: Veigar and his passive....
Veigar's ap is merely a problem comparing to his aoe stun for eternity. Even if he just locks you inside it still gives him so much crowd control for such a long time.
DeusVult (NA)
: Patch 8.21
This nerf for Aurelion Sol is not that hard but I agree that it was kinda pointless. Zoe was weak and it was ten times better to play against her than against champions like lebronze or ahri. Honestly, looking at what they were doing in the previous patches, this one is not that bad.
DoomRPG (NA)
: If You Could Buff Any Champion You Wanted Without Restrictions...
I would buff ahri. Her R would have then 10 seconds cd and she would be banned in every game and because Riot could not change that (I guess these are the rules of the game) they would have to delete her from the game. Win win situation.
: Who the fuck thought it's a good idea for Jax to be strong the entire game?
Well, he has some weaknesses. He has no global spells, he can't defense from True damage unless they are aa and if you exhaust him he will be slowed for two seconds.
: Lets be honest its still 6 bans. Very few games do I not see both teams at least 4 of the same champs.
4 the same bans are still giving 8 bans and I have never seen a situation where 8 players would ban the same champion.
: Yeah, damage is a bit too high. No, assassins aren't the main problem.
Some days ago somebody has posted old lcs game I guess, or some pro plays with zed. It was from the zed botrk meta and he had like 1/2 of the damage of the nowadays zed. This might show that assasins didn't do as much damage, or at least zed didn't. Kha'zix is the problem on the solo que ( 51,4% win rate and top 3 pick rate in jungle) and he has more damage than he used to some time ago as he was considered even as a weak champion. I agree with tanks but they are broken in every meta so it is nothing new. However, I don't get the hate on pyke and gragas. Pyke should not have been buffed and maybe they should nerf his heal and revert buff imo a little but other than that he is fine. Gragas on the other hand is completly different in the past. He was not broken because of his damage but because of free heal from W plus free mana. Also his Q had like 100% AP ratio and could explode for full damage immediately plus his ult had 120% AP ratio so he had much more damage than now he has. I agree that LB and kassadin are broken again but riot loves them and their mains I guess.
Malak (NA)
: Mid vs Bot hypocrisy
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/middle/platinum Out of top 15 popular champions on mid only 3,5 are not mages, because I guess lebronze is somehow a mage. Irelia is just broken, it is not about her class being good on mid. Zed and Yasuo are just those flashy champions that people feel good to play with and they are always popular. But I agree that adc mains are crybabies.
ShadWooo (EUNE)
: Imo Yasuo can compete against them. But why would you play Yasuo who has especially in botlane high skill ceiling and very low tolerance to mistakes when you can play marksmen right? It is also question whether current pro play top tier picks in top/mid Urgot, Aatrox and Irelia couldn't be played in botlane as well. They probably aren't only because you need that marksman in other lane for all he provides to the team (fastest objective killers, best super minion cleaners, strongest teamfighters because they aren't gated by cooldowns).
"Low tolerance to mistakes"
Ifneth (NA)
: Just Won a Game Season 7 Style
This was the worst meta in the history of metas, maybe ever.
: Tell me again why Urgot is allowed such a loaded kit?
I mean, I have lost against him maybe once. His passive in Early game must be used to last hit minions and his Q has 10s cd, after he used it you can go all in aspecially in minions where his w is useless. Also it is impossible to get hit with his ult when you have flash or dash. Also his late game is not the best in the game I mean adc or apc with strong sustain damage can easly kill him. The same goes with those bruisers you have mantioned.
: Solo-lane experience versus Duo-lane experience
What the fuck, supports don't need buffs.
Lapis (OCE)
: Does changing ranked queues count as smurfing?
Mega Noob (EUNE)
: This disabled man is playing support role with his feets only :)
This is the ultimate show of how much skill you need to play support.
Tranoze (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Diana hole,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JKUlLxm9,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-06T17:43:15.849+0000) > > Sorry dude. Riot rarely balances the game around noobs like you. > > Why am I not surprised that the one that's complaining about master yi is in Silver? Riot rarely balances the game. Most of patch are buffing already balanced champions because they like them or nerfing already gutted champions.
I complain about master yi aswell and I am not a Silver player.
: Did you see her in the match yesterday? Wow, too bad.
I have not seen her for a while as you could have seen on op.gg if you had wanted to use this as an argument. However, I said that she is op, because that is the truth. She has no drawbacks and her kit is overloaded. Her win rate is extremly high and I realise that it could be due to her being an easy to play champion, but it is still over 53% win rate and over 10% pick rate. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/ahri/diamond I'm glad that they want to nerf her, even though this nerf won't make her much weaker and I'm sad only because of her fans, blindly claiming that she is ballanced or even weak.
: Durrrr F is for flash! Because im in kindergarten! God i hate that stupid fucking arguement. F is for flash... yeah well im an adult. I dont associate the first letter with the word and make sure they match up. Were not learning our fucking ABCs here. Get that kid shit outta here. I put flash on D. Fuck you get over it.
> [{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NpboTta8,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-10-05T01:44:38.313+0000) > > Durrrr F is for flash! Because im in kindergarten! God i hate that stupid fucking arguement. F is for flash... yeah well im an adult. I dont associate the first letter with the word and make sure they match up. Were not learning our fucking ABCs here. Get that kid shit outta here. I put flash on D. Fuck you get over it. Wtf is that rage about Flash on F. He just said the truth man, nothing to be mad about.
: Syndra should have Lux's ult-kill reset!
Yeah, cd reset on point and click spell taking almost full hp bar, this sounds like a good idea.
: To Riot about Ahri
Because she is op and she deserved nerf after being a champion with one of the highest win rates of all for years.
: Why are Ahri and Nami getting nerfed but not Graves/Lucian/Jhin/Kassadin/Jax etc.?
Those are good changes. Both Nami and Ahri deserved nerfs. However, they should nerf graves and kassadin aswell for sure.
: Tanks are actually punchingballs with the only utility to stun and to r ...
Tanks are op and with adcs are the most important role in team. In lcs they pick sometimes even 7 tanks in a game, so I guess they are not just a punchingball. Ornn, Maokai, poppy, Malphite, Gragas etc., they all have great damage with full tank builds, they are incredibly immune and have amazing utility on top of that. I don't get it, why do people keep saying that they are weak, when they have been the strongest class since I remember. Even riot says that bruisers counter tanks, so I don't understand your point at all. Fiora, Darius, Rumble and so on, they are literally made to deal with tanks.
: Why are you nerfing Nami, who has been balanced for so long, instead of buffing her counters?
Her win rate has been lastly at the level of 52-53% so how is that fine with 14% pick rate? https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/nami
Paroe (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Boost za Pranie,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Iyv83muT,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2018-10-03T05:48:20.299+0000) > > I hate CT, most of his projects should be deleted from the game imho. However, I like new Akali, this time he did a nice job. This is by far the hardest assasin to play with and the most ballanced I guess. I mean... Zoe needs some changes and Yasuos wind wall needs a rework, but a lot CT champions are purposefully kept overtuned by the balance team because theyre flashy and fun. Dont hate the chef, hate the line cook who purposefully over salts things.
Zoe is actually ballanced right now too but right after she showed up she was a nightmare. My problem with his champions is that they have lot of mechanics that they don't even need to use to be good. Also they often more require skill from their enemy than from their own player.
Paroe (NA)
: Can anyone ACTUALLY explain all the hate for Akali?
I hate CT, most of his projects should be deleted from the game imho. However, I like new Akali, this time he did a nice job. This is by far the hardest assasin to play with and the most ballanced I guess.
: Akali is completely and undeniably BROKEN
She is literally one of the most ballanced assasins right now and one of the most skill requiring. She has much slower and less burst than zed or lebronze, she has lower roam potential and is much harder to play.
Ahris (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LeBlanc Rose,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6yr4RX4b,comment-id=000a00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-01T23:38:59.701+0000) > > I agree, late game champs should be a risk. However, that doesn't mean, that early game champs should be favored heavily. Remember, winrate is the percentage of WINNING THE GAME. If early game champions are all 53%/54%/55%, why pick anything else? Games are decided by the early game. It is good to pick lategame champs if you dont want to fall off or have a comp that can stall games. Earlygame champs benefit from people surrendering early as well even if there is still chance to win. This is more about people's mindset than the champ being too strong.
That is totally bullshit, wtf. Ahri is great in the mid game and in the late game, she has low cd, great damage, burst and a hard cc. Also: Early-mid game champs Jayce 50,2% win rate Renekton 50,5% win rate Lee Sin 48,8% win rate Aatrox 48,9% win rate Caitlyn 49,3% win rate All are early and mid game champions and win rates are taken from lolalytics. Ahri is not an early game champion, she is just op and her kit is overloaded.
: Sending me a link to a blog post doesn't prove much, but _okay_. If people feel that something is unfair, then say people feel that something is unfair. Saying people would feel something is unfair is true while saying something is unfair, when it is not unfair, is not. The difference between the skill level of players is more dependent on the players and can't be described as "large" in every case. It's good that you understand though.
I send that because that was the first link in Google and there is a quote from Oxford Manual of Style. I don't have any books about using "" in English, so I had to use internet. If you find better source then good for you. Also maybe for me if I learn something new. Every my comment is something that is my opinion. The same is with yours, if you don't give me any proofs, I assume that you are just saying your opinion, I thought it was kind of logical. You are just picking holes in what I say (is that how you call it?) and no, I don't understand you. I haven't changed my mind I am saying the same thing in my every comment and I completly don't understand your problem with word "large".
: That's not how you use quotation marks, but that's not very important to the conversation at this point. It's very obvious that strong champs should have a clear advantage over weak champs in the current meta, but whether it is an actuality or not is up to the players. It 100% matters that you can play great with a weak champ because that's exactly when they will be better than someone that is average on an S tier champ. The advantage you gain from being better on your weak champ is up to you to push to victory through micro **AND** macro play before the other player on a stronger champ can gain/regain the advantage. Strong champs are only strong assuming you can use the advantage that you should have over the enemy or you are at least on the same level in the game. You also can't really use the word "unfair" because everyone has the chance to practice/pick S tier champs.
http://www.macmillandictionaryblog.com/the-emphatic-use-of-quotation-marks I guess I can use them this way, but as I see I should have used '...' instead of "..." to be more specific. I used them because in my language we use rather "" for sarcasm. I can use the word "unfair" because some people may feel and feel this way, because their favourite champions are not as strong as the rest of the champions in game. Still if you are playing weaker champion, you have to be much better than your enemy to have a chance to win. It is really typical for league to win because of strong picks and not because of skill, except situations when the difference between players skill is really large.
: I'm not really sure why you're putting quotes around "tryharding" and "being smart". Neither of use said that so there's no real basis to quote it. I said "smart enough" which you may think implies that they need to be smart, but it's actually just stating that it's dumb to complain about a problem with an obvious solution. This is just how the game works; you follow the meta and play something at least decent or be good enough at those "cool champions" to be able to play them when they aren't strong (which is definitely a possibility).
As far as I know, you can use those "" to show that you are using this word in sarcastic way. Also, correct me if I am wrong, but if people call something "tryharding" and I do not really feel like it describes this behaviour correctly, I can also use "". Game should be fun to play and some people like champions that are just weak right now, and people may feel unsatisfied when one of their favourite is in this group. I guess it is easier to try to ballance the game changing some numbers than to change what kind of champions you like. It doesn't matter that you can play great with a weak champion as you will never be as good as somebody that is average with the S tier champion and that it will be unfair.
: > [{quoted}](name=Boost za Pranie,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OEXmxKg5,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-09-29T07:55:12.268+0000) > > Unpopular opinion, but Darius will not be op after this buff. He was bursting everyone and could kill tanks easly anyway, do this doesn't change a thing. Unless they give him a dash or any other kind of mobility he will be able to play around. This buff was not bad, it was just useless and not necessary. > > I am not that sure about Pyke. > > Kha zix on the other hand should be nerfed, not buffed and that was wrong. I get what you mean but its not even about them becoming OP its just theres literally no reason for them to be buffed if a champion is in a healthy spot you leave it alone if a champion is strong you dont do anything leave it alone or nerf it there is no situation where buffing a strong champion or a healthy champion does any good for the game itself
I know buddy, I agree with the statement that this patch sucks.
: Dont't Fix Shit That Aint Broken
Unpopular opinion, but Darius will not be op after this buff. He was bursting everyone and could kill tanks easly anyway, do this doesn't change a thing. Unless they give him a dash or any other kind of mobility he will be able to play around. This buff was not bad, it was just useless and not necessary. I am not that sure about Pyke. Kha zix on the other hand should be nerfed, not buffed and that was wrong.
: I hate supporting atm, shit is aids. I got 3 mains, one got gutted {{champion:223}} , the other one got nerf cause pro-play {{champion:201}}, and the last one got buffed for to be seen in pro-play and is perma picked or ban{{champion:412}}. Ima just learn new role ultil season is over cause im done support, and lets not forget next patch when stupid fuking hiemer skin drops he is gonna become popular choice bot. Riot makes really fuking garbage decisions, fuk LCS litterally ruins half the roster and for what. To put a stupid mirage showing that the game is high speed action blah blah blah.
Braum was nerfed because he was op. And btw he is still very strong right now.
: ya know, when someone gets fed....
Why anyone would think they are good? They are your enemies, they are bad just because of that and your teammates are just worse, that's what our brain wants to think and so it thinks this way. In psychology there is a statement that it is good to blame invisible forces like "bad luck" for your mistakes. You will learn from this mistake anyway and you will be able to sleep calmly at night, being sure that it is not your fault. I guess it is simillar with saying that enemies are lucky or just less bad than your teammates, but not good.
: I feel you, i main {{champion:101}} and right now it's really hard to do something before getting like 2-3 items while playing agains't champs who get ahead real fast and smash you to the ground before you can do anything, he just doesn't feel as good as he used to
He is still very strong tho and very safe pick.
: "Exploiting" seems like a strong word. They're just smart enough to learn and play champs that are more into the meta at the moment rather than one-tricking something and complaining about losing.
Yeah, they are Smart enough. They probably need like 200 IQ to type "lol tier list" in Google and pick a champion from S tier. It is not like there are people who like to play cool champions and are sad that these champions are weaker, and people who want only to win. I am not trying to criticize any of these behaviours but I would not connect "tryharding" with "being smart".
Lapis (OCE)
: What's the hardest skillshot to land?
To cast very good it's rumble ult, aspecially in lower elo and when needed fast. When you are 1v1 playing Xerath, try to hit his ultimate when enemy is expecting it and running with low hp. In average situation and without minions I would say it's ziggs Q.
: > [{quoted}](name=Boost za Pranie,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TGe2Bb6o,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2018-09-27T09:12:29.513+0000) > > Taliyah? Seriously? Yup, at least, ever since they have been tweaking her for pros.
> [{quoted}](name=Mokuto Bunshi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TGe2Bb6o,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-27T11:59:57.542+0000) > > Yup, at least, ever since they have been tweaking her for pros. 53% win rate and almost 9% pick rate is bad champion? https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/taliyah/diamond Even in other divisions and on the different sites she is at least strong. She is great jungler right now, aspecially in high elo.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wacky9,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TGe2Bb6o,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-09-26T21:26:57.700+0000) > > Poor Tahm... > All he wants is to be able to be played but soon he's going to be Ryze 2.0 5.0, hes got {{champion:3}} {{champion:163}} and {{champion:429}} in front of him in line :P
> [{quoted}](name=Mokuto Bunshi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=TGe2Bb6o,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-09-26T23:11:00.670+0000) > > 5.0, > > hes got {{champion:3}} {{champion:163}} and {{champion:429}} in front of him in line :P Taliyah? Seriously?
: Irealia and Graves aren't a problem in solo q.
Graves with 22,6% pick rate and 51,6% win rate aaand 35% ban rate is not a problem? Then I wonder which champ is a problem.
: I literally just proved Garen and Zed aren't even OP in solo queue. If you aren't above 10% pickrate, you most likely aren't OP.
How 53% win rate with 18% pick rate and 51,5% win rate, 8,7% pick rate on a champion, that is considered as very hard, is something not op for you? He has less than 10% maybe because he is banned in almost half of the games?
: https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/champion/Garen/ 50.08% winrate. 5.47% winrate. No competitive play. https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/champion/Zed/ 51.47% winrate. 8.73% winrate. No competitive play. https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/champion/Jax/ He's good in solo queue but sees no competitive play. So, even you want to call Jax a 'problem' despite having no competitive play, Garen isn't strong (average at best) and Zed is simply above average.
They are op in solo que, I guess that should be enough to nerf them. Correct me if I am wrong.
: > [{quoted}](name=CGHCGH,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tLAa7ili,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2018-09-21T05:20:31.352+0000) > > Laughs in {{champion:42}} He primarily deals AD items, despite the fact that he deals mixed damage.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tLAa7ili,comment-id=000000030000,timestamp=2018-09-21T05:32:23.031+0000) > > He primarily deals AD items, despite the fact that he deals mixed damage. He deals ap damage, not mixed.
: What do you know, Ahri back up to highest playrate AND winrate midlane in Plat+
53% win rate, 11% pick rate leagueofgraphs 52,70% win rate, 6,22% pick rate champion.gg 54,3% win rate, 13,3% win rate lolalytics But this champion is fine. I have seen someone on boards saying that her win rate is fine and she has it only because of her high pick rate. That's how people playing her understand the world, no wonder she has to be that easy to play.
: Assassins literally kill me in a second and I get no chance to respond. No matter what skill you are this will always be the case. Swains ult should save him, not kill him. being is only survival tool, it is the most pathetic ult in the game. Like it is a joke ult not meant to be good. Mages are feeders nowadays, not bursters. As for my argument being invalid it is not invalid. Assassins are the most broken class in the game, and there is no way to combat against them. CC won't work because the ekko will just revert time. katarina will just jump away, and zed will just swap places with his ult shadow. your kind is a trump wall. Using irrelevant logic to stop buff suggestions on the forums that doesn't apply at all. "bad items" i was using pro items. "bad runes" using highest win rate runes. "don't know how to use him" wtf even is that. Every champion in this game is brain dead tactics. Difference being assassins are actually effective. Everything else they nerfed so they consistently do bad because there is no learning curve to the champ so you cannot get around these nerfs with skill. You are stuck with what riot gives you. It is not fun to think about playing mages, because I know i will just get camped then be stuck for 45 minutes of slaughter with no chance to fight back as mages have no strengths just weaknesses. I cannot farm because I get camped. Then people say I had bad cs. than I am thinking. HOW THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO CS IF MASTER YI IS ALWAYS IN MY BUSHES GETTING MORE CS IS JUST NOT POSSIBLE WITH THESE CHAMPS. Plan and simple I know more about moba logic than you no doubt about it.
By "your argument is invalid" I meant that you have claimed that boards would be happy if Rito nerfed ryze more but while they did nerf him and sejuani, people on boards were mad about that. Swain is good wtf. He is a kinda bruiser and he deals nice damage and is pretty tanky. Ekko is a mage/assasin but he has easy to dodge skill shots and has a pretty ballanced damage. That is the worst argument that you could use. I understand zed, I would understand rengar, kha'zix, even talon, but ekko? Mages have great damage, great range and CCs, what do you need more? Veigar is great right now, Ahri is broken as always, lux has great pick rate and win rate, anivia and karthus are op in late game as always. Literally almost every mage has at least good win rate.
: Only assassins are viable. New player plays an assassin, and could beat anyone with ease. even faker
What the heck. Zyra is op, aspecially in late game. Win rate doesn't mean champion is weak or strong. It can be also hard or very popular, in ryze case it is the first option. Boards are always crying about sejuani nerfs, ryze nerfs and so on so your argument is totally invalid. If you nerf a champion, you consider it too op or too easy to play, so after that you probably don't want to compensate this nerf because the champion is weaker than it was. That is the point of the nerf. And if you like win rates so much, then look at zyra with her over 51% win rate, same with yorick. Aatrox might be weak, idk, I haven't played him since his rework. Finally, assasins are in my opinion one of the most ballanced class in the game. They literally kill one champion and that's their job. Unless assasin is extremly fed or you play extremly bad, assasin will not kill you in a second and your team has Time to heal you or to cc him. The only assasin that deserves nerfs is zed imho.
I think this system is fine. You have the same chance to get autofilled player as your enemy and queues are faster. Plus you have autofill protected option so It is a good compromise imho. However, I like playing on every lane so I can be not objective.
Chalizard (EUNE)
: I would delete tanks.
Just kidding. I would delete supports.
: If you had the chance to design a Class Update...
: I play whatever I know is good. For instance a good botlaner is Kai'sa. I play kai'sa because she is horribly fucking designed. You can't balance ap with ad in same kit. good example is corki either being busted or just bad. For Jungle I play whatever I feel like since I don't main it, but the ones who stand out are those who are good at 1v1ing and are fast clearing. Examples being graves and xinzhao.
Corki was pretty fine and he is just average now. I am pretty sure that her shield for full hp and invisibility during teamfights are much more cancerous than ap damage.
: before it was 1 or 2 champs with a particular ability that was op now it's every champion with every ability being a blink, %hp dmg, true dmg, %dmg amp, AS steroid, invisibility and a "unique" mechanic that no other champion in the game has
Win rates now are closer to 50% for all champions than it used to be, there were always meta in which some champions were op and some were weak, just like it is now. Armor pene meta? Jax, Darius, Master, Shen, Malphite, Blitzcrank, Kassadin, Leblanc in season 3 I guess were also 1 or 2 champions? And those are the champions I remember, I bet if we went back in time to this season and played some games, we would find out that this game was as unballanced as it is now.
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