: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cqXLMpAB,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2020-01-24T06:14:55.981+0000) > > Shurima's aesthethic is much more ancient egypt/persian/sumeria etc and arabian based > Also there are brown skinned people everywhere on Runeterra that doesn't mean anything. Except for Freljord. > Their weapons also look more Noxian in design, and their clothing misses the general gold and yellow color that are usually present. > They COULD be Shurima but I'd like Shurima to have cards that actually match their aeathethic 100% not just barely while having Noxian aesthethics to it The Noxian Weapons are quite easily explained away by the occupation. Of the actual Shuriman human champs we have {{champion:163}} {{champion:15}} the clothes line up well. Especially with Taliyah who is the most recent addition. Shurimans don't prescribe to one color scheme they typically wear all kinds of vibrant colors. There are brown people in other places of Runeterra, but Shurimans are most generally broadly portrayed as darker with Kai'Sa being the only notable exception. Shurima is no stranger to Noxian culture anyways. Saying they barely match the aesthetic because they carry Noxian weapons (Easily explained away by them being rebels arming themselves with what's at hand/abundant) is a little extra.
> [{quoted}](name=mrmeddyman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cqXLMpAB,comment-id=00020001000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-24T08:08:33.658+0000) > > The Noxian Weapons are quite easily explained away by the occupation. Of the actual Shuriman human champs we have {{champion:163}} {{champion:15}} the clothes line up well. Especially with Taliyah who is the most recent addition. Shurimans don't prescribe to one color scheme they typically wear all kinds of vibrant colors. > > There are brown people in other places of Runeterra, but Shurimans are most generally broadly portrayed as darker with Kai'Sa being the only notable exception. > > Shurima is no stranger to Noxian culture anyways. Saying they barely match the aesthetic because they carry Noxian weapons (Easily explained away by them being rebels arming themselves with what's at hand/abundant) is a little extra. And I'm saying that Shurima should have purely Shurima cards not cards that are basically half Noxus because Noxus has some territories in the north. Having rebels from Noxian territories as cards from the release wouldn't be a v good idea imo as more Shurima-like cards would be better for its release. Also Taliyah at least has some desert-themed clothing. And about Kai'Sa being the only exception, we also have Sivir, Kassadin pre Void, pre Void Malzahar, a bunch of NPCs etc. Tho yeah they are more tanned than people in other regions would be
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cqXLMpAB,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2020-01-23T11:01:11.266+0000) > > I said this before and I'll say it again. > There's nothing to indicate those are Shurimans and not some other rebels in Noxus. The aesthethic doesn't match at all. > And I would also be dissapointed asf if Shurima's first cards are not even Shuriman in theme and aesthethic and are instead some rebels against Noxus Brown skin and aladdin style vests? Shawls, beaded adornments and colorful wreaths of cloth? They're clearly coded as Middle Eastern/ North African which is the region of planet Earth that Shurima is based on.. How does the aesthetic not match???
> [{quoted}](name=mrmeddyman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cqXLMpAB,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2020-01-24T04:31:10.764+0000) > > Brown skin and aladdin style vests? Shawls, beaded adornments and colorful wreaths of cloth? > > They're clearly coded as Middle Eastern/ North African which is the region of planet Earth that Shurima is based on.. How does the aesthetic not match??? Shurima's aesthethic is much more ancient egypt/persian/sumeria etc and arabian based Also there are brown skinned people everywhere on Runeterra that doesn't mean anything. Except for Freljord. Their weapons also look more Noxian in design, and their clothing misses the general gold and yellow color that are usually present. They COULD be Shurima but I'd like Shurima to have cards that actually match their aeathethic 100% not just barely while having Noxian aesthethics to it
: Ezreal goes from enthusiastic, likable if shallow han solo-esque rogue adventurer to arrogant douchebag responsible for mulitple accidental near genocides with major daddy issues.... Varus goes from interesting moral quandary about sometimes having to embrace evil to combat the evil in the world and that paired with a compelling vengeance arc into gay threeway of incompetence, diversity, and edge..... Swain goes from mortal master strategist who outsmarts everyone including immortals with a bird like evil league batman into "guess I'll just blow them up with overwhelming demon hand force cuz I'm immortal lul".... Oh wait.... riot got those already
> [{quoted}](name=Minimac2000,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Mqqpt82t,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2020-01-23T17:19:32.000+0000) > > Ezreal goes from enthusiastic, likable if shallow han solo-esque rogue adventurer to arrogant douchebag responsible for mulitple accidental near genocides with major daddy issues.... > > Varus goes from interesting moral quandary about sometimes having to embrace evil to combat the evil in the world and that paired with a compelling vengeance arc into gay threeway of incompetence, diversity, and edge..... > > Swain goes from mortal master strategist who outsmarts everyone including immortals with a bird like evil league batman into "guess I'll just blow them up with overwhelming demon hand force cuz I'm immortal lul".... > > Oh wait.... riot got those already The last one is wrong tho he doesn't rly blow anyone up in lore
: Legends of Runeterra: the first expansion!
I also wish for Shurima a lot Imagine all the cards it can have and all the worldbuilding it can bring for Shurima! Ascended like Aatrox Setaka and Horok as cards (similar to how Ledros is a card) Huge beasts and magical golems and warmachines Azir summoning sand soldier cards Cards that showcase more stuff about Shurima's soldiers and warriors both in modern times and Imperial times
: Based off empirical evidence I'm inclined to agree with you. Shurima is the only region with concept art that isn't in the game which leads me to believe that they are next anyways. https://cdn1.sixmorevodka.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/08000341/BurningFist05.jpg?webp=0 https://cdn1.sixmorevodka.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/08000342/BurningFist03.jpg?webp=0 https://cdn1.sixmorevodka.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/08000341/BurningFist04.jpg?webp=0 https://cdn1.sixmorevodka.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/08000343/BurningFist02.jpg?webp=0 https://cdn1.sixmorevodka.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/08000344/BurningFist01.jpg?webp=0 These "Burning Fist" cards could technically be holdovers from the initial Noxian deck, that were canned because with the Crimson court, Trifarion Legion and Reckoners the deck was becoming over-saturated, but I doubt it. Too many of these concepts are in a finished state and they are the last concept arts found on the site. Leading me to believe it's an intentional tease.
> [{quoted}](name=mrmeddyman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=cqXLMpAB,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2020-01-22T22:48:41.323+0000) > > Based off empirical evidence I'm inclined to agree with you. Shurima is the only region with concept art that isn't in the game which leads me to believe that they are next anyways. > > https://cdn1.sixmorevodka.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/08000341/BurningFist05.jpg?webp=0 > https://cdn1.sixmorevodka.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/08000342/BurningFist03.jpg?webp=0 > https://cdn1.sixmorevodka.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/08000341/BurningFist04.jpg?webp=0 > https://cdn1.sixmorevodka.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/08000343/BurningFist02.jpg?webp=0 > https://cdn1.sixmorevodka.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/08000344/BurningFist01.jpg?webp=0 > > These "Burning Fist" cards could technically be holdovers from the initial Noxian deck, that were canned because with the Crimson court, Trifarion Legion and Reckoners the deck was becoming over-saturated, but I doubt it. Too many of these concepts are in a finished state and they are the last concept arts found on the site. Leading me to believe it's an intentional tease. I said this before and I'll say it again. There's nothing to indicate those are Shurimans and not some other rebels in Noxus. The aesthethic doesn't match at all. And I would also be dissapointed asf if Shurima's first cards are not even Shuriman in theme and aesthethic and are instead some rebels against Noxus
: Take a character you like and ruin them with bad writing.
{{champion:268}} gets killed by Sivir in a 1v1 because of some Disney cliche BS plot armor because "tImE oF tHe aScendEd hAS paSseD" and estabilshes a democracy. either that or Azir kills himself (unlike Epstein) {{champion:13}} He takes Lux as an apprentice and ends up sacrifing himself to save her due to her being the last hope or some shit. Either that or he kills himself
Theorex (NA)
: Ryze is human, I think you mean Xerath. Ryze is fight/ becoming corrupted by the world runes. But since you bring up Ryze, would Sylas absorb pre world rune magic, or post world rune magic. Then if the answer is post world rune magic, would the world rune magic also attempt to corrupt his mind? These are the real questions we must ask, since the world rune magic seem to play on the human instinct of domination by power and also have a mind of their own when in the hands of sentient beings. I would actually like a new champions that isn't human to have come in contact with the world rune and thus became corrupted by it. Since Brand is Ryze's old mentor.
> [{quoted}](name=Theorex,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zjlzh3YT,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2020-01-21T00:58:22.840+0000) > > Ryze is human, I think you mean Xerath. > > Ryze is fight/ becoming corrupted by the world runes. > > But since you bring up Ryze, would Sylas absorb pre world rune magic, or post world rune magic. Then if the answer is post world rune magic, would the world rune magic also attempt to corrupt his mind? These are the real questions we must ask, since the world rune magic seem to play on the human instinct of domination by power and also have a mind of their own when in the hands of sentient beings. I would actually like a new champions that isn't human to have come in contact with the world rune and thus became corrupted by it. Since Brand is Ryze's old mentor. Ryze is NOT becoming corrupted by the World Runes. His whole thing is resisting their temptation. Also you got that backwards. Ryze is Brand's old master not the other way around
Hotarµ (NA)
: What draws you to a character?
1. Their aesthethic 2. Their theme, especially the old powerful and knowledgable archmage theme 3. Their power set (I'm one of those people that are rly into power scaling and analisation of one's powers) 4. Their overall character
: "Panth survived through anime power" And Jax is as anime as they come, outside of the Star Guardian skinline. ... and MAYBE Sett, especially if you count the champion spotlight
> [{quoted}](name=HalfTangible,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=amEaEZ2q,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-18T05:02:34.591+0000) > > "Panth survived through anime power" > > And Jax is as anime as they come, outside of the Star Guardian skinline. > > ... and MAYBE Sett, especially if you count the champion spotlight I mean anime as in the willpower thingy. Also the celestial power resided in him
: Renekton and Aatrox are champions. They are the apex of their respective kind's power levels. Keep in mind Pantheon (who very much takes pride in being a mortal man) survived a lethal blow from Aatrox *after* the Aspect left him.
> [{quoted}](name=HalfTangible,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=amEaEZ2q,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2020-01-17T20:45:47.931+0000) > > Renekton and Aatrox are champions. > > They are the apex of their respective kind's power levels. > > Keep in mind Pantheon (who very much takes pride in being a mortal man) survived a lethal blow from Aatrox *after* the Aspect left him. Tbh Panth survived that through anime power and as much as he claims to be just a mortal man, he obvs still has some of the celestial power of the aspect in him.
: They are non-literally gods. They are imbued with god-like power, from a mortal perspective. But Ascended most definitely CAN be killed. Even the champion-tier ones. (But not the imprisoned Darkin)
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Scathlocke,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=amEaEZ2q,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-17T15:56:45.748+0000) > > They are non-literally gods. They are imbued with god-like power, from a mortal perspective. > > But Ascended most definitely CAN be killed. Even the champion-tier ones. > > (But not the imprisoned Darkin) Well yeah they can but I can't imagine normal mortals with no magic, even super good soldiers like Jax, take on the likes of let's say Nasus without any help
Jaspers (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=amEaEZ2q,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-17T12:53:43.064+0000) > > Because Renekton and Aatrox are 2 of the most powerful Ascended ever and I x doubt that Jax could kill them. Have more faith in him (and less in the Ascended).
> [{quoted}](name=Jaspers,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=amEaEZ2q,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-17T13:04:48.439+0000) > > Have more faith in him (and less in the Ascended). Ascended like Renekton and Aatrox are Freljordian spirit god level of power. Jax can't kill that unless he has a World Rune or some shit.
Jaspers (EUW)
: Seems Jax and co did not considering them legendary, as they saw them as humans who can be killed. Who said the one he killed was like Renekton or Aatrox? Even then, why should they be considered any different? Tough does not mean immortal, even if it seems like they are. The mountain part sounds like exaggeration, it may not mean a literal mountain large rocks as part of one, loping off their head shows they are killable. We know they are hard to kill and Jax did it.
> [{quoted}](name=Jaspers,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=amEaEZ2q,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-17T11:25:59.983+0000) > > Seems Jax and co did not considering them legendary, as they saw them as humans who can be killed. Who said the one he killed was like Renekton or Aatrox? Even then, why should they be considered any different? Tough does not mean immortal, even if it seems like they are. Because Renekton and Aatrox are 2 of the most powerful Ascended ever and I x doubt that Jax could kill them. > The mountain part sounds like exaggeration, it may not mean a literal mountain large rocks as part of one, loping off their head shows they are killable. We know they are hard to kill and Jax did it. Half a mountain even as an exageration would mean like a big ass avalanche
Jacksin (OCE)
: >Saijax even killed one of the vaunted Ascended in battle I didn't know what vaunted actually meant but: >vaunted ► adj. Highly or widely praised or boasted about. v. Simple past tense and past participle of vaunt. The ascended was clearly one of the strongest.
> [{quoted}](name=Jacksin,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=amEaEZ2q,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-17T07:35:09.100+0000) > > I didn't know what vaunted actually meant but: > adj. Highly or widely praised or boasted about. > v. Simple past tense and past participle of vaunt. > > The ascended was clearly one of the strongest. Every Ascended is considered legendary by mortals. Even average or weak ones. Jax wouldn't have been able to kill someone like Renekton or Aatrox
Jacksin (OCE)
: > “Have you seen one?” I was filled with youthful enthusiasm, but I still remember the look that passed between Saijax and Colgrim. “I have, Axa,” said Saijax. “We fought one at Bai-Zhek.” “We had to topple half the mountain to put the big bastard down,” Colgrim added. “And even then, only Saijax had a weapon big enough to take its head off.” This quote doesn't imply "an entire regiment" there was a "We fought one at Bai'Zhek". Could have been anywhere from 2+ people. I accept that it probably wasn't 1 on 1 combat but saying that he had a whole regiment is just speculation. And even then, Jax was the only one who could finish the job
> [{quoted}](name=Jacksin,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=amEaEZ2q,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2020-01-17T04:23:08.756+0000) > > I was filled with youthful enthusiasm, but I still remember the look that passed between Saijax and Colgrim. > “I have, Axa,” said Saijax. “We fought one at Bai-Zhek.” > “We had to topple half the mountain to put the big bastard down,” Colgrim added. “And even then, only Saijax had a weapon big enough to take its head off.” > > This quote doesn't imply "an entire regiment" there was a "We fought one at Bai'Zhek". Could have been anywhere from 2+ people. I accept that it probably wasn't 1 on 1 combat but saying that he had a whole regiment is just speculation. And even then, Jax was the only one who could finish the job They still had to topple down half a mountain and there's nothing to indicate the Ascended was strong by Ascended standards. Every Ascended is legendary to mortals
: I think that Ionia has a problem that i will call "The Continental Problem" Sure, Ionia has tons of champions... But people has to consider that Ionia is a continent. The rest of the continents from Runeterra have tons of different factions, but Ionia is just Ionia. When people think about the champions from Shurima, they usually think about: {{champion:268}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:33}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:32}} and maybe {{champion:69}} But Shurima is a whole continent, aside from all the champions from "Shurima" you have Targon, Icathia, Ixtal, Zaun, Darkins and Piltover. People doesnt say that this is the list of Shuriman Champions: {{champion:266}} {{champion:32}} {{champion:523}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:518}} {{champion:76}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:246}} {{champion:33}} {{champion:421}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:72}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:44}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:26}} {{champion:142}} (and im not even mentioning the Zaun/Piltover champs) Even if they all are from the same continent. The same can be said about Valoran. Ionia needs to have more than one faction to fix this problem... maybe something like "Unbalance /Revels" Faction vs "Balance" Faction vs "Animal" Faction. "Unbalance" Faction: {{champion:238}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:157}} "Balance" Faction: {{champion:98}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:427}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:62}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:64}} Vastayah Revels: {{champion:498}} {{champion:497}} {{champion:103}} {{champion:875}} Fourth Faction: {{champion:202}} (i had to)
> [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=P4wInKd9,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2020-01-15T16:25:17.152+0000) > > I think that Ionia has a problem that i will call "The Continental Problem" > > Sure, Ionia has tons of champions... But people has to consider that Ionia is a continent. The rest of the continents from Runeterra have tons of different factions, but Ionia is just Ionia. > > When people think about the champions from Shurima, they usually think about: {{champion:268}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:33}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:32}} and maybe {{champion:69}} > > But Shurima is a whole continent, aside from all the champions from "Shurima" you have Targon, Icathia, Ixtal, Zaun, Darkins and Piltover. > > People doesnt say that this is the list of Shuriman Champions: {{champion:266}} {{champion:32}} {{champion:523}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:518}} {{champion:76}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:246}} {{champion:33}} {{champion:421}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:72}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:44}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:26}} {{champion:142}} (and im not even mentioning the Zaun/Piltover champs) > > Even if they all are from the same continent. > > The same can be said about Valoran. > > Ionia needs to have more than one faction to fix this problem... maybe something like > "Unbalance /Revels" Faction vs "Balance" Faction vs "Animal" Faction. > > "Unbalance" Faction: > {{champion:238}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:157}} > "Balance" Faction: > {{champion:98}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:427}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:62}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:64}} > Vastayah Revels: {{champion:498}} {{champion:497}} {{champion:103}} {{champion:875}} > Fourth Faction: {{champion:202}} (i had to) But the Shuriman continent is much bigger than Ionia
: Champions based on sub-factions
I personally would like to see a Shuriman sunpriest. Maybe some of them survived and the remains of them gathered in some city (maybe Nashramae?)
: Just realized your name is ryze too lmfao
> [{quoted}](name=RyzeRework,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=oGyqcxnm,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-16T07:15:06.192+0000) > > Just realized your name is ryze too lmfao Ryzes together strong
Rextreff (NA)
: More player involvement in lore
If players would start to influence the lore it would soon turn to shit. The lore has gotten better because the actual writers actually do their job
: sounds like the perfect league champion ya know misery and suffering
> [{quoted}](name=RyzeRework,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=oGyqcxnm,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-16T00:20:11.845+0000) > > sounds like the perfect league champion ya know misery and suffering I should have added that they got no powers and basically only got mutilated
Jango Mage (EUNE)
: A Baccai champion would be lovely. We know they exist, yet we still have not seen a single one in the lore, let alone in the game as a champion. Obviously a Watcher or one of the Void masters would be a great addition. They’d be a worthy rival for Aurelion Sol. Talking of Sol. Dragons. We know that there over 200 dragon species in Ionia, and that elemental drakes originate from Ixtal. Why not make more dragon champions? Perhaps a dragon vastayah could be a very nice addition to the thin roster of champs from this region. Altough Urgot kinda fullfills this to some degree, a chembaron champion would be welcome. Perhaps the one from the Zaun story in the Realms of Runaterra Book. A champion from the tribe of Lissandra, the Frostguard. This is the least represented tribe of the three, so more champions could be added to it. A true Blessed isles champion. Not someone who survived the Ruination and got twisted by it , but someone who managed to remain completely untouched by the black mist. And lastly a champion from the region between Noxus and Demacia would also be a great addition. We know they use magic, so maybe it could be some kind of a shaman.
> [{quoted}](name=Jango Mage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=oGyqcxnm,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2020-01-15T22:57:32.915+0000) > > A Baccai champion would be lovely. We know they exist, yet we still have not seen a single one in the lore, let alone in the game as a champion. > > Obviously a Watcher or one of the Void masters would be a great addition. They’d be a worthy rival for Aurelion Sol. > > Talking of Sol. Dragons. We know that there over 200 dragon species in Ionia, and that elemental drakes originate from Ixtal. Why not make more dragon champions? Perhaps a dragon vastayah could be a very nice addition to the thin roster of champs from this region. > > Altough Urgot kinda fullfills this to some degree, a chembaron champion would be welcome. Perhaps the one from the Zaun story in the Realms of Runaterra Book. > > A champion from the tribe of Lissandra, the Frostguard. This is the least represented tribe of the three, so more champions could be added to it. > > A true Blessed isles champion. Not someone who survived the Ruination and got twisted by it , but someone who managed to remain completely untouched by the black mist. > > And lastly a champion from the region between Noxus and Demacia would also be a great addition. We know they use magic, so maybe it could be some kind of a shaman. Baccais don't exist anymore because Imperial Shurima used to kill them all. Plus they wouldn't live very long anyways. They were failures and basically doomed to a life of misery and suffering.
: Who Is The New Lore Champ? Wrong Answers Only.
Whoever it is it clearly is not Yone. I mean could you IMAGINE Riot making yet ANOTHER Ionian champ right after Sett? Crazy right? It has got to be someone else that is way cooler and clearly not just some edge boy from Ionia to milk the playerbase. I mean just look at all the new inovative champs Riot has given us since Zoe! They are all so unique and complex, and clearly not designed to be all either e girl sex appeals, edgy villains tm, or magical lolis (or cats). Anyways I can't wait for the Ruined King. He refuses to die due to the Black Mist and it's heavly hinted he controls it. With the new RK game it's even more possible.
: This next comic series
I would love a Shurima comic with Nasus as the main character
: Well, it has to create that moment of desperation then the comeback moment then right before the fight the end. There is something inconsistent in all of them, all cinematics. Did Zaunites really just walk up in the cell of the most dangerous criminal in the entire Piltover prison? How did shurimans manage to use voidlings as a trap and yet struggle and almost lost because they can't fight back the void? Lux staff thing?? Galio not causing an entire earthquake and killing everything.
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=36T73KII,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2020-01-12T20:08:46.420+0000) > > Well, it has to create that moment of desperation then the comeback moment then right before the fight the end. There is something inconsistent in all of them, all cinematics. Did Zaunites really just walk up in the cell of the most dangerous criminal in the entire Piltover prison? How did shurimans manage to use voidlings as a trap and yet struggle and almost lost because they can't fight back the void? Lux staff thing?? Galio not causing an entire earthquake and killing everything. About the Shurima part, I think they used the tear to seal the Void, not the other way around
Lewanor (NA)
: Universe in 2020 | Dev Video
So let's see..... Bandle and Ixtal will still be underdeveloped Shurima's plotline will get ignored again But hey let's give Ionia even more content. Yey /s
Naalith (NA)
: Wishlist of lore advancements/improvements I want to see for 2020
Personally I hope that Shurima's main plotline gets continued. And I mean the God war one. There's so much potential for epic battles and shit like that in there, and a lot of potential plotlines to happen in Shurima after it gets resolved too. I would love for Shurima's plot to get continued (as long as they don't go the Disney cliche route and kill off both Azir and Xerath so either Taliyah or Sivir can take over because that would be the 1 option I would hate to happen for Shurima)
zounet (EUW)
: Ok thx My last question: when the rioter said that when ascended became darkin, the celestial concept disappeared, do you think that the concept stopped to exist or just broke the link with the ascended? ( And sry for my English)
> [{quoted}](name=zounet,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=yuhBbXA2,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-10T17:52:26.120+0000) > > Ok thx > My last question: when the rioter said that when ascended became darkin, the celestial concept disappeared, do you think that the concept stopped to exist or just broke the link with the ascended? > ( And sry for my English) That I have no clue
zounet (EUW)
: Ok but why a rioter mentioned that when they became darkin, the concept they embody disappeared? Are the ascended connected to the aspect they got their power?
> [{quoted}](name=zounet,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=yuhBbXA2,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2020-01-10T16:27:58.857+0000) > > Ok but why a rioter mentioned that when they became darkin, the concept they embody disappeared? > Are the ascended connected to the aspect they got their power? They are conected but they still maintain their free will
Ewagri (EUNE)
: Ascended vs Aspects
Through the ritual of Ascension granted through the Sun Disc, a mortal becomes an Ascended by getting power from a celestial concept, but without getting possesed by it or merging with it. Thus all their power comes up in an instant (they can get more powerful later on if they learn even more magic but that's it. Their power doesn't grow by itself). Aspects actually merge with the concept itself. The concepts merges with him/her as its host and over time the 2 (the mortal and the concept) merge more and more until they become the same being basically. As a reference think like the servant Ishtar from Fate if you are familiar with the franchise. As a result they have a higher power potential than the Ascended but it takes much longer to reach it.
Mogarl (NA)
: What are you sorry about? Did my statement not come across as what you said? I don't always say what I want to say the best I could.
> [{quoted}](name=Mogarl,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=BGJlcuRQ,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2020-01-10T03:24:37.004+0000) > > What are you sorry about? Did my statement not come across as what you said? I don't always say what I want to say the best I could. You said that in order to match the Dauntless Vanguard levels of training and discipline you'd need to look at the Trifarian Legion but they get outmatched by the DV there too per quality.
Mogarl (NA)
: Sylas knew a back way in, and through that backway slipped a small frejlordian warband. Not to insult the majority of Noxus war parties, but I think A frejlord group has a much higher success rate in this due to the stealth advantage. Despite that Lux and Garen still managed to get there for a response (Whether the soldiers shown are Dauntless Vanguard or just common soldiers idk). A large Noxus force would be met with a large and prepared Demacian force. A common Demacian soldier is still better trained and disciplined than a common Noxus soldier. You probably need to go up to a Trifarix soldier to even approach the training and discipline of someone in the Dauntless Vanguard. If Noxus takes control of the Frejlord then they could probably use numbers tactics in addition to passes through the mountains in order to pressure Demacia into defeat, but at the moment they have to get through a well fortified front that is always under watch. If you look at the map you'll see that Noxus basically has to go through the three mountain passes (all of which are also split by rivers). So they lose their massive army bonus if they ever try to take Demacia. Evident by some of the narrative and the map; Demacia also pushes Noxian control back away from it's borders without taking control of the towns, cities, and kingdoms themselves.
> [{quoted}](name=Mogarl,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=BGJlcuRQ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2020-01-09T20:15:28.347+0000) > > Sylas knew a back way in, and through that backway slipped a small frejlordian warband. Not to insult the majority of Noxus war parties, but I think A frejlord group has a much higher success rate in this due to the stealth advantage. Despite that Lux and Garen still managed to get there for a response (Whether the soldiers shown are Dauntless Vanguard or just common soldiers idk). A large Noxus force would be met with a large and prepared Demacian force. > > A common Demacian soldier is still better trained and disciplined than a common Noxus soldier. You probably need to go up to a Trifarix soldier to even approach the training and discipline of someone in the Dauntless Vanguard. I'm sorry but a dauntless vanguard is for sure better trained and disciplined than a Trifarian. I'd say DV>>Trifarian Legionaire>Average Demacian soldier>>>Average Noxian soldier Demacia p much has the most elite army on Runeterra albeit it's like the most outnumbered among the big factions. Noxus is the exact opposite relying more on numbers and having a lot of tools at their disposal
: Watching Sylas invade Demacia makes me wonder if they'd have any chance against Noxus at all.
1. The Demacians there were just the garnison for the outpost as far as it looks like 2. Iceborns. Those fuckers are superhuman like cmon no shit they were winning. And they came from the Winterclaw who is like the harshest tribe in Freljord. As a reference, Darius only managed to pull off a stalemate in Freljord and his son supposedly fucking died there. 3. Per average a Demacian soldier would still equal like 5 Noxian soldiers. An Iceborn would do the same.
FSRER (EUNE)
: Wow...I got chills running down my spine from this. Warriors was such a amazing song... But I have a major complain as well...Garen! Come on Riot! Garen, one of the strongest (if not the strongest) warrior in Demacia, who we have seen break through Noxian lines, hundreds of them like they were nothing, the same guy that was able to move a giant statue like it was nothing, taking one punch from Sylas and flying to the other side of the place...come on! Sylas doesn't have any magic to affect his melee capabilities and even if he had, he shouldn't be able to take on Garen 1 on 1. And again, in the last scene in the Frejlord, has Lux done any good by calling Galio into the fight? Galio is a petricite golem and since his creation, he has been in countless fights and what does Sylas do best? Absorb magic from any surface meaning that just by a touch, Sylas could potentialy absorb all the magic that Galio has absorbed in all those ages and since so far we have not seen Sylas being overcharged by magic, he would literally be unstoppable (and as a side note...Garen really has to get a new sword to carry on such missions..) And another thing. Demacian soldiers have been fighting Barbarians from the Frejlord since forever so I also have doubts on how these barbarians would be able to put up a fight with the elite trained Demacian soldiers. But again, amazing video with amazing artwork If only the game was half as good...
> [{quoted}](name=FSRER,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=gOEPGij9,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2020-01-09T13:26:16.033+0000) > > Wow...I got chills running down my spine from this. Warriors was such a amazing song... > But I have a major complain as well...Garen! Come on Riot! Garen, one of the strongest (if not the strongest) warrior in Demacia, who we have seen break through Noxian lines, hundreds of them like they were nothing, the same guy that was able to move a giant statue like it was nothing, taking one punch from Sylas and flying to the other side of the place...come on! Sylas doesn't have any magic to affect his melee capabilities and even if he had, he shouldn't be able to take on Garen 1 on 1. And again, in the last scene in the Frejlord, has Lux done any good by calling Galio into the fight? Galio is a petricite golem and since his creation, he has been in countless fights and what does Sylas do best? Absorb magic from any surface meaning that just by a touch, Sylas could potentialy absorb all the magic that Galio has absorbed in all those ages and since so far we have not seen Sylas being overcharged by magic, he would literally be unstoppable (and as a side note...Garen really has to get a new sword to carry on such missions..) > And another thing. Demacian soldiers have been fighting Barbarians from the Frejlord since forever so I also have doubts on how these barbarians would be able to put up a fight with the elite trained Demacian soldiers. > But again, amazing video with amazing artwork > If only the game was half as good... Well the Freljordians were from winterclaw and since they wore nothing except pants and helmets I think it's safe to assume they were Iceborns which is why they were winning before Galio came in.
: Year of the Rat!
Fucking Skavens smh
: Names of The Continents
The names are irrelevant because sooner or later everything will be Shurima anyways. ALL HAIL SHURIMA {{champion:268}}
: Yeah, but Vi also has that whole "standing between 2 worlds" thing going on. ___________________ JK, there is no main character, all the champions have their own narrative.
> [{quoted}](name=Chembaron Yamada,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=UTNO9w1B,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2020-01-06T02:38:00.213+0000) > > Yeah, but Vi also has that whole "standing between 2 worlds" thing going on. > > ___________________ > > JK, there is no main character, all the champions have their own narrative. Oh yeah the 2 worlds also known as the golden city of technological progress and the shithole called Zaun. Srsly at this point why didn't most of Zaun emigrate
vimaid (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=UTNO9w1B,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2020-01-05T06:20:42.493+0000) > > The league lore is not supposed to be a superhero kind of thing. > Also MC is {{champion:79}} nah real mc is{{champion:254}} she has a sad backstory and not fights for justice with fists
> [{quoted}](name=vimaid,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=UTNO9w1B,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2020-01-05T08:32:34.228+0000) > > nah real mc is{{champion:254}} she has a sad backstory and not fights for justice with fists > sad backstory > sad Boo hoo hoo look at like all the Ascended, Brand, Ryze, Shen, and many more
: who is the main character of league of legends tbh
The league lore is not supposed to be a superhero kind of thing. Also MC is {{champion:79}}
Falrein (EUW)
: I know what you're doing Pri. It won't work on me :')
> [{quoted}](name=Falrein,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=aEnOX51v,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2020-01-04T19:19:57.789+0000) > > I know what you're doing Pri. It won't work on me :') Are you that delusional to belive Syndra and Zed won't be able to make each other grow in character and learn from their mistakes or are you just triggered that I spew out the truth about how Zed is superior to Syndra?
: Zed and Syndra
I agree with you 100%. They could work very well as a couple to show that Ionia's BS is not so bright afterall. He could also teach her more on how to control her magic, although I don't think she'll ever get on his level
: If one Region took control of the rest of the Runeterra, which Region would you prefer to do so?
Shurima because I love that region. Clearly not Ionia because it's boring asf with the whole pacifist thing going on.
d00mface (EUW)
: What unused concepts would you like to see in game someday?
The Shuriman wizard that was scrapped in favour of Aphelios
: What's your favorite (and optionally least favorite) faction(s) in terms of style/design/etc?
Personal top 3: **Shurima** By far my number 1. I just love the Ancient Egypt aesthethic, it's magic and all the magical shit it has, all the gold, architecture, the Ascended, Azir, history etc. I never get bored theory crafting it because it holds so much potential. I really hope more of it's potential is shown in LoR when it's added to show more of its aesthethic and awesome shit it has and may have (like the weapons and armors, how the soldiers and warriors look, more huge beasts and magical constructs and siege weaponry, maybe the Sun Priests?) And also as a Warhammer player, *SETTRA DOES NOT SERVE* **Freljord** Elemental spirit gods, Vikings, Ice magic imbued superhumans, what's not to love about this? The aesthethic rly fits them too. The Frostguard are imo the coolest tribe in Freljord **Noxus** While it's not on par with Shurima and Freljord for me, they still have cool aesthethics and elements to their faction, especially military, that makes them cool Personal bottom 3: **Ionia** While I love the East Asian theme and aesthethic usually, I feel like it's wasted with Ionia, making them pacifists with no standing armies and shit. They are also given basically no flaws which doesn't help in making them more, and I have....a personal bias against its champions (I wonder why /s) **Bilgewater** I just personally don't find anything interesting about it. Unlike other nations which while inspired from irl themes but added some unique elements to them, Bilgewater is literally just....pirates. All the unique stuff about it is not even in the city itself. I don't have a third because I love league lore in general with a few exceptions and besides those 2 there isn't any faction I truly dislike (since Bandle has no lore at all lmao) Others: **Demacia** Good aesthethic and theme as well as military details. Interesting lore overall although I'd wish for Lux to stop getting so much content like she is the main character **Targon** Good aesthethic and setting, although except for Panth and Zoe the Aspects don't seem influential at all in Runeterra when it's their job to be. **Shadow Isles** Very cool setting and tons of potential for spooky monstrosities, as well as a v interesting history. Overall I like it a lot **Ixtal** Aesthethic is smooth and nice, I love the theme of ancient civilisations, and them being master elementalists is also something I like a lot since I love magic in Runeterra. Overall it holds great potential but it has yet to be shown **The Void** Ngl I'm not a big fan of the Void itself. I like it as a threat tho. It rly sells the whole world ending threat theme
: True... I missed some stories by Graham, but Anthony kept delivering this year. At least there is hope with "Monstrous" eventually.
> [{quoted}](name=LordRedStone Nr1,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=GZwPTeRs,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-12-31T17:05:17.692+0000) > > True... I missed some stories by Graham, but Anthony kept delivering this year. At least there is hope with "Monstrous" eventually. Yeah Graham def won last year. Although if we count RoR he also put out some good stories too
: Frejilord is a vast region, but scarcely populated. Harsher the land, more space per individual is needed for sustenance; I don't think nordic tribes are very numerous. We can roughly estimate them to be as many as in a florid but small nation like Demacia. Now take in account that only a small percentage of those can be an iceborn warrior (3-6%?); if the Frostguard is not content with Iceborns only, but requires "elite" ones, they should represent a percentage of a percentage. I do believe the Frostguard is fearsome in quality, but i don't think they have the quantity to stand against a great nation's army (Lissandra, obviously, excluded). If we were to theorize a fight between the entirety of the Frejiloridans factions and Demacia (outside Demacia fortified domains and outside the chilling north), then I think it would be a fair fight. ------- You're right, Shurima has several groups of bandits and marauders, but they're not an organized force and would be crushed in any warfare; I'd argue that criminals and murderers raiding the land weaken, and not strenghten, a nation's military capabilities. About Shuriman mages, I don't have any information which is not speculation. Azir is sure thinking about an army, but 5 years are quite a short time to build an institution, a hierarchy, and to train a lot of soldiers. Also, he has been super busy giving refuge to the nomads running from Xerath. If we take out godlike leaders, probably Shurima is by far the weakest region in Runeterra. How I said, the empire is long lost and each tribe is on their own and against each other; the costal, good-for-trade part of Shurima is a Noxian colony, and the only reason Noxus hasn't conquered it all it's because they have no interest in a desert: they'd rather benefit from buying resources for cheap than to invade a non profitable, non manageable, huge land and risk the unification of a fragmented society against them. -------- For Ixtal, we'll see. They came out of nowhere and have little more than a bitch of an empress wannabe. Their mage forces on paper look terrifying nontheless. ---------- Galio is situational, but determining. In the lore, he's dummy powerful. His presence makes any mage in an huge radius lose all their power, which is return used to activate him. And he's basically an huge building that can FLY, NOSEDIVE and PUNCH an entire army out of the field in an instant. How do you even deal with such a weapon, if not by avoiding it? About petricite, it is effective and reliable, but it does saturate. In Mordekaiser's color story, a Demacian officer wearing Demacian steel armor facetanks necromantic sorcery being completely unaffected by it. And we both know Mordekaiser is no joke. What happens in Sylas and Lux comic is more an explanation of what Petricite can do and how it can be used; before Sylas abused it thanks to Durand's studies, Petricite has been the centerpiece of Demacia's military for centuries, so I'd argue it is something an army can count on despite the recent events.
> [{quoted}](name=GelsominoKiller,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=16OgB7Eu,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-30T20:55:31.060+0000) > > Frejilord is a vast region, but scarcely populated. Harsher the land, more space per individual is needed for sustenance; I don't think nordic tribes are very numerous. We can roughly estimate them to be as many as in a florid but small nation like Demacia. Now take in account that only a small percentage of those can be an iceborn warrior (3-6%?); if the Frostguard is not content with Iceborns only, but requires "elite" ones, they should represent a percentage of a percentage. I do believe the Frostguard is fearsome in quality, but i don't think they have the quantity to stand against a great nation's army (Lissandra, obviously, excluded). If we were to theorize a fight between the entirety of the Frejiloridans factions and Demacia (outside Demacia fortified domains and outside the chilling north), then I think it would be a fair fight. A united Freljord would destroy Demacia ngl. They outnumber Demacians, and the Frostguard has an Iceborn army and as I said before, they are more elite than even the Dauntless Vanguards. > ------- > > You're right, Shurima has several groups of bandits and marauders, but they're not an organized force and would be crushed in any warfare; I'd argue that criminals and murderers raiding the land weaken, and not strenghten, a nation's military capabilities. About Shuriman mages, I don't have any information which is not speculation. Azir is sure thinking about an army, but 5 years are quite a short time to build an institution, a hierarchy, and to train a lot of soldiers. Also, he has been super busy giving refuge to the nomads running from Xerath. If we take out godlike leaders, probably Shurima is by far the weakest region in Runeterra. How I said, the empire is long lost and each tribe is on their own and against each other; the costal, good-for-trade part of Shurima is a Noxian colony, and the only reason Noxus hasn't conquered it all it's because they have no interest in a desert: they'd rather benefit from buying resources for cheap than to invade a non profitable, non manageable, huge land and risk the unification of a fragmented society against them. Mercenaries and raiders can easly be bought with coin so they would stop raiding and join the army, and Azir has a shit ton of gold. It was also shown in Realms of Runeterra that he can actually transmute sand to gold. Azir is stonks asf. He doesn't rly need to train people a lot since most already have combat experience. And the ones who don't can be trained by the ones who do. 5 years is quite a lot of time to do that too (and giving refuge should not take much time at all tbh. Open the gates, let them in, integrate the warriors into the army, etc). Also Shurima being by far the weakest nation is......wrong asf. Bilgewater is small asf and doesn't use magic, Piltover is also v small although they do have tech advantage, Ionia still has almost no standing armies with very few exceptions. And not all of the Northern coast was conquered by Noxus. Nashramae for example was never conquered and it is a rich coastal city. So there has to be a reason for it So overall the potential is there. It's nothing certain tho because we don't have much info on what Azir has been doing those past 5 years > -------- > > For Ixtal, we'll see. They came out of nowhere and have little more than a bitch of an empress wannabe. Their mage forces on paper look terrifying nontheless. That bitch is not even their empress just some idiot trying to become one > ---------- > > Galio is situational, but determining. In the lore, he's dummy powerful. His presence makes any mage in an huge radius lose all their power, which is return used to activate him. And he's basically an huge building that can FLY, NOSEDIVE and PUNCH an entire army out of the field in an instant. How do you even deal with such a weapon, if not by avoiding it? Eh? They never lost any power by his presence. It was just that he was activated then went to crush said mage. > About petricite, it is effective and reliable, but it does saturate. In Mordekaiser's color story, a Demacian officer wearing Demacian steel armor facetanks necromantic sorcery being completely unaffected by it. And we both know Mordekaiser is no joke. What happens in Sylas and Lux comic is more an explanation of what Petricite can do and how it can be used; before Sylas abused it thanks to Durand's studies, Petricite has been the centerpiece of Demacia's military for centuries, so I'd argue it is something an army can count on despite the recent events. Mordekaiser's pre-rework old color story is not canon anymore. Petricite has been shown to have limits and it is even stated as such in Realms of Runeterra
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=OqmyhggQ,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2019-12-30T08:05:29.918+0000) > > Her fighting them as a mortal and winning is something borderline impossible, and if she does win that I call BS plotarmor bad writing. And again the "hurr durrr let's introduce irl politics in lore" is a purely bad decision. You want democracy? Go to Ionia. Don't make 2 nations be the same You're pretty stuck on things being a certain way, huh?
> [{quoted}](name=Caretaker Jack,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=OqmyhggQ,comment-id=000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-30T23:44:38.400+0000) > > You're pretty stuck on things being a certain way, huh? P much yeah. Mainly because I want Shurima to be unique. The god emperor thingy is what makes them unique. Ascended are core to Shurima's identity. Changing that wouldn't be a good idea at all imo. Plus, Taliyah taking over and establishing a democracy would close so many possible plotlines for the future that it would feel like the worst decision. You want the young take over theme? You have Freljord for that. You want the power for the people theme? You have Ionia for that. No other nation has a unifier god emperor or Ascended tho.
: > [{quoted}](name=Lewanor,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nGfl2qxN,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-30T16:20:15.037+0000) > > * Taunt against Piltover: ***The truth beneath the gilding. Only war, can bring profit.*** Tamara noted that as well: Piltover could easily win most wars if they wanted to, but they choose not to go to war. > [{quoted}](name=Progress Day,realm=Graham McNeill,timestamp=2016-12-02T08:00:00.000+000) > >A hextech crystal. > >The crystal is no bigger than her thumbnail, but it is the future. > >This is what could make the clans of Piltover rulers of the world if they so desired. This shows how powerful Hextech weapons are, but it also means Piltover is not prepared for war nor do they want one. Did something happen that could have changed their minds, that could have made them attack Ixtal?
> [{quoted}](name=LordRedStone Nr1,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nGfl2qxN,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-30T17:04:19.171+0000) > > Tamara noted that as well: Piltover could easily win most wars if they wanted to, but they choose not to go to war. > > This shows how powerful Hextech weapons are, but it also means Piltover is not prepared for war nor do they want one. > Did something happen that could have changed their minds, that could have made them attack Ixtal? The fact that they didn't and possibly don't yet know about the true power Ixtal holds may be a reason. They may have just wanted more territory or resources in the jungle
: There are far more important concerns. Client stability for example is a train wreck.
> [{quoted}](name=G0blinSlay3r,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=kTEt8Mdl,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-12-30T08:28:47.172+0000) > > There are far more important concerns. > Client stability for example is a train wreck. Different teams at Riot working on different things. It's not the lore teams's fault that the team that is supposed to be working on the game's stability is smoking weed instead
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=OqmyhggQ,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-12-29T21:15:18.765+0000) > > About 2 and 3. > She may not want to follow him but that doesn't mean she would want to rule. > And the justification is because ppl that like her like her for her human character True, but if Tali beat them, I doubt she would rule as a goddess... She would likely turn power over to the people. Heck, she might actually reject ascension and fight them as a mere mortal.
> [{quoted}](name=Caretaker Jack,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=OqmyhggQ,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2019-12-29T22:59:03.396+0000) > > True, but if Tali beat them, I doubt she would rule as a goddess... She would likely turn power over to the people. Heck, she might actually reject ascension and fight them as a mere mortal. Her fighting them as a mortal and winning is something borderline impossible, and if she does win that I call BS plotarmor bad writing. And again the "hurr durrr let's introduce irl politics in lore" is a purely bad decision. You want democracy? Go to Ionia. Don't make 2 nations be the same
: Let me take part in the discussion: - Frejilordians are a fragmented society of barbarians with several infighting tribes. The Frostguard is a fearsome organization but the only real threat to an entire nation's army is Lissandra, which is one of the mightiest beings in the whole universe. Take into account that iceborns are few compared to the rest of the population. - Shurima is a conglomeration of nomadic tribes with no notion of identity and community. Only now Azir is starting to rebuild the empire, but it is to be expected that any military force is quite immature yet. This not even considering the ongoing civil war with Xerath. Similarly as the Frostguard, the only real threat is a godlike leader. - We truly don't know much about Ixtal, but they're struggling with Piltover guilds' land exploitation, so I don't think they're a military force to be reckoned with, or else they wouldn't have trouble defending their borders from tree cutters. As a complementary note, I'd argue that Demacia's specific strength tend to nullify the strongest points of any of those above. With a powerhouse like Galio around, Iceborns would become standard foes and Ixtal mages civilians; I am unsure how an Ascended or Lissandra would behave, though. Demacia military strength has three pillars: - an elite, highly coordinated professional, albeit small force of nobles with top tier equipment - anti-magic in everything: weapons, armors, land, fortresses. - the only known air force in the world (wyvers riders) If you were to fight Demacia the only real way would be in conventional warfare, with a bigger army, and possibly outside of their fortified territory. The only real contender here is Noxus.
> [{quoted}](name=GelsominoKiller,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=16OgB7Eu,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-30T00:17:37.800+0000) > > Let me take part in the discussion: > > - Frejilordians are a fragmented society of barbarians with several infighting tribes. The Frostguard is a fearsome organization but the only real threat to an entire nation's army is Lissandra, which is one of the mightiest beings in the whole universe. Take into account that iceborns are few compared to the rest of the population. > > - Shurima is a conglomeration of nomadic tribes with no notion of identity and community. Only now Azir is starting to rebuild the empire, but it is to be expected that any military force is quite immature yet. This not even considering the ongoing civil war with Xerath. Similarly as the Frostguard, the only real threat is a godlike leader. > > - We truly don't know much about Ixtal, but they're struggling with Piltover guilds' land exploitation, so I don't think they're a military force to be reckoned with, or else they wouldn't have trouble defending their borders from tree cutters. > > As a complementary note, I'd argue that Demacia's specific strength tend to nullify the strongest points of any of those above. With a powerhouse like Galio around, Iceborns would become standard foes and Ixtal mages civilians; I am unsure how an Ascended or Lissandra would behave, though. > > Demacia military strength has three pillars: > - an elite, highly coordinated professional, albeit small force of nobles with top tier equipment > - anti-magic in everything: weapons, armors, land, fortresses. > - the only known air force in the world (wyvers riders) > If you were to fight Demacia the only real way would be in conventional warfare, with a bigger army, and possibly outside of their fortified territory. The only real contender here is Noxus. I see I finally found someone worth responding to. Let's begin While the Iceborns are indeed rare in Freljord, the Frostguard gathered Iceborns from ALL ACROSS Freljord. They are literally full of Iceborns. And each one is elite. An average Draklorn killed a warmother Iceborn. That's how elite they are. About Shurima, it is not consisted only by nomadic tribes. That assumption is wrong. It is also consisted of cities, mercenaries, raiders, etc. And Azir has begun that process like 5 years ago timeline wise. Lots can be accomplished in 5 years especially with magic. So the possibility is there depending on the progress he made. Ixtal is "struggling" because atm they wanna keep their secrecy going. Piltover never attacked a serious group of Ixaocan mages nor something more than a small settlement. Galio is a situational factor because he can't be everywhere at once, and I'd say Azir or Lissandra would defeat him. Demacian steel and petricite do offer protection against magic, but the protection is limited. There were several instances where it failed. Ex: Galio's bio, Galio's color story, several instances in Lux's comic, Sylas's story as a child, etc. And while Demacian soldiers truly are the most elite in the world for normal soldier standards, even more so for the Dauntless Vanguard, I'd say that the Frostguards are even more elite and powerful, Shurimans also may have acces to a lot of magic (note the may), and Ixaocans are literally thousands of mages with a shit ton of magical knowledge.
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