Korensky (NA)
: We have made some routing adjustments to try and resolve this - can you let us know if your pings have returned back to normal? Thanks Edit: If not, please let us know who your ISP is and what region you're in so we can narrow the scope of where we're looking.
> [{quoted}](name=Korensky,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=E2ZvtEAh,comment-id=0060,timestamp=2019-08-26T00:47:56.602+0000) > > We have made some routing adjustments to try and resolve this - can you let us know if your pings have returned back to normal? > > Thanks > > Edit: If not, please let us know who your ISP is and what region you're in so we can narrow the scope of where we're looking. Hey, Mine is back to standard 140ms on NA, i guess u guys fixed it. Can you please tell me why is my Eune ping ~50ms, i remeber having ~ 30ms back in season 4,5,6 when i was playing on my old laptop, now i have 3x faster internet and 3k$ pc and i did not change my location but ping is increased. Its nearly double the old ping. Thank you anyway. Tracing route to 104.160.142.3 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 2 8 ms 8 ms 8 ms 3 8 ms 8 ms 9 ms 4 10 ms 13 ms 13 ms bg-ne-m-0-be102.sbb.rs [89.216.5.10] 5 30 ms 30 ms 32 ms de-fra-r-1-be1.sbb.rs [89.216.5.97] 6 31 ms 30 ms 29 ms de-fra-r-1-be1.sbb.rs [89.216.5.97] 7 30 ms 29 ms 30 ms pr01.fra02.riotdirect.net [80.81.193.163] 8 30 ms 31 ms 30 ms 104.160.142.3 Trace complete.
ARC RAZIEL (EUNE)
: Riot ? 50+ ping increse
and ye this bug i have like last few seasons, not rly sure, but now its stable 49 ping on eune but i used to have 30, 31 from season 2. it does not effect me that much but still why ? its nearly double ms.... as u can see here it says ~30 but in game its 49 http://prntscr.com/ox4pcw Tracing route to 104.160.142.3 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 2 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms 3 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms 4 9 ms 11 ms 11 ms bg-tp-m-0-be104.sbb.rs [89.216.5.16] 5 31 ms 29 ms 28 ms de-fra-r-1-be1.sbb.rs [89.216.5.97] 6 29 ms 29 ms 28 ms de-fra-r-1-be1.sbb.rs [89.216.5.97] 7 29 ms 28 ms 28 ms pr01.fra02.riotdirect.net [80.81.193.163] 8 27 ms 28 ms 29 ms 104.160.142.3 Trace complete.
ARC RAZIEL (EUNE)
: Riot ? 50+ ping increse
ye from Wienna to Prague like from Iceland to New Zeland :) i mean not like they are 30min fly distance :) but ye ping went from 20 to 180 :) Tracing route to 104.160.131.3 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 2 8 ms 8 ms 8 ms 3 8 ms 7 ms 10 ms 4 13 ms 14 ms 15 ms bg-ne-m-0-be104.sbb.rs [89.216.5.18] 5 20 ms 20 ms 19 ms at-vie-r-2-be1.sbb.rs [89.216.5.78] 6 21 ms 17 ms 19 ms win-b4-link.telia.net [213.248.99.157] 7 182 ms 140 ms 137 ms prag-bb1-link.telia.net [62.115.113.68] 8 272 ms 142 ms 149 ms hbg-bb1-link.telia.net [62.115.119.66] 9 137 ms 138 ms 138 ms ldn-bb3-link.telia.net [80.91.249.10] 10 138 ms 137 ms 140 ms nyk-bb4-link.telia.net [62.115.113.20] 11 137 ms 138 ms 137 ms chi-b21-link.telia.net [62.115.137.59] 12 186 ms 185 ms 184 ms riot-ic-315569-chi-b21.c.telia.net [62.115.63.66] 13 184 ms 184 ms 185 ms 104.160.131.3 Trace complete.
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ARC RAZIEL (EUNE)
: Diana @Riot Zhanos
Thank you all for support! :)
: > [{quoted}](name=ARC RAZIEL,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=dFvb09E8,comment-id=00050000000000000000000200000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T19:32:44.941+0000) > > where u get that info its about having low ping ? i done it over 1k times on NA server while playing with 140 ms ?? what df are u taling about ? u dont even know what u trash talk but still talking like u know anything about it, or like u ever done it or seen it. The first time riot tried to remove the bug a season ago they cited the fact that the combo was inconsistent due to ping levels as one of the justifications for removing it. Also, you are right. I've never done it, and guess what? I don't ever plan to knowingly abuse any bugged mechanics in this game.
> [{quoted}](name=Shadowkhan,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=dFvb09E8,comment-id=000500000000000000000002000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T22:57:50.717+0000) > > The first time riot tried to remove the bug a season ago they cited the fact that the combo was inconsistent due to ping levels as one of the justifications for removing it. Also, you are right. I've never done it, and guess what? I don't ever plan to knowingly abuse any bugged mechanics in this game. nah boy u dont have hands to do it.
: Its a good nerf. IMO, combo that lacks counter play but has easy condition should be nerfed or removed. For example, yasuo q3 eq r combo should persist for it has not counter play but have a lot of condition(land q3, have minons aside and good timing) to happen. In diana, what you have to do its just got the passive and w up and rq the target at the same time. If the dev realy want to keep the rq combo, they should either 1) reset the passive when ult its refreshed 2) make the hit box of q smaller at the end of spell or slower the trajactory speed of q. With 1) lower the burst dmg 2) make it easier to dodge and counter play. Or they could change the E like qiyana, which empowers Q to make it to deal more dmg and refresh the ult, normal Q will not refresh the ult but still the dmg its not nerfed and the RQ combo become ERQ combo which gives them some time to react when they see a diana uses her E.
> [{quoted}](name=mayurikamisama,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=dFvb09E8,comment-id=0013,timestamp=2019-07-18T21:48:49.117+0000) > > Its a good nerf. IMO, combo that lacks counter play but has easy condition should be nerfed or removed. For example, yasuo q3 eq r combo should persist for it has not counter play but have a lot of condition(land q3, have minons aside and good timing) to happen. In diana, what you have to do its just got the passive and w up and rq the target at the same time. If the dev realy want to keep the rq combo, they should either 1) reset the passive when ult its refreshed 2) make the hit box of q smaller at the end of spell or slower the trajactory speed of q. With 1) lower the burst dmg 2) make it easier to dodge and counter play. > > Or they could change the E like qiyana, which empowers Q to make it to deal more dmg and refresh the ult, normal Q will not refresh the ult but still the dmg its not nerfed and the RQ combo become ERQ combo which gives them some time to react when they see a diana uses her E. its good nerf :D ye it effect 5 ppl. look at yourself :D commenting something that u dont know :D thats why i allways ask to make high elo section, look what u just said: "In diana, what you have to do its just got the passive and w up and rq the target at the same time " ye thats how rqr works :DDDD not maybe rq on 925range , no more no less or u wont get R reset. no no its just stack up pasiv and rq :DDD talking about soemthing he never seen in his life :) watch this so u know what combo we talk about cuz u clearly have no idea: min 1:40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpyeWWBYTew
: > [{quoted}](name=ChaosReyn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=dFvb09E8,comment-id=000500000000000000000002,timestamp=2019-07-18T17:25:54.464+0000) > > It's *you* that doesn't get it. And you're in total denial, trying to specifically *avoid* getting it. > > If a champion in your case is an avatar controlled by a player, then the combos that avatar are capable of using are *also* controlled by the player. You do not get to simply r/q everything with no counterplay - you have to go through the process of learning "yes, this *is* possible", then learning how to make it work consistently, then figure out how to make it work consistently in an ever changing environment full of other players who have found similar playstyle exploits on other avatars. It's not that the r/q lacks counterplay. It's that *people such as yourself* lack the desire to *learn and adapt*. > > This isn't the same as, for example, Kench - where it was literally pointless to play melees against him because of his kit. > Or Akali, where she could at one point sit under the enemy tower in her shroud and castrate the enemy laner without turret doing anything. > ***THOSE*** are examples I would relate to what you're attempting to say. So it's not like you have *no* point. > > But in the case of Diana, her one "exploit" is more like an Alistar W/Q combo, or a Riven animation cancel - it's not gamebreaking, there are ways to deal with it, and it frustrates people who lack ability. That's all it is. > > EDIT: And if I were looking to insult you, and not just tell you that everything you're saying is horse shit, trust me, I can get toxic. That's not my perogative. Yawn, very hard to learn combo that depends on having low ping~ don't kid yourself. xD p.s. you're bad at insults so just don't bother. :)
> [{quoted}](name=Shadowkhan,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=dFvb09E8,comment-id=0005000000000000000000020000,timestamp=2019-07-18T18:41:38.890+0000) > > Yawn, very hard to learn combo that depends on having low ping~ don't kid yourself. xD > > p.s. you're bad at insults so just don't bother. :) where u get that info its about having low ping ? i done it over 1k times on NA server while playing with 140 ms ?? what df are u taling about ? u dont even know what u trash talk but still talking like u know anything about it, or like u ever done it or seen it.
: > [{quoted}](name=Scylina,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=dFvb09E8,comment-id=000500000000000000000003,timestamp=2019-07-18T18:27:10.358+0000) > > While I agree that the name-calling is unwarranted, OP has a point, and their analogy isn't nearly so farfetched as you make it out to be. They're not comparing Diana herself to Nadal or Faker - rather, they're comparing the practice and dedication required to pull off a buggy, RNG-based combo like Diana's RQR, consistently, to those powerhouses. And, if they're able to pull a combo like that off consistently, why shouldn't they be rewarded for it? > > Better yet, rather than demanding for the combo back, OP's suggesting a way to recreate and balance Diana's combo with an amount of counterplay that can be taken advantage of in higher elo, where Diana mains were really taking advantage of her deceptively high skill cap. They may not be happy with the change, but only because her ability to 100-0 the enemy ADC in a tenth of a second was the core of her identity in upper-level play, and without that, a lot of other assassins are just flat-out better than her at doing her job. > > Your problem was that you focused on one single part of OP's argument, and didn't even properly interpret it. It's no wonder all of your comments have been downvoted. :/ idrc about downvotes, people on here are sheep by nature m8. Also, i don't consider a highly ping dependent combo that anyone with lower ping can do without only a little practice comparable to nadal being able to serve ridiculously hard. His dumb analogy is irrelevant though, because bugs like this should be removed. Especially those that lack counter-play.
> [{quoted}](name=Shadowkhan,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=dFvb09E8,comment-id=0005000000000000000000030000,timestamp=2019-07-18T18:38:54.854+0000) > > idrc about downvotes, people on here are sheep by nature m8. Also, i don't consider a highly ping dependent combo that anyone with lower ping can do without only a little practice comparable to nadal being able to serve ridiculously hard. > > His dumb analogy is irrelevant though, because bugs like this should be removed. Especially those that lack counter-play. highly ping dependent combo that anyone with lower ping can do" sure every diana ever done it. i m liying its simple combo everyone used to do it.
Scylina (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shadowkhan,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=dFvb09E8,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T14:28:18.687+0000) > > Bro, you just don't get it at all. There is nothing wrong with faker and Nadal having an advantage due to experience, skill, strength, speed or whatever metric you want to use. It's fine because these are individuals who earn their advantages through a combination of hard work and talent. > > Comparing faker or Nadal to a champion just doesn't make sense, because the champions are avatars being controlled by the player. Playing a certain champion should never equate to a superstar athlete playing with less talented or successful ones. All champions should have the same baseline strength in order for the game to be balanced. All you and the op are advocating is keeping diana stronger than the other champions with this tennis analogy. When i play ahri mid vs diana, it shouldn't feel like I'm Andy Roddick playing against Rafael Nadal or in league terms: ryu vs faker. Faker and Nadal earned their reputation and advantages with their own merit, but my opponent didn't earn shit just by picking diana. > > All I'm saying is that the op's analogy was terrible and that diana's rq combo shouldn't be left in the game because it lacks counter-play. Also, im done responding to you, because all you're doing is calling me shit and making assumptions about my skill or intelligence. I get way more creative insults in the normal que games i play nowadays, so you're kind of boring me. While I agree that the name-calling is unwarranted, OP has a point, and their analogy isn't nearly so farfetched as you make it out to be. They're not comparing Diana herself to Nadal or Faker - rather, they're comparing the practice and dedication required to pull off a buggy, RNG-based combo like Diana's RQR, consistently, to those powerhouses. And, if they're able to pull a combo like that off consistently, why shouldn't they be rewarded for it? Better yet, rather than demanding for the combo back, OP's suggesting a way to recreate and balance Diana's combo with an amount of counterplay that can be taken advantage of in higher elo, where Diana mains were really taking advantage of her deceptively high skill cap. They may not be happy with the change, but only because her ability to 100-0 the enemy ADC in a tenth of a second was the core of her identity in upper-level play, and without that, a lot of other assassins are just flat-out better than her at doing her job. Your problem was that you focused on one single part of OP's argument, and didn't even properly interpret it. It's no wonder all of your comments have been downvoted. :/
> [{quoted}](name=Scylina,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=dFvb09E8,comment-id=000500000000000000000003,timestamp=2019-07-18T18:27:10.358+0000) > > While I agree that the name-calling is unwarranted, OP has a point, and their analogy isn't nearly so farfetched as you make it out to be. They're not comparing Diana herself to Nadal or Faker - rather, they're comparing the practice and dedication required to pull off a buggy, RNG-based combo like Diana's RQR, consistently, to those powerhouses. And, if they're able to pull a combo like that off consistently, why shouldn't they be rewarded for it? > > Better yet, rather than demanding for the combo back, OP's suggesting a way to recreate and balance Diana's combo with an amount of counterplay that can be taken advantage of in higher elo, where Diana mains were really taking advantage of her deceptively high skill cap. They may not be happy with the change, but only because her ability to 100-0 the enemy ADC in a tenth of a second was the core of her identity in upper-level play, and without that, a lot of other assassins are just flat-out better than her at doing her job. > > Your problem was that you focused on one single part of OP's argument, and didn't even properly interpret it. It's no wonder all of your comments have been downvoted. :/ u are right !
Ahri Baka (EUNE)
: if you fail combo you die? really ? Pretty sure Diana has a shield to absorb damage and a champion like Ahri has low damage anyway , you won't die to an Ahri And you don't lose lane by dying once God knows how many times I killed Dianas in lane but later they just and 1 shoot lol She shouldn't be straight buffed like what you suggested , the champion is extremely unfun to play against and just needs a rework ( to end up laso unfun to play against because Riot reworks )
> [{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=dFvb09E8,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-07-18T17:17:28.936+0000) > > if you fail combo you die? really ? > Pretty sure Diana has a shield to absorb damage and a champion like Ahri has low damage anyway , you won't die to an Ahri > And you don't lose lane by dying once > God knows how many times I killed Dianas in lane but later they just and 1 shoot lol > She shouldn't be straight buffed like what you suggested , the champion is extremely unfun to play against and just needs a rework ( to end up laso unfun to play against because Riot reworks ) i dont know maybe in gold ppl dont die but when i fail combo vs challengers they usually kill me .
: > [{quoted}](name=ChaosReyn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=dFvb09E8,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-07-18T13:53:09.593+0000) > > Except Nadal and Federer *can* be beaten. Just not by people with shit for brains. > Goes to show you the logic of people who can't harness and apply the skills necessary to play the game, and thusly need the game to play for them. Uh, what exactly are you trying to say? Just because it's possible to lose with diana doesn't make her abilities/bugs balanced. The comparison to tennis is shit, because Nadal has a significant advantage over other players, whereas league champions should be designed with the same power budget just different mechanics in order for the game to be balanced.
> [{quoted}](name=Shadowkhan,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=dFvb09E8,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T14:01:07.124+0000) > > Uh, what exactly are you trying to say? Just because it's possible to lose with diana doesn't make her abilities/bugs balanced. The comparison to tennis is shit, because Nadal has a significant advantage over other players, whereas league champions should be designed with the same power budget just different mechanics in order for the game to be balanced. i can bet that u faced max 1 diana player who had RQ technique mastered.. so pls dont talk like they all does it . first search on yt what is it then comment.
: Nadal=Diana
> [{quoted}](name=tsiripipikos,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=dFvb09E8,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-18T13:07:25.878+0000) > > Nadal=Diana Every diana had RQ technique? or just few poeple in world ?
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