Rioter Comments
: nah, if they did it for xayah to, thatll make them have like 8 skins together and theyve only been here for like 2 years meanwhile. kalista have yet to get a non esports related skin since her release.
> [{quoted}](name=Akali Prime,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Vhv2Wgrr,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-04-02T17:53:28.158+0000) > > nah, if they did it for xayah to, thatll make them have like 8 skins together and theyve only been here for like 2 years meanwhile. > kalista have yet to get a non esports related skin since her release. Low pick rate champions will never see skins really. Riot are out for money with skins really which is why we see the same champs get skins.
: Why don't you hop on a treadmill and cut the sugar instead of looking for validation in fictional characters This comment is posted by someone who weighed almost 300 lb last year (230 now) so I'm allowed to """fat shame""" :^)
Well i'm actually not fat. 6'2" 210 pounds isn't fat.
Zyranium (EUW)
: Meh, give me monster girls instead.
: She is Asian and how you personally feel about her aesthetics doesn't matter.
Irelia doesn't look asian at all. Xin i guess yeah. Shen we can't see him as he is covered up fully. Akali ofc is asian looking. Karma is indian. Ahri looks like well.. yeah she looks like an anime character but does that mean she is asian? So yeah Yas, xin and akali are all asian. That still makes it 3 deffinently asian characters out of a roster of 140+.
: > [{quoted}](name=Volcanuz,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=sO0PbUX9,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-03-14T09:13:04.978+0000) > > 39 of the humanoid females out of the 43 female champions are all hyper sexualized skinny big breasted champions. If that is diverse than im shocked as to what you think the word means. > > All i am saying is maybe some more body types would be nice. Even on a sexual front not all guys are into super thin girls with big knockers. Diversity even in the sexual ascetic would be welcome. If you think 39 of the humanoid female champions are "all hyper sexualized", I'm shocked as to what you think the word means.
Find me one that doesn't have a skin that bares their assets close to soft core levels and ill agree with you.
Fasmodey (EUW)
: {{champion:103}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:76}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:5}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:498}} And other ambigious ones I did not include. Im open to not caucasian/white champions all day but I don't think LoL severely suffers in that regard.
Woo hoo 14 characters out of how many? Oh 143. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Volcanuz,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=sO0PbUX9,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-14T09:09:39.907+0000) > > This. > > Everyone is thinking i am asking super fatties all around. I am just asking for more variety to the females and males. Its just weird that majority of female charcters are big boob'd twigs with slight changes to them or cute. And males are all monsters or buff freaks. Most people will aspire to be those things. It has been that way since the beginning of humanity and it will continue to be that way until the extinction of the human race
Oh get lost. No one aspires to be a character in a game, are you mad? By your thoughts there are people who aspire to be Kog'maw then. That statement is the most stupid thing ever said for real. Personality is what people aspire to not the actual image unless its to obtain the societal norm of an image aka looking fit or cool. Aspiring to be fat would never be a thing in a world of pleanty. Back in the day being fat was considered ultra cool or amazing because food or obtaining weight was only for the wealthy or richer nations. But no one in this day and age unless seriously mentally ruined aspires to be fat due to a VIDEO GAME. For real if you are using this argument you are grasping for straws.
Kanzler (NA)
: ***
What if every character looked like teemo. Thats it just teemo. All the same skills but we all looked like teemo. How exactly would you react to the game? Would you enjoy the game as much? No you wouldn't. Themes can be pulled off better with more variety in the game. FFS look at champs like Kha, Rek, Cho. All convey something about the character due to the drastic change from the norm. Then look at a plain as champion like Lux, blonde woman with tits and butt hanging out. Oh wow super amazing, lets give her a million skins that hyper sexualize her more so kids throw their dads wallet at the screen. That form of sex sells i know. But for real a lot of us like a lot of different things you know. The last male character who was abnormal and human was Jhin, the last abnormal to champion for females was Illaoi. And before that there wasn't any other apart from maybe singed for males and no one else for females. EDIT: also Reinhart is fucking stacked dude. Have you not seen him out of suit? He is god damn huge. He is a god looking ripped viking that is like 7ft tall.
Kanzler (NA)
: ***
No where in my freaking post did i ever mention the word "Fat". I said plus size which can be from size 8 american to 16. If i were to point out the size im talking about in general, look at the character Mei from Overwatch. Fat is fat, plus size doesn't include that. If i wanted fat characters i would say that word, i didn't. I was specifically talking about human characters in general men or female that had more normal sizes. For real graves for instance doesn't need to be super ripped really he utilizes his raw power to get stuff done. Or look at some of the best fighters in UFC or any fighting sport, a good chunk of them aren't ultra ripped to the teeth, some have guts even. So acting like muscles = strength or the ability to be a champion/legend is stupid. For instance no where does it say a character could be heavy set like a truck and not be able to wield a special item which makes them amazing. Look at some of the champions who wield special items which make them amazing for instance, or have been bestowed with power by some god/creature. I just find it funny everyone was thinking i was asking for them to add honey boo boo's mum into the game. No where ever did i say that. I just want more diversity in race and size of characters mainly around the human form females and even men. That never meant i want "LOTS OF FAT CHARACTERS LOL". No. If there were me WANTING something i would love at least one similar to Iskra Lawrence (yes she is considered plus sized). If you consider Iskra Lawrence fat then holy shit you are crazy.
Jamaree (NA)
: Fuck you man, Illaoi is hot as shit, fite me.
I love illaoi what are you on about. I have 3 accounts that are one trick illaoi accounts (newest one being MenBend2Ez). Each i have around 40K-500k mastery on her. This account has her to close to 90K mastery. I love her style, i love the look. And actually she is the reason i actually made the post because i love the beefy look she has going. She is a tough woman and she fucking shows it with how hard she smashes the enemy. Sexy strong island woman, what is not to love? I don't know where you got that i dislike illaoi.
Hotarµ (NA)
: I think you're forgetting that Ionia is _basically_ Asia. (*) There are maybe 20-30 white champions (with me rounding that number up) and like 20-_ish_ non-white champions. I'm probably glossing over a few or adding extras, so give or take a few from each and you'll see that the gap really isn't that big. I personally don't care either way. Just make the champion well written and cool looking. ######(*) I say "basically Asia" because a large amount of the lore, artwork, and champion design is influenced heavily by Asian culture such as martial arts, samurai, ninjas, spiritualism, etc. I think it's safe to say that most champions from Ionia aren't white.
Oh i know that. But it is on the boarder of just not even being asian. I feel a lot of it is due to Riot PR just trying to avoid stereotyping or being yelled at for making a character asian and it being a not well received champion.
nelogis (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Volcanuz,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=sO0PbUX9,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-03-14T07:47:39.319+0000) > > Yeah i know. But the list of non-white to white is pretty freaking huge. The fact there is close to only 10 which could be CONSIDERED a different ethnicity is kinda sad. No it isn't sad It's sad that people actually focus on that kind of stuff I didn't even waste a thought on ethnicity of the league characters I didn't even realize that most of them are white because it doesn't matter. What matters is that the characters have a good story behind them and are unique.
What matters is how much extra can come from it really. Some times it is nice to have representation.
: Ugh too much sexy can't stand it ugh hehe lmao Plenty of character diversity in this game already.
39 of the humanoid females out of the 43 female champions are all hyper sexualized skinny big breasted champions. If that is diverse than im shocked as to what you think the word means. All i am saying is maybe some more body types would be nice. Even on a sexual front not all guys are into super thin girls with big knockers. Diversity even in the sexual ascetic would be welcome.
: > [{quoted}](name=Kanzler,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=sO0PbUX9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-14T04:04:07.685+0000) > > Dont glorfy fat people. He didn't "glorify" fat people though. He just asked for a more realistic roster. Because, like it or not, fat people do exist.
This. Everyone is thinking i am asking super fatties all around. I am just asking for more variety to the females and males. Its just weird that majority of female charcters are big boob'd twigs with slight changes to them or cute. And males are all monsters or buff freaks.
: > As a white guy i feel weird that nearly every freaking character is white to some extent, and there is no Asian characters at all except yas? But he seems white like a weeb.(unless we count taliyah/irelia as one? it is hard to tell). Lucian is black, Karma, Ekko and Nida all have asian skin color.
Yeah i know. But the list of non-white to white is pretty freaking huge. The fact there is close to only 10 which could be CONSIDERED a different ethnicity is kinda sad.
Madjack01 (EUW)
: Why would you feel weird because most characters are white?
Because its a world wide game? Loved by all ethnicity and i would love to see more styles they can pull out which create cool characters of different background ascetics. It makes me confused is all, I remember when Taric was a black dude, then he got a VFX and became white. It just seems weird is all. I just want more variety how is this a bad thing.
: fat and sexy dont go together man :/
Again plus size doesn't = fat. Plus size means anything above size 10 in america.
: Depends what you're asking. A little bit more fat I can understand. But straight up obesity shouldn't be encouraged or glorified. It is a problem afterall that many of the obese people are trying to get rid of (I didn't say all cause apparrntly there are some people who enjoy being obese and dying at 40 from a hearth attack)
Plus size doesnt mean a whale mate. If you read my post i even pointed out more shapes like Illaoi. Doesn't need to be gargas level fat. Just a little more on them.
floo (EUW)
: If this rule should ever make its way into your balancing, will that be a reason to finally change something about Yasuo, who has been under critic since his release?
Should just delete the champion to be honest. Already too much connotation of jerkwad player. People normally see a yas pick and know that person is going to be a prick. Then you have the insane kit which in the right hands is near impossible to stop or shut down. The only way to balance him would be just to totally gut him and rework a lot of his kit. Or at least remove/change his passive. I find him easy to vs personally. But some times his kit allows him too much freedom to escape other high skill plays without much skill needed. As much as people want to think he is high skill, he really isn't. For real if any champ needs to be looked deep into to make work better its yas. He needs proper counters (not just camping him with jungle, or hoping the yas sucks real bad at playing him), he needs something taken away so there is actual skill needed to play him.
: Banrate is a measure of frustration, not power. Yasuo and Zed are always going to have high banrates, even when they're not high tier champions. We know this since we can see those stats this whenever Yasuo and Zed are not high tier, such as pretty much all of season 8 with Zed. Not a competitively viable pick whatsoever (mages are better), but still a high banrate. You shouldn't use banrate as a justification for nerfing or buffing anything, since it doesn't measure power.
Darius sees a high banrate due to the limited counter picks or item counters for late and early game. The fact he only has a couple hard counters that are all high skill or at least high ban chance alone is why he is banned. This is just an example ofc. Just pointing out it isn't just frustration which causes bans its the limitation on viable counters to their lane/jungle phase which causes a hard ban, the late game can be an impacting decider for a ban but most the time its what is POTW and what hard counters you in lane. The fact that some champions are a must ban even if you can beat them in lane (blitz, Zed, LB for example) doesn't mean they aren't too strong for their current state of kit. Items or runes can also be a huge deciding factor, you add buffs to items and a buff to champion back to back you sure as hell will see a massive spike in their winrate that might maintain for a long time. Some of these champions who are getting banned all the time do need nerfs, but they need to be nerfs that are well thought about. For instance the front loaded damage of Blitz could be reduced, that alone would make him less potent in lane and in team fights. Darius can get his passive toned down a little and small increases to his cool downs early game. Riven.. well i don't know about her, i guess her CD can be messed with a little and decrease the shielding a bit, that would allow conq not to be nerfed yet again, because for real that rune just sings well with her, too well, certainly with shield bash. Other than that yes, some of these champions need balance. Some need straight up buffs. But the real problem AS IT ALWAYS IS. Is the rune systems mucking stuff up again making a champion feel over power yet again.
Rioter Comments
6Sfool (NA)
: The adc carry is meant to be a team effort. They have unparalleled dps and often burst at the cost of most of their self-peel. Certain assassins, mages, and divers have the tools to stay alive in fights, making the solo carry fantasy much easier to achieve. An adc's early game isn't that great, but any buffs to their lategame would be completely unwarranted. If their power was shifted to an earlier point of the game, I would have no problems with them as a class.
Then they aren't exactly a carry. The whole point of carrying is doing more than what you should, it doesn't just mean winning your lane or working with your team. It is an overall position of play where you are the most dominant role/character in the game. ADC should be called ADR now because all it means is Attack damage range, they only carry if it is late game and they are a hypercarry champion (which is why the hypercarry adc's are looking good still), It is garbage to say they can carry yet need the ENTIRE TEAM to help them carry. Totally stupid. Just change the roles name to ADR and then we can't exactly complain as to how useless they are atm.
: post your main account then dude at least he's being obvious about being on a forum smurf, you're just talking shit from a bronze account and using anecdotes as an argument
Technically this is my oldest account and was unused for season 2-5. It only seen play in 6 and this season. Its the account im using for ADC right now to see if i can practice enough to be better while also playing with freinds from IRL. If this account ever makes it to gold ill be amazed as i use this to play with pretty meh players for fun. For the same reason that OP doesn't get on his main, is the same reason i won't get on mine. I don't need people abusing me due to my match history or who i OTP (i get a lot of shit in game for who i OTP so i dont need that thrown in on conversation). The thing i am saying is my points are valid and even high level players say the same about ADC. They carry very little weight in a team fight right now and its why MANY MANY MANY ADC MAIN PROS are playing mage bot in the ADC role/slot. Just look online a little and you can see how much an issue it is. Just look out side of this horrible forum.
LankPants (OCE)
: He's completely right, Bronze games on any server are complete shitfests where noone has even a basic understanding of the game. I wouldn't use them as a gauge for anything at all. I was able to carry my friend's Bronze game by literally telling him basic map movements while watching over his shoulder, it only takes basic knowledge and strategy to reach silver. It's not the fact that you play on OCE that makes your games irreverent, it's the fact that you play in Bronze. I'd say the same thing to a Bronze from NA, EUW, KR or any server. I do think calling out ranks on a forum smurf is a bit hypocritical, but his point's not wrong, it just applies to him as well unless he decides to post on his main or at least link a credible account. Before you call me out for being unranked as well I was G1 last season and actually got within a game of Plat, not the best rank ever but still respectable. I've not got a rank yet this season because my video card's been fucked and I'm not actually able to play, most likely I'll place high silver at worst.
My point is he can't shoot down ALL my points just because im on my bronze account. Its stupid and ignorant. Then you add the fact he is on a smurf account and its even worse. He is being a child and using multiple accounts to keep this thread up and alive and its sad. It should be buried among all the other shitposts on this forum. This thread and him are why this community is still cancerous.
: Which Marksman is easiest to play mechanically wise?
Jinx by far is the easiest. Even her ult is simple as fuck to land. The more you play her the quicker you will master, should take 10 games at most to get all the tricks down.
: @Riot, let's just make something very clear...
They aren't buffing ADC overall its just helping their early game and balancing some items they screwed over in the Assassin update. That update removed a lot of viable builds and made a lot of items useless on ADC's and even Assassins. While they did that, they buffed tanks with masteries and the leathality change. If you think tanks aren't in a strong spot right now you are kidding your self. Bruisers are even worse. They are the only that can last this insane burst champions that are majority picked are doing and can dish out crazy damage while doing it. These patches aren't just buffing ADC but overall other roles to keep them in line and possibly balance them.
: > [{quoted}](name=Volcanuz,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k9EBIto3,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-08T12:22:21.202+0000) > > No you are a kid who thinks he knows what he is talking about but is probably only silver on his main account so he jumps on his smurf account to hide the fact he knows shit all about the subject at hand. > > Go away you child. whos being ignorant now?
: > [{quoted}](name=Volcanuz,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k9EBIto3,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-08T12:20:16.337+0000) > > The amount of games i have had in bronze. like why cant you understand, that the games down there are so overshadowed by individual mistakes, that the meta or overall game mechanics dont matter anymore? youre basing your opinion on personal games you had in a division that is known for being dominated by constant throws, absolutely 0 teamwork and constant mistakes. people dont know how to form teamcomps, build their champions, play safe instead of constantly fighting... basically everything. they dont even have the basics down and arent capable of csing, manipulating minion waves or maintain vision and map control.
Why won't you understand that only this account is bronze you fucking moron. You really can't talk until you show your main account. Also stop upvoting your self with your smurf accounts you idiot.
: > [{quoted}](name=Volcanuz,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k9EBIto3,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-01-08T12:13:23.436+0000) > > Sigh. Another ignorant moron who thinks because he is in NA that he is good. no, i think bronze games on any server have absolutely no meaning. ive seen bronze spectates on korea, and its the same garbage plays thats happening on na, and its most definitely the same on your server. you havent actually played the game on a meaningful level to understand what im talking about. im sorry, if that hurts your feelings, but bronze games having no meaning when it comes to game balance isnt exactly a secret. and yes, this is a forum smurph.
No you are a kid who thinks he knows what he is talking about but is probably only silver on his main account so he jumps on his smurf account to hide the fact he knows shit all about the subject at hand. Go away you child.
Sahn Uzal (EUW)
: I think people need to see the difference between ''The botlane that's winning'' and ''The botlane that's losing'' The one that's winning just gets to rotate and keep getting objectives with their massive gold lead. The one that's behind is pretty much useless. Also, Toplane is healthy? Do you mean the lane where tanks just try to brick wall the enemy laner untill mid game starts? Or Ranged toplaners trying to cheese a free lane? Toplane needs a lot of work, but Riot doesn't seem to care a whole lot.
That's a load of shit. The amount of games i have had where i was in the losing bot lane as ADC and the enemy ADC kills my tower then roams just ends up with me getting a bigger lead. They leave my lane to let me farm, i push up to half way, let the minions break on the tower then cycle mid to help the team. Constantly doing this while ADC roams around, doesn't get farm mid and no kills means i am up on them by the time its full on team fight time. That 3-4 minutes you can catch up while they play poke mid/top means i can hit my 2nd/3rd power spike to catch up to the enemy ADC. No lane is healthy also. Except jungle. Which is why they are going to see nerfs up until the 3rd patch of this year. We won't know if things balance out until we see the first 3 patches this year so hold up. But when you hear RIOT and pros commenting about how horrible a role is you KNOW that role is fucked up. How many pro's or RIOT members have been talking about how bad ADC is atm, fucking tons. Just jump on YT/Reddit/red posts... keep up with LoL news and you will see ADC is in a dire position.
: > [{quoted}](name=Volcanuz,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k9EBIto3,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2017-01-08T12:04:47.966+0000) > > Most of the damage done for ADC's is at the last 25% of the game. this statistic doesnt mean shit, since it flattens out the damage over the entire game. lets just ignore for a second that youre only looking at you personal matches, which is nothing more than anecdotal evidence. if you have 2 bruisers on top lane who are stacking health and are constantly trading with each other, and 2 adc on bot lance who dance around each other trying to avoid taking damage, that alone is enough for a bruiser to accumulate 2 times the damage dealt to champions of an adc over the course of the first half of the game. and again. bronze. its important that you understand that youre not playing the same game as everybody else. bronze games are **not** reflective of game health, because theyre an absolute mess. which is why riot doesnt even consider any games below plat mmr when it comes to decisions about game balance.
Omg how about you fucking look at your self in the mirror LEVEL 10. You aren't even ranked you dimwit. Also like your self and that i have mentioned in another reply THIS ISN'T MY MAIN ACCOUNT DUH!!
: > [{quoted}](name=Volcanuz,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k9EBIto3,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-08T11:51:40.598+0000) > > The first line just shows how absolutly wrong you are. > > Look at my winrate with teemo and Illaoi. no offense dude, but youre bronze on OCE. shit like this works in bronze, because at that rating people throw leads left and right. the game youre playing down there is completely different to whats being played higher up the ladder. not to mention, a lot of teams are so disorganized that they dont even know how to deal with certain top lane carries like darius for example. people arent working well together down there. they dont group and rotate to maximize the gold off turrets for their team for example, because they dont even understand how these mechanics work. snowballs down there happen for entirely different reasons, because people are just constantly chasing each other down for kills, and objectives have little meaning to them. in higher divisions, where people dont throw as much, its a lot harder to carry against the snowballs that are happening right now. and the other 50% games where your own team snowballs, top doesnt matter a lot either. you just join the rest of your team at some point to end.
Sigh. Another ignorant moron who thinks because he is in NA that he is good. If you look again NA is one of the worst regions for bronze to gold play. Did you even read my post? If you did you would see my explanations were on point showing that this isn't my fucking main account. That being said, i play this account as BOT only unless i am FORCED to play top/mid/jg/supp. Which is why im still stuck in this fucking elo on this account where my others are out of it in 10-20 games(to be fair my other accounts don't/didn't start in bronze which made it easier). But if you were to look you would see a good lot of my wins or higher percent win rate on this account are in other lanes. When i do lose them (that lane) it is because i didn't expect to get the other lane and i am tilted because im so engrossed in the adc style of play my brain is out of whack and i lose my lane which impacts the game more than if i lost lane in bot. OTP is harder to do for ADC also. As the best to OTP either get banned constantly (Cait/Vayne) or get picked. Also some rely heavily on certain supp picks (varus, twitch, ect). So i can't even play my OTP champion for long before counters/bad supps just make me want to kill my self. Also look, if you expect me to show my other accounts, i want you to show your main account too. You fucking wont i bet. Just like i won't show my main account/second account to you. So you can rag on this account all you like, it does sweet fuck all to me. Just read my post for real this time and don't just skim it.
Volcanuz (OCE)
: The first line just shows how absolutly wrong you are. Look at my winrate with teemo and Illaoi. Every time i get top i can carry my team to some extent. Sure it all depends on my team waking up and joining me but isn't it always that way. The major problem with ADC is they can't do a set amount of chores that are needed to carry. 1. They can't solo their lane or gain experience/farm solo. If they do so they have a high risk factor which increases up to 100% the further you push into a lane. 2. They need some kind of peel during team fights or to use their summoners, making them heavily rely on summs to engage or force a fight/join a fight. Also need to hope their team has high map awareness or to some how keep up with the allied team while also maintaining positioning. 3. Positioning, the fact they can't posture in an aggressive manor out of their own lane or without heavy warding (3 wards needed to be super safe if it is heca/vi/noct/elise jungle.), and even if they can, they can't in the later game where they are so easy to kill. Which comes to... 4. The fact they are glass, seriously glass. People say "glass cannon build" when that just doesn't exist anymore, its just glass all the time. Never will you see a tough to kill adc unless they are stupid high attack speed and lifesteal, which by that point if you haven't won the game you must be bad. ADC can be one shot from Supp to top champs with the average build, which comes to 5.. 5. The normal powerspike for an ADC is 3 item, those items normally being a BF sword item(BT/ER/IE/Dusk) and Hurricane/Shiv with boots being the third item. That is around 6k gold worth of items most times depending on which items you get. Compare that to {{item:3165}} for mid mages, which is an insane boost at fraction the cost, and at that point you will be 6 and able to one shot most ADC or the enemy mid laner. Top is the same, Black cleaver is a little more expensive though, but still very obtainable, with me being able to get it on Illaoi even when losing lane, plus the build path gives me insane survivability. 6. Scaling. Overall ADC scale via items, we need AD items to get anything, most ADC don't rely on their abilities to maximize damage. And those who do rely on auto attacks for those abilities to actually increase our overall DPS, to name a few like that {{champion:42}} {{champion:22}} {{champion:51}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:21}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:29}} . All those champions i linked there NEED to auto attack in their whole kit for their abilities to increase their damage, they can't just use their abilities and expect them to do the work. Imagine if Ahri needed to auto the person for charm to activate after it landed? Thats what it is like for Varus when he needs to stack his W to get the bonus from hitting them with Q. Or Trist when she throws her E and needs to land 5 autos to get it to do 100% of its damage. What about twitch? His whole kit revolves around E and his passive to do his crazy damage. Remove his passive and E and he loses close to 60% of his trade damage pre-6. 7. The fact that when you win your lane, its most likely due to another lane helping you. The amount of games i see where the jungle did all the work or at least 50% of the work for winning bot lane is absolutly insane. And that is in bronze ELO. Ask anyone in gold+ if 2 people without jungler can win lane and they will laugh. They will also tell you to fuck off while asking for a gank from jungle. Overall. Yes. ADC can't carry, for ADC to carry they would need to do double the work they normally do. When a ADC carrys there is a LOT of strings pulled in the background and overall becomes more of a team game than a carry game. The only time you will see an ADC outright carry is in silver or below, because sadly it is the truth..
LET ME ALSO ADD!! Most of the damage done for ADC's is at the last 25% of the game. Take one of my games as cait a day or more ago. I was criting the team for 900dmg per shot, close to 1000 on the squish targets. At the end the damage done on champions was close to 70K. Now i got 4 of my 7 kills at the last fight. That means around 30 or so thousand damage was done in that fight alone. The only way we impact the game right now is if you let the game reach the 30 min mark. IF you do that you are fucking bad.
: its funny, that people think adc have the least impact on the game right now.
The first line just shows how absolutly wrong you are. Look at my winrate with teemo and Illaoi. Every time i get top i can carry my team to some extent. Sure it all depends on my team waking up and joining me but isn't it always that way. The major problem with ADC is they can't do a set amount of chores that are needed to carry. 1. They can't solo their lane or gain experience/farm solo. If they do so they have a high risk factor which increases up to 100% the further you push into a lane. 2. They need some kind of peel during team fights or to use their summoners, making them heavily rely on summs to engage or force a fight/join a fight. Also need to hope their team has high map awareness or to some how keep up with the allied team while also maintaining positioning. 3. Positioning, the fact they can't posture in an aggressive manor out of their own lane or without heavy warding (3 wards needed to be super safe if it is heca/vi/noct/elise jungle.), and even if they can, they can't in the later game where they are so easy to kill. Which comes to... 4. The fact they are glass, seriously glass. People say "glass cannon build" when that just doesn't exist anymore, its just glass all the time. Never will you see a tough to kill adc unless they are stupid high attack speed and lifesteal, which by that point if you haven't won the game you must be bad. ADC can be one shot from Supp to top champs with the average build, which comes to 5.. 5. The normal powerspike for an ADC is 3 item, those items normally being a BF sword item(BT/ER/IE/Dusk) and Hurricane/Shiv with boots being the third item. That is around 6k gold worth of items most times depending on which items you get. Compare that to {{item:3165}} for mid mages, which is an insane boost at fraction the cost, and at that point you will be 6 and able to one shot most ADC or the enemy mid laner. Top is the same, Black cleaver is a little more expensive though, but still very obtainable, with me being able to get it on Illaoi even when losing lane, plus the build path gives me insane survivability. 6. Scaling. Overall ADC scale via items, we need AD items to get anything, most ADC don't rely on their abilities to maximize damage. And those who do rely on auto attacks for those abilities to actually increase our overall DPS, to name a few like that {{champion:42}} {{champion:22}} {{champion:51}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:21}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:29}} . All those champions i linked there NEED to auto attack in their whole kit for their abilities to increase their damage, they can't just use their abilities and expect them to do the work. Imagine if Ahri needed to auto the person for charm to activate after it landed? Thats what it is like for Varus when he needs to stack his W to get the bonus from hitting them with Q. Or Trist when she throws her E and needs to land 5 autos to get it to do 100% of its damage. What about twitch? His whole kit revolves around E and his passive to do his crazy damage. Remove his passive and E and he loses close to 60% of his trade damage pre-6. 7. The fact that when you win your lane, its most likely due to another lane helping you. The amount of games i see where the jungle did all the work or at least 50% of the work for winning bot lane is absolutly insane. And that is in bronze ELO. Ask anyone in gold+ if 2 people without jungler can win lane and they will laugh. They will also tell you to fuck off while asking for a gank from jungle. Overall. Yes. ADC can't carry, for ADC to carry they would need to do double the work they normally do. When a ADC carrys there is a LOT of strings pulled in the background and overall becomes more of a team game than a carry game. The only time you will see an ADC outright carry is in silver or below, because sadly it is the truth..
Kiyoshiz (NA)
: Taking a quick look at your game vs Ahri, things you should focus on is mastering only a couple of champions. Learn their match ups etc. Against an Ahri, it's going to be entirely based on skill - skill translates to more than just the way you handle the champion, it also relies on your build path. Rushing a hex drinker as your first item would have slowed her ability to snow ball, as well as your ability to successfully trade with her. There's also a lot of dying happening in your game. I know everyone wants kills, but objectives > kills. Make that your mantra. Put some focus on not dying, dodging skill shots, and you'll probably see some serious improvement to your games.
This so much. The amount of times i tell my team this every time in low ELO is disgusting. Watching as my team 5v5, kills 4, and chases the last enemy for close to 50 seconds when they have an inhib open is just insane. I run off to split push or push, and my team screams at me when i kill a tower, they are next to nexus with no minions and towers/inhib still up trying to get the last guy and die when they all respawn and blame me? Jesus i swear some times i'm surrounded by apes with the ability to play a computer.
: It doesn't exist though lol, elo hell is just a term made up when you are stuck.. People say all dif elos are elo hell. A lot of ppl say D5 is elo hell.
I call that the great filter. I myself have been stuck at D5, im just NOT good enough to go further. But even D5 doesn't have this issue which overall all of Bronze to silver 5 has. This whole insanity factor where you get the most rediculas things happen which are totally off meta and just down right trolly. Also you get people just learning, and as they are JUST LEARNING they pick up these horrible habbits from other players who are trolling or rude so they like a mirror reflect that attitude. Something needs to be done about it and for new players more than anything.
: Thankfully the other team is statistically more likely to have that sort of player provided you have sensible runes and play fine, so even if some games aren't carry-able, you'll still trend upwards on average. The people who understand stuff will eventually trend up and be matched with/against those at a similar level of understanding, and the ones who don't will slide down to an elo where everyone has shortcomings of comparable significance (sometimes the shortcomings are runes, other times it's mechanics, other times it's simply attitude). Also runes aren't really going to make that big a difference compared to the relative skills involved, which are rarely even enough for the runes to matter. I'm pretty confident I could poop on bronze players with no runes at all. Player behaviour is for moderation and code of conduct/rule breaking type of discussions, which poor gameplay choices isn't included in.
Actually runes make such an amazing impact in roles like Top/support and ADC. Play a game ADC without runes and you will notice how incredibly hard it is to last hit while maintaining poke/trading. Sure if they both had no runes it would work but imagine you are against someone with runes and you had none.. its just laughable to not agree that one lane will come out on top because of this. Its like the time i vs'd a riven and she had no runes at all, i was amazing i was schooling her with an Olaf, just.. amazing, then i looked at his runes and noticed he had like 2 runes only. Thats it, 2. The scary thing is some times these people get lucky and get carried right up to gold and you just sit there wondering how it is even possible.
Volcanuz (OCE)
: Part of the problem!
http://i.imgur.com/sXJJli0.jpg Look at this shit. Look at those supports. Please someone guess which ones on both teams are support.
: And you better believe the other team has players just as ignorant.
The problem is, if you have two players this ignorant, it comes down to who doesn't feed or play worse. Even then its not just that they do this stuff or know shit all. Its the fact they use key phrases which make you think "how have you not looked this shit up" like having some say "tyler1" in chat, then you look at them and they have no clue what they are doing. I JUST had a game with two troll supports. I had one, and enemy had one. Luckily i know how to play at a higher level than bronze and solo'd my lane 2v1 pretty much and came out on top. That SAME GAME we had a AFK too... Look me up if you don't trust me. Its so maddening that this stuff happens and people STILL DISAGREE THERE IS AN ELO HELL! I know it is possible to get out of it, im not saying i am stuck not one bit, as long as i maintain a 51% winrate with my OTP im going to climb. But still, to say it doesn't exist is just so hilarious.
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: Either a bug or a colossal fuck up. Anyway, if you have the cash, I believe buying the Looting Starts line is worth it. Specially if you have some orange essence lying around. I got Super Galaxy Fizz, Super Galaxy Rumble (which costs 1820 RP, which is more than I paid on the 5 chests), Super Galaxy Shyvana, Star Guardian Poppy and only one cheap skin which is Galatic Nasus. I got 6300 RP worth of skins with 1450. It was a pretty good deal. Even though I turned Poppy, Shiv, and Nasus in essence so I could activate Fizz (and will save up for Rumble).
Yeah i got poppy, shyvana, fizz, nasus and darkstar varus. I have varus skin already though (as i main him). Still a very very good haul for me.
: I almost did it. In the Legacy Client opening screen it said space theme, on the store mistletoe. I sugest you take a look at the support site as well as the name of the chest before buying. Mistletoe is lovey dovey things. Looting Stars is Space badassery.
THANKS! That was what i needed. Yeah it says it on the chest as you buy it, i guess i didnt look. I think what it is meant to say is UP NEXT ITS THIS IN CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HOURS. Not this is what we are giving. So silly.
Joe Mana (NA)
: ***
Wait that works? Do tell.
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: Winter Chest Question
Normal chests drop 1 sweet each. Winter ones give 3. RP only.
: > [{quoted}](name=Volcanuz,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A6Q47jmb,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2016-12-16T22:51:58.522+0000) > > This times a million. > > No one mentioned on that list except Kennen can take me in lane as teemo. > > There are times when they COULD win true. But its not a 100% chance of losing lane if those get picked. Normally im such a potent presence in lane/top that they have to use 2-3 people constantly to stop my split pushing and even then they most times don't even get a kill. Teemo is such a silly little bully in lane I love it. I main top mostly because I like picking on most of the meta top laners which Teemo is very good at doing as long as you're doing it right. If I don't use Teemo then my second pick for bullying enemy top laners is heimer because not a lot of top laners can so easily deal with his turrets. especially if you build for split pushing. lol
I think i should try heimer top again some time. I just find in low ELO ppl complain more than anything if you try split push it gets rather tiresome.
: Honestly, Teemo shouldn't lose all that hard to most of those that you listed. Especially Malphite and Poppy. I have NEVER lost lane to either of those two while playing Teemo EVEN IF their jungler is camping me. If you see a Teemo lose those match-ups he's either bad at Teemo or is having a really off game in my opinion. The only two out of the ones you've listed that I really struggle with as Teemo are Pantheon and Jayce. The rest of them are either easy lanes or skill match-ups. >.>
This times a million. No one mentioned on that list except Kennen can take me in lane as teemo. There are times when they COULD win true. But its not a 100% chance of losing lane if those get picked. Normally im such a potent presence in lane/top that they have to use 2-3 people constantly to stop my split pushing and even then they most times don't even get a kill.
Cresmont (NA)
: #neverforget90percentdodgechancejax{{champion:24}}
I was only just getting good at jax when they removed that. XD
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