: > [{quoted}](name=DaenrysTargaryen,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=eH9Ekka9,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-15T15:27:53.126+0000) > > I have removed the picture as it did show the username of a player, which follows the Naming and Shaming rule: > > If you have any question about this action please do not hesitate to visit us at > > * [The Boards Discord](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification) > * [Discuss the Boards](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation) > > Thanks. Yes Riot, hire/get people to remove pictures of actual griefers, don't put the same effort into banning those that actually deserve it. Big brain.
As far as I know, moderators like DaenrysTargarven are not paid a single penny/cent or whatever for the service they do for Riot. Moderators simply follow the rules set by Riot then they moderate these boards. If they don't, they won't remain moderators for much longer. Do not take your anger out at the messenger, who is trying to do his (not paid) job as well as he can.
: WEll the system and how it works is actually a secret to me, cause there is no clear line, ive never had a punishment before so ye i dont know. i can only base my knowlage on what i see, and what i see is streamers promoting worse behaviour every day in chat and not getting any penalties. there is no warnings, nothign that tells you that this isnt apropriate. i never dropped phrases like "kys" any racial slurs or similar, worst ive said is "Ape" and "SIT", n thats the worst of it. in general i dont talk at all in my games. so the point is there should be something between not knowing and same punishment as people that do it over and over and dont learn. the punishment ofc is suposed to feel bad i agree, but the whole point of this is to make u behave better is it not? so having a first time punishment that feels so defeating isnt helping the issue. instead of getting a smaller punishment and warning, u get 0 warnings and a full punishment and then you dont feel motivated to be better. its too vauge. there is no system that warns you about whats apropriate or not, it goes from 0 to 100. and i feel this is wrong. and im not "risking" my rewards, cause there was no indication that my rewards was at risk at all.
There used to be a system that gave warnings, but apparently that confused people and caused them to contact Support, creating extra work for the overworked support personnel. That is (imo) the reason why the warning system was removed. Since you feel you were punished too harshly, I assume you got a 14 day suspension as the punishment. You get one of those as 'first time' punishment, if you use a Zero Tolerance word(s) on the chat (racism, hate speech etc). Using Zero Tolerance is you were really bad on the Severity part of "consistency x severity" scale and therefore the punishment is heavy. For most people, the first time punishment is a 10 match chat ban. I recommend you read [IFS FAQ.](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/207489286-Instant-Feedback-System-FAQ-) Finally an advice: If you wish to keep your account like most sane people do (you seem sane to me anyways), you will follow this advice: If someone annoys you, mute him, don't talk to/with/about him at any phase of the game, and if you think he did something punishable, report him in post game lobby. Also, only use chat to provide morale boost for the team or strategy talks. Anything else on the chat is a risk that might get you punished and the next punishment after 14 day suspension is permanent suspension. By following these instructions, your punishment tier will gradually go down and in a year or so of active honorable playing, you will reach clear slate state in which IFS has forgotten your bad deeds. At that time you will hopefully continue to follow the guideline and you won't ever lose your account that way. Ah, if you wish to know the most likely cause for your punishment, feel free to provide your unaltered chat logs for us to analyze.
Razarath (NA)
: FIX ARAM
Shouldn't this be under Memes and Games, or are you actually serious? If you are serious, play some other game mode; those actually allow you to pick your champion.
: btw its Stockholm syndrome and yes i agree its infuriating that your forced to play a game that have teammates to ping question marks on you.
Ping spam can be avoided by using ping mute. Additionally you can use report in the post-game lobby (not that I believe Riot actually punishes people for ping spam, but I report, because they should).
: We differ between soft int and hard int, please. Soft int is feeding, hard int is feeding on purpose. (And yes, I know the meaning of int/inting (intentional (feeding)))
Isn't "Soft int" just as intentional as "hard int", except that it is camouflaged to appear as accidental/bad play? Both are "inting", soft variety is just even more difficult for IFS to detect than "hard". If it is "inting", it is "intentional". Just feeding is not Inting, at least imo.
Akrid415 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Baka Red,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uAoMFEaI,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-29T10:39:22.812+0000) > > If you want a random champ for yourself every time, there is a simple way for that; get all the champs, don't use rerolls and don't ever change the champ to another either from the bench or from the team mates. Of course, that won't prevent you from seeing the top tier champions, since practically everyone else will use rerolls to get a better team and thus you see the top tier champions more often than the bottom tier. Well, you can play with your eyes closed; at least you won't see the same champions that way! ;) > > Unfortunately we the players do not have a way to know if the rolling system is weighted towards certain champions or not, but I would guess it is weighted towards the free champion rotation champions to make the lives of aram account people harder. You may claim you know because you see them "every match", but that every match is just exaggeration, and the feeling you get is just observer bias (I think that is what it is called, but I might be wrong). It's not observer bias at all. I don't get how people are even defending this system. It's busted, period. Saying "every match" is obviously not literal but it's pretty damn often. You know what I meant, quit trying to make things so literal and complicated. I could make a tally for every time I roll any champs and I can GUARANTEE you that certain champs will have a much higher tally than others. Again, explain to me where Syndra has been? Kled? Ahri? Yorick? I can't tell you the last time I rolled them. Yet just looking at my history you can see Talon and Jhin twice within 10 matches. Out of the 144 champs I got 2 of them TWICE within 10 matches. "Random" though. But hey that's just observer bias right?
Well, if you are so serious about the matter, collect those statistics and get your masters degree with those (or whatever you can do with those). I rather play the game myself.
Akrid415 (NA)
: > You may claim you know because you see them "every match", but that every match is just exaggeration, and the feeling you get is just observer bias (I think that is what it is called, but I might be wrong). I just got into a lobby right now and rolled A Sol. I just rolled him my last match. Re rolled him both times cause he's boring (imo), but that's besides the point. Is that observer bias as well? Rolling ONE CHAMP out of 144 twice in a row?
Rolling two sixes on two rolls of a die in row is just as likely as rolling a 6 and 1 in row. Twice in row means nothing, it is just luck. To mean anything, you need to collect actual statistics from thousands of games. I suggest you try to enjoy the game instead of complaining. Random is random, even if you roll the same number twice (or more) in row.
: ah gotcha, and I spoke too soon: https://ibb.co/4FgHDMY I got the notification. When this happens, does this mean he got chat restricted or did he get like 2 week ban?
Since he used zero tolerance word(s), his punishment is supposed to be the minimum of 14 day of suspension. The message itself doesn't tell us if it is so. If you have to know, you can check if he continues playing by checking his match history.
: Aram matchmaking is hilarious
Oh, and what do you do with the unranked, who only play ARAM (ie: the really serious grim faced ARAM players)? and what is one of those in top 5% MMR of ARAM happens to peek into ranked, decide that it isn't for him and returns to ARAM, now ranked Paper X or something? Maybe the occasional ranked players finding themselves from Abyss should instead receive some kind of MMR bonus for ARAM, so they get closer to their skill level people on the match, but total "No Bronzies with Diamonds" restriction would cause problems.
Akrid415 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=PermaJinxed,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uAoMFEaI,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-24T04:28:58.051+0000) > > I've noticed day by day I get the same champ several times in a single day... Then the next day I get a different champion repeatedly. > > Two days ago I got my first {{champion:99}} game in months...... > Seem to get {{champion:145}} a lot though.... Yeah it's both weird and annoying as fuck. I REALLY want to be able to have a random champ given to me, but I'm rolling the same champs over and over. It's like I have a set core of champs assigned to me for ARAM and that's all I get.
If you want a random champ for yourself every time, there is a simple way for that; get all the champs, don't use rerolls and don't ever change the champ to another either from the bench or from the team mates. Of course, that won't prevent you from seeing the top tier champions, since practically everyone else will use rerolls to get a better team and thus you see the top tier champions more often than the bottom tier. Well, you can play with your eyes closed; at least you won't see the same champions that way! ;) Unfortunately we the players do not have a way to know if the rolling system is weighted towards certain champions or not, but I would guess it is weighted towards the free champion rotation champions to make the lives of aram account people harder. You may claim you know because you see them "every match", but that every match is just exaggeration, and the feeling you get is just observer bias (I think that is what it is called, but I might be wrong).
Akrid415 (NA)
: Anyone like playing a champ you're not that good with?
For me it is LB. What do you mean she isn't an ADC? :D .. I cannot play her as AP assassin at all. Well, frankly, I cannot play any assassin. With LB, I at least have an alternative build to go with.
: Disable pyke on aram
I would prefer seeing ban system return, so everyone could ban the champion they don't want to see in Abyss. In my case that champion is/was Pyke.
TrulyBland (EUNE)
: Whenever one of my friends starts feeling like the game is already lost, one of us is sure to just say "Dancing Ezreal". It's basically a reminder of a ranked game we had pretty much already lost. The enemy Ezreal (last person standing) literally would have just had to attack the Nexus one more time. But because he initially decided to dance instead, he didn't manage to before one of us respawned and killed him. We immediately went baron (old AD/AP boost baron), they arrived just barely too late, we aced them and pushed mid for a win.
Yep, those things happen on occasion and they are quite delicious if you manage to get a win from that situation. The best one that happened to me was in ARAM (I only play those): Enemy team aced us, destroyed our nexus turrets and all five of them waited for us to respawn to fish for kills from the respawns ... too bad that my humble tank blitz hook got their Varus to the fountain, and the rest of my team spawned in seconds after me. We crushed them at our end, killed them again then they tried to defend 1 or 2 at a time after respawning (they died at longer intervals than we did) while we went for their end and finished off the nexus turrets and nexus without dancing. It was so delicious victory, that I still have the highlight saved. :) Of course, I have lost (and almost lost) some games due to people in my team doing their dance rourines instead of finishing off the nexus. Those guys get a report (even though those will do nothing else than reduce my frustration a bit). I often also report the enemies for dancing at our end. I am a bad bad reporter person! In short: Don't dance. Kill the nexus. Well, if you are the enemy, please do dance. :D
Achad44 (NA)
: Game 1 In-Game Achad44: good ? Achad44: b Achad44: u ask us ? Achad44: lol Achad44: ok Achad44: fuck you Achad44: ok fuck off noobs Achad44: u are so bad Achad44: FF Achad44: brain Achad44: srsly you are stupid as d1ck Achad44: fuck you all Achad44: just 500 dmg on hit ? Achad44: why moron ? Achad44: lol Achad44: fuck off Achad44: win my a55 Achad44: i said fuck off Achad44: you can't win Achad44: bcz you are too stupid Achad44: FF pls Achad44: you will be bronze 4ever Achad44: why don't you go all 5 mid and finish this bullshit ? Achad44: fuck off kid Achad44: i don't have to for this Achad44: we can lose in 15 minutes and in 40 minutes Achad44: you fucking waste of time Achad44: says who Achad44: thatnks to r%%%%%s like you i never win Achad44: stupid kidz Game 2 In-Game Achad44: i give up Achad44: surrender pls Achad44: we just lost Achad44: just wait 5 more minutes to surrender Achad44: look it's 3v12 Achad44: FF Achad44: dude calm dawn Achad44: can't you see we can't win Achad44: just go 5 mid and finish this pls Achad44: chill man i am only lvl 4 Achad44: lol i yi q and i am dead Achad44: and you keep feeding Achad44: pls guys go all mid and finish this bullzh1t Achad44: this bronze is worse then blind pick Achad44: no Achad44: i am here Achad44: i just give up Achad44: lol i am 4 lvl Achad44: waiting 15 for surrender Achad44: whateva Achad44: lol funny kidz Achad44: can't you finish us pls ? Achad44: told ya Post-Game Achad44: report lux for leaving Game 3 Pre-Game Achad44: we are losing this In-Game Achad44: surrender at 15 ? Achad44: see Achad44: we are losing Achad44: so stupid move Achad44: lol look at our cs Achad44: nice ? Achad44: just surrender Achad44: no need Achad44: i am bad player Achad44: and i am here to lose Achad44: going to bronze 4 Achad44: shut up Achad44: vote yes Achad44: lol Achad44: fuck off Achad44: waste of time Achad44: FF Achad44: no Achad44: np, thanks for wining, i wanna go bronze 4 Achad44: ok go baron then finish us Achad44: gg ez . this happen almost every single match if some1 doesn't like to read what i write he can simply mute/ignore me it's just a text p.s. you can't prevent ppl being toxic and raged by simply baning them LOOOOL
"Achad44: thatnks to r%%%%%s like you i never win" That looks like Zero Tolerance term use to me and if those are reported, they usually result in 14 day suspension at minimum.
: screen freeze
Your post would fare better under Report Bug boards. I offer one potential cause for the freeze though; My league freezes often during loading process requiring restart to recover, if I have my SLI bridge active. If you have SLI bridge, turn it off before you start to play League.
: So just and update From support:- >Hello there, > >I looked into your chat logs and I can confirm that they have not been offensive. However, you are still spamming a lot, arguing with your >teammates and being negative, which is creating a bad experience for the other players in the game. That is also the reason why you have >received only a chat restriction and not a harsher punishment. > >You have been restricted from the chat, as sending messages all the time is very distracting fro the actual purpose - playing the game. The chat >has been implemented for creating strategy, not for arguing with your teammates. > >I hope that this explains the situation. Thank you for your time and have a nice day! :) > >Kind regards, >Bobby > >Riot Games Player Support Ok so to boil it down; I'm spamming, which apparently is just typing too much? and that's somehow punishable now? When the fuck did this happen?
Please note that the Rioter also said that you are being negative. That is one of the things that gets you punished once you have been negative for long enough. Personally I don't consider your logs especially negative, but there are some negative elements thrown in there. My suggetion to you is that imo you should try to avoid using chat that much in future, so you can avoid further punishment. It is meaningless to complain to your team mates; they will most likely react negatively, and that increases the probability of your team losing - and your complaints increase the risk of you getting punished. The safe way to use chat is the use only encouraging remarks and you should also be able to communicate tactics via chat (just be polite with those tactics discussions).
açid (NA)
: so youre saying all players are on a scale from "toxic" to "nontoxic" making all players "toxic" and not "toxic" at the same time? or that you only get banned once if youre this "toxic" but if youre this "toxic" you get permabanned. Cause I'm pretty sure if players arent choosing to be toxic theyre just having bad games/days and have nothing to "learn".
Please check your math and don't put words in my mouth. Thank you. Have a nice life.
açid (NA)
: But you shouldn't want an angry player to lose theyre stuff, thats an eye for an eye. I want them to be less angry. Why is riot inclining me to call the player "toxic" when they don't want to be? does that make sense to you? Toxicity doesn't effect you unless you call the other player "toxic" in your head. Is calling someone "toxic" and unworthy to play the game not "toxic" itself??? How is reporting another "toxic" player when you we're "toxic" yourself justifiable?
Like I said before: "If a polite line or three doesn't work (and they usually don't), your only choice is to ignore the troll one way or the other."
: damn... about 3 months ago comments saying "garbage company, dont spend money on them" got hated. now it gets upvotes. shit sure as hell went downhill for riot lol
It just means that couple of trolls saw that first.
açid (NA)
: Only 0.006% of players are "toxic" enough to result in a permaban. Riot's own statistic. That means 99.994% of players are not "toxic"
No, it doesn't mean that. It means that (however inaccurate that statistic might be) that most people aren't toxic enough to get punished the four times it takes to receive permanent suspension. Many will learn from the first time they get punished, and only a few are so toxic, that they don't get the final warning: 14-day suspension tells that the next punishment will be the permanent suspension.
açid (NA)
: Cool but how does reporting a player solve the problem when the player can just come back? Also riot has never tried completely removing chat from a "toxic" player only muting said player. I believe the communities view of "toxic" players only makes them more "toxic" as everyones always trying to blame someone else
Well, it isn't much of a consolation (especially since it just happened to you) but they do lose the time and (potentially) money invested in the suspended account. They do lose the skins, icons and such too. Granted, they can get those back, but if they keep on trolling, they will lose them again. Try not to lose the third account, if you ever create one.
açid (NA)
: what if I say something positive? What if thats all that theres room for?
If a polite line or three doesn't work (and they usually don't), your only choice is to ignore the troll one way or the other. The easiest way is to mute him. After the match report him and hope that IFS deals with it. Now, since you have responded to the trolls with negativity and insults, IFS has punished you. That is because you have been negative and thrown insults, because you could not keep your cool. That is unfortunate, but that is how things go here. In case you start a third account, you would do well to study [IFS FAQ](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/207489286-Instant-Feedback-System-FAQ-) and learn this simple rule; if someone annoys you in league, mute him, don't talk to/with/about him, and report him after the match - still not talking to/with/about him. Also, don't be negative in the chat. Following these guilines your account will be safe and the bad person will hopefully be punished some day in future. Oh, and you have to play to win and never troll too, to keep your account safe. On the other hand; chat can be safely used to talk about tactics, and it can be used for morale boosting.
shameemax (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Baka Red,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EhAbUPJM,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-06T08:12:10.090+0000) > > I think he tries to describe a situation in which he was suspended for 14 days, he complained to support and support said after 7 suspension days "It is our mistake, canceled the suspension and slapped him with chat restriction instead." Since he also begs for getting suspension instead, it seems that he has been slapped with Permanent suspension after that without the 14 day suspension in between. It is hard to tell, since his english is 'not too great'. :( > > I guess we will never know. yah ur master of english because its ur 1 st language . and listen i will tell u clearly this time cause of u r a such a child . i got 14 days ban for this account 2 months ago and it was there mistake .u know wt i inform them about this and they removed 14 days restract and told it was there mistake and gave me 25 chat restract and now they are perma ban my account with out giving 7 days or 14 days wt ever ban this is not fair . i cant undestand y riots act like this .im playing this game for 4 + years and i promote 20 + players to this game and these guys allways treat me like shit.thats all thank you.
: What you are talking about is duo boosting, and it isn't. Typical boosting is having someone else play on your account to raise your rank. Weirdly enough, it is punished differently than account sharing. At least as far as I remember.
Well, that kind of boosting sounds like account sharing to me. It is someone else playing on "your" account after all. I see no need for different term there, be it paid disservice or not. But thanks for the answer.
: > [{quoted}](name=zPOOPz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PFzqozi8,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-05T06:23:48.178+0000) > > Because you are complaining about a failed surrender vote. If your team refused to play, then report them all. But the rules are if the surrender vote doesn't go through, then you have to play the game. Your desire to not want to continue to play does not trump the other 3 people who supposedly do, hence the failed vote. Rito gave your team the option to end at 8 minutes. If your team, minus you, doesn't want to, then the game continues. I have many games where I have written off as a loss but still trapped in it for another 15-20 minutes. It's not like I don't know how that feels. However, my desire to leave does not trump a failed surrender vote. That's on my team, not Rito. If you don't like that rules, then don't play. So if two people want to surrender, that's half of the team right there that doesn't want to play, it's split 50-50 and YET we're still stuck here playing the game. That's not unanimous, not even majority. Technically it's the majority that doesn't want to play the game because the person AFK doesn't automatically disappear--they're just somewhere else other than where they need to be. And if the person is sitting in base moving their character around, that's automatically two people who don't want to play, including me, but ok, I'll give it a shot. I've had people not even vote the game out because they're not even looking at the game and only come back to prevent the AFK warning. I've had people do that obnoxiously in the middle of the lane. That's also not unanimous nor majority, either. But let's entertain the idea that we all want to play. You have to play perfectly, and in my elo that rarely happens, but people are stubborn. So guess what, we get run over hard and we have to take it every single time. Sometimes it happens more than once in a row. We waste over 20 min sitting there pretending to be bots, for something that could've been over in 5 min. We could've moved on right away to something more productively fun for all parties involved. I've tried to be a good sport about it but it's getting ridiculous and hence the post. It's not fun, in fact, it's anti-fun. It's not fun when it happens regularly. It's the exact opposite of fair and balanced team play. I get that you wanna move the goal post, that's fine by me, but at least drag along your previous points if you do that.
50-50 is not majority. That is even. And there are the enemies too to consider; they most likely do want to play, even though they might consider it a bit too easy. The thing to do in such a situation is to keep playing as well as you can, and hope that the afker connects and you guys get your fighting chance and maybe even the deserved win. That has happened to me plenty of times. Sometimes you can even win without the afker never showing up. *shrugs* I think it is fun to fight as the underdog, and the winning will feel even better in such situation, but I guess we aren't all the same. If we were... well, that would be boring I guess. I think you would consider me one of those "Never Surrender" guys - I ain't one, even though I very rarely do surrender.
: They do punish boosters though.
I thought "boosting" isn't the same as "account sharing". Isn't boosting just playing duo with a highly skilled player, and getting higher rank that way? That should not be punishable as far as I know. Account sharing is a big bad thing though and is punished harshly. We really should have a dictionary / terminology sticky here at the Player Behavior Boards. Unfortunately I am really too lazy (and busy) to write one, and I would most likely get some of the terminology wrong.
: Just so you know, you mayhave been mistaken... I dont believe there is a 7 day suspension, at least not that ive heard of. The punishment tiers are: 10 game chat restrict, 25 game chat restrict, 14 day ban, permaban. Just a FYI.
I think he tries to describe a situation in which he was suspended for 14 days, he complained to support and support said after 7 suspension days "It is our mistake, canceled the suspension and slapped him with chat restriction instead." Since he also begs for getting suspension instead, it seems that he has been slapped with Permanent suspension after that without the 14 day suspension in between. It is hard to tell, since his english is 'not too great'. :( I guess we will never know.
: Let me expand. Champions, whom can't be muted unless you crank down the volume, say the likes of "Lowly blasphemer! You are in the presence of a god!" "Are you even trying?" "Amateur hour." "Come back when you've collected all the bits of yourself!" "Only two jokers in a deck, and I got dealt you." "Smile, child, or I'll shove your jaw into your brain." "You are mediocrity. My genius will supplant you." Those MUST be the bare minimum of what taunts we can say in all chat. Not this preschool tee-hee boasts ya'll are suggesting.
No, those are not anything other than the character's in-game taunts. They aren't guidelines for what is appropriate for us players to use. If you wish to use those taunts, use that champion and use the appropriate keyboard shortcut for the taunt. Write it to chat yourself, and you risk being punished. Simple.
: I try this as well, but sometimes it requires words over pings to say what you think should be done to better secure the victory for your team. I can't bring myself to not try to help win the game. I think riot should be able to perma mute your account if you ask so that way you don't have to decide to turn chat on to help an ally or just suffer the loss due to lack of communication. It can't be an in-between its too inefficient and promotes toxicity. maybe I'm just ignorant I don't know.
You can still type in team chat, if your all-chat is turned off like the OP suggests. I have had all-chat off since I started and I never intend to turn it on. If you need to discuss strategy/tactics with your team, you shouldn't be using all-chat for that. And OP, if you happen to see this; Turning of all-chat is a good start. However, you still need to control what you type in your team chat, so please be careful out there.
: I'll surely admit my examples were pretty harsh. Are ya'll really saying the likes of... "Nope >:P" "?" "lol" "gotcha ;)" ...are my limits? That's ridiculous.
It sounds to me that you are saying that you don't have the skills to win a fair fight. I don't have much skills either, but I rather spend my time to actually play the game, instead of typing. I even have more of an advantage against people like you; while you your write taunts in all chat, I click, attack, move... and once you press enter, I don't see a thing in all chat, because that thing is turned off. :D Anyways; Taunts are a weak person's weapon and they risk your account getting punished. It is your choice if you wish to be labeled weak and risk your account doing so.
Pyrosan (NA)
: I'd hardly call me and my 4 idiots of a friend group a professional team, I think us being in the same lobby is a disadvantage if anything {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
I as the representative of the Baka Rangers agree. The only thing we have is at our side our Baka Powa Unlimited, but that is so overpowering, that it is clear why we get these complaints here at the boards. My apologies, Pyro-san and other like minded premade people who just like to have fun with their friends.
: > What is the reason we cannot use the words, if they are not directed at anyone? Whom is Riot protecting by doing that? It's because those words are intrinsically hateful, having historically been used to dehumanize people because of unchangeable aspects of their character. To my knowledge, only one instance of hate speech is being actively reclaimed, which is the N-word; even still, it has no place in League because of the aforementioned history of hate and dehumanization attached to it. As for not directing it at anyone; it's horribly unlikely that one would simply blurt out hate speech with no direction. One wouldn't get caught spouting the F-word without having called someone it - and no, the antiquated definitions for both F-words (cigarette and bundle of sticks, respectively) have no bearing on the words; they're antiquated for a reason, after all. --- The third paragraph looks to be pertaining to socio-political issues, and since that's against the [_Boards Universal Rules_](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/ITFIpNUE), I'll elect to skip over it. > **Inappropriate Discussion Topics** > > Do not post or engage in discussions of religion, ethnicity/race, sexual orientation, gender, politics, or real-world social issues. Real-world emergency situations will be allowed as long as they do not relate to the issues above. If you are unsure if your content is permissible, ask us on the [Moderation Discord](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/7rtKBZLi-boards-moderation-discord-verification) prior to posting. > > Inappropriate discussion topics may be subject to escalated punishments, depending on the content in question. --- > Bad things don't go away if we don't talk about them (or cannot talk about them). They keep coming back. Similar thing to the above is happening in our Player Behavior boards (in less important scale of course). Censorship might have it's place in the world, but imo that place should be kept as small as possible, because censorship (I am not actually sure there is a well used censorship is possible) will usually do at least some harm as a side effect. Again, I fail to see how censoring hate speech and pejorative language harms discussion in _Player Behavior_. The core of most discussion on the PB boards is centered around the behavior of an individual player, not the outstanding history and social implications of their particular flavor of hate. There's very little reason I see to discuss hate speech on its own. The problems of hate speech are self-evident, and consequently don't need extensive discussion. And it's not like giving players a history lesson is going to make them any more inclined to reform. Even still, it's not impossible to have discussions about hate speech when it's censored. It doesn't take much to ascertain what the word is, and hell, I've even had one or two instances of discussing the R-word and its being hate speech even after the Moderation team put forward the motion to censor it. This minute level of censorship does not inhibit discussion; all it does is protect those with the sensibilities that would be offended by those hateful terms.
This is pretty much only answer to the part where you 'fail to see how censoring .... harms discussion in Player Behavior." I did say it before I think, but my way of writing is most likely a bit too convoluted and confusing to follow at times. The problem is causes is: Those R%%%%%s words which can mean multiple things can derail discussions into "What do you mean with R%%%%%?" discussions, but I guess I can live with that. In addition even though I don't really usually need to know what the racial hate speech R%%%%%% is, but in some cases not knowing it may cause misunderstandings. I am not really that fired up to continue this discussion, so I just say that I appreciate your work here at the boards Regent. Keep up the good work. :)
: Does not talking in chat give you honour?
More honorable than what? More honorable than being toxic/negative etc? Sure. More honorable than being supportive/positive etc? Not at all. I personally don't talk much: In 85% of my matches, I say nothing. In the last 15% I seem to say one line, two at max. The things I say are of positive type. I don't get honors that often, since my gameplay is pretty average for my MMR. Yesterday I got the message that I had now reached the last checkpoint before reaching Honor 4. Hopefully that says something about "not talking at all"? Anyways, I believe I will reach Honor 5 before the end of the season. There is no reason why I would not do that. And I did reach that in the previous seasons, and I had "Honor" in the old system too. (Yes, I like to brag about that old system honor. I am evil. Sue me. :)
: well sometimes Riot does give you a notification that action has been taken against a player you reported but it is like seeing a unicorn *waves to Ted, his unicorn neighbor* rare as all hell
We are talking about getting notification for going down on punishment tier. I have never heard anyone getting such a thing. I surely haven't, but I haven't been punished either, so... :)
: I don't see how - or why, for that matter - one would really go about discussing hate speech, especially if we're comparing said discussion to discussions about cars. There's very little guesswork involved in determining what a variant of hate speech is. If there's six %'s, then there's really only two possibilities; it's either a racial slur, or a homophobic one. If there's three, it's the shortened homophobic slur. If there's a long string of percent signs, it's almost certainly a phrase making a mockery of another language. And, of course, I have to ask; what really is there to discuss about hate speech? It's awful language almost always used to insult and degrade people based on unchangeable aspects of their character, such as race or disability. The problems caused by the words don't really need discussed, since, again; the words are virtually always used to degrade people. Beyond that, why do we need to see the word explicitly in order to discuss it? As mentioned above, there's so few words that get censored that the few that cause confusion need only be clarified - is that six-letter string of percent signs homophobia, or racism? - we don't need to see the word to know what it is, much less to discuss the problems surrounding the word.
Well, maybe it is easy to know which variant is in use if you are native speaker, but apparently there is also a racial hate speech R%%%% word and the R%%%% which is about lack of intelligence. I personally tend to think this R%%%%%% word to be the latter, and I have no idea what kind of racial hate speech it is - but I guess it is. There are most likely others out there who get confused because of similar mixups and those tend to derail discussions to "No, I mean R%%%%%% the racial thing." "Oh, that is a racial thing now?" etc. What is the reason we cannot use the words, if they are not directed at anyone? Whom is Riot protecting by doing that? If people are not allowed to talk about something like Tiananmen square in China, people will forget it ever happened. There are lots of people in China now, who are not aware what happened there in 1989. That doesn't change the fact that people are still oppressed there if they try to be vocal about their rights - since the people aren't aware that it happened, will China roll over them with tanks this time too? Same thing has happened with holocaust of WWII; many people in Germany don't know/believe that things like gas chambers and killing camps happened. And history books in Russia are from different planet than the rest of the world. How does the saying go: Those who do not learn history, are doomed to repeat it? Bad things don't go away if we don't talk about them (or cannot talk about them). They keep coming back. Similar thing to the above is happening in our Player Behavior boards (in less important scale of course). Censorship might have it's place in the world, but imo that place should be kept as small as possible, because censorship (I am not actually sure there is a well used censorship is possible) will usually do at least some harm as a side effect.
zPOOPz (NA)
: Yeah... I typed out that term too.... {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
I wrote a [post about that ](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/Nib29OuI-player-behavior-word-censoring-harms-discussion-about-the-censored-words-by-causing-misunderstanding)under "Discuss the Boards" board. Maybe it will help, even though I very much doubt Riot notices.
Comentários de Rioters
zPOOPz (NA)
: Just out of curiosity, what is the hard R? I'm thinking r%%%%%, but I'm not sure that is considered ZT in-game.
Isn't it allowed to use those terms here in Player Behavior when we are talking about the terms themselves? I find it insane how people are trying to avoid saying the word here. The only "R" word that comes to my mind is "R%%%%%ed/R%%%%%". I guess some of you guys are talking about that. However, it is in no way racial slur, as far as I know. It is still zero tolerance though for different reasons. Edit; Oh, the system automatically censors those here too these days. I don't think it used to do so couple of months ago. Stupid system here on Player Behavior. :(
: I don't think you will know, as i'm unsure if it notifies you in any fashion which is probably for the best that way those who haven't fully reformed won't exactly know how much trouble they can cause before possibly being in that old spot again
There is no notification of any kind. That is why I said it is safest and easiest to not do anything punishable. There is nothing to gain by flaming/being negative etc anyways, so why do it? I guess everyone just cannot be logical. :(
: So if i go 400 matches without flaming my 14 day susp into perm ban will be gone?
Your punishment level _might_ get lowered if you do so. However, we the players do not know the exact details. The easiest way to avoid punishment is not to do punishable things; ie: stop flaming, being negative etc. What do you gain by flaming? The answer is nothing; you just make your team more likely to lose. So if someone annoys you somehow, mute him, don't talk about/with/to him, and if you think he deserves a report, report him in post game lobby. And no report calling either. Report calling is useless and counts as harassment and thus it is punishable behavior.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Ornndyr2k19,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=tcd71UQ1,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-21T12:47:55.318+0000) > > These options are present in the report pop-up > Verbal abuse > Hate speech > Leaving the game/AFK > > hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm All right. So what am I supposed to do? Put yourself in that situation: You have 4 premades that troll, all of them are on negative stats, enemy team has nearly 30 kills advantage, they don't want to surr, they call you an ape. You already got one ban, so instead of trying to argue you tell them facts and leave because you are not in a mood to wait 30 minutes until they finish, you prefer to play some normal game like dota, apex or literally an other game with normal system that punished bad playing. What do you do? I guess I'm not allowed to say that someone useless is useless because I might hurt his feelings. Glad they can call me an ape and after I rep them no punishment for them from Riot. Glad people **CONSTANTLY** troll on their games with each year more and more, yet Riot doesn't care and does nothing about it. Glad they banned such bad flamer as myself that dares to say that someone useless is useless. This system is so sick.
You are to play to the end and attempt to win, not whine about your team or the enemy team, and report those who deserve punishment in the post-game lobby. Optionally you can also mute them, so their whining/flaming etc won't agitate you more than it already does. Even if rest of the team are trolling, you can still learn something from that match, if not anything else, you can learn how to survive slightly longer in a 1 vs 5 fight.
: Another day another chat restriction
Soon you will find yourself suspended for two weeks, and after that permanently. Here is my advice dear Wilosonmeat, if you are sure you are doing something right, please do buy plenty of skins now and show your support for Riot that way. We, the players who like to keep playing this Free to play game thank you for that. Thank you. PS: I do not think you are doing anything right really, and I actually recommend you to try not to get punished anymore. I still do recommend you to buy some skins though, so we will have League to play in distant future.
: he asked me if i "actually" have a question ?! And what if i didn't ?! what then ?! what's his point ?! there's no point he's just being a douche (my opinion sue me) He's a moderator and FORUM he's not supposed to make snarky offensive comments THAT'S NOT HIS JOB but he's PERISCOPE so he can do whatever he wants right ?! no rules apply to him, why is he trolling ?! why is he talking about how i feel ?! "You seemed upset" .. what's that about i don't remember asking him anything especially not about how i feel. GOD forbid anyone dares to criticize any of the moderators especially PERISCOPE right ?! they can do no wrong, sure .. whatever idc anymore u like being trolled and insulted by moderators on this forum ?! good for you i don't i still have a little self respect left gl
> [{quoted}](name=SHROOMTALITY,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Ev3cYPuX,comment-id=000a0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-21T10:24:29.697+0000) > > GOD forbid anyone dares to criticize any of the moderators especially PERISCOPE right ?! they can do no wrong, sure .. whatever idc anymore u like being trolled and insulted by moderators on this forum ?! good for you i don't i still have a little self respect left gl Well, just happens that I have publicly critized a moderator, and I am still here. On the other hand that moderator is moderator no more. I haven't seen many moderators whom I consider 'bad' (the one I criticized is the only one I remember) and thus I think Riot and the moderators are doing pretty good job at moderating themselves. In fact practically every one of them seems to be doing a good job, and Periscope is one of those whom I respect. He is polite, humble and his facts are practically always true. He is still human though, so I can easily forgive a single minor slip like this 'actually' you seemed to be fuming about - I would not even have considered that offensive myself, but after you pointed it out, I can see some people might get it that way. I am not a moderator, and I believe you have got the answer to the Naming and Shaming question already, but I still check: Is there a question we the people reading these boards can help you with? If not, I recommend you go and do something relaxing for a while. Being furious for long time isn't good for your blood pressure - and it isn't that fun either I presume.
: This is 100% wrong .. you should work in riot support, they think and act according to the same beliefs as you. They don't ban or punish people who are toxic even when you show them screenshots. In one game someone ask me where i live, i didn't respond so then he said "I hope u get aids r%%%%% 12 years old so funny" "i cut off your head your family" i can't even say who it was because I WILL GET PUNISHED .. ARE YOU PEOPLE INSANE ?! (not you specifically i'm not trying to insult u just trying to make a point)
> [{quoted}](name=SHROOMTALITY,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Ev3cYPuX,comment-id=000a000000000002,timestamp=2019-05-20T06:20:44.867+0000) ... i can't even say who it was because I WILL GET PUNISHED .. You cannot say it _here_ at the boards. However, you can say it to the Riot personnel you can contact via Report system. Luckily, it is those Riot people who can actually punish the bad guys, and those Riot people are also those who can check if what you said is true. The people here at the boards cannot check the facts and thus the only thing allowing naming and shaming would do is to cause trouble to the innocent players, who trolls would claim are the bad guy and prove that with fabricated 'proof'. Naming and shaming rule has it's purpose of existing..
: Well, true, It would not be perfect, but I still think it would be better than what we have. And I don't think it is not an easy job to make 4 people agree on something like that. However, to think that at least 1 of the 4 would not have a decent judgement if it was not on purpose... I think that would be sad... But, MANY times we see someone saying, "if you don't give me the red/blue buff I will troll/AFK/feed" or "if you don't do this/that I will troll/AFK/feed" and the player really does that. Just for disagreeing on others' strategy, and it does not matter if we are winning, his/her will was not fulfilled so we "have to lose". If you report this player, I might be wrong, but my feeling is that NOTHING happens. I don't think one should get a few days ban for one offence like that. I think it would be **more reasonable and educative** to lose that match League Points or, if the team loses, perhaps they should lose 2x the value they would normally lose. (Remember that 4 players lost around 20 League Points for that behaviour)
The system would just mean that the guy who seemed to be the weakest would be spanked by the others even if the team won. The only way to protect yourself from that would be to play Duo. Solos would be at the receiving end of this new stick. And since that would be so, some of these seemingly weakest would work to ensure that the rest of the team won't get LPs either. I don't see any positive value in the suggested system, only drawbacks. - and if I may I point out; I am neutral in the matter, since I don't play ranked.
: Is Teemo Support Really Just Troll?
No, Teemo is a yordle, Trundle is a troll. There is a big difference. :) I think Teemo might work fine as support, but I am an ARAM only player, so what do I know?
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: True, I forgot about that, I just play ranked games, where you cannot party as 4. That should apply just for ranked matches.
Heh, and I don't play ranked, so I forgot that LPs are only in ranked. I guess we are even there. :) However, that doesn't remove the charismatic troll abuse case.
lpjPrød (NA)
: ARAM players
Yes, there are annoying things teammates do in ARAM (and other game modes as well), but there is one thing to remember; You cannot influence their behavior positively (other than a little bit by being polite/positive). Therefore if someone's behavior annoys you, you just have to learn to take it and play with what you got. After the match you report them, if you considered their behavior report worthy offense. Fyi; It is (slightly) more likely that the enemy team suffers from bad behavior than your own team, as long as you yourself try your hardest every time without giving up. Thus the balance is in your favor in this regard when playing this "braindead gamemode" (I almost stopped reading your post when I read that - I don't like people saying 'It is only ARAM'. Some of us play only that gamemode after all.) Never give up, (almost) never surrender! Charge! On your two bullet points: First one: Practically every player knows that ARAM dodges cause longer dodge penalty. Well, it would not hurt to have a tip about that. Second one: I guess you mean the people who just stand behind the tower/in a bush and do nothing. The system just takes time to recognize them being afk/disconnected. It would not be nice to have the automated system to force hidden Teemo for example to start walking back from behind the enemy team for example, while he is actually waiting for the right moment to strike, would it? (Not that I like like Teemos who do that, but some do and sometimes it works). Anyways, there is nothing to do here. The system must stay as it is due to that Teemo thingy for example.
: If ALL players from a team agree on that, I bet that player deserves it. It would discourage toxic players to keep being toxic. If you were toxic in a game and **ALL** your teammates agree on that, you get no points for the game if your team wins. If you don't agree with that, I would say there is a big chance you are a toxic player. Wanna soft the punishment, give just half of the LP then.
Even though I only play premade myself, I must say that your suggestion would give premade 4 member teams too big harassment/trolling tool against the one who isn't part of their group. And even without a premade group, people could be persuaded by a charismatic troll to punish a person who tries his best but is just unlucky. Sorry but nope, your suggestion isn't any good.
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