think you know what "besides" means. I explained why it's a total revert. not counting the two points that were attached to the "besides". Except it is not true. That is the difference.
> [{quoted}](name=Syrile,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YWp5A1e4,comment-id=000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-12T09:00:58.995+0000) > > Except it is not true. > That is the difference. Would you kindly share how it's *not true*? Are you seriously telling me that you think .1 AD ratio is more impactful than gaining 5 + 15% of his target's AD? You do realise there's other abilities and sources of damage in his kit, right?
: Im smoking the truth, and no you cant have some as clearly you cant take it. Someone who actually knows how to play Yi and abuse his r%%%%%ed mechanics will make Yi stupidly strong from iron 4 to Diamond 1. Why would a champ that abuses items such as {{item:3124}} {{item:3161}} , has 1v5 potential at 2 items, has a ability that literally makes himself untargetable while he's dealing damage on a short cooldown and built in true damage be bad anywhere?
> [{quoted}](name=DontLewdOrianna,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4khi24s5,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-11T17:43:05.941+0000) > > Im smoking the truth, and no you cant have some as clearly you cant take it. > Someone who actually knows how to play Yi and abuse his r%%%%%ed mechanics will make Yi stupidly strong from iron 4 to Diamond 1. > Why would a champ that abuses items such as {{item:3124}} {{item:3161}} , has 1v5 potential at 2 items, has a ability that literally makes himself untargetable while he's dealing damage on a short cooldown and built in true damage be bad anywhere? He doesn't really buy Shojin anymore though. After Death's Dance he could, but by then, GA or Steraks is needed.
Syrile (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YWp5A1e4,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-04-11T00:34:15.961+0000) > > Actually, he's getting the entire buff reverted besides the attack speed buff and W range. He's also getting W NERFED by 2 seconds late game. > > The .1 ratio increase on Q is cancelled out by losing AD reaping on his ultimate. He still does the same damage, and potentially even less than before the changes in the first place after this next nerf coming. > > He's overpowered right now but they'll put him back into a decent spot like he was in before. Again, it is not being reverted. I specifically posted that it is being lessened. You at this point, considering what is on the PBE and that I posted it here, this is willful deception.
> [{quoted}](name=Syrile,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YWp5A1e4,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2019-04-11T06:33:19.804+0000) > > Again, it is not being reverted. > I specifically posted that it is being lessened. > You at this point, considering what is on the PBE and that I posted it here, this is willful deception. Don't think you know what "besides" means. I explained why it's a total revert. not counting the two points that were attached to the "besides".
: Yet you fail to explain HOW it's a huge buff..... when literally every single post level 11 Ult is Zhonya'd (meaning she's running nowhere.)
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OOopG2XL,comment-id=00060000000100000000,timestamp=2019-04-10T17:43:23.105+0000) > > Yet you fail to explain HOW it's a huge buff..... when literally every single post level 11 Ult is Zhonya'd (meaning she's running nowhere.) Okay, have it your way. Her mid winrate jumped by 4% just because it felt like it. No changes at all, just magically 4% winrate because she looks prettier.
Syrile (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YWp5A1e4,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-10T16:50:15.788+0000) > > He's getting a nerf, that's enough He is getting a tiny nerf that is unlikely to fix the problem.
> [{quoted}](name=Syrile,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YWp5A1e4,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-04-10T16:52:15.136+0000) > > He is getting a tiny nerf that is unlikely to fix the problem. Actually, he's getting the entire buff reverted besides the attack speed buff and W range. He's also getting W NERFED by 2 seconds late game. The .1 ratio increase on Q is cancelled out by losing AD reaping on his ultimate. He still does the same damage, and potentially even less than before the changes in the first place after this next nerf coming. He's overpowered right now but they'll put him back into a decent spot like he was in before.
: If you're gonna nerf Zed, don't make him worse than pre-buff
Think I'd rather they just totally revert all the changes made to him besides the W range, and MAYBE the attack speed one if they're feeling spicy. I'd prefer him in the previous state than overnerfed after the prior overbuffing. It happens too often.
: WTF are you smoking? R's move speed is only TOWARD enemies. In other words, it's useless for escaping, and barely helps at all moving toward enemies..... because she's too squishy to survive late game ults without using Zhonya's....
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OOopG2XL,comment-id=000600000001,timestamp=2019-04-10T02:56:11.770+0000) > > WTF are you smoking? > > R's move speed is only TOWARD enemies. In other words, it's useless for escaping, and barely helps at all moving toward enemies..... because she's too squishy to survive late game ults without using Zhonya's.... Actually, the movespeed is a huge buff. That's WHY she's being nerfed and why she's considered very strong. It's the only change she got.
Jaspers (EUW)
: How can a small change to how W works and a bit of R movement speed end up with these nerfs? She only had high bans because CC heavy supports are meta at the moment before and after rework. If you want to do anything Riot, just put her W back to prerework.
> [{quoted}](name=Jaspers,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OOopG2XL,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-04-09T22:34:27.783+0000) > > How can a small change to how W works and a bit of R movement speed end up with these nerfs? She only had high bans because CC heavy supports are meta at the moment before and after rework. If you want to do anything Riot, just put her W back to prerework. A "bit" of movespeed? She's quite literally faster than Master Yi at rank 16. I'm not sure why they even did it though, Morg was fine without it, and more that it's here they're seemingly totally gutting her damage.
: jungle exp is shit thus making jungle just rng and less strategic. i liked picking my fights instead of forcing shit 24/7 which is what everyone already did conqueror being super broken. on top of giving AD/AP which helps a ton of champions with good ratios do even more damage on top of stronger autos, it deals true damage and you heal for the same amount? No cooldown on it and they can just get it back even if they lose all the stacks? broken rune ruins the game. point and click champions being the thing to do because conqueror is so broken (mostly with jungle, top lane has this issue with champions like jax). neeko having trouble jungling when she should be more of a jungler. give her the nidale treatment just seems jungle is just play the champions that abuse conq and u can climb even if u are terrible
> [{quoted}](name=IS2cc045cb42356,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aLAadRNi,comment-id=0018,timestamp=2019-04-08T21:55:26.572+0000) > > jungle exp is shit thus making jungle just rng and less strategic. i liked picking my fights instead of forcing shit 24/7 which is what everyone already did > > conqueror being super broken. on top of giving AD/AP which helps a ton of champions with good ratios do even more damage on top of stronger autos, it deals true damage and you heal for the same amount? No cooldown on it and they can just get it back even if they lose all the stacks? broken rune ruins the game. > > point and click champions being the thing to do because conqueror is so broken (mostly with jungle, top lane has this issue with champions like jax). > > neeko having trouble jungling when she should be more of a jungler. give her the nidale treatment > > just seems jungle is just play the champions that abuse conq and u can climb even if u are terrible Isn't Conq quite bad after the nerfs though? O.o I don't play champions who use it but I'm pretty sure it's only really Riven and Olaf now isn't it?
Feel Apathy (EUNE)
: Support Itemization, Agency. (either a stun bot or a censerbot) - (lack of gold) Autofill instantly decides who wins and who loses. Champions that render 50%+ of the roster unviable unless banned : {{champion:92}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:238}}
> [{quoted}](name=Feel Apathy,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aLAadRNi,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-04-08T19:56:38.351+0000) > > Support Itemization, Agency. (either a stun bot or a censerbot) - (lack of gold) > > Autofill instantly decides who wins and who loses. > > Champions that render 50%+ of the roster unviable unless banned : {{champion:92}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:238}} Who does Zed render unviable besides Zoe and maybe Vel'Koz tho?
: Terrible matchmaking and overpowered champions/items. ({{champion:59}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:238}} / {{item:3147}} {{item:3155}} {{item:3161}} {{item:3071}} etc.)
> [{quoted}](name=HP Crookshanks,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aLAadRNi,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-04-08T18:30:13.981+0000) > > Terrible matchmaking and overpowered champions/items. ({{champion:59}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:238}} / {{item:3147}} {{item:3155}} {{item:3161}} {{item:3071}} etc.) I'm quite sure Black Cleaver is generally viewed as quite bad, and I thought the crit changes pushed Lucian out of meta? I could be wrong though.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mg00RHEE,comment-id=00150000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-08T07:50:57.644+0000) > > This simply isn't happening unless Kat has ult on CD and misses a dagger, then decides to have a 10 second long auto attack battle with an AD champion. Or you can watch the VOD and see it is clearly the case and that Zed can ult her dancing blade so she doesn't even get a dagger beyond her preparation one, losing the damage race just like Zed can ult Talon's Q, deny the Talon a huge portion of his damage (the talon Q) and delay his passive proc. Zed outbursts all these assassins, and since Zed builds Edge of Night and Katarina does not, and Zed has nullification orb and hexdrinker as available options while a Katarina only has Zhonyas and AP champs have no anti AD damage keystones, Zed will always win the burst race.
> [{quoted}](name=Crescent Dusk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mg00RHEE,comment-id=001500000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-08T21:01:07.372+0000) > > Or you can watch the VOD and see it is clearly the case and that Zed can ult her dancing blade so she doesn't even get a dagger beyond her preparation one, losing the damage race just like Zed can ult Talon's Q, deny the Talon a huge portion of his damage (the talon Q) and delay his passive proc. Zed outbursts all these assassins, and since Zed builds Edge of Night and Katarina does not, and Zed has nullification orb and hexdrinker as available options while a Katarina only has Zhonyas and AP champs have no anti AD damage keystones, Zed will always win the burst race. Of course Zed does more damage than Katarina in a duel. All of Kat's damage is aoe, and she has resets, plus no resource. That's a lot of power put into those two things that don't mean crap in an actual 1v1. Can't watch the VOD unfortunately but the way you're making it sound is exactly like what I said. Also, Zed doesn't build edge of night until minimum 4th, sometimes 5th item. Most of the time, not at all.
: I can't be the only person thinking this obvious truth, right?
The counterplay to most of these champions becomes more clear as you practice and get better at the game. You're level 37, and don't play ranked. Unless you're smurfing, this tells us you're still a relatively new player. This isn't a bad thing though. It just means you need to practice a bit more. Keep playing, grow more experienced. You could even look up a couple of guides. Maybe even watch some people play these champions and figure out their weaknesses. Always see if you can find out something new, it more options to take and lets you totally destroy players without the knowledge that you worked hard to gain. These champions all have counterplay, though admittedly sometimes it's not always YOU who is responsible for it. Just do your best and keep trying. You'll make it.
: agreed this game is a gimmick fest meant for mass appeal so they can get as many players and make as much money as possible it is a joke master yi is a joke zero skill
> [{quoted}](name=schübert,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7X9rniAH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-07T08:48:19.668+0000) > > agreed this game is a gimmick fest meant for mass appeal so they can get as many players and make as much money as possible it is a joke master yi is a joke zero skill You're literally level 12. Stop thinking you know anything about the game at all.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mg00RHEE,comment-id=001500000000,timestamp=2019-04-08T02:21:33.748+0000) > > Yeah, he does though. > > Like I can do the calculations for you if you disagree, but even without Seeker's, he still cannot just straight kill someone with WEQAuto. That comes when he's extremely fed and finds an ADC 3 levels below. Or you can look up Laceration's OP.GG in his latest match against KatEvolved (top zed na vs top kat na) and watch the replay and how he kills an opponent from full health who has 3 kills over him despite having built Zhonyas without his ult. At lv13-14 btw, on a Katarina with considerably more kills than him and less deaths. He's a ridiculously scaling champ, and the main reason why he's the only assassin who has ever been able to duel top Rivens while even and come out on top.
> [{quoted}](name=Crescent Dusk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mg00RHEE,comment-id=0015000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-08T03:07:58.708+0000) > > Or you can look up Laceration's OP.GG in his latest match against KatEvolved (top zed na vs top kat na) and watch the replay and how he kills an opponent from full health who has 3 kills over him despite having built Zhonyas without his ult. At lv13-14 btw, on a Katarina with considerably more kills than him and less deaths. > > He's a ridiculously scaling champ, and the main reason why he's the only assassin who has ever been able to duel top Rivens while even and come out on top. This simply isn't happening unless Kat has ult on CD and misses a dagger, then decides to have a 10 second long auto attack battle with an AD champion.
: > [{quoted}](name=MyBotLaneLoses,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mg00RHEE,comment-id=0015,timestamp=2019-04-07T23:00:18.878+0000) > > {{item:3191}} is basically an item that says "ok i know your weq rotations are bullshit so Im literally not going to interact with you in lane for the next 7 minutes because trading with you is a waste of resources" > > Zed's not OP but god he feels awful to play against and I assume play as when the enemy laner builds zhonyas because nothing is happening. Which sortve makes me have the advantage as a mage player but its extremely uninteractive and boring He doesn't need R to kill mages after 2 items. His scaling is that stupid.
> [{quoted}](name=Crescent Dusk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mg00RHEE,comment-id=00150000,timestamp=2019-04-08T01:58:03.910+0000) > > He doesn't need R to kill mages after 2 items. His scaling is that stupid. Yeah, he does though. Like I can do the calculations for you if you disagree, but even without Seeker's, he still cannot just straight kill someone with WEQAuto. That comes when he's extremely fed and finds an ADC 3 levels below.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BbgMmAjJ,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-04-06T22:33:46.396+0000) > > Armor doesn't do more or less than it did two years ago. > > It still scales the same way, the items giving it haven't been changed much in terms of stats either. > > The only true damage related stuff has been 10% on Conqueror and the W buff for Vayne. Zoe's E is pretty minor, and Pyke's ultimate doesn't really count. > > Fiora is totally out of meta so the other main source of frustration isn't present. > > There hasn't been any buff to penetration besides the initial LW item, but I legitimately have never seen a single person with it in their inventory for some reason. It's only really bought on assassins anyway, I feel. > > Armor and its effect just hasn't really changed much at all. Besides Conq and Vayne, it's the same as it always has been. overall damage has skyrocketed since season 5 easily. Penetration itself is actually up since lethality scales better than flat pen used to. More importantly, the amount of %hp in the game and the amount of flat damage is so goddamn high. Why exactly do you think tanks aren't even meta outside of maybe 1 or 2 (chogath and ornn, and ornn not even for his tankiness, just for his ult and passive and his INSANE fucking damage output for a tank). Armor hasn't changed, but damage, especially physical, has.
> [{quoted}](name=Tychusfindlay918,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BbgMmAjJ,comment-id=00070001,timestamp=2019-04-07T04:15:43.945+0000) > > overall damage has skyrocketed since season 5 easily. > > Penetration itself is actually up since lethality scales better than flat pen used to. > > More importantly, the amount of %hp in the game and the amount of flat damage is so goddamn high. Why exactly do you think tanks aren't even meta outside of maybe 1 or 2 (chogath and ornn, and ornn not even for his tankiness, just for his ult and passive and his INSANE fucking damage output for a tank). > > Armor hasn't changed, but damage, especially physical, has. Poppy and Galio are rather meta, as well as Sejuani. Cho'Gath is quite bad...and Ornn is just...abysmal champion. 46% winrate for a reason. Overall damage has totally changed, I can agree. Just resists haven't. They've done the same for years. 100 armor has always halved physical damage, just that back then you'd halve 1000, and now you're halving like 1500.
: building armor.
Armor doesn't do more or less than it did two years ago. It still scales the same way, the items giving it haven't been changed much in terms of stats either. The only true damage related stuff has been 10% on Conqueror and the W buff for Vayne. Zoe's E is pretty minor, and Pyke's ultimate doesn't really count. Fiora is totally out of meta so the other main source of frustration isn't present. There hasn't been any buff to penetration besides the initial LW item, but I legitimately have never seen a single person with it in their inventory for some reason. It's only really bought on assassins anyway, I feel. Armor and its effect just hasn't really changed much at all. Besides Conq and Vayne, it's the same as it always has been.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7HLPiHzE,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2019-04-06T02:43:09.738+0000) > > Just because a champion has a counter doesn't make them fair or balanced. > > In the world you described, the mere act of Neeko being open would mean neither team can pick any Marksman at all for fear of virtually autolosing. > > That's not how the game is meant to work. This isn't rock-scissors-paper. > > That's what Overwatch tried to do, and look where that game went :/ overwatch didnt try that ,-, they just blatantly forced a meta by nerfing certain champions to the point of unusability like mercy,soldier (prebuffs and all the tank/shields coming), brigitte who countered EVERYTHING like a yasuo (outdueling dps, tanks, healers) they just blatantly did what riot did, make every new hero infinitely better than an already existing one :/ also if someone picks an assassin into your adc :^) let a tank go in the adc's spot boom done and adc can go somewhere else (if enemies pick 5 assassins to counter that adc pick 4 tanks and ggez) also ye its 100% not rock paper scissors but it doing that sometimes helps increase your chances of winning :^)
> [{quoted}](name=KittyKàtKàtàrinà,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7HLPiHzE,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-06T09:36:54.910+0000) > > overwatch didnt try that ,-, they just blatantly forced a meta by nerfing certain champions to the point of unusability like mercy,soldier (prebuffs and all the tank/shields coming), brigitte who countered EVERYTHING like a yasuo (outdueling dps, tanks, healers) they just blatantly did what riot did, make every new hero infinitely better than an already existing one :/ also if someone picks an assassin into your adc :^) let a tank go in the adc's spot boom done and adc can go somewhere else (if enemies pick 5 assassins to counter that adc pick 4 tanks and ggez) > > also ye its 100% not rock paper scissors but it doing that sometimes helps increase your chances of winning :^) So you want the game to be decided in champion select? This ruins all skill and thought, taking it all in favor of making the red team instantly win every single game. Interesting. Not a very good idea.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7HLPiHzE,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-04-06T00:28:33.590+0000) > > Tbf, Neeko was legitimately 57-58% winrate, and Viktor top basically ruined the lane on his own. > > The others though I do agree. pick an assassin in adc position and watch that winrate plummet with katarina against her i never had a problem :^) and again top kat vs viktor was really easy ) so i see no issue
> [{quoted}](name=KittyKàtKàtàrinà,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7HLPiHzE,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-04-06T00:45:50.186+0000) > > pick an assassin in adc position and watch that winrate plummet with katarina against her i never had a problem :^) > and again top kat vs viktor was really easy ) so i see no issue Just because a champion has a counter doesn't make them fair or balanced. In the world you described, the mere act of Neeko being open would mean neither team can pick any Marksman at all for fear of virtually autolosing. That's not how the game is meant to work. This isn't rock-scissors-paper. That's what Overwatch tried to do, and look where that game went :/
: Either every champ should be allowed to go in 3 lanes or no champ should be allowed to go in 3 lanes
Tbf, Neeko was legitimately 57-58% winrate, and Viktor top basically ruined the lane on his own. The others though I do agree.
: New Zed Legendary on PBE, and could this hopefully mean we get the Odyssey mode back?
Pretty sure we're actually getting Star Guardian game mode or something.
Kamille W (EUW)
: I was playing Nunu with full tank build and I died in 6 seconds.
> [{quoted}](name=Kamille W,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4iAiunYE,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-04-02T16:36:53.574+0000) > > I was playing Nunu with full tank build and I died in 6 seconds. You kinda should though lol. Full build tank shredding adcs are meant to do this.
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=oortoomeebreesuu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MBdhiG0T,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-31T23:46:18.902+0000) > > you mean you don't love fighting kennen vlad and gnar as a melee? you hate being stat checked into oblivion? you mean to tell me the 100% presence urgot aatrox match up didn't give you butterflies in your tummy? what kind of person are you, next you're going to tell me you don't like cacti being shoved up your urethra or hot pepper in your eyes. I hate playing against Kennen and Gnar, but I guess I just know Vlad matchups really well since I main him in mid. The key is that his rage bar is a giant notification of his Q CD, which is quite high early. Freeze and all in, then all in against while the crazy pool cooldown is off, generally. He can definitely be annoying top and I kinda wish they'd push him out of it somehow. Base armor nerf would be nice.
Gatherer (EUNE)
: There are so many op champs right now that the 10 ban system feels...off. Zed,Akali,Zoe,Urgot,Riven,Vayne,Kayle,Sylas,Pyke and some others.
> [{quoted}](name=Gatherer,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ej4Y2cwn,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-03-31T20:00:41.067+0000) > > There are so many op champs right now that the 10 ban system feels...off. Zed,Akali,Zoe,Urgot,Riven,Vayne,Kayle,Sylas,Pyke and some others. ....Pyke and Zed? Idk man. Pyke is getting buffs in the next patch for a reason.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=K9NkTdOA,comment-id=00010000000000000001,timestamp=2019-03-31T16:24:17.898+0000) > > If your champ can't deal like 150 dps at 3 items, you're probably trying to 1v1 Yi as Janna. I hate to inform you. But he heals for a lot more than 150. Guinsuu and his passive turns into around 2 autos every 1 auto. So realistically with a Bork and bloodline he is healing for almost 580 per second. Assuming he didn’t get any other lifesteal of any kind.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=K9NkTdOA,comment-id=000100000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-31T16:27:20.406+0000) > > I hate to inform you. But he heals for a lot more than 150. > Guinsuu and his passive turns into around 2 autos every 1 auto. So realistically with a Bork and bloodline he is healing for almost 580 per second. Assuming he didn’t get any other lifesteal of any kind. He'd need to be dealing over 2500 damage per second through resistances for that, and his true damage isn't even counted for lifesteal. If you think a Yi with about 160 AD is dealing 600+ an auto at 3 items idk what to tell you. You don't need to lie to make your point sound better.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=K9NkTdOA,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-03-31T01:07:16.112+0000) > > Oookay. Yi. Lol. > > Ayyyy have you tried actually hitting him back? I hate to tell you this. But after 3 items yi heals for more than most champions can dish out. So cc is really the only answer.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=K9NkTdOA,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-31T07:12:30.065+0000) > > I hate to tell you this. But after 3 items yi heals for more than most champions can dish out. So cc is really the only answer. If your champ can't deal like 150 dps at 3 items, you're probably trying to 1v1 Yi as Janna.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cYtJGrFm,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-30T10:49:18.760+0000) > > Uh... What? The reason there's so much damage in urf is due to dragon and how much faster you get gold compared to xp. > > You can totally complain there's too much damage in the game, but don't use a joke, intentionally unbalanced game mode as reference. There is so much damage, a 20/0 Neeko 1 shot multiple people from full health with her R. When R is down, she's 2 shotting people. This was in normals, not URF.
> [{quoted}](name=ManBearPig916,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cYtJGrFm,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-31T04:48:37.193+0000) > > There is so much damage, a 20/0 Neeko 1 shot multiple people from full health with her R. When R is down, she's 2 shotting people. This was in normals, not URF. ???... She was 20/0. ???????? This has always happened. Veigar used to do it to you with half that score.
ZoWeeLoli (EUNE)
: Assassins got overbuffed thanks to lethality. Just remove lethality in order to fix ad assassins...
> [{quoted}](name=ZoWeeLoli,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q4E8O1XY,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-03-31T01:00:56.882+0000) > > Assassins got overbuffed thanks to lethality. > Just remove lethality in order to fix ad assassins... On the contrary, lethality is really, really bad. It's the stat's power curve that is the issue. At one item it does nothing. At two it's better. At 3 full items, last whisper and BC, you're ignoring anyone who has less than like 100 armor. That's why it's so good later. Still does nothing early on though.
: actually...assassins do have around 50% of the mid-lane pick rate 47% in NA
> [{quoted}](name=3TWarrior,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q4E8O1XY,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-31T01:01:13.903+0000) > > actually...assassins do have around 50% of the mid-lane pick rate > > 47% in NA Pretty sure this is just because Zed and Yasuo.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sucction,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=K9NkTdOA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-30T10:52:27.395+0000) > > Which champ are you talking about? > > If this is a "Wahhh Yi is op, me iron 2! Team bad!" Thread then I'm gonna be really disappointed. Yi. Jax. Kayle. Vayne. Urgot. Nasus. List goes on. Although urgot and nasus take more than 2 stubs.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=K9NkTdOA,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-03-30T11:11:09.908+0000) > > Yi. Jax. Kayle. Vayne. Urgot. Nasus. List goes on. Although urgot and nasus take more than 2 stubs. Oookay. Yi. Lol. Ayyyy have you tried actually hitting him back?
: Riot its not balanced when a Champ can 1v9 with out your team having 2+ STUNS
Which champ are you talking about? If this is a "Wahhh Yi is op, me iron 2! Team bad!" Thread then I'm gonna be really disappointed.
: Tenacit ybegin sgettin gdiminishin greturns afte r30% I ti shardcappe da t72 %
> [{quoted}](name=A Large Pepsi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=b69ElIO4,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-30T06:36:58.111+0000) > > Tenacit ybegin sgettin gdiminishin greturns afte r30% > > I ti shardcappe da t72 % Not sure if you had a stroke but... I'm pretty sure it's not hard capped at 72%. There was a Vandiril video a while ago on this.
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