BigIdea (NA)
: Tier 4+ unit (Anivia, Brand, Leona) AOE ults
Anivia Q is also a insane bug mess due to it floating so high, 90% of the time it looks like the Q 100% hit but it obv didnt.
: Eh. Most victorious skins aren't that good, even if you let players pick you would still rarely see them in game. I don't really see the point in changing the system now after all these years.
> [{quoted}](name=Hong Kong Annie,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2vTE4cGm,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-10-25T22:52:49.629+0000) > > Eh. Most victorious skins aren't that good, even if you let players pick you would still rarely see them in game. I don't really see the point in changing the system now after all these years. I'm a Orianna otp and i missed last years skin just becuase i didnt play ranked at all and it got announced in the last month.
Moon Mom (NA)
: holy entilted boards members. They were rewards for previous seasons. Aatrox is this years. Get over it.
> [{quoted}](name=Moon Mom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2vTE4cGm,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-10-25T17:11:59.023+0000) > > holy entilted boards members. They were rewards for previous seasons. Aatrox is this years. Get over it. Thank you for brining literally nothing to this discussion. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: That would completely devalue older skins. I don't think you are considering how much more difficult it was to reach Gold in early Seasons. Right now its easier than its ever been. Victorious Jarvan for example, was given in Season 1 when Gold was the top 3% of players. What is it now? Something like 30%?
> [{quoted}](name=KVbqbFsC8e,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2vTE4cGm,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-24T19:22:24.804+0000) > > That would completely devalue older skins. I don't think you are considering how much more difficult it was to reach Gold in early Seasons. Right now its easier than its ever been. Victorious Jarvan for example, was given in Season 1 when Gold was the top 3% of players. What is it now? Something like 30%? well then maybe not EVERY previous skin but lets say the past year or 2. It would just give people a greater reason to improve. 'I didnt manage to earn the skin i wanted this year, oh but thats okay ill try even harder because i know that i still have a chance to get it next year' progress feels good.
Comentários de Rioters
: I think riot is doing a great job there buffing champions everyone loves like vayne,cho,mundo and only giving vague reasons as to why they wont nerf riven, They said there not making nexus blitz permanent a mode a lot of people wanted to be permanent. The kayle rework where riot changed how kayle looked and made it worst for a stupid reason that makes no sense. The new fucking ivern skin how in gods name did that make it into the game like riot should of just cancelled it like it just pissed off ivern players and is probably the worst skin in the game while close to it. They have said nothing about matchmaking problems in ranked that I see people complaining about. They have said nothing about the seemingly increasing problem of people giving up in ranked and the large amount of trolling in games. I feel like season 9's biggest problem is not balancing but how riot has handled there communication has been terrible only giving vague reasons to things or no reasons at all for unpopular changes. Like if riot give the exact reason as to way and how vayne was buffed it probably would of gone much better and nexus blitz is also a great example since the reasons for it not being permanent could easily be applied to TTT.
Who the fuck loves mundo and cho {{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}}
Poske (EUNE)
: As a Yasuo main his windwall shouldn't be )))))))))))) ((((((((((( Shaped
How about, just remove the champ. Problem solved, everyone's happy.
: Because “fun had” is a subjective measure. For every person that doesn’t have fun playing against x champion, there’s another that does. Likewise, for every matchup that isn’t fun for one champion, there’s another that goes the exact opposite way for another. While this is a game, which are supposed to be fun, this is also a competition. You can’t put too much stake in balancing for subjectivity, as that won’t actually balance anything. All it does is enforce bias. The fact that you believe this: > I really felt this when the Rioter posted the stats with champion nameplates off asking the community for balance choices. It'd be very sad day if that's actually how they think the game should be balanced. Champion nameplates should be on. Some champions are inherently more problematic and require more immediate attention, even with lower win rates. Demonstrates that you don’t have the right mindset to be balancing anything. Balance is just that: balance. You don’t use personal bias to nerf something just because you don’t like it. > Stop trying to "argue" with the community. You know the stats and game better than us. If doing what you're currently doing is making the game better (increasing # of players). Then go right ahead. Ignore the boards/reddit/streamers. But if it's actually hurting the game - then maybe try and change something up? And that’s precisly what they’re doing: trying to improve the game. The point of showing those blind statistics is to *educate* the player base, not to argue with them. It’s to help them understand in some aspect what balancing a game as complex as league actually entails. > You are game designers. You should understand things at a deeper level. Balance to make the game as fun as possible. Are you not doing the same thing, except this time *without* the knowledge and skills of a game designer? All you are looking at is superficial aspects of “ban rates” or “fun”, ignoring if things are actually strong or weak. Balance is to make things *balanced*. Sure, in some cases that may be what’s most fun. Other times it won’t be. If I’m playing Nautilus or Ashe against an Olaf, it feels like shit. But I know Olaf is designed like that *in order* to make those champs feel like shit. It’s what countering means. If I pick a carry top or an ADC like Kalista or Lucian, Olaf becomes much less of a pain point.
> [{quoted}](name=Wilk Łucznik,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=t2q356dT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-07T15:40:18.567+0000) > > Because “fun had” is a subjective measure. > > For every person that doesn’t have fun playing against x champion, there’s another that does. Likewise, for every matchup that isn’t fun for one champion, there’s another that goes the exact opposite way for another. > > While this is a game, which are supposed to be fun, this is also a competition. You can’t put too much stake in balancing for subjectivity, as that won’t actually balance anything. All it does is enforce bias. > > The fact that you believe this: > > Demonstrates that you don’t have the right mindset to be balancing anything. Balance is just that: balance. You don’t use personal bias to nerf something just because you don’t like it. > > And that’s precisly what they’re doing: trying to improve the game. The point of showing those blind statistics is to *educate* the player base, not to argue with them. It’s to help them understand in some aspect what balancing a game as complex as league actually entails. > > Are you not doing the same thing, except this time *without* the knowledge and skills of a game designer? All you are looking at is superficial aspects of “ban rates” or “fun”, ignoring if things are actually strong or weak. > > Balance is to make things *balanced*. Sure, in some cases that may be what’s most fun. Other times it won’t be. If I’m playing Nautilus or Ashe against an Olaf, it feels like shit. But I know Olaf is designed like that *in order* to make those champs feel like shit. It’s what countering means. If I pick a carry top or an ADC like Kalista or Lucian, Olaf becomes much less of a pain point. No
: And your summoner name is not appropriate. I hope you understand that.
> [{quoted}](name=Raven Azarath 23,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OTU1jenN,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-04-07T14:45:01.134+0000) > > And your summoner name is not appropriate. I hope you understand that. If you get offended by usernames youre one of the core problems on this game.
: Why are there bans in ARAM??
Because people dont like auto-losing games in the loading screen because the enemy has: {{champion:99}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:11}}
: Zed fed every single game regardless who is playing him.
The champ is about to get a new £20 skin, dont expect any fixes anytime soon.
: Demonblade Tryndamere Rework?
Or you know.. just rework trynda
: where u have to actually get in the mind of ur opponent and u both have the opportunity to outplay each other rather than some stupid farm fest or gimmicks that are just unfun to play against e.g. skill based: {{champion:161}} {{champion:103}} {{champion:69}} stupid: {{champion:84}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:90}}
> [{quoted}](name=schübert,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sM9FmEiv,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-07T09:13:04.841+0000) > > where u have to actually get in the mind of ur opponent and u both have the opportunity to outplay each other rather than some stupid farm fest or gimmicks that are just unfun to play against > > e.g. skill based: {{champion:161}} {{champion:103}} {{champion:69}} stupid: {{champion:84}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:103}} skillbased? {{champion:161}} skillbased? {{champion:84}} what the fuck are you even talking about here
Leon4167 (NA)
: You know I've never had trouble against Yasuo. I honestly think his shield is fine. Never even played him so I should be agreeing with this but I don't. I can't even image how hard it would be for him to confidently grab cs and trade if he didn't have it. His shield makes it possible to engage and use his wall to retreat. I've got no problems with that. Hit-and-run tactics are very viable in any game.
> [{quoted}](name=Leon4167,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xV4mqHEB,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-04-06T19:28:39.367+0000) > > You know I've never had trouble against Yasuo. I honestly think his shield is fine. Never even played him so I should be agreeing with this but I don't. I can't even image how hard it would be for him to confidently grab cs and trade if he didn't have it. His shield makes it possible to engage and use his wall to retreat. I've got no problems with that. Hit-and-run tactics are very viable in any game. How hard would it be for him to grab cs without the shield? Still extremely easy vs ranged champs, and better than any other melee champ that goes mid, he literally has a ability that blocks any projectiles, he has NO mana or any resource which lets him spam and farm with his Q while also poking the enemy.
: Which one?
> [{quoted}](name=Dope Solo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xV4mqHEB,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-06T17:19:48.048+0000) > > Which one? His passive... ?
Comentários de Rioters
: Mundo's recent buff to his E did not go through
: u nerfed aurelion for having high w r
aka: {{champion:238}} {{champion:16}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:92}}
: The ranking system is broken
67% Winrate. win +18 loss -22 {{sticker:sg-zephyr}}
Quáx (NA)
: U literally responded with an emote, implying you had nothing to say back. Proves you just got cucked, maybe join debate....or the knitting club.
> [{quoted}](name=Quáx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pBim28Ok,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-05T23:40:02.870+0000) > > U literally responded with an emote, implying you had nothing to say back. Proves you just got cucked, maybe join debate....or the knitting club. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
Kroleigh (NA)
: Supports, AA on or off?
I play the game with AA off
: You know what I hate most about Silver elo?
The fact that every, single, game is a gamble
: The only allowed to playnone role phenomenon only counts if the abuser is an adc or they happen to go top.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7HLPiHzE,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-04-05T21:53:02.222+0000) > > The only allowed to playnone role phenomenon only counts if the abuser is an adc or they happen to go top. I see you preaching the truth on so many posts and almost every time you get downvoted to hell lmao {{sticker:sg-janna}}
Quáx (NA)
: I'll take my debate victory thank you very much.
> [{quoted}](name=Quáx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pBim28Ok,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-05T18:44:05.990+0000) > > I'll take my debate victory thank you very much. You literally contradicted yourself. I take this as a surrender from you. {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
Quáx (NA)
: Ok, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret here buddy EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO WIN IN RANKED SOLOQ PLAYS WHATS GOOD IN THEIR ROLE.
> [{quoted}](name=Quáx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pBim28Ok,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-05T18:19:20.115+0000) > > Ok, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret here buddy EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO WIN IN RANKED SOLOQ PLAYS WHATS GOOD IN THEIR ROLE. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: How is rageblade vayne balanced?
OH NO! Something counters tank!!! {{sticker:sg-janna}}
Quáx (NA)
: https://i.imgur.com/Uu1pxhU.png[/img] Mmmhmm Also your name matches you aswell
Point still stands, you're abusing a broken champ for free-lo.
Quáx (NA)
: Actually no. I play Urgot and I carry myself. If you wanna take notes go ahead and add me.
> [{quoted}](name=Quáx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pBim28Ok,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-05T02:04:34.890+0000) > > Actually no. I play Urgot and I carry myself. If you wanna take notes go ahead and add me. Nah, Urgot is carrying YOU.
: some work or buff on Singed?
No, thanks. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: Im panicingggggggggggggg FIRST TIME GOLD PROMO's!!!!!!!!!!!!
Enjoy getting matched with first time ranked lv 30 accounts and enemy 90% win rate smurfs <3 {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
: Might be a dumb question so, I'm sorry in advance
To sell skins. Prime examples: {{champion:238}} {{champion:83}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:67}}
: According to Zed....
who the fuck is upvoting this
strut (EUNE)
: Gold tier is absolutely atrocious
Ranked overall is fucked this season
: > [{quoted}](name=Äutistic Egirl,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Udbaouwb,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-04-03T19:34:30.114+0000) > > These buffs on top of the old ones are a problem. its unneeded he was at 46% winrate and 1.5% pick rate. you want to tell me that performance wasnt poor enough to warrant buffs? i didnt even judge if he needed them, or not. i just pointed out that the part youre complaining about wasnt touched this patch. but yes, he needed those buffs.
> [{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Udbaouwb,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-04-03T19:47:46.148+0000) > > he was at 46% winrate and 1.5% pick rate. > > you want to tell me that performance wasnt poor enough to warrant buffs? i didnt even judge if he needed them, or not. i just pointed out that the part youre complaining about wasnt touched this patch. but yes, he needed those buffs. No, he does not need these buffs, these buffs were the last things he needed, this champ cant be "balanced" in his current state, he's always either over-buffed or stupidly weak. What he does need is a rework. And it's better to keep him weak until that comes.
: nothing about his r or passive were changed. they buffed the damage on infected cleaver and masochism. youre like, i dont know, a year (?) late with that complaint. i dont know when they buffed his ult, but it was a long time ago.
These buffs on top of the old ones are a problem. its unneeded
Comentários de Rioters
: Possible unpopular opinion- I like how the Invictus splash art looks
Its nice, the colour are really good. If only camille didnt looks like a lesbian Ezreal.
sad þoy (NA)
: Riot, please give Soraka some help LATE game.
Are you insane? Soraka is ridiculous right now. At every stage of the game. 13% fucking pickrate WITH 52% winrate.
: It is intended, she can use her Q recast during any kind of CC. Why? Honestly, at least for me, it feels like CertainlyT just cares for what is fun for the user of the champion, but neglects what is fun and actually feels fair for the opponent. Being unable to recast Q during CC or in stasis would be unfun for the Zoe player, even if it would be a form of counterplay for a really potent skill on a really short CD. Same for why Yasuo gets to towerdive with his ultimate while being put out of tower range or that the windwall spawns directly from his center, making him able to block skills even if the visuals tell otherwise.
CertainlyT, I've never hated someone so much without even knowing them
: All mages lose to {{champion:238}} ? What? It is brain dead easy for {{champion:25}} to win against Zed. Play it back until he does something stupid like dive you under tower, snare, and let the tower kill him. Alternatively, sit back farm with W and bide your time till you get {{item:3157}} and then all in his ass. This OP is trolling. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
Honest question, are you braindead?
: > [{quoted}](name=Äutistic Egirl,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qJTBAE2V,comment-id=00000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-02T20:58:01.798+0000) > > Zeds buy order will not get messed up even half as much as a mages who is forced to buy the whole zhonyas first item missing out on a LOT of damage, clear, mana for a utility that is only useful every 2 minutes, Zed can ult twice before you even have it back lmfao and even if he does miss his combo he can literally shadow back or away. Zed does not need to buy the whole Maw, he never does unless its his last item. He can sit on that Hexdrinker alone for 30 minutes. After the hexdrinker a Zed who has a brain will focus on his main items. aka.{{item:3147}} {{item:3142}} . > > "He has negative winrates against Malzahar, Diana, Lux, Zilean, Heimer, Morgana, Swain, Anivai Ahri, and goes Even with Annie, Sylas, Vel'koz Ziggs, and almost Vlad > Do some research before screaming " > > First of, Zed has the second highest pickrate mid right now, at 11.40%. > He does not have a "negative winrate" or even go even against: Ziggs, Annie, Vel (47% btw), Ahri. And you cant even compare his winrate with zilean who has a 1.10 pick rate to zeds 11.40, also lux 1.74 pickrate, thats literally just onetricks playing those champs. Zed has a 52% winrate, with a 11.40 pickrate, Liss is in second spot at 12% pickrate and a 50% winrate. So before you tell me that I'm biased and to "Do some research" try doing some yourself. > "You clearly aren't playing the matchup right or you're just fighting really good Zeds" > Maybe the fact that you're playing against Bronze 2 zeds makes you the Biased one. > > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} OH NO YOU USED MY RANK, Even though most people get placed in bronze and that's not even the people I normally play against But if you're going to be so stupid as to use rank as an argument, Which just means you can't come up with an actual argument You're unranked with zero games and only level 33, While I've played well over 1,000 games I literally checked the winrates and he loses to everyone i listed the majority of the time https://u.gg/lol/champions/zed/matchups?rank=overall But you know i'm biased even though i said I THINK HE'S TOO STRONG, I just know there's was to deal with him and i'm not some delusional person screaming LITERALLY NO COUNTER PLAY, SHADOW NINJA BAD, COUNTERS ALL MAGES because i'm not good enough to deal with Zed And i've played against good Zeds, which yes they can be rather hard to beat but i've still beat plenty But whatever, Go on screaming your delusions and claiming you're not biased, God you're condescending
> [{quoted}](name=BobMcBobington,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qJTBAE2V,comment-id=000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-02T23:46:56.646+0000) > > OH NO YOU USED MY RANK, Even though most people get placed in bronze and that's not even the people I normally play against > But if you're going to be so stupid as to use rank as an argument, Which just means you can't come up with an actual argument > You're unranked with zero games and only level 33, While I've played well over 1,000 games > > I literally checked the winrates and he loses to everyone i listed the majority of the time > https://u.gg/lol/champions/zed/matchups?rank=overall > > But you know i'm biased even though i said I THINK HE'S TOO STRONG, I just know there's was to deal with him and i'm not some delusional person screaming LITERALLY NO COUNTER PLAY, SHADOW NINJA BAD, COUNTERS ALL MAGES because i'm not good enough to deal with Zed > And i've played against good Zeds, which yes they can be rather hard to beat but i've still beat plenty > But whatever, Go on screaming your delusions and claiming you're not biased, God you're condescending Wow there bud, I didnt want to trigger you that hard, I guess that jinx emote really gets at people lol. The reason I mentioned your rank is because of what you said, me mentioning your rank actually backed up your statement! "You clearly aren't playing the matchup right or you're just fighting really good Zeds" "You clearly aren't playing the matchup right or you're just fighting really good Zeds" I used op.gg, not the scuffed version. I didnt list ALL mages, and I never said that im not good enough to deal with zed, zed is too good at dealing with ap champs who use mana. You're just making me repeat myself now because you dont have any actual counterarguments that I can't comment back on. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: Mages should be able to 110 to 0 people in a matter of seconds, a few seconds worth of healing wont keep them alive
> [{quoted}](name=Cind3rkick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=15AqTu7m,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-02T18:27:01.272+0000) > > Mages should be able to 110 to 0 people in a matter of seconds, a few seconds worth of healing wont keep them alive And assassins cant do that? Whats your point exactly?
: > [{quoted}](name=Äutistic Egirl,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qJTBAE2V,comment-id=000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-02T19:23:13.022+0000) > > HexDrinker: 1300 G Hourglass: 2900 G, Seekers: 1100 G, Dirk: 1100 G, Lost Chapter: 1300 > > By buying Hexdrinker instead of a Drik zed misses out on 5 ad and 10 lethality, but the benefit he gets is huge, basically become impossible to fight for a mage who is forced to build zhonyas just to survive. > > Zed sacrifices small damage for huge defense. > > A mage sacrifces a entire buy order, mana, damage, a lot more goldm, for huge defence that will only matter for 11 levels. Your bias is really showing, I agree Zed is too strong but come on Zed's buy order is going to be messed up too if he has to get maw first And 10 Lethality is a big deal Zhonya's is useful in every stage of the game, You're just lying at this point I actually play him and even late game a Zhonya's can shut down my combos and ult You act like he counters literally every mage, He doesn't He has negative winrates against Malzahar, Diana, Lux, Zilean, Heimer, Morgana, Swain, Anivai Ahri, and goes Even with Annie, Sylas, Vel'koz Ziggs, and almost Vlad Do some research before screaming about a character and being biased towards one class You clearly aren't playing the matchup right or you're just fighting really good Zeds
> [{quoted}](name=BobMcBobington,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qJTBAE2V,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-02T20:32:37.485+0000) > > Your bias is really showing, I agree Zed is too strong but come on > Zed's buy order is going to be messed up too if he has to get maw first > And 10 Lethality is a big deal > Zhonya's is useful in every stage of the game, You're just lying at this point > > I actually play him and even late game a Zhonya's can shut down my combos and ult > You act like he counters literally every mage, He doesn't > He has negative winrates against Malzahar, Diana, Lux, Zilean, Heimer, Morgana, Swain, Anivai Ahri, and goes Even with Annie, Sylas, Vel'koz Ziggs, and almost Vlad > Do some research before screaming about a character and being biased towards one class > You clearly aren't playing the matchup right or you're just fighting really good Zeds Zeds buy order will not get messed up even half as much as a mages who is forced to buy the whole zhonyas first item missing out on a LOT of damage, clear, mana for a utility that is only useful every 2 minutes, Zed can ult twice before you even have it back lmfao and even if he does miss his combo he can literally shadow back or away. Zed does not need to buy the whole Maw, he never does unless its his last item. He can sit on that Hexdrinker alone for 30 minutes. After the hexdrinker a Zed who has a brain will focus on his main items. aka.{{item:3147}} {{item:3142}} . "He has negative winrates against Malzahar, Diana, Lux, Zilean, Heimer, Morgana, Swain, Anivai Ahri, and goes Even with Annie, Sylas, Vel'koz Ziggs, and almost Vlad Do some research before screaming " First of, Zed has the second highest pickrate mid right now, at 11.40%. He does not have a "negative winrate" or even go even against: Ziggs, Annie, Vel (47% btw), Ahri. And you cant even compare his winrate with zilean who has a 1.10 pick rate to zeds 11.40, also lux 1.74 pickrate, thats literally just onetricks playing those champs. Zed has a 52% winrate, with a 11.40 pickrate, Liss is in second spot at 12% pickrate and a 50% winrate. So before you tell me that I'm biased and to "Do some research" try doing some yourself. "You clearly aren't playing the matchup right or you're just fighting really good Zeds" Maybe the fact that you're playing against Bronze 2 zeds makes you the Biased one. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Äutistic Egirl,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qJTBAE2V,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2019-04-02T17:48:59.439+0000) > > You're delusional if you think that Hexdrinker really changes anything and that zhonyas automatically means that hes no longer extremely overpowered in lane. Zhonyas: 120 seconds cd Zed r: 120 / 90 / 60 He's sacrificing more damage for defense I'd say that changes a lot And Zhonya's helps a lot, and 120 seconds is a rather low cooldown for strongest active in the game
> [{quoted}](name=BobMcBobington,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qJTBAE2V,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-04-02T18:47:04.947+0000) > > He's sacrificing more damage for defense > I'd say that changes a lot > And Zhonya's helps a lot, and 120 seconds is a rather low cooldown for strongest active in the game HexDrinker: 1300 G Hourglass: 2900 G, Seekers: 1100 G, Dirk: 1100 G, Lost Chapter: 1300 By buying Hexdrinker instead of a Drik zed misses out on 5 ad and 10 lethality, but the benefit he gets is huge, basically become impossible to fight for a mage who is forced to build zhonyas just to survive. Zed sacrifices small damage for huge defense. A mage sacrifces a entire buy order, mana, damage, a lot more goldm, for huge defence that will only matter for 11 levels.
: Nah mages don't need to be the best of everything
> [{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=15AqTu7m,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-02T18:19:46.772+0000) > > Nah mages don't need to be the best of everything What other things are mages good at except waveclearing after 20 min? (just for some too)
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Vulkus I (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Äutistic Egirl,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qJTBAE2V,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-02T17:21:01.737+0000) > > 47% wr Cassio w, will not stop a Zed engage. And yeah sure, 46% wr LeBlanc can somewhat outplay a zed, but when lv 6 hits and zed buys a {{item:3155}} the lane is lost for her. 48% wr Annie will only work against Bronze zeds. 49% wr To actually win lane as Diana vs a zed you have to be smurfing lmao. He has endless resourceless ranged pokes while she has to melee. It's just a waiting game. 51% wr sure Anivia can do well against him early, but again at lv 6 Zed will stomp her. Zilean wasnt on the list. 50% wr Lux equal winrate but the same story lv 6 zed wins lane. And its extremely easy to play safe as zed against any of those "harder" matchups Zed buying a hexdrinker makes him lose a lot of his power budget early, and it just ends up barely helping in the long run. And like Bob said, JUST BUY A ZHONYAS. I'm not saying Zed isn't strong but you're just denying that he actually has counterplay because you're delusional.
> [{quoted}](name=Vulkus I,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qJTBAE2V,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-04-02T17:27:28.577+0000) > > Zed buying a hexdrinker makes him lose a lot of his power budget early, and it just ends up barely helping in the long run. > And like Bob said, JUST BUY A ZHONYAS. I'm not saying Zed isn't strong but you're just denying that he actually has counterplay because you're delusional. You're delusional if you think that Hexdrinker really changes anything and that zhonyas automatically means that hes no longer extremely overpowered in lane. Zhonyas: 120 seconds cd Zed r: 120 / 90 / 60
: > [{quoted}](name=Äutistic Egirl,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qJTBAE2V,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-02T17:21:01.737+0000) > > 47% wr Cassio w, will not stop a Zed engage. And yeah sure, 46% wr LeBlanc can somewhat outplay a zed, but when lv 6 hits and zed buys a {{item:3155}} the lane is lost for her. 48% wr Annie will only work against Bronze zeds. 49% wr To actually win lane as Diana vs a zed you have to be smurfing lmao. He has endless resourceless ranged pokes while she has to melee. It's just a waiting game. 51% wr sure Anivia can do well against him early, but again at lv 6 Zed will stomp her. Zilean wasnt on the list. 50% wr Lux equal winrate but the same story lv 6 zed wins lane. And its extremely easy to play safe as zed against any of those "harder" matchups An ability that completely shuts down what Zed can do won't stop him? Leblanc can more than "Somewhat" outplay him Mages can play just as safe and just like Zed can get Hexdrinker mages can get {{item:3191}} this and {{item:3157}} this to completely shut him down
Yes Mages can play safe and lose, xp cs etc, instead of risking it. But zed can play safe while still being a huge threat, dealing damage and having a good wave clear.
: Do something about Zed
ZED IS GETTING A NEW SKIN. Now I know why Riot is refusing to fix this abomination.
: {{champion:69}} disables his ult and his W with her ground, {{champion:7}} can easily deal with him, It's a pretty even matchup {{champion:1}} can Tibbers stun and burst him, {{champion:131}} is just a general counter to him {{champion:34}} is a bad matchup for him, {{champion:26}} is one of his worst matchups, {{champion:99}} also has a positie winrate against him
> [{quoted}](name=BobMcBobington,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qJTBAE2V,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-02T17:03:34.918+0000) > > {{champion:69}} disables his ult and his W with her ground, {{champion:7}} can easily deal with him, It's a pretty even matchup {{champion:1}} can Tibbers stun and burst him, {{champion:131}} is just a general counter to him {{champion:34}} is a bad matchup for him, {{champion:26}} is one of his worst matchups, {{champion:99}} also has a positie winrate against him 47% wr Cassio w, will not stop a Zed engage. And yeah sure, 46% wr LeBlanc can somewhat outplay a zed, but when lv 6 hits and zed buys a {{item:3155}} the lane is lost for her. 48% wr Annie will only work against Bronze zeds. 49% wr To actually win lane as Diana vs a zed you have to be smurfing lmao. He has endless resourceless ranged pokes while she has to melee. It's just a waiting game. 51% wr sure Anivia can do well against him early, but again at lv 6 Zed will stomp her. Zilean wasnt on the list. 50% wr Lux equal winrate but the same story lv 6 zed wins lane. And its extremely easy to play safe as zed against any of those "harder" matchups
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