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: The post was about overloaded items, I'm looking at passive effects that synergize with their stats, which AD items tend to do more than others. I had forgotten about the protobelt though lol, I see the snowball mark spell used more often so it didn't occur to me. Crystal scepter and rod of ages have been nerfed from their prime years ago and are more or less used as crutches for shorter ranged mages that lack the tools to keep up with more mobile opponents, I have seen a few abuse cases for artillery mages but not many people bother with such a gold investment from what I've seen. https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-513-notes#patch-items https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-69-notes#patch-mage-itemization https://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-624-notes#patch-items And nice to see someone catch the joke item, just making sure readers pay attention, ohmwrecker needs a rework again anyway. Hold up, you've seen people take hourglass against pyke? Karhus I understand, but pyke stacking lethality will quickly ignore it's armor and his ult will be on a shorter cooldown. It's possible to near always deal true damage on any physical melee using conqueror, black cleaver, mortal reminder, and a combination of lethality items; how is that not generalistic? But since you're skeptical in general consider these: -With how excessively prevalent cooldown reduction is, adaptive helm is deceptively strong against most mages do to spammability and combo reliance, also it's the counterpoint to liandry's torment. -Black cleaver itself is incredibly gold efficient, and it's armor shredding passive is a debuff applied on any physical damage including splash from the hydra and hurricane items, not to mention allowing allies to benefit from the reduced durability too. -Guardian's angel is picked as often as hourglass for it's denial of kills, and similarly decides games by nullifying ultimates. -Mikael's crucible gives a plethora of sustainability for any support, and removes all crowd control short of displacements on an ally but gives brief immunity to slows. Combined with mercurial scimitar it becomes quite problematic to pin down some champions, but that's not as much of a generalist item as it is a counterpick, which is why I didn't include it.
zhonyas is 96.4% gold effective without the active. for how good the active it it's way too gold efficient. for example, GA is 84% gold efficient without the passive and maw is 89%. that is my biggest problem with zhonyas. way too many stats for how much it costs and for how good the active is.
: > [{quoted}](name=7deadleesinss,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M6Ftise8,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-11-09T17:52:29.262+0000) > > i clearly stated that in my post. its a combination of banshees passive being very bad and zhonyas active beeing rly good and the item being very gold efficient. if banshees worked like sivir e i would buy it vs fizz, malph, zac, ahri, etc... Thats exactly why. The item lacks a proper ability.
hey man, just to give you some clarity on where im coming from. GA is 84.82% gold efficient when it´s passive is on cooldown. Zhonya's is 96.48% gold efficient when it's active is on cooldown. zhonya's and ga are comparable items and their purpose is the same: help you stay alive. however, not only does zhonyas's active better than GA's passive( more variety of use and much shorter cooldown. you can use zhonyas 2 times and have 1 minute to spare while ga passive is on cd) but the item is also a lot more gold efficient even without the active. an adc or a bruiser has to spend 5 minutes with a very gold inefficient item while a mage only stays 2 minutes with a fairly gold efficient item. that's my problem with it. if riot makes the item less efficient in terms of stats to compensate for the incredibly strong active the item becomes much more balanced. most other items that have a defensive mechanic are very gold inefficient( GA, Maw, PD,etc...) except for zhonyas. as i said, for such a good active, it gives way too many stats for how much it cost's. increase its price or lower the stats. for example, why does that item even give cdr? why is it even a thing?
: > [{quoted}](name=ZephyrDrake,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PjB4XNO0,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-29T21:23:07.143+0000) > > Actually yes conqueror. The rune is designed for extended fights, the longer the fight the better. Every single dps champion should be able to use conqueror. They might have a better keystone but that doesn't mean that they can't use conqueror. That and honestly how many mages can actually maximize this rune efficiently? Only {{champion:69}} {{champion:13}} and {{champion:30}} come to mind because they have a spammable ability. It'd be one thing if mages were dominating the charts with Conqueror but they aren't, hell it would be another thing if it were efficient on most mages, but it isn't.
swain r, akali, katarina, azir,
: >so precision is a tree that is supposed to be good for auto attackers right? I'm pretty sure Riot wanted it for sustained DPS. If Ryze (as an example) is doing DPS, seems like he should be able to use the tree, no?
he can stack it faster than a bruiser because abilities give 2 stacks while staying at safer range.
: Bruisers are just buttmad that a couple of mages can make use of "their" rune. It's not your rune, at no point did anyone of significance say it was a "bruiser" rune, and if someone else can make use of it, so be it. It is the exact same waffling I hear about {{item:3071}} because all of 2 ADCs build it with any notable regularity {{champion:236}} {{champion:21}}.
im not saying other people cant use it, the problem is the precision tree itself is made for autoattackers. the problem is the concept of adaptive force always favors ap users. there are ap bruisers that use it on a healthy way because they need to get in melee range. however, since abilities give 2 stacks, champions like ryze, swain, cassio stack it giga fast and abuse it in a non-healthy way.
Mortismo (EUW)
: Ryze isnt even that good with conqueror compared to the mobility of phase rush
trust me it is rly good. swain is also bonkers with it
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GreenKnight (EUNE)
: Do you know how long it takes to gather those 100 souls? It's not a walk in the park, dude. (You forgot lifesteal on her scaling, btw)
i got it in 20 minutes. if you play correctly and u harrass people its rly ez.
: carry supports need a way to scale. Would you rather her have a half hp execute after 1 item that generates kill gold for your team? No, no you don't {{champion:555}}
unlike pyke, who needs items, senna gets stats from mist and is relevant with no items. as i said, with 100 mist she has 100 bonus ad, 75% crit and 725 range, which means she outranges everybody in the game. on top of that getting 300 gold feels like a bit too much
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: Bad components? Phage is often a rush item since it can make up for a lack of boots early game with it's speedboost on hit, and kindlegem gives cdr. I'm more concerned with finished items, as there's plenty of problems with the vast majority of items about multiple slots being wasted on components. Adaptive helm has cdr by the way; GA is often picked up by champions that already have either several or a significant safety net making it frustrating to shutdown said user. Sure you're not thinking of zzrot portal being removed? Most zeal items give critical hit chance lol, but they also often have extra utility ontop of damage amplification, which is why I didn't specify statikk shiv. Lethality only falls off if their target is stacking armor, and lethality itself can be stacked from multiple items and the rune sudden impact, and scales up over the game. https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-622-notes#patch-assassin-itemization I'm well aware of the problem of support items being too gold efficient, seen riot hamstring their core builds on multiple occasions because of being abused by nonsupports. > [{quoted}](name=7deadleesinss,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M6Ftise8,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-09T17:05:16.273+0000) > > however, zhonyas has the strenghts of those items, but none of the weaknesses. its not situational like adaptive helm, it doesnt get ouscaled like duskblade, its good on its own, unlike zeal items, its not inneficient without the active like ga is You sure about that on raw stats, because without the active it only gives 75 AP, 45 armor, and 10% cdr, for 2900 gold. Compare rod of ages after 10 minutes, 100 AP, 400 mana, and 500 HP costing 2600 gold; cooldown reduction is excessively available ever since the mastery and rune merger, and they have similar effective health, but roa gives more power if you're patient, You can thank wolvius for reminding me of it, but I didn't include it because of it's masochistic sustain passive. Also hourglass suppresses the user, preventing movement abilities items and spells; not to mention advertising being setup for combos with it's bright gold sheen and ching sound effect. In this burst or be bursted meta allies are more likely to leave you to die than give coverfire anyway. Ohmwrecker was a joke to make sure you're paying attention lol, it's bloody terrible. The difference between edge of night and banshee's veil, is that the former is an on command spell shield, while the later is passive but has it's cooldown reset whenever you take damage from an enemy champion. Good luck getting more use out of veil if the enemies have any DOTs, AOEs, or global abilities. The inconsistency you mentioned is probably user error (or server error as the last few patches have been unusually unstable), there's a brief channel time to activate edge of night, it's supposed to be a preparation step before tackling an unaware opponent. That and lethality items are pointless on magically inclined assassins. However there's 4 runes that give cdr, possible to have 20% without items. Tanks are just CC bots anyway these days since they don't last in teamfights, and I agree lord dominik's regards is better for burst, but your post was about overloaded items. Mortal reminder cripples sustain and ignores some defense, not everyone builds armor anyway but most have some sort of regeneration.
rod of ages doesnt give you the stats right away, you need to wait 10 minutes, so there is a risk associated with it and a clear win condition. zhonyas has instant power as soon as you build it, builds off of one of the most broken runes in the game, which lowers its cooldown by 15% ( which is much better than the reduced contribution it gives to the combine cost) and with transcendence, you get 20 ap for every 10% extra cdr. i think zhonyas needs to get its cdr removed, cuz the item should not be a great item even without its active as it is currently. banshees and edge should work like sivir e( or like previous edge without channel time), so that if you are good you can win the game for your team by blocking a crucial spell, and if you are bad the item doesnt become any worse than it is now so there is rly no drawbacks.
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D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: you can give him new support tools like what if his passive instead of %hp damage, stacked flat MR reduction on the target that way, it would make him less oppressive toplane because melee bruisers have more MR than squishies and botlane he would be an aggressive support
that would be season 4 soraka mid 2.0. soraka had mr reduction on her q and she was broken. i think he is fine if they revert some of the nerfs and remove w on allies.
Varuset (NA)
: Removing allied devour sounds great tbh, especially considering that particularly in low elo people aren't coordinated enough for devour to work well cuz they're too busy spamming to move away so they get spat out and die anyways. I feel Tahm just works better as an aggressive support, given they make his e not useless.
even in high elo they arent, only in pro play. and even there, his ult is so low range that no matter how coordinated you are , it can legit only take you from bot tier 1 to the center of bot lane, so you cant even dodge any vision because you want to ult behind them but if they are pushed they will see you channeling the r. the thing is pro adc's know how to maximize dmg, but the champs that do the most dmg usually have no mobility and can get jumped on, but with tham they can rly maximize their dps and tear through a fight because they know how to step forward and be agressive without getting caught , and even if they do tham is there to save them.
: His most recent gutting was specifically to make him weaker in top lane because passive stacking on abilities let him permanently outtrade everything but ranged tops. Say his ally devour is removed entirely. What could possibly be done to then make him viable, and not oppressive in top?
tham in toplane is same as mundo. if he gets on top of you he destroys you and he is hard to kill, but if you dodge his tongue( and same for mundo's cleaver) he cant get on top of you. they are very weak to hard cc and get kited easily but can feel unfair if your team comp doesnt have someone who can shred tanks and are a bunch of low range champions with no cc. however, pick vayne or kaisa adc, and cc in both jungle and support( and maybe mid as well) and watch them get kited and shreded to death. his kit is made for toplane, he has nothing that resembles a support kit apart from his w on allies.
Jaspers (EUW)
: His W on Ally is so powerful and needed in pro play the rest of his kit is changed and he's left in a bad state. Now he's sometimes picked in worlds (but you know worlds meta so it's messed up) but I guess that is worth it if he's 46% in rate for the rest of us. Warden's in general all suck at the moment. You get a hooker or nothing. I just had another game of ARAM and tried building AP on him, maxing W and spitting minions at people. Q is useless and you'd be lucky to hit it unless the champ is next to you. Then people moan at me because I as a AP champ I built AP while Shyv on the other team can oneshot my carries with just E in Dragon Form and is Full AP. Did you know Tahm's adaptive damage isn't AP either? It's AD, a magic damage champ doesn't even get AP as his Adaptive stat.
i mean the adaptive dmg part makes sense because he has bonus on hit dmg on his passive and he needs to auto people to use devour. kayle does magic dmg and her adaptive is also ad. a champion can have magic damage and not be good with ap. magic damage means that the ability gets countered by magic resist. look at corki: corki does 95% magic dmg because his q ult and w do magic dmg, his autos are 80% magic and his e is 50% magic 50% physical, yet you dont build any ap on him because his abilities scale better with ad and his auto damage still scales like any other champion( with attack damge and crit) but then 80% of the damage gets converted to magic damage. the only ap item u can build on him is void staff and its only because of the magic penetration, and same with boots. corki is an ad carry that happens to deal a lot of magic dmg
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: Tahm Kench is still dumb, Riot are just avoiding a big issue
tham, if you exclude his w on ally legit has no support abilities. in fact, i would say he works similar to mundo: hard to kill, does a lot of dmg for a tank, but as long as you have hard cc and kite him he does nothing. his kit is made for toplane but they want him to keep his get out of jail for free aspect of his w. remove w on allies and you will see he wont be picked as a support but instead as a toplaner( after some buffs because they completely gutted all other aspects of his kit to keep the w ). also you forgot to mention that if he stuns with his q he cant devour the enemy anymore. tham kench right now is a walking qss with a semi global ult at lvl 11( at lvl 6 his ult can get you from tier 1 bot turret to the middle of bot lane, so its basically useless.) but he was still picked at worlds with varus just because he can devour varus, because otherwise there are much better options than him. they can keep the identity of devouring people, but only on enemies. riot has a tendency to keep a toxic part of a champion in the game and gutting the rest of the kit, instead of removing the issue. they were able to sort of solve the issue on aatrox when they realised that he cant have a revive on his r or he is just too reliable on the hands of a good player and they cant balance him properly. why cant they do that with tham? its impossible to make him balanced with the current w because even if he is completely shit, he can still prevent the enemy team from doing anything because he can just devour them if they engage on a target. please riot, remove devour on allies and accept the fact that tham's kit is made for toplane, not support.
: I'm sorry, but I do have to disagree slightly. I do agree in the fact that the shroud gives her really good surviveability for an assassin, but also she requires some skill to play. Her numbers aren't bonkers high like they were on her release, and the Akali player really has to know what he or she is doing to pull her off. If you falter in laning phase, you die. If you falter in a teamfight, you die. While her q is rather annoying to deal with in the laning phase, she can't q constantly without using her w and leaving her vulnerable. I know posting a differing opinion on the boards is gonna get me downvoted, but I just wanted to say my piece. Make of it what you will and I wish you all the best.
> [{quoted}](name=Harleqynn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2019-11-10T16:00:18.895+0000) > > I'm sorry, but I do have to disagree slightly. I do agree in the fact that the shroud gives her really good surviveability for an assassin, but also she requires some skill to play. Her numbers aren't bonkers high like they were on her release, and the Akali player really has to know what he or she is doing to pull her off. If you falter in laning phase, you die. If you falter in a teamfight, you die. While her q is rather annoying to deal with in the laning phase, she can't q constantly without using her w and leaving her vulnerable. > > I know posting a differing opinion on the boards is gonna get me downvoted, but I just wanted to say my piece. Make of it what you will and I wish you all the best. i stated that she is op once u have some games on her because her mobility and survivability is way too high. her dmg is too consistent for someone that can kill you from full at lvl 6 with 1 rotation.
Jikker (NA)
: I think you mean bot lane mages and not supports. True supports (those classified as such) are things like Braum, Sona, Taric, Tahmmy, Janna, etc.... Swain is a mage that people take bot lane for a "support" role. Same with champs like Brand, Vel'Koz, Xerath, Zyra, Orianna, and Lux and Morgana to some extent (latter two are technically also classified as supports).
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IAcKJkl0,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-12T04:38:49.259+0000) > > I think you mean bot lane mages and not supports. > > True supports (those classified as such) are things like Braum, Sona, Taric, Tahmmy, Janna, etc.... Swain is a mage that people take bot lane for a "support" role. Same with champs like Brand, Vel'Koz, Xerath, Zyra, Orianna, and Lux and Morgana to some extent (latter two are technically also classified as supports). man, nautilus,leona.blitzcrank and alistar can legit 1v1 you with ignite because u cant deal dmg toi them cuz they have aftershock, they cc you and still have respectable base dmg, along with ignite, which in the early game nulifies heal.
: > “bruiser-like kit with assassin levels of damage. “ THIS. MY GOD. It’s literally impossible to trade with her on most champions level 1-4 because of this alone. I’m fine with Akali one shorting me, I’m fine with Akali one shorting my team. It’s fine, she’s an assassin, that’s literally their life’s mission. I’m fine with her shroud (now that the true stealth is gone) and even her mobility. But her ability to consistently trade while having all of those strengths.... that’s where I have an issue. * thanks to her empowered auto attacks being reset by her Q which while both not high in damage, has only a 1.5 second Cooldown between uses, which means she can Q you, leave the ring, and auto attack and the Q is near instantly back up. * you can’t dodge the Q because it’s so instant, and unless you’ve got mobility, you can’t outrun the oncoming auto’s because she gains movespeed and bonus attack range, not to mention the tip of her Q can also slow you making it even easier to trade for free. * She rushes gunblade which has allowed her to be difficult to kill on top of being flighty, scrappy, and murdery * Her shroud gives her back a good chunk of her energy and is a huge deterrent for any auto attack heavy Champions/predictable champions to every fight her (which would actually be fine if it weren’t for the fact that she can also keep fighting due to again, too much damage consistancy) sure someone like Talon has his E and his Ult, but at least when he uses his E to escape he has trouble re-joining the fight, and at least his Ult deters him continuing to fight lest he waist his only in-fight safety option. I’m not a balance expert, but I think her biggest problem truly is this.
> [{quoted}](name=jocomotion,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-11-09T19:57:26.474+0000) > > THIS. MY GOD. It’s literally impossible to trade with her on most champions level 1-4 because of this alone. > I’m fine with Akali one shorting me, I’m fine with Akali one shorting my team. It’s fine, she’s an assassin, that’s literally their life’s mission. I’m fine with her shroud (now that the true stealth is gone) and even her mobility. But her ability to consistently trade while having all of those strengths.... that’s where I have an issue. > > * thanks to her empowered auto attacks being reset by her Q which while both not high in damage, has only a 1.5 second Cooldown between uses, which means she can Q you, leave the ring, and auto attack and the Q is near instantly back up. > > * you can’t dodge the Q because it’s so instant, and unless you’ve got mobility, you can’t outrun the oncoming auto’s because she gains movespeed and bonus attack range, not to mention the tip of her Q can also slow you making it even easier to trade for free. > > * She rushes gunblade which has allowed her to be difficult to kill on top of being flighty, scrappy, and murdery > > * Her shroud gives her back a good chunk of her energy and is a huge deterrent for any auto attack heavy Champions/predictable champions to every fight her (which would actually be fine if it weren’t for the fact that she can also keep fighting due to again, too much damage consistancy) sure someone like Talon has his E and his Ult, but at least when he uses his E to escape he has trouble re-joining the fight, and at least his Ult deters him continuing to fight lest he waist his only in-fight safety option. > > I’m not a balance expert, but I think her biggest problem truly is this. and the thing is her passive restores energy and she uses it 3 times in a full trade and her shroud also restores energy. remove the energy restore and maybe they can give her power somewhere else
: Some people just don't understand that harder to play champions have more rewards. Smh.
> [{quoted}](name=JustDonnyy,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-11-09T20:15:57.593+0000) > > Some people just don't understand that harder to play champions have more rewards. Smh. my friend, akali since her rework has been perma nerfed, they have removed 4/5 features from her kit and she is still pick/ban in high elo/competitive. you dony have to be a rocket scientist to realise that there is a serious issue with balancing this champion.
: The problem is a half decent Akalis simply cannot be ganked once she builds gunblade. Even before then her shroud, her E leap back, and the spammable Q slow makes her a rather hard champ to pressure in lane as a jungler, so she gets freee reign to dictate her laning phase. The biggest fix to her would be to move her slow from her Q into her E charge, so she gets a slow for a gap closer but cannot spam a conal slow for easy escapes on top of her shroud, her E backflip, and gunblade slow. Akali shares the same issue as Zed, their defensive tools don't share cost with their offensive tools and it makes them both lethal and very safe, whereas Katarina/Talon/Fizz have to use their mobility tools to engage and if they do so they don't have them available for a while to disengage. Akali/Zed kits are unhealthy designs. Giving high damage champs too many juking tools and safety will lead to problems. It's why Kai'sa and Xayah became a problem, high damage ADC's with immense amounts of safety tools for their champ class broke them.
> [{quoted}](name=Crescent Dusk,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-11-09T21:37:00.795+0000) > > The problem is a half decent Akalis simply cannot be ganked once she builds gunblade. Even before then her shroud, her E leap back, and the spammable Q slow makes her a rather hard champ to pressure in lane as a jungler, so she gets freee reign to dictate her laning phase. > > The biggest fix to her would be to move her slow from her Q into her E charge, so she gets a slow for a gap closer but cannot spam a conal slow for easy escapes on top of her shroud, her E backflip, and gunblade slow. > > > Akali shares the same issue as Zed, their defensive tools don't share cost with their offensive tools and it makes them both lethal and very safe, whereas Katarina/Talon/Fizz have to use their mobility tools to engage and if they do so they don't have them available for a while to disengage. > > Akali/Zed kits are unhealthy designs. Giving high damage champs too many juking tools and safety will lead to problems. It's why Kai'sa and Xayah became a problem, high damage ADC's with immense amounts of safety tools for their champ class broke them. to be fair, zed needs to use his shadow to trade well, unless he is fed out of control and can straight up ult you and kill you
pudy (NA)
: I have lost over 10+ ranked games due to the new client crashing
i was in diamond promos and now im in plat 4 as well. as if matchmaking in promos wasnt bad enough, the stupid game crash bug doesnt ket you tab out, and if you arent paying attention you dont even realise you crashed. also, im pretty sure that if you dont restart pc and say there, ur team cant remake cuz u didnt disconnect
: Make R1 stun and point and click, where is her mobility now?
> [{quoted}](name=Póppy Chulo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-11-09T19:18:29.243+0000) > > Make R1 stun and point and click, where is her mobility now? or make her have to hit r1 to be able to use r2
: Exactly. She is one of only two top tier assassins in the game. Why change that and make almost ALL assassins trash? Zed is decent but he is one of the most counterable champions in the game (cc and hourglass items). Talon has early pressure but if a team knows to not extend early then he's toast. Rengar, Kha'zix and Eve are strong soloQ picks but are completely absent from serious play, since they lack the pressure other junglers can exert. Fizz is a meme and Katarina's kit is a fossil. Only Qiyana can stand beside Akali in terms of strength.
> [{quoted}](name=NelsieLisnen,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-11-09T18:47:32.249+0000) > > Exactly. She is one of only two top tier assassins in the game. Why change that and make almost ALL assassins trash? Zed is decent but he is one of the most counterable champions in the game (cc and hourglass items). Talon has early pressure but if a team knows to not extend early then he's toast. Rengar, Kha'zix and Eve are strong soloQ picks but are completely absent from serious play, since they lack the pressure other junglers can exert. Fizz is a meme and Katarina's kit is a fossil. Only Qiyana can stand beside Akali in terms of strength. qyianna is also dumb because they gave her a root that is impossible to miss because of that supid mechanic where if you e+ q the q always lands. the root may be short but when u are not rooted you will get ulted into a wall, river or bush and completely murdered. also, for a champ that can kill you with e+q plus rock q , her ult surely is damn good for teamfights.
: Go play Swain supp vs a Xerath rofl.
> [{quoted}](name=Ashe mage AD,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=IAcKJkl0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-09T18:12:00.406+0000) > > Go play Swain supp vs a Xerath rofl. xerath is not a balanced support either, all he has to do is q when the enemy ad is csing and he always lands them
wolvius (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=7deadleesinss,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M6Ftise8,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-11-09T18:00:00.378+0000) > > dude this guy said generalist items and included edge of night and adaptive helm, both situational items. that tells you what kind of person you are dealing with. Well honestly if you need a second tank MR item adaptive helm is probably _better_ choice than abyssal mask with its abysmal range, so I would nearly give him that but thats more to do with how bad tank mr choices are. But yeah pretty bonkers list, its nearly more likely to see banner of command than a last whisper item on a 5 item adc in aram, only marginally more likely to see a mortal reminder in SR. Look at this: https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/4038276804/230344911?tab=overview 40 min aram, 3 adc's no last whisper Edit: grammer was missing better/best.
last whisper is a good item, its never bad because they changed it to be total armor pen, rather than bonus armor pen. the tank items point u made is a very good one. i looked it up the other day, there are more mr items for squishy champs than for tanks, and if ur champ doesnt have mana u only have 2 choices. armor items give a lot more armor and are much better at their job. randuins forces an adc to buy last whisper becuz of the crit dmg reduction, thornail forces u to buy last whisper and lifesteal, sunfire gives good early wave clear, gauntlet is a bit weak but they can solve that if they make the item melee only( they cant buff it becuz ezreal abuses it). tanks have 8 good armor items plus ninja tabi, which is much better at its job than merc treads are because combining 12% less dmg from auto attacks with 20% less dmg from crits is insane. look at how ridiculous this is: tank mr items: adaptive, visage, stoneplate( gives both armor and mr) and abyssal. squishy mr items: maw, wits end, banshees, athenes, mercurial scimitar and mikkaels. and tank supports dont have a single support item that just gives mr. all of them give armor, and some give both, but there is not a single support item for tank supports that only gives mr, and against certain teams, armor is not very good.
: > [{quoted}](name=7deadleesinss,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2019-11-09T17:44:35.908+0000) > > the only other assassin that has high consistent dmg is ekko with his passive, and his burst is not as high: his initial trade is good with eletrocute but he doesnt 1 shot people until 3/4 items. {{champion:121}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:141}} all have very good consistent damage post like 2-3 items. Most of them i think even beat Akali as she relies on her passive a fair bit which interrupts her damage.
> [{quoted}](name=Thefrostyviking,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-11-09T18:35:42.467+0000) > > {{champion:121}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:141}} all have very good consistent damage post like 2-3 items. > > Most of them i think even beat Akali as she relies on her passive a fair bit which interrupts her damage. kha zix needs isolation, rengar needs bushes, kassadin can run out of mana, dont agree with fizz or kayn. diana i think is just burst.
wolvius (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=ZT Xperimentor,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M6Ftise8,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-09T16:56:23.159+0000) > > {{item:3194}} {{item:3071}} {{item:3147}} {{item:3814}} {{item:3026}} {{item:3222}} {{item:3033}} {{item:3056}} {{item:3046}} {{item:3094}} {{item:3085}} {{item:3050}} > There's stronger generalist items for 3k or less. I'm smelling some AP bias from this post no mention of {{item:3152}} (2500), {{item:3116}} {{item:3027}} at all, with proto probably being the 2/3rd most overloaded item in the game competing with trinity after zhonyas. Also ohmwrecker is such a good item that in three years I've seen it the same amount of times as I've seen 'banner of command' in the last year on aram. I don't think any of those (even proto if include mine) is more general purpose item than zhonyas, it's not uncommon to see 3/4 zhonyas if karth/pyke/ is on enemy team.
dude this guy said generalist items and included edge of night and adaptive helm, both situational items. that tells you what kind of person you are dealing with.
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: The reason people buy zhonyas in response to ap burst is because banshee's is fucking trash.
i clearly stated that in my post. its a combination of banshees passive being very bad and zhonyas active beeing rly good and the item being very gold efficient. if banshees worked like sivir e i would buy it vs fizz, malph, zac, ahri, etc...
NY64 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=7deadleesinss,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q1aaPRpw,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-09T17:06:32.870+0000) > > just the fact that he can spit people over the wall is already too much. removing that would be a big step in the right direction. I don’t think he can do that anymore
he cant flash, but if he hugs the baron pit wall people can be spat out to the other side.
: > [{quoted}](name=7deadleesinss,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-09T17:17:51.005+0000) > > are you going to say that her kit is not a bruiser kit? as i said, she has way too much consistent dmg and durability for the level of burst she has. Is she really durable though? Or just extremely hard or even impossible to hit depending on your champ? I´d say the core issue with her is exactly that aspect. For those who cant hit her in her shroud she´s a literal walking nightmare, for someone who can hit and detonate her not so much.' Sure Gunblade lets her heal but really though, if healing was so OP then every ADC would just rush&stack lifesteal and strut around while never dying which most of them cannot. Teamfights? Not as much of a problem there i´d say, if she can win there then most other assassins can win in those situations too......for her its mostly just the 1v1 aspects where she is a huge bully and i´d say where she stands out to be different from other assassins. As for consistent damage,,,,,lot of assassins have it these days.
> [{quoted}](name=Thefrostyviking,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-09T17:27:21.036+0000) > > Is she really durable though? Or just extremely hard or even impossible to hit depending on your champ? I´d say the core issue with her is exactly that aspect. > > For those who cant hit her in her shroud she´s a literal walking nightmare, for someone who can hit and detonate her not so much.' > > Sure Gunblade lets her heal but really though, if healing was so OP then every ADC would just rush&stack lifesteal and strut around while never dying which most of them cannot. > > Teamfights? Not as much of a problem there i´d say, if she can win there then most other assassins can win in those situations too......for her its mostly just the 1v1 aspects where she is a huge bully and i´d say where she stands out to be different from other assassins. > > As for consistent damage,,,,,lot of assassins have it these days. the only other assassin that has high consistent dmg is ekko with his passive, and his burst is not as high: his initial trade is good with eletrocute but he doesnt 1 shot people until 3/4 items.
: > [{quoted}](name=7deadleesinss,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-09T17:17:51.005+0000) > > are you going to say that her kit is not a bruiser kit? as i said, she has way too much consistent dmg and durability for the level of burst she has. Is she really durable though? Or just extremely hard or even impossible to hit depending on your champ? I´d say the core issue with her is exactly that aspect. For those who cant hit her in her shroud she´s a literal walking nightmare, for someone who can hit and detonate her not so much.' Sure Gunblade lets her heal but really though, if healing was so OP then every ADC would just rush&stack lifesteal and strut around while never dying which most of them cannot. Teamfights? Not as much of a problem there i´d say, if she can win there then most other assassins can win in those situations too......for her its mostly just the 1v1 aspects where she is a huge bully and i´d say where she stands out to be different from other assassins. As for consistent damage,,,,,lot of assassins have it these days.
> [{quoted}](name=Thefrostyviking,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-09T17:27:21.036+0000) > > Is she really durable though? Or just extremely hard or even impossible to hit depending on your champ? I´d say the core issue with her is exactly that aspect. > > For those who cant hit her in her shroud she´s a literal walking nightmare, for someone who can hit and detonate her not so much.' > > Sure Gunblade lets her heal but really though, if healing was so OP then every ADC would just rush&stack lifesteal and strut around while never dying which most of them cannot. > > Teamfights? Not as much of a problem there i´d say, if she can win there then most other assassins can win in those situations too......for her its mostly just the 1v1 aspects where she is a huge bully and i´d say where she stands out to be different from other assassins. > > As for consistent damage,,,,,lot of assassins have it these days. to me, a champion is durable if she can zone people for 10 secs like she can. with shroud and zhonyas she just makes so much time while having the threat of killing ur ad carry and getting out with her mobility
Ahri Baka (EUNE)
: No , it's not a bad design , it's unique, she is just overloaded.
> [{quoted}](name=Ahri Baka,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kOVzfmwH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-09T17:16:25.421+0000) > > No , it's not a bad design , it's unique, she is just overloaded. are you going to say that her kit is not a bruiser kit? as i said, she has way too much consistent dmg and durability for the level of burst she has.
: i never said those items are good either, but black cleaver for example has bad components. if you play champs that build it you know how big of a difference it is having phage+kindlegem and having blackcleaver.adaptive helm also has some questionable components and gives no cdr, plus the passive makes it so that it is a very situational item.ga is very inneficient without the active, because the stats it gives are the same as having bf+ chain vest. ohmrecker is gone next patch, zeal items are not good by themselves because you need flat ad to make crits worthwile, duskblade gets outscaled by flat armor and the other items are support items, and those have to be more gold efficient because supports get less income.however, zhonyas has the strenghts of those items, but none of the weaknesses. its not situational like adaptive helm, it doesnt get ouscaled like duskblade, its good on its own, unlike zeal items, its not inneficient without the active like ga is, im not even gonna mention omwhrecked because that item sucks, and its as gold efficient as the support items, despite mages having a lot more income that supports.
oh and my bad , forgot about edge of night. that item, like duskblade, gets outscaled by armor and the active is very inconsistent, similar to banshees. also the fact that it has no cdr means that you dont even build it every game on assassins, only in games where there are no tanks, and i would argue that even with no tanks, lord doms plus ghostblade and duskblade is better for burst.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: Tahm Kench is still dumb, Riot are just avoiding a big issue
just the fact that he can spit people over the wall is already too much. removing that would be a big step in the right direction.
: {{item:3194}} {{item:3071}} {{item:3147}} {{item:3814}} {{item:3026}} {{item:3222}} {{item:3033}} {{item:3056}} {{item:3046}} {{item:3094}} {{item:3085}} {{item:3050}} There's stronger generalist items for 3k or less.
i never said those items are good either, but black cleaver for example has bad components. if you play champs that build it you know how big of a difference it is having phage+kindlegem and having blackcleaver.adaptive helm also has some questionable components and gives no cdr, plus the passive makes it so that it is a very situational item.ga is very inneficient without the active, because the stats it gives are the same as having bf+ chain vest. ohmrecker is gone next patch, zeal items are not good by themselves because you need flat ad to make crits worthwile, duskblade gets outscaled by flat armor and the other items are support items, and those have to be more gold efficient because supports get less income.however, zhonyas has the strenghts of those items, but none of the weaknesses. its not situational like adaptive helm, it doesnt get ouscaled like duskblade, its good on its own, unlike zeal items, its not inneficient without the active like ga is, im not even gonna mention omwhrecked because that item sucks, and its as gold efficient as the support items, despite mages having a lot more income that supports.
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: How to deal with hard feeding teams?
there is a big problem with autofills. it has happened to me and a friend where i queue with primary bot secondary top and he queues primary mid secondary jungle and for some reason i got autofilled mid and he got adc. you can have 4 autofills on your team and the enemy can have all 5 guys on their main role.
Sirsir (NA)
: ***
im not saying they dont need zhonyas, i just think that for an item that costs 2900 gold, it gives way too many stats, the components are rly efficient and the active is insane. it overshadows banshees to the point where you build zhonyas against champions that you are supposed to build banshees.
: garbage ass loading screen bug
when this happens to me i cant even alt+f4, i literally have to terminate my session and relog into my actual computer.
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