: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=F2x6hjUp,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-22T00:15:54.664+0000) > > Based on what KFCeytron said > > It doesnt sound like current csgo OW at all. Unless it also gave you an ability to watch a game replay that is. > > I will kindly ask you to piss off with that passive-aggressive behaviour. Ik you dont like when people are disobeying League's system but calm the fuck down boy. Also based on what I said, A) people didn't want to spend more than a minute or two per case and yet B) there was a huge backlog. Do you think having people watch an entire match before making a decision would help either of these problems?
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=F2x6hjUp,comment-id=00030000000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-22T00:22:31.804+0000) > > Also based on what I said, A) people didn't want to spend more than a minute or two per case and yet B) there was a huge backlog. Do you think having people watch an entire match before making a decision would help either of these problems? But it wouldnt be a whole match. Watch the vid I linked above to get the better idea about it.
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> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=F2x6hjUp,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-22T00:19:12.177+0000) > > Lol...can't handle when people don't agree with you, so you result to middle-school insults? No im just telling you to not be passive-agressive, thats all. I simply asked you a question and you replied like I pissed you off or something.
: League needs an overwatch system
I personally agree with this. I used OW myself and while it is sometimes clunky to use, it does its job. The only issue is that idk how can riot ensure that players wont abuse it. Other than that I dont see any reason to not implement it. In case some1 doesnt know how OW looks like watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDE0JRHRntU
: > TLDR: League needs third-party players to judge the toxicity. This system is proven, simple and effective. We had this. It was not simple. It was not proven. It was not effective.
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=F2x6hjUp,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-09-21T23:56:31.603+0000) > > We had this. It was not simple. It was not proven. It was not effective. The how come it works in another game? :thinkingemoji:
: black coffee is somehow 10000x better iced
If only you posted this at the start of summer, its getting kinda cold outside for that now xD
Pika Fox (NA)
: That would immediately be met with a report from me. And if you think im not going to be tilted as fuck and inadvertantly play like shit, youre wrong.
> [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OrPh8VLv,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-09-20T19:38:37.412+0000) > > That would immediately be met with a report from me. And if you think im not going to be tilted as fuck and inadvertantly play like shit, youre wrong. Bans > hovered pick And arent you the one who supported this kind of stuff whenever it's brought up?
: > > I dont have to. I already have a lil bit under 1k hours in csgo. And keep in mind that game doesnt punish toxicity. And I had rly good experiences overall. A game with higher system requirements will probably tend to select for a higher caliber of player and more serious gamers.
> [{quoted}](name=True Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6EO3FsmO,comment-id=00040000000100000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-21T18:28:53.875+0000) > > A game with higher system requirements will probably tend to select for a higher caliber of player and more serious gamers. If you find underage russian kids "higher caliber of player and more serious gamers" then idk what to tell you xd
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6EO3FsmO,comment-id=00040000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-21T16:49:25.451+0000) > > A skill that can be used for toxicity, same as VC. > A skill that can be ignored and/or not used, same as VC. > Its a way to communicate, same as VC. > But VC is faster and the messasge you wanna send is more clear than using pings. > > So pings have the same pros and cons as VC, and yet youre only against VC, which logically makes no sense. I didn't say a word about toxicity. I said that if VC was implemented then using VC would become obligatory because it is so strong that a team that didn't use it would have a disadvantage. That means that players would be required to have equipment that could use it AND ALSO be comfortable expressing themselves and especially following a conversation in the server dominant language. Then you mentioned pings. Well. originally, pings were optional. And, technically, they still are, but even pings are so important that if a player doesn't use pings, then he probably, situationally, puts his team at a disadvantage. (If Riot could figure out a game metric that fairly measured good usage of pings, then I believe that they probably would.) Everybody needs to ping. And if VC was implemented in Soloq, then everybody would need to participate. > > Headphones exist. And dont tell me you cant afford some cheap headphones cuz if u have money for a PC,keyboard,mouse and a stable internet connection you definitely have money for headset. > I would tend to agree with you. I'm telling you that I used to walk players through all of this in pre-game lobby, before they even added the premade VC. And I would say, hey, just get the handsfree from your phone and plug it into your computer... Nevertheless, some people insist that they don't have. However, besides that, a bigger issue is that using LoL VC has a negative effect on fps, and this is significant on many computers that otherwise play LoL just fine. (Whereas, a 3rd party can be used on mobile phone, and doesn't affect fps.) > Yes, in circles. No matter what excuse you use, the matter of fact is that VC is being used in most of competitive games, such as csgo, ow, dota, etc. and it works just fine. But LoL is a lot bigger than all of those. One of the main understated reasons why LoL is so popular, is that it can be played on ANY system. You don't even need a graphics card. For a lot of people this is their only game, because this is literally the only game (one of the very few) that they can play. The VC that is currently in the game for pre-mades, is actually bad. That's what I'm telling you. It's buggy. It works fine for a lot of people, I'm sure, but after every patch where they upgraded it last year, people were complaining about low fps and lag, and i said, DISCONNECT FROM LOL VC AND ALSO MUTE YOUR MIC IN LOL VC, and then, they were able to play. This still happens, many players do not even have the VC icon appear on the bottom of their screen in-game. > > The problem with the League community is that riot made them feel like special kids who cant do no wrong nor can be called out for doing something wrong. > I mean ffs we came to the point where saying "ggez" is considered toxic...like, wtf? If some1 told me it will be considered toxic back when I was a 15 y/o twat I would find it funny, let alone toxic. Now when im fucking 21 Im just baffled...im wondering if im the one insane here for thinking thats no big deal. > The community was sheltered from any kind of negativity for too long. Giving them VC would expose them to negative criticism, which this sheltered community wouldnt be able to handle, which is quite sad. > > Unless riot's VC is so shit that it affect internet connection this argument holds no value. My feeling is that if VC were a reality then it would negate as much toxicity as it could ever possibly create. So many problems are resulting from misunderstandings that would become apparent in real conversation. The more that I think about it, I'm convinced that the main issue is actually about inequality and fairness in play. As an experiment, you should try doing for a month or two, what I been doing for two years, about offering public Discord to your random team. And see if you don't agree with my impression, after a couple months of this.
> [{quoted}](name=True Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6EO3FsmO,comment-id=000400000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-21T17:32:59.069+0000) > > I didn't say a word about toxicity. I said that if VC was implemented then using VC would become obligatory because it is so strong that a team that didn't use it would have a disadvantage. That means that players would be required to have equipment that could use it AND ALSO be comfortable expressing themselves and especially following a conversation in the server dominant language. > Again, a lot of people have at least a headphones, mic is optional. As long as I have a teammates that can listen to my calls through VC thats fine. And you dont need to have some language knowledge to communicate. If I can communicate with russian 14-yr olds just fine, I dont think League players will have an issue. > Then you mentioned pings. Youre the one who said oinging is considered a skill so ye. > Everybody needs to ping. And if VC was implemented in Soloq, then everybody would need to participate. Preferably yes. > Nevertheless, some people insist that they don't have. However, besides that, a bigger issue is that using LoL VC has a negative effect on fps, and this is significant on many computers that otherwise play LoL just fine. (Whereas, a 3rd party can be used on mobile phone, and doesn't affect fps.) I didnt hear about that at all. But thas just riot being incompetent. That doesnt mean VC is a bad idea, riot just needs to be competent. > But LoL is a lot bigger than all of those. One of the main understated reasons why LoL is so popular, is that it can be played on ANY system. You don't even need a graphics card. For a lot of people this is their only game, because this is literally the only game (one of the very few) that they can play. So because it's popular it doesnt need new features? -.- And VC has no effect on performance. If it does, its riots fault. LoL being bigger means shit when csgo is way more competitive even at the lowest lvl of play than LoL will ever be. And thats because of VC. > The VC that is currently in the game for pre-mades, is actually bad. That's what I'm telling you. It's buggy. It works fine for a lot of people, I'm sure, but after every patch where they upgraded it last year, people were complaining about low fps and lag, and i said, DISCONNECT FROM LOL VC AND ALSO MUTE YOUR MIC IN LOL VC, and then, they were able to play. This still happens, many players do not even have the VC icon appear on the bottom of their screen in-game. And thats riots fault, not VC's problem. > My feeling is that if VC were a reality then it would negate as much toxicity as it could ever possibly create. So many problems are resulting from misunderstandings that would become apparent in real conversation. The more that I think about it, I'm convinced that the main issue is actually about inequality and fairness in play. By that logic VC wouldnt work in other games, and yet it does. > As an experiment, you should try doing for a month or two, what I been doing for two years, about offering public Discord to your random team. And see if you don't agree with my impression, after a couple months of this. I dont have to. I already have a lil bit under 1k hours in csgo. And keep in mind that game doesnt punish toxicity. And I had rly good experiences overall.
Mythrandill (EUNE)
: Today on "What boards complain about" Episode 5
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6EO3FsmO,comment-id=000400000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-21T15:31:51.607+0000) > > The same can be asked for regular chat and pings. Some players dont use it at all. By that logic we should get rid of chat and pings, since some people dont use it and can be used for toxic purposes. > > And saying some players wouldnt use it doesnt deny the fact its a better form of communication than chat or pings. > > And it's not like you cant utilize VC AT ALL. Even if you dont have a mic I assume every1 plays league with sounds turned on. So you can simply hop on voice, and listen to your teams callouts while youre responding in chat or in pings. > > A lil bit scuffed but it does the job. Not really, though, because we have come to the point where pinging is considered a game skill. It's almost like warding. (I think that you made an argument for my side.) (Team gets mad if you don't ping "enemy missing" etc) So, my experience is, that some players tell me that they can't play with audio, because it's late at night, they have people around/over. You see where this is going? I'm relieved if I can just get through a whole match where nobody afk or dc or had terrible lag etc.... Adding VC means adding another critical factor for ten randoms to somehow conform.
> [{quoted}](name=True Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6EO3FsmO,comment-id=0004000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-21T15:43:38.345+0000) > >Not really, though, because we have come to the point where pinging is considered a game skill. It's almost like warding. (I think that you made an argument for my side.) (Team gets mad if you don't ping "enemy missing" etc) A skill that can be used for toxicity, same as VC. A skill that can be ignored and/or not used, same as VC. Its a way to communicate, same as VC. But VC is faster and the messasge you wanna send is more clear than using pings. So pings have the same pros and cons as VC, and yet youre only against VC, which logically makes no sense. > So, my experience is, that some players tell me that they can't play with audio, because it's late at night, they have people around/over. Headphones exist. And dont tell me you cant afford some cheap headphones cuz if u have money for a PC,keyboard,mouse and a stable internet connection you definitely have money for headset. > You see where this is going? Yes, in circles. No matter what excuse you use, the matter of fact is that VC is being used in most of competitive games, such as csgo, ow, dota, etc. and it works just fine. The problem with the League community is that riot made them feel like special kids who cant do no wrong nor can be called out for doing something wrong. I mean ffs we came to the point where saying "ggez" is considered toxic...like, wtf? If some1 told me it will be considered toxic back when I was a 15 y/o twat I would find it funny, let alone toxic. Now when im fucking 21 Im just baffled...im wondering if im the one insane here for thinking thats no big deal. The community was sheltered from any kind of negativity for too long. Giving them VC would expose them to negative criticism, which this sheltered community wouldnt be able to handle, which is quite sad. > I'm relieved if I can just get through a whole match where nobody afk or dc or had terrible lag etc.... Adding VC means adding another critical factor for ten randoms to somehow conform. Unless riot's VC is so shit that it affect internet connection this argument holds no value.
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6EO3FsmO,comment-id=0004000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-21T15:01:09.617+0000) > > But those things arent that common. > So is it rly okay to not implement VC for SoloQ, the most efficient strategic feature, simply because you will have some bad experiences here and there, despite being able to opt out of it? I wasn't going to pursue this, but now I have to. How can VC for SoloQ be "the most efficient strategic feature" and at the same time, not be unfair to players on teams that can't or don't utilize it?
> [{quoted}](name=True Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6EO3FsmO,comment-id=00040000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-21T15:11:07.316+0000) > > I wasn't going to pursue this, but now I have to. > > How can VC for SoloQ be "the most efficient strategic feature" and at the same time, not be unfair to players on teams that can't or don't utilize it? The same can be asked for regular chat and pings. Some players dont use it at all. By that logic we should get rid of chat and pings, since some people dont use it and can be used for toxic purposes. And saying some players wouldnt use it doesnt deny the fact its a better form of communication than chat or pings. And it's not like you cant utilize VC AT ALL. Even if you dont have a mic I assume every1 plays league with sounds turned on. So you can simply hop on voice, and listen to your teams callouts while youre responding in chat or in pings. A lil bit scuffed but it does the job.
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6EO3FsmO,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-09-21T13:51:54.793+0000) > > It's no a problem in csgo, so idk why it should be an issue here. > > No it wouldnt not be like flex. > And its kinda bold of you to say "nobody would like it". Just because you dont like it doesnt mean no1 else wouldnt like it. > > Who're "we"? > People who're looking for anything to use as an excuse for not climbing? > > Not at all. I'm not sure that the reality of whether or not it would be good is the only salient factor. I think that many players share the PERCEPTION that this is what would happen. You (not necessarily YOU personally) wanted to know why people don't want it, if they could just mute it. I think that this is the reason why they don't want it.
> [{quoted}](name=True Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6EO3FsmO,comment-id=000400000001,timestamp=2019-09-21T14:14:50.658+0000) > > I'm not sure that the reality of whether or not it would be good is the only salient factor. > > I think that many players share the PERCEPTION that this is what would happen. You (not necessarily YOU personally) wanted to know why people don't want it, if they could just mute it. I think that this is the reason why they don't want it. Just because some players dont want it doesnt mean it wouldnt be a good feature. Why do i think it would be good feature? because this is a team game, and one of important factors in such games is communication. And whats the most efficient way to communicate? Voice chat, because it takes less time to say something than to type it, and it's not one-dimensional like pings. Would there be some toxic lads in VC? Yes. Would there be some players with shitty mic/no mid? Yes. But those things arent that common. So is it rly okay to not implement VC for SoloQ, the most efficient strategic feature, simply because you will have some bad experiences here and there, despite being able to opt out of it?
: Another issue might be: voice chat is actually a big advantage, if one side has it, and the other doesn't. Whereas, text chat is not such a big advantage, and could even be considered a disadvantage, and the information can almost always be communicated by pings, voice chat allows for more complicated ideas to be expressed. If VC became a feature of soloq, then a mic, which was never required equipment for this game, pretty much becomes obligatory. The game is designed to run serviceably on primitive equipment. Even now, it may be seen the VC that IS implemented, has a noticeable resource cost. League can be played now, without audio, with relatively little impact on gameplay. With VC implementation, that would no longer be the case. Many players would also find it a practical difficulty, not being fluent in English verbally, even if they can follow text chat. Real Verbal communication skills, currently not a requirement for this game, would become relevant. We don't even want DUOS in soloq. Voice Chat would introduce all kinds of random imbalance equivalent almost like having flex and soloq combined into one queue. Everybody would feel the impact, and nobody would like it. (Riot LIKES frustrating imbalance, but they actually only want it when they can control it.) I think that this is probably the bigger, main reason. VC would have the effect of turning soloq into a less (!) balanced version of flex. The policing issues is probably solvable. But the basic unfairness that VC would add, is probably not.
> [{quoted}](name=True Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6EO3FsmO,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-09-21T13:46:32.498+0000) > > Many players would also find it a practical difficulty, not being fluent in English verbally, even if they can follow text chat. It's no a problem in csgo, so idk why it should be an issue here. > Voice Chat would introduce all kinds of imbalance equivalent almost to having flex and soloq combined into one queue. Everybody would feel the impact, and nobody would like it. No it wouldnt not be like flex. And its kinda bold of you to say "nobody would like it". Just because you dont like it doesnt mean no1 else wouldnt like it. > We don't even want DUOS in soloq. Who're "we"? People who're looking for anything to use as an excuse for not climbing? > I think that this is probably the bigger, main reason. VC would have the effect of turning soloq into a less (!) balanced version of flex. Not at all.
Saezio (EUNE)
: Then why don't you simply keep it off? Why does it even bother you?
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6EO3FsmO,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-09-21T12:36:17.293+0000) > > Then why don't you simply keep it off? Why does it even bother you? Because League players would rather avoid mean words than having a feature that can give you a major strategic boost, aka, the voice chat. As some1 who has almost 1k hours in csgo there are some fight in VC but they're either very mild or if it escalates just mute the person and thats it. And they're not that common, at least when youre in average/high Trust factor. It's way more frustrating when your teammates dont talk in VC.
: @Riot: petition to improve matchmaking for silver bracket
It's even worse when you get fresh lvl 30's in your game while youre g4 xD I had 3 games in a row where I played with legit new players. Ofc they were dead weight. Ofc I lost all 3 of them.
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=000200090000,timestamp=2019-09-20T10:46:43.768+0000) > > You can build {{item:3194}} {{item:3096}} {{item:3097}} {{item:3077}} {{item:3074}} {{item:3748}} {{item:3211}} {{item:3512}} {{item:3056}} {{item:3065}} {{item:3083}} {{item:3107}} {{item:3800}} {{item:2053}} > > Money's tight these days man :/ Spirit Visage and Cloak do not use it. P.S. I know you're trolling :p
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=0002000900000000,timestamp=2019-09-20T16:10:38.576+0000) > > Spirit Visage and Cloak do not use it. > > P.S. I know you're trolling :p Oh shit, Im busted :o Dont report me for trolling ples im a good boi {{sticker:sg-soraka}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-19T10:17:39.238+0000) > > Well it just takes time for system to catch up. > Move on. > Do you expect riot to have a crystal ball to know when some1 is going to troll? > Maybe he just had a streak of bad games. > Off-meta isnt punishable. > > /s Did you even look at his purchases? {{item:1006}} {{item:1006}} {{item:1006}} {{item:1006}} {{item:1006}} {{item:1006}} Unlike {{item:1004}} , what can you build that into? Furthermore, he never bought any of them in ANY of the games.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=00020009,timestamp=2019-09-20T10:38:59.448+0000) > > Did you even look at his purchases? > > {{item:1006}} {{item:1006}} {{item:1006}} {{item:1006}} {{item:1006}} {{item:1006}} > > Unlike {{item:1004}} , what can you build that into? You can build {{item:3194}} {{item:3096}} {{item:3097}} {{item:3077}} {{item:3074}} {{item:3748}} {{item:3211}} {{item:3512}} {{item:3056}} {{item:3065}} {{item:3083}} {{item:3107}} {{item:3800}} {{item:2053}} > Furthermore, he never bought any of them in ANY of the games. Money's tight these days man :/
Moody P (NA)
: how many people who think build diversity sucks are actually trying to find it
The thing is, champs you named can be diverse because of their designs. Morde and Shy have no mana + their natural tankiness allows you to choose between more dps or more tankiness. Voli and Illaoi are also tanky and have a lot of sustain, which again, allows you to branch out your build and rune choice. On the other hand, have you ever seen any ad assassin going anything else other than lethality, thats on par with their classic build? Have you ever seen an adc like trist being able to go anything else other than a classic marksman build thats as strong as the regular build? And granted both cases are diverse buils that're being taken on a regular basis. And im not talking about changing 1-2 items/runes, im talking about a completely different build/rune setup.
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-19T10:17:39.238+0000) > > Well it just takes time for system to catch up. > Move on. > Do you expect riot to have a crystal ball to know when some1 is going to troll? > Maybe he just had a streak of bad games. > Off-meta isnt punishable. > > /s That isn't how the system works.
> [{quoted}](name=Pandemic Punch,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=00020008,timestamp=2019-09-20T08:56:58.641+0000) > > That isn't how the system works. dafuq you know how the system works? I'll have you know that Riot Tantram is actually my cousin and he gave me in-depth info on how the system works. You just need to bribe him with a bottle of Honey Jack D. But ughhh, if we drank some more we would go Alabama 100 on each other.
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=000200060000,timestamp=2019-09-19T21:38:31.537+0000) > > As some1 who will one day replace Mrc Mrll aka Rito Tryndamemer, I understand riot corp. needs more evidence to prove that this person is indeed going out of his way to make the game unpleasant for his teammates. > /s This person is obviously innocent tho, I mean his KDA isn't too bad, I've seen tryharding bronze yasou's with worse KDA's, and that build is obviously made to counter poke, so it's obviously high quality. /s just learnt that /s meant sarcasm LOL.
> [{quoted}](name=Magnesium14,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=0002000600000000,timestamp=2019-09-20T02:22:12.535+0000) > > This person is obviously innocent tho, I mean his KDA isn't too bad, I've seen tryharding bronze yasou's with worse KDA's, and that build is obviously made to counter poke, so it's obviously high quality. > /s > just learnt that /s meant sarcasm LOL. We need LS on this one, he could explain us the intellect behind this build.
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-19T10:17:39.238+0000) > > Well it just takes time for system to catch up. > Move on. > Do you expect riot to have a crystal ball to know when some1 is going to troll? > Maybe he just had a streak of bad games. > Off-meta isnt punishable. > > /s 6 beads is a very unusual off meta.
> [{quoted}](name=Inkling Commando,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=00020007,timestamp=2019-09-20T00:41:00.525+0000) > > 6 beads is a very unusual off meta. Well as i said he's probably like my ex-gf, loves to have beads in his....inventory.
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-19T10:17:39.238+0000) > > Well it just takes time for system to catch up. > Move on. > Do you expect riot to have a crystal ball to know when some1 is going to troll? > Maybe he just had a streak of bad games. > Off-meta isnt punishable. > > /s Do you seriously believe this person is innocent No offense that's just sad.
> [{quoted}](name=Magnesium14,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=00020006,timestamp=2019-09-19T20:43:17.488+0000) > > Do you seriously believe this person is innocent > No offense that's just sad. As some1 who will one day replace Mrc Mrll aka Rito Tryndamemer, I understand riot corp. needs more evidence to prove that this person is indeed going out of his way to make the game unpleasant for his teammates. /s
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-19T10:17:39.238+0000) > > Well it just takes time for system to catch up. > Move on. > Do you expect riot to have a crystal ball to know when some1 is going to troll? > Maybe he just had a streak of bad games. > Off-meta isnt punishable. > > /s It takes time u say? Don t you think he was reported billion times by now? And yet he s still there playing the game(I mean ruining more games). What is RIOT s system doing with those reports? If someone flamed him he would get insta chat restriction or worse.For flaming it works but for inting apparently it s turned off. Maybe RIOT should hire a Computer Science student I m confident he would build a much better system than this spaghetti code they have atm.
> [{quoted}](name=LostInTheDark07,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=00020004,timestamp=2019-09-19T17:36:01.449+0000) > > It takes time u say? Don t you think he was reported billion times by now? And yet he s still there playing the game(I mean ruining more games). What is RIOT s system doing with those reports? If someone flamed him he would get insta chat restriction or worse.For flaming it works but for inting apparently it s turned off. Maybe RIOT should hire a Computer Science student I m confident he would build a much better system than this spaghetti code they have atm. FYI im being sarcastic, when it comes to inting the system is fucking dogshit. Bit I complained about it so much I rly see no point, so im just mocking them for that at this point ^^
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-19T10:17:39.238+0000) > > Well it just takes time for system to catch up. > Move on. > Do you expect riot to have a crystal ball to know when some1 is going to troll? > Maybe he just had a streak of bad games. > Off-meta isnt punishable. > > /s 3 days. That's plenty of time.
> [{quoted}](name=warhawk36,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=00020003,timestamp=2019-09-19T15:56:02.380+0000) > > 3 days. That's plenty of time. Only? Thats too little time for riot. Even with this images, they need to gather more evidence. I mean, as some1 who will buy out the entire Riot Corp. I'm thinking as one right now. As a young entrepreneur who already owns 2 construction companies in Ukraine it's important for me to take a dive into Riot's mind. And when I see this images, I think to myself: "Did he have a streak of bad games?" " Maybe je wanted to play off-meta." "Maybe he missclicked his runes and summs." "Maybe every item except {{item:1006}} was disabled for purchase." Indeed we need to have a more in-depth investigation that should take at least 3 months to be 100% sure he's not innocent. /s
Midg3t (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Horse Grenades ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=000900000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-18T17:14:31.623+0000) > > You're clearly a Pyke player, and thats fine, but his kit is overloaded. No i idnt play pyke for a long time now, I mostly play Leona and Naut. And no his kit is not overloaded, its just that season 9 players dont want to learn the game. You know whats overloaded? When a champ has stuff in its kit that makes no sense gameplay wise. Example: Yasuo having double crit and shield he gets by walking and him getting 50% armor pen and a full shield. There is no logical reason from the gameplay perspective to give him those things. Pyke getting extra gold on ult kill makes sense. Imagine if we completely removed Cut from his ult. He could still execute enemies but there would be a few problems: 1. Teammates that actually need kills wouldnt get that extra gold from letting Pyke a kill 2. Wouldnt get enough gold to buy items he needs, which are usually meant for solo lanes, which are more expensive 3. He doesnt benefit much from regular supp items because none of them give extra ad, and he cant get extra HP from items. 4. Technically speaking it would be pointless to allow pyke to kill enemies with his ult. Which is why he needs that extra gold from ulti. It's what makes him useful as a support. Wanna get rid of that? Okay then, but give him back his waveclear. Otherwise there would be no point in picking him. > So because I don't play a lot of ranked I can't want a balanced game? I still play it, but the whole point is i WANT to enjoy it. And thats the problem. You want to enjoy the game. Enjoyment is subjective. If you put enjoyment/fun in front of balance you will have champs like TK being completely gutted even when he was already weak as a support because casual player want to have fun by taking anything they want and brute force the laning phase and win every time. Which is something TK didnt allow because of his kit and how riot changed him to be good at fighting. And despite TK being able to be countered, because top laners didnt "enjoy" playing vs him, riot gutted him even more. Because of this, he's now a dead champ. If you think gutting champs to the point they're a troll pick is "balance", then you know shit about balance. All in all you dont want balance, you want to "enjoy the game" YOUR WAY, without considering how would that actually affect the champ. And because riot listened people like you we're now in this damage burst meta.
> [{quoted}](name=Horse Grenades ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=00090000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-19T15:24:42.903+0000) > > Wanting balance=/=wanting to enjoy the game only my way And because of that we're now in this shithole known as season 9. Because people like you want to "have fun" while ignoring balance. Im just wondering how come my gold ass never had issues playing against pyke, TK etc. > I want champions to have clear weaknesses and strengths Pyke has both Strenght: good engage, sustain, cc, execution Weakness: bad engage results in him getting killed at later stages of the game, moderate cooldowns early on, delayed Q and E, ult having a wierd hitbox > I want champions to have clear powerspikes Pyke's powerspike is when he builds lethality item and when he has 2 points in his ult. Basically when hes able to execute some1 without having to w8 for them to be very low. > I want champions to have clear windows of risk and reward Pyke has that. When he wants to engage in a tf he cant do it whenever he wants to. And if he uses E on them and fucks up, hes dead. But if he chooses the right moment hes rewarded. > Just remove Pyke from getting "your cut" just give him the kill gold, and the adc the cut. The double gold is the problem. Which is a bad idea because the items he needs are too expensive for support budget, even if he only gets Cut from assists. It was okay back when he could go full tank but thats not the case now. Removing it would simply move his powerspike to later stages of the game, at which point i would personally pick rakan over pyke any day. Better engage, easier disengage, especially if you have xayah in the game.
: That's why people complain about the LOL report system...
This dude is like my ex-gf....he loves to have beads in his as....inventory.
EATARI (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-19T10:17:39.238+0000) > > Well it just takes time for system to catch up. > Move on. > Do you expect riot to have a crystal ball to know when some1 is going to troll? > Maybe he just had a streak of bad games. > Off-meta isnt punishable. > > /s Well I agree that Riot doesn’t catch them all immediately(and shouldn’t be expected to), but this is definitely not off-meta. There’s clearly no drive to win based upon his play history. You can play max hp regen Master Yi _if_ you can find a way to make it work. Otherwise, it’s probably trolling.
> [{quoted}](name=EATARI,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=00020002,timestamp=2019-09-19T14:16:17.718+0000) > > Well I agree that Riot doesn’t catch them all immediately(and shouldn’t be expected to), but this is definitely not off-meta. There’s clearly no drive to win based upon his play history. You can play max hp regen Master Yi _if_ you can find a way to make it work. Otherwise, it’s probably trolling. okay, 1st to respond to me was funny but the fact youre the 3rd person who didnt see obv sarcasm is kinda disturbing at this point xD
Vuuduu (NA)
: ME SEE CHAMPION, ME FIGHT THAT CHAMPION
So this is how insanity looks like in the shape of words..
Zac x Me (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Beetle Blast,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=xxNzEKlj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-19T06:35:15.079+0000) > > This honestly looks like the title of a mobile game. Guess what the 10 year anniversary will be. "We've decided to make LoL only available on the phone it'll feature cool new things like in-app purchases!" "What, don't you guys have phones?"
> [{quoted}](name=Zac x Me,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=xxNzEKlj,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-19T06:41:49.500+0000) > > Guess what the 10 year anniversary will be. > > "We've decided to make LoL only available on the phone it'll feature cool new things like in-app purchases!" > "What, don't you guys have phones?" If that happens lets troll them by migrating over to Mobile Legends. Or even Vainglory.
: > [{quoted}](name=PhDs Nuts,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-09-19T11:04:46.380+0000) > > "/s" Excuse my blindness and stupidity didn't see it :I
> [{quoted}](name=anatasjhsh01,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=f4jA20aA,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-19T11:15:10.050+0000) > > Excuse my blindness and stupidity didn't see it :I too bad, i wanted to reply to your comment with way more sarcasm hahaha thats just something riot fanboys would write, did i make a good imitation? :P
: That's why people complain about the LOL report system...
Well it just takes time for system to catch up. Move on. Do you expect riot to have a crystal ball to know when some1 is going to troll? Maybe he just had a streak of bad games. Off-meta isnt punishable. /s
: Again, where was I complaining about pyke, I simply said that pyke was one of the only 2 champs that is able to get full build at 12 minutes BECAUSE you claimed that other champs can do it to when its simply not true, that's not me complaining about how strong pyke is, that is me putting down your lie. Seriously, where was I "Bitching and moaning" News flash, I wasn't, stop resorting to insults, they get you nowhere. -_- Meanwhile you literally just said > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=00090000000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-19T01:00:30.263+0000) > >You have an option to play OP pyke Get out of here, you said he is op, not me, don't be a hypocrite.
> [{quoted}](name=Tahminatrix ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=000900000000000000000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-19T01:31:42.106+0000) > > Again, where was I complaining about pyke, I simply said that pyke was one of the only 2 champs that is able to get full build at 12 minutes BECAUSE you claimed that other champs can do it to when its simply not true, that's not me complaining about how strong pyke is, that is me putting down your lie. So if he's not strong, does it even matter if hes able to get "full build at 12 mins", given that there need to be certain circumstances, aka, be fed af for him to do that? > Seriously, where was I "Bitching and moaning" Then what r u doing? Trying to claim im lying or something? If thats the case then bruh, find yourself some other, more fullfilling activity. > News flash, I wasn't, stop resorting to insults, they get you nowhere. -_- Where did I insult you? o.O > Get out of here, you said he is op, not me, don't be a hypocrite. Is he not OP then? If thats the case then there is no point in pointing out his gold gain if thats not a problem.
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=000900000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-18T22:58:03.817+0000) > > Then go and abuse them if they are so fucking strong just stop whining like a baby about champs. Mother of god, no wonder LS doesnt respect NA **->OR EU<-** **>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>^^^^^** Im not abusing a champ that I don't find fun... And you have yet to deny my claim that its only possible on pyke/draven so it still stands meanwhile you just resort to insults... And where did I say draven/pyke are strong, all I did was bash your claim that any assassin can reach full build by 12 minutes which is entirely false, so don't put words in my mouth just because you are feeling sore and want to throw a tantrum. > Yea im pretty sure soraka can burst you down as fast as Zed can lel "almost any champ" (But ill entertain your joke) You don't have to kill someone as fast as zed in order to be an assassin, just look at {{champion:105}} who has to wait for his R delay / w passive to stack up to actually hurt anyone. or{{champion:84}} who just sits there and hides in her shroud waiting for her abilities to go off cooldown. But if you really think assassination is all about time to kill after contact, then zed aint even one compared to full ad {{champion:35}} or {{champion:107}}
> [{quoted}](name=Tahminatrix ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=0009000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-18T23:04:39.896+0000) > > Im not abusing a champ that I don't find fun... Well then thats your problem. You have an option to play OP pyke but instead you decided to bitch and moan xD > And you have yet to deny my claim that its only possible on pyke/draven so it still stands meanwhile you just resort to insults... How am I supposed to prove it? Play with every fucking champ until I have pop off game? sry honey but im not wasting my time and effort to explain some1 how some1 who gets rly fed early on can get items early on aswell. If you think champs shouldnt be able to do that thats your problem. > And where did I say draven/pyke are strong, all I did was bash your claim that any assassin can reach full build by 12 minutes which is entirely false, so don't put words in my mouth just because you are feeling sore and want to throw a tantrum. If they're not strong, why r u complaining about pyke then? > "almost any champ" (But ill entertain your joke) You don't have to kill someone as fast as zed in order to be an assassin, just look at {{champion:105}} who has to wait for his R delay / w passive to stack up to actually hurt anyone. Ok and? Can he still snowball if the player piloting him is way more skilled than his opponent? Yes he can. > But if you really think assassination is all about time to kill after contact, then zed aint even one compared to full ad {{champion:35}} or {{champion:107}} I simply gave zed as an example.
: Only possible on draven and pyke….you can kill the entire enemy team 3 times over by 12 minutes and still not be full build on your "assassins" meanwhile they can. If you are gonna say any assassin can do it then you are being incredibly generic since almost any champ can be an assassin.
> [{quoted}](name=Tahminatrix ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=00090000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-18T20:35:11.571+0000) > > Only possible on draven and pyke….you can kill the entire enemy team 3 times over by 12 minutes and still not be full build on your "assassins" meanwhile they can. Then go and abuse them if they are so fucking strong just stop whining like a baby about champs. Mother of god, no wonder LS doesnt respect NA. > If you are gonna say any assassin can do it then you are being incredibly generic since almost any champ can be an assassin. Yea im pretty sure soraka can burst you down as fast as Zed can lel
: > If you play a roll that depends on having competent teammates, like me, having competent teammates is a relevant factor. Anyone playing League with that mindset won't climb. Sometimes you get that player who's filled and all you need to do is explain your gameplan and how you intend to play. If you want to play a passive lane phase, just tell them this and discourage aggressive plays in lane with proper positioning. Everyone wants to be the playmaker but sometimes the correct play is to avoid conflict until the rest of your team's composition comes online. The other half of this is having a mechanically simple champion in mind for when you do get autofilled. My favorites for this are Ezreal as an ADC and Lux as a Support. It's very simple to play these champions at a basic level (but with Lux in my mid lane pool, I have more playtime on her and as such, I play like I'm playing Mid Lane minus the farming). > And those numbers could be halved if instead of trolls/afk/4fun players/autofills you get players who know their shit. If you do the math, the split is actually 40/40/20. You'll win 40 games out of 100 no matter what and you'll lose 40 games out of 100 no matter what. The other 20 are a tossup and it's up to you to figure out how to win. You're going to get 4fun players from time to time, but just cause they're playing for fun doesn't mean they don't care about winning. They just aren't going to get mad over it. Trolls happen, best thing to do is keep a cool head and report them after the game. (The reports do add up and eventually they will get punished for it.) People AFK out of games for a number of reasons and Riot's system understands the occasional AFK because Life Happens. The system also punishes frequent leavers with a lengthy timer. Eventually those players will learn... or they won't. (I just got pushed up to the 10 min wait step from 20 min step by just not leaving. I'm not going to leave games if I don't have to because it means I have to wait, and I don't want to wait. Therefore I'm going to behave.) Autofill happens. It's how they keep queue timers low. It sucks when they do happen but there are a few ways to mitigate the impact: 1) Ask them what their main role is and be open to swapping. People have their main roles for a reason, and putting them on their main role makes them much more likely to try-hard and go for that win. It also makes you look good, too. 2) Encourage them to play a simpler champion. A champion with fewer mechanics is harder to screw up at a basic level. (In the case of a Support, Top Lane, or Jungle, encourage playing a Tank. Tanks scale very well into the game, have simple to execute engage, and great crowd control which means they will always be useful no matter if ahead or behind. All they have to do is execute on their engage appropriately.) It's on you to not flame them for mistakes. Flame = Loss. Period. 3) Dodge. This is obviously not the best situation for anyone but it's important to remember that - even at the highest level - players dodge. A lot. Dodge as a last resort. (I dodge when I feel like the game will go poorly for me because I'm filled. It only cost me 3-10 LP every time but as long as I preserve my MMR I can recover from having to dodge.) If you're the autofilled one, it's OK to ask people to swap, but be respectful. 9 times out of 10 people swap me out of Support or ADC because I ask respectfully and inform them that forcing me to play the role is not optimal and has a higher chance of ending in a Loss.
> [{quoted}](name=Famous Gay Actor,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=euhXa127,comment-id=0001000200000001,timestamp=2019-09-18T21:43:34.839+0000) > > Anyone playing League with that mindset won't climb. Sometimes you get that player who's filled and all you need to do is explain your gameplan and how you intend to play. If you want to play a passive lane phase, just tell them this and discourage aggressive plays in lane with proper positioning. Mate, I dont have time to type the whole Bible of how to play the game. I expect players in ranked to know their shit. You cant do that? Gtfo on norms. > Everyone wants to be the playmaker but sometimes the correct play is to avoid conflict until the rest of your team's composition comes online. Bold of you to assume SoloQ players will do that...at least on EUNE, which is why I transfered on EUW. Players actually have brains there. > The other half of this is having a mechanically simple champion in mind for when you do get autofilled. My favorites for this are Ezreal as an ADC and Lux as a Support. It's very simple to play these champions at a basic level (but with Lux in my mid lane pool, I have more playtime on her and as such, I play like I'm playing Mid Lane minus the farming). > Im a supp main, I never get autofilled. > If you do the math, the split is actually 40/40/20. You'll win 40 games out of 100 no matter what and you'll lose 40 games out of 100 no matter what. The other 20 are a tossup and it's up to you to figure out how to win. You're going to get 4fun players from time to time, but just cause they're playing for fun doesn't mean they don't care about winning. They just aren't going to get mad over it. Mate....thats just a madeup pile of shit from riot. It's as legit as when they say youre among 0.0006% of permabanned players....for 5-6 years now. Its totally legit that number never went up for couple of years now xD And by that logic if I went to play 10 ranked games, i should only tryhard for 2 games, and not care about the other 8 because ill win 4 and lose 4 no matter what xD Thats a dogshit logic, suitable for this company hahaha > Trolls happen, best thing to do is keep a cool head and report them after the game. (The reports do add up and eventually they will get punished for it.) Which would be okay if it was just once in a while, but holy shit its rampant at this point. ffs Look at doms vids he made while playing on EUW. Every 2nd vid of his has some1 inting him. Look at TFBlade while he was in Turkey. he got inted by 4 HIGH CHALL PLAYERS IN ONE GAME. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT OKAY FOR RIOT?? And youre telling me "keep a cool head"?? Yea sure dude, when some1 ints me ill just smile and be like "haHAA this is so fun ahahahahahhahahahahahhahhuHHhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahah I love League of Legends" fuck off with that shit. This shit makes me want to make an NA acc and traget int you jsut so i can tell you KEEP A COOL HEAD BRO LULW holy shit i played several rankeds toay but i never thought some dude telling me to calm down will tilt me so much. Jokes aside, sry but as some1 who wants to get better at this game, getting trolled is rly discouraging and makes me want to quit the game. I cant stabnd having my time and LP wasted because riot refuses to do shit about it. Ill jsut advise you to watch the latest Facecheck episode, dom rly well explains to what lenghts hes going to expose inters to riot only for them to not o shit about it. > People AFK out of games for a number of reasons and Riot's system understands the occasional AFK because Life Happens. The system also punishes frequent leavers with a lengthy timer. Eventually those players will learn... or they won't. (I just got pushed up to the 10 min wait step from 20 min step by just not leaving. I'm not going to leave games if I don't have to because it means I have to wait, and I don't want to wait. Therefore I'm going to behave.) 1. That "Life happens" is just bs. I sure od believe dude has to go afk because a dog is raping his mother (and yea, I had a guy making that excuse before dc-ing) And that punishment isnt enought. When it becomes like csgo where you can have up to 1 week ban from ranked, then we'll be gucci > Autofill happens. It's how they keep queue timers low. It sucks when they do happen but there are a few ways to mitigate the impact: > 1) Ask them what their main role is and be open to swapping. People have their main roles for a reason, and putting them on their main role makes them much more likely to try-hard and go for that win. It also makes you look good, too. > 2) Encourage them to play a simpler champion. A champion with fewer mechanics is harder to screw up at a basic level. (In the case of a Support, Top Lane, or Jungle, encourage playing a Tank. Tanks scale very well into the game, have simple to execute engage, and great crowd control which means they will always be useful no matter if ahead or behind. All they have to do is execute on their engage appropriately.) It's on you to not flame them for mistakes. Flame = Loss. Period. > 3) Dodge. This is obviously not the best situation for anyone but it's important to remember that - even at the highest level - players dodge. A lot. Dodge as a last resort. (I dodge when I feel like the game will go poorly for me because I'm filled. It only cost me 3-10 LP every time but as long as I preserve my MMR I can recover from having to dodge.) > 1. Last time I gave supp to some1 else, he soft inted and rq the game 2. And they wont listen to you, as ususal. 3. Im already doing that, > If you're the autofilled one, it's OK to ask people to swap, but be respectful. 9 times out of 10 people swap me out of Support or ADC because I ask respectfully and inform them that forcing me to play the role is not optimal and has a higher chance of ending in a Loss. Im autofill protected cfonstantly because i main support.
: It's more likely that people are ignorant of the fact that they aren't the only player on the team. If you have a poor start, the best thing to do is figure out who came out alright and who has the highest chance of being the win condition. Sometimes you just have to finish the game 1/9/16 so that your fed ADC Jinx can get that 15/5/1 finish - gotta have that token assist so people can't say you're not a team player XD.
> [{quoted}](name=Famous Gay Actor,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=euhXa127,comment-id=00010003,timestamp=2019-09-18T21:23:30.981+0000) > > It's more likely that people are ignorant of the fact that they aren't the only player on the team. If you have a poor start, the best thing to do is figure out who came out alright and who has the highest chance of being the win condition. Sometimes you just have to finish the game 1/9/16 so that your fed ADC Jinx can get that 15/5/1 finish - gotta have that token assist so people can't say you're not a team player XD. Its not about having good or bad score, its about knowing the fundementals of the game, which is something players in my elo dont know at all nowadays...unlike in season 7 where you could have good coordination with teammates who know their shit....in SILVER 5
: I don't know man. LIke I said, it's ludicrous that any champ could be full build by level 12. I don't know how else to explain that. You're clearly a Pyke player, and thats fine, but his kit is overloaded. So because I don't play a lot of ranked I can't want a balanced game? I still play it, but the whole point is i WANT to enjoy it.
> [{quoted}](name=Horse Grenades ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=000900000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-18T17:14:31.623+0000) > > You're clearly a Pyke player, and thats fine, but his kit is overloaded. No i idnt play pyke for a long time now, I mostly play Leona and Naut. And no his kit is not overloaded, its just that season 9 players dont want to learn the game. You know whats overloaded? When a champ has stuff in its kit that makes no sense gameplay wise. Example: Yasuo having double crit and shield he gets by walking and him getting 50% armor pen and a full shield. There is no logical reason from the gameplay perspective to give him those things. Pyke getting extra gold on ult kill makes sense. Imagine if we completely removed Cut from his ult. He could still execute enemies but there would be a few problems: 1. Teammates that actually need kills wouldnt get that extra gold from letting Pyke a kill 2. Wouldnt get enough gold to buy items he needs, which are usually meant for solo lanes, which are more expensive 3. He doesnt benefit much from regular supp items because none of them give extra ad, and he cant get extra HP from items. 4. Technically speaking it would be pointless to allow pyke to kill enemies with his ult. Which is why he needs that extra gold from ulti. It's what makes him useful as a support. Wanna get rid of that? Okay then, but give him back his waveclear. Otherwise there would be no point in picking him. > So because I don't play a lot of ranked I can't want a balanced game? I still play it, but the whole point is i WANT to enjoy it. And thats the problem. You want to enjoy the game. Enjoyment is subjective. If you put enjoyment/fun in front of balance you will have champs like TK being completely gutted even when he was already weak as a support because casual player want to have fun by taking anything they want and brute force the laning phase and win every time. Which is something TK didnt allow because of his kit and how riot changed him to be good at fighting. And despite TK being able to be countered, because top laners didnt "enjoy" playing vs him, riot gutted him even more. Because of this, he's now a dead champ. If you think gutting champs to the point they're a troll pick is "balance", then you know shit about balance. All in all you dont want balance, you want to "enjoy the game" YOUR WAY, without considering how would that actually affect the champ. And because riot listened people like you we're now in this damage burst meta.
Arakadia (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=cG7AnpnU,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-18T11:45:36.835+0000) > > No they're just still acting like a "small indie company". Why do people always quote this like it's something Riot actually said?
> [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=cG7AnpnU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-18T17:26:05.219+0000) > > Why do people always quote this like it's something Riot actually said? They didnt, I just put it in quotation marks because they aint a small indie company anymore, but they're behaving like they still are.
: Yeah, I had a kid a couple years ago. So i really just have time to get to my old rank and then tag out. If I'm the common Plat player, then absolutely, the quality of plat players is really low. In all honesty, the chances of me staying plat if I actually played ranked would be low because I just don't have time (or the want to) to be really good at the game. I like playing too many different champs and norms with friends. All that being said, I don't know why anything (outside of making yourself feel better) about my own personal rank has to do with the important part of my post. Even in a game when I went 44-4 as J4, I didn't hit full build until level 16-17. Pyke's gold income (in conjunction with the other parts of his kit) is unneeded, too easy to access, and too easy to proc.
> [{quoted}](name=Horse Grenades ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=0009000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-18T16:23:41.623+0000) > > Yeah, I had a kid a couple years ago. So i really just have time to get to my old rank and then tag out. If I'm the common Plat player, then absolutely, the quality of plat players is really low. In all honesty, the chances of me staying plat if I actually played ranked would be low because I just don't have time (or the want to) to be really good at the game. I like playing too many different champs and norms with friends. You dont have time to play ranked but you have time to play norms and complain about a champ because you had 1 game where you popped off. Interesting. > All that being said, I don't know why anything (outside of making yourself feel better) about my own personal rank has to do with the important part of my post. Even in a game when I went 44-4 as J4, I didn't hit full build until level 16-17. Pyke's gold income (in conjunction with the other parts of his kit) is unneeded, too easy to access, and too easy to proc. And? Would you be able to be full build at min 12 if you were even or behind the enemy laners? No you wouldnt. You got fed an were able to get items early on because of it. As it should be. Youre just complaining for the sake of complaining. Besides, since youre only sticking to norms, why do you care about champ balance? Just play the game and enjoy with your friends.
: ''makes me want to kik a toddler in the fucking jaw.'' get help dude, like a therapist for real, if a videogame makes you feel like that then stop playing it, and get help before you actually do something like that bro
> [{quoted}](name=Blessed By RNG,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=thd3ttxh,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2019-09-18T15:38:48.288+0000) > > ''makes me want to kik a toddler in the fucking jaw.'' get help dude, like a therapist for real, if a videogame makes you feel like that then stop playing it, and get help before you actually do something like that bro I...dont think he was serious about it. Just an over-the-top way to express his frustration.
: 100% would not be. Zed is absolutely more difficult to rack kills and gold up on. My point is the kill gold is too much, especially in light of the rest of his kit.
> [{quoted}](name=Horse Grenades ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=00090000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-18T14:18:31.444+0000) > > 100% would not be. > Zed is absolutely more difficult to rack kills and gold up on. My point is the kill gold is too much, especially in light of the rest of his kit. Yea it is..if you kill a lot of people, which for a plat like youself aint hard when you go on norms and body dogshit players xD Do that in ranked several times and then come back.... if you actually have balls to do it since you stopped playing ranked as soon as you hit plat 4 hahaha Quality of plat players is rly low these days huh? Back is season 7 and before we didnt have whiners like you in silver, let alone plat. Truly depressing.
: "PvE game modes cost too many resources"
> I'm starting to question where goes all that profit from skins... Riot acts like they're in bankruptcy and desperate. No they're just still acting like a "small indie company".
: 12 minutes.... That used to only be remotely possible on draven, but now youre saying any higher elo player can play any champ and do that? Okay, go smurf with {{champion:223}} in norms , try to get full build in 12 minutes.
> [{quoted}](name=Tahminatrix ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=000900000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-18T05:19:23.215+0000) > > 12 minutes.... > > > That used to only be remotely possible on draven, but now youre saying any higher elo player can play any champ and do that? > > > Okay, go smurf with {{champion:223}} in norms , try to get full build in 12 minutes. Learn to read ty. I never said you can play ANY champ and do that. I said this: > And he could reach full build with any assassin given the circumstances. And the circumstances are the following: - plat player - playing normal game - playing against lower elo players - 1 game only I'm pretty sure if we give this guy to play zed in this situation the outcome would be more or less the same.
Ahri Baka (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2019-09-17T18:35:30.797+0000) > > And he could reach full build with any assassin given the circumstances. it's not very common for an assassin to reach full build at 12 , Zed and Talon or Kha never did that
> [{quoted}](name=Ahri Baka,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=0009000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-17T18:48:40.372+0000) > > it's not very common for an assassin to reach full build at 12 , Zed and Talon or Kha never did that Not if there is a higher elo player stomping low elo players on norms lmao
Saezio (EUNE)
: Duo has competitive advantage unless there is a duo in the same roles in the other team You can communicate faster via Voice + You know each other's tendencies and can have a plan before the game has even started. No matter how much you try to defend it, duo climbing is easier than solo climbing, especially for roles like support+adc or mid+jg
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wwXAE70s,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-09-17T11:07:08.626+0000) > > Duo has competitive advantage unless there is a duo in the same roles in the other team > You can communicate faster via Voice + You know each other's tendencies and can have a plan before the game has even started. > > No matter how much you try to defend it, duo climbing is easier than solo climbing, especially for roles like support+adc or mid+jg And its still irrelevant for two reason: 1. No matter how synced the duo is, if they're not rly good players individually, it means fuck all because you can still be outclassed. Even with comms. 2. You dont have that sort of communication with the rest of your team. Hell you could make the same argument for flexQ and it would actually hold, since you can be a 5-man premade against solo players. And if it was that easy to climb with duo partner, people would abuse it to hell and back and no1 would play solo. And yet some players are playing solo. So either some players love to play at a disadvantage or duoQ isnt an issue and it's just another excuse for bad players. If it's so easy to play DuoQ and climb then by all means use it. It's not like it's avaliable to every1. But im telling ya from my personal experience, as some1 who plays both solo and duo, its more or less the same, except you only need to worry about 3 teammates being absolute apes, not 4.
Ahri Baka (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Midg3t,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-09-17T09:40:15.564+0000) > > 1. It's norms > 2. youre plat > > Any fucking idiot could take an assassin (yes, pyke is an assassin-support) and snowball. > If this can prove a champ is OP then oooo boy im about to hop on my low lvl acc and body some fools with any champ I want it to be nerfed xD The point of that the OP talking about is the fact that they reached full build in 12 Minutes , no champion can do that while a supportl like Pyke can.
> [{quoted}](name=Ahri Baka,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2019-09-17T13:07:30.041+0000) > > The point of that the OP talking about is the fact that they reached full build in 12 Minutes , no champion can do that while a supportl like Pyke can. And he could reach full build with any assassin given the circumstances.
: well, a 20% wr snowballed its game...how's possible?
> [{quoted}](name=RebeccaUCuber,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0YEWHrQG,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-09-17T08:21:23.677+0000) > > well, a 20% wr snowballed its game...how's possible? Every1 can have a good game once in a while...especially when it's a plat player playing normal game.
: I played a game as Pyke and snowballed..
1. It's norms 2. youre plat Any fucking idiot could take an assassin (yes, pyke is an assassin-support) and snowball. If this can prove a champ is OP then oooo boy im about to hop on my low lvl acc and body some fools with any champ I want it to be nerfed xD
Sydney26 (EUW)
: Duo has no place in a SoloQ! Your Opinion?
It's called solo/dduo queue if im not mistaken. And if we'll talk about "competitive experience" this are the things that we should have: - voice chat - being able to see exactly how is MM matching players aswell as being able to see our MMR - restricting low lvl mastery champs from being played in ranked - removing autofill - putting cooldowns on players on lose streak/if they get reported a lot for griefing - increasing requirements to play ranked (higher acc lvl, more champs required etc.) Duos have no effect on "competitive experience", no matter how much you try to justify it. atm, ranked in its core is not competitive what so ever. because of the things i said above.
Hotarµ (NA)
: Totally legitimate upvotes. Gotta love this board.
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=EBBIvmVK,discussion-id=h0jqQUHB,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-16T02:05:43.849+0000) > > Totally legitimate upvotes. Gotta love this board. ? 6 upvotes in 17 hours, how are they not legit?
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