: Aphelios high-pitched painful ringing
Some people's hearing are just more sensitive than others. The only way to fix this is by lowering your sound. In the settings there should be a bunch of sound sliders such as sound for music, voices, effects...etc. You can just adjust the slider for voice, and re-adjust them whenever you play a different champion. Riot can do something if they could and want, but I dont know what
Rioter Comments
: anyone else getting massive fps drops
Nope. I cant believe I am saying this but this new update actually fixed my fps drops which I used to always have
: This New Client is the Closest Thing to a Virus on my Computer
I have 24 chrome tabs open and it runs better than league client lol
: I.. already don't like facing Senna
She literally feels like Morgana, but more damage. Ouch They are doing whatever they can to convert people to supports. First Pyke and now this.
: What's the actual excuse of TD Yasuo?
Maybe the DJ picked him? It doesnt have to be a popular DJ like David Guetta. Probably a DJ on Riot picked him. DJ's arent there for vocals lol.
Smai (NA)
: Game chugging/FPS drops/Freezes
This game looks fine on the outside, but when you look inside, you see nothing but a sea of rotten spaghetti For real dude, why the hell can I run Witcher 3 or Warframe but League sucks like hell? WTF I've done everything I could. INCLUDING A FACTORY RESET. I WISH I WAS JOKING LMAO
Charmy Bird (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=CaptainAntiHeroz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G0pXVroj,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-11-11T19:10:43.944+0000) > > good to see Riot being on the ball about an issue Yea I wish they'd do something about all the performance issues players have since 9.21.
> [{quoted}](name=Charmy Bird,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G0pXVroj,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-11-11T19:16:30.567+0000) > > Yea I wish they'd do something about all the performance issues players have since 9.21. Wow I thought I was the only one with performance issues. It was so weird since I could run Witcher 3 or Warframe or something like that
Mártir (EUW)
: Senna skills :)
Why would they make the R global? What the fuck
: Yeah you'd think 'events' would be rewarding and encouraging to play but instead prestige skins are paid for instead of earned which kinda sucks
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainAntiHeroz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Q6xZbwTK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-28T01:54:18.031+0000) > > Yeah you'd think 'events' would be rewarding and encouraging to play > > but instead prestige skins are paid for instead of earned which kinda sucks Prestige wasnt supposed to be free. It was supposed to represent "VIP" skin and give off "I'm a rich whale" vibe. Now they are generous enough to allow us to buy the pass and grind for it which is cheaper but more time consuming because IIRC you could only get them using prestige tickets which you get from spending shitload of money. Like it used to be more than $100+ but now you just need to buy the pass and grind which costs $10?
: I am gonna clear up this Vladimir top misunderstandings
Good news: Klepto is getting replaced by a completely different rune next season (no more gold and resource loots). We can say goodbye to Vlad top for real this time
Rioter Comments
: maokai and ivern look drastically different and are very different interpretations of ents, while ledros/morde have a more similar (and admittedly cooler) aesthetic
> [{quoted}](name=ZackTheWaffleMan,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=yHEZ3HAN,comment-id=0008000100000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-10-22T20:22:37.548+0000) > > maokai and ivern look drastically different and are very different interpretations of ents, while ledros/morde have a more similar (and admittedly cooler) aesthetic Perhaps giving Ledros more tattered cloth (maybe a cape?) will make him stand out more? Because I noticed that Mordekaiser and Hecarim do not have cloth and they are 100% metal. Only Kalista and Thresh have cloth but they do not give off the 'warrior' vibes Maybe they could also rework the sword because that sword looks very generic as hell
: Anyone has fun playing against master Yi?
Depends. I am somewhat fine when I am Nocturne or Rammus
Arakadia (NA)
: He looks more like a generic background wraith more than a shadow isles Champion tbh.
> [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=yHEZ3HAN,comment-id=00080001,timestamp=2019-10-20T15:09:31.599+0000) > > He looks more like a generic background wraith more than a shadow isles Champion tbh. What do you expect a wraith to look like? Look at Mordekaiser, Thresh, Hecarim, and Kalista.
Magikrap (NA)
: Would rather face 1000 AP {{champion:54}}s before a single {{champion:142}} or {{champion:518}}
> [{quoted}](name=Magikrap,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7kRMea5d,comment-id=001e,timestamp=2019-10-21T16:20:44.466+0000) > > Would rather face 1000 AP {{champion:54}}s before a single {{champion:142}} or {{champion:518}} Same. Ap Malph kills people in like 1 second but I'd still rather face him than the champs you mentioned. Laning phase against him is fun cause you can actually abuse him forever
: I started to play AP Malph a month ago and currently I managed to rack up 30k points on Malph He is an assassin who needs R to kill someone. Besides that, he does nothing else but maybe spam Q. Ap Malph needs to kill his target immediately. He has no escape tool if his R is down He's doomed if his assassination fails. And that's pretty easy. Zhonya or flash does the job but if your champion has a dash or CC then all you have to do is use it. If he fails, he's just there waiting to die. Now if you think about it, doing that still wont save you from Zed, Talon, Akali, Fizz...etc so that's probably why he's healthy He is useless in laning phase if he's against someone like Syndra or Xerath, because unlikeother assassins, he cant do anything but use R. Sure he can Q but you gotta have more range than that and he'll only finish you off once you're low health. Its like old Panth all over again I dont know if the change went through but EoN now will give you damage shield as a psssive rather than active, this is very good item for ADC so Malph cant kill you out of nowhere and has to poke your shield first. Obviously if you're a mage then just get Banshee Ap Malph is only good when the enemy team has the ONE Of the following criteria: - Mostly squishy champs (like 4 out of 5). Malph cant kill tank or juggs unless he's giga fed - No dash, blink, or mobility - Full AD and barely any AP Dont try it in ranked though. I regretted it
Also, this guy is so funny. Without ult, he's just like a pebble from the road, just waiting to be trampled on Have you seen his new splash art in PBE yet
: Is AP Malphite not just incredibly unhealthy by design?
I started to play AP Malph a month ago and currently I managed to rack up 30k points on Malph He is an assassin who needs R to kill someone. Besides that, he does nothing else but maybe spam Q. Ap Malph needs to kill his target immediately. He has no escape tool if his R is down He's doomed if his assassination fails. And that's pretty easy. Zhonya or flash does the job but if your champion has a dash or CC then all you have to do is use it. If he fails, he's just there waiting to die. Now if you think about it, doing that still wont save you from Zed, Talon, Akali, Fizz...etc so that's probably why he's healthy He is useless in laning phase if he's against someone like Syndra or Xerath, because unlikeother assassins, he cant do anything but use R. Sure he can Q but you gotta have more range than that and he'll only finish you off once you're low health. Its like old Panth all over again I dont know if the change went through but EoN now will give you damage shield as a psssive rather than active, this is very good item for ADC so Malph cant kill you out of nowhere and has to poke your shield first. Obviously if you're a mage then just get Banshee Ap Malph is only good when the enemy team has the ONE Of the following criteria: - Mostly squishy champs (like 4 out of 5). Malph cant kill tank or juggs unless he's giga fed - No dash, blink, or mobility - Full AD and barely any AP Dont try it in ranked though. I regretted it
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yMxAIE72,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-21T14:59:48.274+0000) > > Yeah...I'm going to need to see your math on that. Knock yourself out Caitlyn > Dark Harvest > {{item:3508}} {{item:3006}} {{item:3031}} {{item:3072}} any two {{item:3086}} items. Even with 10-15 DH stacks you'll get 1500 headshots easy on non-armored targets. I'll make a video when I get home, it's really not that difficult.
> [{quoted}](name=NaughtyWord,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yMxAIE72,comment-id=00000000000000000001000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-21T15:55:12.015+0000) > > Knock yourself out > > Caitlyn > Dark Harvest > {{item:3508}} {{item:3006}} {{item:3031}} {{item:3072}} any two {{item:3086}} items. > > Even with 10-15 DH stacks you'll get 1500 headshots easy on non-armored targets. > > > I'll make a video when I get home, it's really not that difficult. >Dark Harvest Are those her main runes? Even without Dark Harvest, Cait still hits like a truck if she lands her net or someone steps into a trap
: So Riot can we get the voicelines from Legends of Runeterra to League?
I dont think models can be ported But voicelines can be. I really need that Zed quote "Time to let this candle flicker out"
: Fiddlesticks point-and-click fear is good and deserves to stay, here's why:
I really really hope they keep the point and click CC. Its actually very healthy for this game, even though I hate it and so does everyone else.
: "garen is fine just never be in his range"
I seriously still cannot fathom how bad he still is. He's just literally a walking sponge screaming "DEMACIA" Why play him when there's actually useful champs that does a better job than him? Jax, Darius, Illaoi, riven, Renek... yeah Play him for Demacia, duh
: I had a Garen in my game obliterate Nasus and went on to 1v5. The Garen players are gonna keep disagreeing but the final decision is up to Riot. If they feel he is overbuffed they will nerf him.
> [{quoted}](name=AquariusGine,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tEQ8n1wj,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-11T16:28:09.440+0000) > > I had a Garen in my game obliterate Nasus and went on to 1v5. The Garen players are gonna keep disagreeing but the final decision is up to Riot. If they feel he is overbuffed they will nerf him. Sounds like you're shocked because you're too used to Garen as a trash useless champion. Its time he is finally able to do something Also, its Nasus. He wins depending on how much stacks he has. Its not Garen's fault if Nasus has little stacks lol
Shahamut (NA)
: "Outplay" aka point ank click silence you with a massive empowered auto and spin on top of you til silence ends. "Outplayed. Solorenektononly showed his Q doing 800+ dmg (pre-resist) with only trinity, steraks and storm razor for AD... 800 dmg with a silence on a low cooldown... that cleanses slows and Grant's a speed boost. 3 items with low-ish AD gains...
> [{quoted}](name=Shahamut,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tEQ8n1wj,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2019-10-12T13:23:10.454+0000) > > "Outplay" aka point ank click silence you with a massive empowered auto and spin on top of you til silence ends. "Outplayed. Dont be salty. Outplaying as Garen is impressive no matter what you think, because Garen's kit is way too simple and so, he is easily dumpstered by other champs You must be that kind of guy who say stupid stuff like "Yi and Trynd only right click1!11!"
: "garen is fine just never be in his range"
LOL really? Garen is very healthy compared to bullcrap like Vayne, Neeko, Karma. I'd still rather fight Garen as he is, than other top laners right now. Illaoi and Darius is several times more unfun than Garen. Oh and dont forget Nasus, that stupid dog you have to babysit all game or else he will wreck everything People arent used to him. I bet $1000000000 people would be complaining about Darius if he was released today Garen finally became a champion. People are used to him being useless and do literally nothing
: Casters are avoiding saying the words ‘Hong Kong’.
Riot is 100% owned by Tencent. Not sure what you expected. Riot cant do anything even if they wanted to. Its like a single ant trying to face a praying mantis by itself. At least Blizzard could do something but they decided money was more important. Riot however cant decide anything here
: no he is top 15 turret takers early.
> [{quoted}](name=Eonslegacy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2ynn38dA,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-05T07:49:23.114+0000) > > no he is top 15 turret takers early. Lol top 15 but not top 3. Nothing special
: You are right, you can build defense So that he can take your turret instead of your life. Problem is that makes him more of a threat as turrets give more than you do. Without turret plates/turret gold/first turret gold tryndamere wouldnt be AS big a problem. Tryndamere is capable of taking a turret plate every single minion line, if you build randuins first item and ninja tabi second just by ignoring you via his massive base health pool and healing. (bar taunters)
> [{quoted}](name=Eonslegacy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2ynn38dA,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-05T07:48:24.554+0000) > > You are right, you can build defense So that he can take your turret instead of your life. > Problem is that makes him more of a threat as turrets give more than you do. > Without turret plates/turret gold/first turret gold tryndamere wouldnt be AS big a problem. > Tryndamere is capable of taking a turret plate every single minion line, if you build randuins first item and ninja tabi second just by ignoring you via his massive base health pool and healing. (bar taunters) There is no way you are supposed to build Randuin's as first item. Just what kind of toplaner are you playing to the point you have a problem with surviving against a Trynd? Nasus, Garen, Yorick takes turret down faster from my experience. I don't know what you're doing in your games if you have a problem with Trynd
Charmy Bird (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=l love Ahri,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2ynn38dA,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-09-05T01:38:06.258+0000) > > His slow can be juked like Cassiopeia ult > > If you're a toplaner you build {{item:3143}} which gives armor and reduces crit damage and ALSO HAS A PASSIVE THAT SLOWS DOWN ENEMIES. > > What else? Midlane champions are mobile enough > > ADC can't be killed by Tryndamere unless you're alone which you deserve to be killed, or when your support is braindead > > Let's not forget about CC. He's shit tier because he gets CC'd and he's just there waiting to die Trynda is shit tier? Ahahah I've bought armor so many times on trynda but it barely works cuz tank items are in such a shit state rn. I don't get people like you. You keep making shit excuses I'm expense of riot. Is it so hard to admit that some Champs are batshit broken? No wonder you're being downvoted all the time. Your opinion is straight up wrong
> [{quoted}](name=jotarowo,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2ynn38dA,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-05T06:22:12.285+0000) > > Trynda is shit tier? Ahahah I've bought armor so many times on trynda but it barely works cuz tank items are in such a shit state rn. I don't get people like you. You keep making shit excuses I'm expense of riot. Is it so hard to admit that some Champs are batshit broken? No wonder you're being downvoted all the time. Your opinion is straight up wrong Votes do not matter in boards. People downvote advices and upvote complaints. Boards does not want to adapt. 100% of complainers are always silver and gold players and those are average playerbase and not actual skill. Don't believe me? OP.gg them, including yourself. As for me, this is obviously not my main (it's not level 30 and my main is in Singapore server). You don't have to believe me. Board users are stubborn lol I don't understand why you're complaining about Tryndamere. Darius and Riven does better job than him. Lategame Nasus and Yorick also shits and more OP than Trynd. Stop trying to 1v1 Trynd
: Replay? God I hate these posts that don't provide proof. Sylas is garbage compared to his state during release where his W actually healed him back full HP instantly
> [{quoted}](name=l love Ahri,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p4sI0i4G,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2019-09-06T00:39:28.166+0000) > > Replay? God I hate these posts that don't provide proof. Sylas is garbage compared to his state during release where his W actually healed him back full HP instantly Even with his heal, Sylas is still garbage. He can't do shit unless he does something meaningful such as stealing Leona ult and actually landing it to your whole team, in which in this case it would be you and your team's fault Don't get me started on 1v1. Any champion nowadays kill you in 1v1. A goddamn Maokai is scarier than Sylas
Anatera (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=BL00D ARTIST,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p4sI0i4G,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2019-09-05T22:50:58.776+0000) > > He's actually horrendous rn though....he's nerfed to the ground. His q damage getting nuked was an awful decision and would need to be returned in order to nerf his W. You can't just nerf every single aspect of his kit when he's already borderline unplayable. Yes. You can. Riot do it all the time.
> [{quoted}](name=Anatera,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p4sI0i4G,comment-id=000f0000,timestamp=2019-09-05T23:06:07.917+0000) > > Yes. You can. Riot do it all the time. He's already garbage. Just because he's not Galio doesn't mean he's not garbage. Garbage and burning garbage, they are the same.
Anatera (NA)
: It's very funny to see Sylas solo kill basically everybody because of his overloaded sustain
Replay? God I hate these posts that don't provide proof. Sylas is garbage compared to his state during release where his W actually healed him back full HP instantly
: > [{quoted}](name=DontTypeJustPlay,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2ynn38dA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-04T06:46:50.220+0000) > > I'm sorry but you never heard of a slow? Escape? hell even simply walking away is enough to stop him from chasing you. If he can't kill you in the 5 seconds of his ult he won't chase and int he'll run away. yes. run away and give him a tower. sounds like a plan {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
> [{quoted}](name=SirTauntsALot,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2ynn38dA,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-09-04T07:19:05.685+0000) > > yes. run away and give him a tower. sounds like a plan {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} Wtf are you even talking about? Tryndamere sucks at destroying towers unless he's lategame full build. Even then Nasus and Yorick shits on towers better than Tryndamere anytime
Charmy Bird (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=DontTypeJustPlay,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2ynn38dA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-04T06:46:50.220+0000) > > I'm sorry but you never heard of a slow? Escape? hell even simply walking away is enough to stop him from chasing you. If he can't kill you in the 5 seconds of his ult he won't chase and int he'll run away. While he has a slow and an e that is longer than a flash escape isn't as easy as you say
> [{quoted}](name=jotarowo,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2ynn38dA,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-09-04T07:03:35.733+0000) > > While he has a slow and an e that is longer than a flash escape isn't as easy as you say His slow can be juked like Cassiopeia ult If you're a toplaner you build {{item:3143}} which gives armor and reduces crit damage and ALSO HAS A PASSIVE THAT SLOWS DOWN ENEMIES. What else? Midlane champions are mobile enough ADC can't be killed by Tryndamere unless you're alone which you deserve to be killed, or when your support is braindead Let's not forget about CC. He's shit tier because he gets CC'd and he's just there waiting to die
: - {{item:3047}} {{item:3143}} {{item:3110}} {{item:3075}} - His W slow can be juked just like Cassiopeia ult. Do this and run away from him - In lane, you have to harass him if he doesn't have fury. He's a melee minion without fury - He can't do shit in team fights. Constantly CC him and he's just there waiting to die. If he QSS you just CC him again. Tryndamere is C tier. Offers nothing for your team other than damage and taking down towers which Nasus and Yorick can do better Don't go toplane if you hate Tryndamere. Tryndamere is actually good for toplane unlike cancer like Vayne, Neeko, Karma.
People in these comments are also giving advice and they are being downvoted. Is this boards or is this thread being boosted from outside?
: for the love of god delete tryndamere or rework his ultimate to where it actually has counterplay
- {{item:3047}} {{item:3143}} {{item:3110}} {{item:3075}} - His W slow can be juked just like Cassiopeia ult. Do this and run away from him - In lane, you have to harass him if he doesn't have fury. He's a melee minion without fury - He can't do shit in team fights. Constantly CC him and he's just there waiting to die. If he QSS you just CC him again. Tryndamere is C tier. Offers nothing for your team other than damage and taking down towers which Nasus and Yorick can do better Don't go toplane if you hate Tryndamere. Tryndamere is actually good for toplane unlike cancer like Vayne, Neeko, Karma.
: > [{quoted}](name=Minimac2000,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HJeO6q2f,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-27T04:01:16.915+0000) > > Uhhhh. Pantheon is a lot stronger post rework and doesnt actually fall off after 15 minutes nearly as hard. People quit cuz of frustrating changes all the time. The ones that didnt quit all have over 50% wr with him within.... a week... if anything that sounds too strong not too weak While I'm not a Pantheon main, he was one of my main ones in my pool of junglers. I played one game of this new Pantheon and I will never touch him again. Soraka does more damage than him. He is complete shit now and literally unplayable. I sympathize with his mains. Anyone that gets fed with this new Panth is probably playing against beginner bots. I love seeing a Panth on the enemy team because I know it's an easy win due to it being 4v5. And I've been right so far.
> [{quoted}](name=FioraWillCarry,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HJeO6q2f,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-08-27T16:30:02.849+0000) > > While I'm not a Pantheon main, he was one of my main ones in my pool of junglers. I played one game of this new Pantheon and I will never touch him again. Soraka does more damage than him. He is complete shit now and literally unplayable. I sympathize with his mains. Anyone that gets fed with this new Panth is probably playing against beginner bots. > > I love seeing a Panth on the enemy team because I know it's an easy win due to it being 4v5. And I've been right so far. You're telling the truth. I don't know why you're downvoted. A Janna in my game did more damage on laning phase by poking than the new Pantheon's poke Reminder that Pantheon is supposed to be a bully.
: If the best players are quitting because of it, what do you think the casual players are doing?
> [{quoted}](name=Power Cosmic,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HJeO6q2f,comment-id=0017,timestamp=2019-08-27T13:50:46.960+0000) > > If the best players are quitting because of it, what do you think the casual players are doing? Obviously playing him for 'fun' Including me. I used to play old Pantheon seriously. But now I'm just playing him for fun. It's not even worth trying to climb with him at the moment
floo (EUW)
: Why though? He has kept most of his old kit, simply updated. His Q is still low cd poke, but now a skillshot. His W is the same. His E is now his passive on demand and his old E with less damage, but movable. His R has a different shape. The only thing that seems worth not playing him atm is lower damage output, but even for that he has a new passive to strengthen his abilities.
> [{quoted}](name=floo,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HJeO6q2f,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2019-08-27T11:24:18.424+0000) > > Why though? He has kept most of his old kit, simply updated. > His Q is still low cd poke, but now a skillshot. > His W is the same. > His E is now his passive on demand and his old E with less damage, but movable. > His R has a different shape. > > The only thing that seems worth not playing him atm is lower damage output, but even for that he has a new passive to strengthen his abilities. You said it. His damage is very low compared to old Pantheon. He's supposed to be a bully and harasser but now his Q hits like a damp paper. His E lost damage. His passive is nice but not enough. The only thing I find nice about his passive is empowered W to activate conq and pta. Other than that, it's really underwhelming
: > [{quoted}](name=Zephyr1991,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HJeO6q2f,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-08-27T04:46:13.587+0000) > > His damage is nowhere near what it used to be. From what Ive heard from the most prolific Panth mains, he now loses roughly 85% of all toplane matchups. > > They dont like his E. Once you get to a certain Elo, his E is more useless than anything, mostly because he had no real damage during it. Sure it can stop ults but most people will just hold their ult until its used. Its weak to dashes and mobility. They also really hate his new ult. Its damage is nerfed, its AOE is nerfed, its CD is 30 sec longer than old ult, it cant be canceled, it gives no notification to your teamates where its going to land unlike the old one, and enemies have a ton of time to get out of the way. > > Believe it or not, panth as he is now is finding the most success as a kill lane support. He gets whooped in top, his jungle is mediocre, his midlane is mediocre. Hes just in a bad spot once you get past diamond. I strongly agree with this, i'm losing match up i'd 100% win as old panth. Also diamond and with around 9yrs of playing him. The guy atm is a walking ward.
> [{quoted}](name=space caose,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HJeO6q2f,comment-id=000400000001,timestamp=2019-08-27T11:54:49.192+0000) > > I strongly agree with this, i'm losing match up i'd 100% win as old panth. Also diamond and with around 9yrs of playing him. The guy atm is a walking ward. Or as a support, he's a walking stunbot. Except a bit more useful now Hopefully riot does something about Pantheon top
F Ù Ń (NA)
: So. Does anyone realize you can actually cancel e early by pressing e again?
> [{quoted}](name=F Ù Ń,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HJeO6q2f,comment-id=0013,timestamp=2019-08-27T12:09:36.527+0000) > > So. Does anyone realize you can actually cancel e early by pressing e again? And? What would that do other than "canceling protection"
: > [{quoted}](name=Power Cosmic,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HJeO6q2f,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2019-08-27T13:54:19.130+0000) > > Why is counterplay good? Because it makes the game more fun and interesting.
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HJeO6q2f,comment-id=000b00000000,timestamp=2019-08-27T14:00:45.777+0000) > > Because it makes the game more fun and interesting. Interestingly enough, old Pantheon was counter able more than hundreds on champs we have in this game In fact he was so easy to counter as long as you don't feed until mid and late game
: > [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HJeO6q2f,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-08-27T07:32:45.819+0000) > > They mained the old Panth. Different players will main the new Panth. Old Panth's kit had zero counterplay or interaction, so good riddance to anyone quitting the game over its loss. so, using abilities, not heavily overextending or if you are(being prepared for his ganks), knocking out his passive after he burns his crowd control, building armor, building sustain, simply playing safe to out-scale him, playing a champion that is more aggressive than he is, any support in top lane, crowd control (which the majority of top laners have), pretty much anything that can survive burst damage or trade his poke damage ... **AREN'T ENOUGH COUNTER-PLAY OPTIONS FOR YOU?** Even {{champion:27}} beats pantheon...Pantheon is strongest as a jungler, but pretty much everything he could do, other junglers could do just as well, only he offers crowd control and more map pressure with his ult
> [{quoted}](name=3TWarrior,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HJeO6q2f,comment-id=000b0001,timestamp=2019-08-27T15:00:02.037+0000) > > so, using abilities, not heavily overextending or if you are(being prepared for his ganks), knocking out his passive after he burns his crowd control, building armor, building sustain, simply playing safe to out-scale him, playing a champion that is more aggressive than he is, any support in top lane, crowd control (which the majority of top laners have), pretty much anything that can survive burst damage or trade his poke damage ... **AREN'T ENOUGH COUNTER-PLAY OPTIONS FOR YOU?** > > Even {{champion:27}} beats pantheon...Pantheon is strongest as a jungler, but pretty much everything he could do, other junglers could do just as well, only he offers crowd control and more map pressure with his ult Just boards being boards. They don't realize how weak old Pantheon was. "No counterplay" my ass. That's why you don't see him everywhere in high elo and why you don't see him getting banned often. He's like fiddlesticks. Cancerous kit but not good in general. It was mostly dedicated mains that climbed with him
: Pantheon mains in all regions are quitting in droves
This new Pantheon sacrificed so much damage for survivability
: Pantheon mains in all regions are quitting in droves
People, even riot themselves, forgot they reworked him to favor Pantheon players This rework was success to people who hated Pantheon and to people who didn't play him before. I'm not speaking for all Pantheon players. Keegun is right. If this rework was a success, the top Pantheon players wouldn't have quitted. And they are challenger and grandmaster so they obviously know what they are doing. People here are so delusional and think they quitted because they can't hit Q. Pantheon players may be brain-dead to you but they are not that brain-dead. This new Pantheon Q hits like a damp paper and it's a skillshot. Old Pantheon Q was brain-dead and dealt lot of damage. It's so stupid because it should've been the other way around. New Pantheon Q is a skillshot that should deal damage and Old Pantheon Q was point and click but should've dealt less damage Don't even get started with "you're supposed to tap Q". One of Pantheon's strength was poking you down before finishing you off. This new Pantheon really sucks at poking And the ultimate is slow. The only improvement on the ultimate are visuals and aesthetics. Nothing else. Old ultimate even had more utility: it slowed enemies. This one has nothing but flex And people forgot that reworks are supposed to be great. Don't let Pantheon be like Aatrox and Akali where their mains hate it. Riot can do better. They just need to see him play or play it themselves I played a lot of Old Pantheon before and also several games (like 10) of new Pantheon as well. I'm just playing him for fun at this point. Mordekaisers rework was successful. It satisfied (most) of Mordekaiser players as well as people who didn't play him. Not only Riot gave the kit what Mordekaiser player wanted but Riot also had the balls to release him with great numbers and nerfed him later. Pantheon was opposite. They are too afraid Pantheon would wreck everyone so they release him weaker
IainG10 (EUW)
: Rioters have also said you don't need to play the game to balance it.....
> [{quoted}](name=IainG10,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tWNN0BEU,comment-id=00110000,timestamp=2019-08-13T16:41:12.601+0000) > > Rioters have also said you don't need to play the game to balance it..... Don't see what's your point. They created this game. They decided this alpha Chad lion was healthy for this game.
Jakra (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=l love Ahri,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tWNN0BEU,comment-id=00100000,timestamp=2019-08-13T14:20:45.397+0000) > > Because Zed and Leblanc is safer? They have better escape tool Well sure, but that doesn't excuse the fact that both of them need to put in significantly more effort to offload their damage than Rengar.
> [{quoted}](name=Jakra,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tWNN0BEU,comment-id=001000000000,timestamp=2019-08-14T12:50:41.524+0000) > > Well sure, but that doesn't excuse the fact that both of them need to put in significantly more effort to offload their damage than Rengar. It's because they are a safer champion that they need to put effort. Rengar is way less safer. He has more chance to die when jumping into a whole enemy team. Zed and Leblanc has higher chance of survival Then there's Kha'Zix. Not only is he safe but he can deal tons of damage with minimal effort.
Jakra (EUW)
: The biggest problem with Rengar is that when you compare him to the likes of Zed and Leblanc, there really isn't much room for him to go wrong with him offloading his damage. Say what you will about Zed and Leblanc, they at least have some ways of messing up their abilities. But for Rengar, he can just ult and right click, and then press Q the moment he pounces on someone. Sure, you could argue that Rengar's weakness is that he could pounce at completely the wrong moment, wrong champion, etc. But that comes the territory with assassins. They're high risk characters that need to assess a risk before going in. So why pick an assassin like Zed and Leblanc, when Rengar can offload the same amount of damage with such minimalist effort?
> [{quoted}](name=Jakra,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tWNN0BEU,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2019-08-13T11:05:09.658+0000) > > The biggest problem with Rengar is that when you compare him to the likes of Zed and Leblanc, there really isn't much room for him to go wrong with him offloading his damage. > > Say what you will about Zed and Leblanc, they at least have some ways of messing up their abilities. But for Rengar, he can just ult and right click, and then press Q the moment he pounces on someone. Sure, you could argue that Rengar's weakness is that he could pounce at completely the wrong moment, wrong champion, etc. But that comes the territory with assassins. They're high risk characters that need to assess a risk before going in. > > So why pick an assassin like Zed and Leblanc, when Rengar can offload the same amount of damage with such minimalist effort? Because Zed and Leblanc is safer? They have better escape tool
GilxeN (EUW)
: Rengar was reworked from this current single target one shot to, multi target one shot, they reverted the rework... Whole assassins existence is making this game unfun and unplayable.
> [{quoted}](name=GilxeN,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tWNN0BEU,comment-id=0003000100000002,timestamp=2019-08-13T11:34:38.272+0000) > > Rengar was reworked from this current single target one shot to, multi target one shot, they reverted the rework... > > Whole assassins existence is making this game unfun and unplayable. Assassins are a common concept in games. Name me a moba that doesn't have assassins. If that moba exists you might want to move there for more fun? After all, games are for fun. No point in playing a game that is unfun unless you're doing it for money Know what would happen if this game doesn't have assassins? Mages and ADCs would be top tier and cancerous
: Can we please talk about how toxic Rengar is as a character
Rioters already said that one shot is very healthy for the game on some champions, specially Rengar. [Proof](https://mobile.twitter.com/riotaugust/status/1128759095895269376) He's not the only one. There are others but I'm not gonna bother Rengar is designed to one shot a squishy whether you like it or not. You have a ban phase and also stopwatch and zhonya. These are counters but you're too in denial to accept that. Zhonya and stopwatch makes Rengar's one shot useless. How is that not a counter? Maybe play other moba then. Try Dota if you want "strategic" game
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