: So they are buffing Riven
Gotta sell this upcoming riven Prestige skin :)
: What's the tradeoff for Qiyana's low ultimate cooldown on such a high utility spell?
This is delusional. I don’t care about Qiyana but honey. 1. Her R cooldown is not low. 2. the tradeoff is that you have to stay close to a wall or in the river. Otherwise it’s a weak knockback.
Comentários de Rioters
: > [{quoted}](name=steven4547466,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iWiUlzg8,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-02T21:09:41.360+0000) > > As a swain main, I hate it. This is an all around nerf in my opinion I loved being able to 1v3 a gank, with these changes it's likely not easy to do anymore. > > Edit: Obviously gaining extra max hp is nice, but I liked the damage of new Swain This 100%. Op clearly doesn't play Swain. We're getting damage nerfs and gaining waveclear. His wave clear is fine. Salty.
> [{quoted}](name=Flawless Fetus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iWiUlzg8,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-07-02T21:14:55.626+0000) > > This 100%. Op clearly doesn't play Swain. We're getting damage nerfs and gaining waveclear. His wave clear is fine. Salty. Clearly you‘ve been playing TOO much Swain to the point where you can’t distinguish good and bad waveclear because Swains waveclear is trash compared to other mid laners.
MiladyDW (NA)
: Lissandras Mana Cost
Honey they will nerf her Q cooldown by 4 seconds next patch. They won't buff her mana costs.
Comentários de Rioters
Foucz (EUNE)
: I feel really bad for fizz mains and all of us unaware
No reason to feel sorry. That's the best skin he has :)
Ifneth (NA)
: What Happened to The Work On Taliyah Mid?
It was mentioned again. Meddler said they were happy with Taliyahs current power level both in mid and jungle. So there is nothing planned right now. She is barely playable in the jungle and a lot better in the mid lane imo.
: why is aftershock that broken?
It's not only Aftershock. Galio was overbuffed and everyone knows this. That's why he will get some nerfs tomorrow. Lissandra is perfectly balanced in her niche. She has clear weaknesses. Pick a mage with more range and watch her struggle. If you pick an assassin, she counters you. But you can still play around the short duration of Aftershock or roam.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: I had a dream
Lissandra and Karthus are balanced.
KmSneaky (EUW)
: Fizz is a toxic champion in case you didn't know, as most assassins tbh, if you can't all-in the enemy laner 24/7 and instantly win due to how oppressive electrocute/ignite is because he counters you you should consider it to be a sign there's still some kind of counterplay in this game. Junglers exist, so does roaming, botlane is most of the time accessible to fizz, and squishy junglers are meta so you can manage to rain hell on them. This season is frustrating to everyone, no one needs more assassins outclassing anti-assassins more than they already do. Let Lissandra have some good matchups, she's not in a good spot right now.
She's not? Honey where have you been the past half year?
: aftershock lissandra pretty broken
Poor Fizz player. I know not being able to fight every single champion in your lane is a new situation for you. But that doesn't mean it's broken. Do you know how much dmg Lissandra has to sacrifice in this situation? Build some MR and she won't be able to kill you.
iTaLenTZ (EUW)
: After several years I am saying goodbye
: Would you recommend this game to people?
Yes I did and now we are having fun together. :) Everyone saying no is just a tilted player who can't climb or desperately needs to complain about something. Go ahead and downvote me now {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
Dukues (NA)
: Riot Balance & Design teams have cured my addiction
No they have not, you will come back again like everyone else :)
: Neeko's transistion from creepy to cute is disappointing to find out.
Oh so I could have had a new main but Riot decided to go the save route by making another mainstream champion.
: Can someone explain to me why Leblanc has 340 base MS and Lissandra only has 325?
lmao LeBlanc is an assassin. Mobility and dmg are the only things she has. Lissandra has her CC and her E (with double the range of LeBlancs W btw) and her Ult-Zonyas. You can't compare them.
: Teemo Rework / Buff
Teemo is legit a pure troll champion. He needs a full rework.
: Anyone having luck with Lissandra's new changes?
The new passive is amazing and exactly what she needed especially in early 2vs2 with your jungler. It gets even better in mid-late game. It's not about luck. You actively have to watch out for those situations and play around it.
: How Lissandra should be.
I'm glad you're not working for Riot. :)
hOrnn (NA)
: talk balance for a minute?
Those are completely different champions with completely different purposes. Lissandra is a great pick against assassins or melee champs in general. Later she becomes a teamfight monster and they can't focus you because you can just self ult. Also she is very safe in lane with her E and crazy amount of cc You trade all this for pure damage by picking Veigar or Brand. Everyone can jump on you to delete you. But your dmg is higher.
: I think Lissandra E mana cost should be divided by the first and second cast.
No, it is not hard to hit enemys with that skill. You can't just randomly spam this ability hoping to hit some enemies. You use this skill for the teleport, for waveclear or for dmg AFTER you hit your stun or root so the dmg is guaranteed. I have another idea: Keep the mana cost but refund 50% if you recast it. This way Liss players can't just AFK waveclear and playing aggressive is rewarded.
hOrnn (NA)
: lissandras passive
> [{quoted}](name=DancesWithFreelo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=fw9ANEms,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-11-28T19:36:44.704+0000) > > you know why nobody ever picks lissandra? Oh I see. Another guy living in his own reality ignoring facts and data. Lissandra has a 16% pick rate. You can't play her or the game in general? Get over it. :) Bye
: What was your favorite rework this year?
My favorite rework is Aatrox. {{champion:266}} I didn't care for him at all and now I love his character and kit.
: From now on , until she gets nerfed im referring to Lissandra players as Lissandra abusers.
So.. as a Liss main (660k mastery) should I stop playing her now? I've played her when people claimed she "sucks" and I will continue playing her. Better complain about {{champion:84}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:202}} abusers.
: Coven Lissandra Fan made Splash Art by EraiViolett
I'm breathless. Honestly this is just perfect.
: Will you nerf Lissandra soon?
That's her niche. A melee counter. Keep in mind that she lacks the dmg AND the tankiness to pay for her CC.
: Pick Renekton into melee assassins mid
sevdalizax (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=SwineTV,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=oxKwhW0n,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-11-26T22:45:33.066+0000) > > Tomorrow. It&#x27;s official. really? how did u find out its official? if so im so exited <3
> [{quoted}](name=sevdalizax,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=oxKwhW0n,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-11-26T23:50:36.280+0000) > > really? how did u find out its official? if so im so exited &lt;3 Twitter :)
sevdalizax (EUNE)
: Coven Lissandra, Coven Camille
: If you release the next lissandra skin, it's not going to sell well because she is currently WEAK
> [{quoted}](name=taleofsonata,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LoUgXEPt,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-11-26T00:14:39.721+0000) > > -Her itemization force her to rush ROA because of the Base hp nerf she receive 5 patches ago I think No wonder you think she is weak. Stay away from that goddamn item and rush Ludens. Lissandra is incredibly strong right now.
: Program Lissandra new passive
They said it'll come next patch.
: A lv 11 Lissandra with 200 ap deals 200 dmg from R, and i don't wanna talk about her w and q.
Looking at your match history she doesn't seem to be as weak as you say :)
: Lissandra rework
Lissandras new passive is exactly what she needed. Learn to play around it, please. Lissandra is a teamfighting mage and she does that very well. LeBlanc is a 1vs1 champion and she does that very well. You can't have both. Besides, you can still 1vs1 as Lissandra. Even in early 2vs2 with your jungler, the passive is amazing. I don't see anyone talking about how good her AA feels now. Or how useful the E change was. People always need to complain.
: Is this really toxic enough for a chat restriction?
I only had to see the title and length of your post and my answer is: yes.
: fucking jhin and lucian
Honestly they are broken. Broken and anti-fun.
Myrmiron (EUW)
: Wait, why did Orianna only get 2 Chromas but Graves got 3?
: LeBlanc Coven?
Btw Program is a perfect fit for LeBlanc. But the in game model is bad.
Ahris (NA)
: Can Ahri get a new W and passive?
He actually has a point. I hate playing Ahri because wtf is her W? It feels awful. Just give her a new W and rebalance her (btw she's too strong atm).
Romans 8 (NA)
: Lissandra's Iceborn Subjugation Bug
It appears AFTER his passive. That's what I've experienced.
Even (NA)
: Lissandra passive?
They will update it.
: Lissandra
Let me tell you something as a Lissandra main. Lissandra is busted right now and the next thing she will get is a big nerf. Let me also tell you that support Lissandra will be the next big thing. From what I've experienced it's pretty OP right now.
: I'd like Lissandra's insane safety with Aftershock to be addressed but...
It's the only answer to BS like {{champion:84}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:238}}{{champion:157}} {{champion:91}} .
Kimuto (NA)
: Is it bad that I prefer arcane comet over aftershock for lissandra? I prefer more damage on laning phase over tankness. She already can ult herself and there's an item call the stop watch so I feel like she doesn't need it that much.
> [{quoted}](name=Kimuto,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=laILMEoG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-11-15T00:44:41.347+0000) > > Is it bad that I prefer arcane comet over aftershock for lissandra? I prefer more damage on laning phase over tankness. She already can ult herself and there&#x27;s an item call the stop watch so I feel like she doesn&#x27;t need it that much. It's bad that you prefer Comet over Electrocute.
: If I remember correctly from the last champion roadmap the next update will be the kayle/morgana duo rework, then perhaps the new champ but the rework will be discussed next year therefore released next year, so likely it will be season 9, don't quote me on this though.
Nah, the colorful mage will be released this year.
Meddler (NA)
: Skins VFX - yep, they're on the way. Blade Queen at least should hit PBE today, not certain on exact timing for Program. Coven and Bloodstone should already be there. Nerfs - Assessment off a bunch of playtesting is that the current changelist is likely slightly power positive. Going into this patch Liss is already in pretty well performing spot, so our room to tone down on nerfs and/or swap them for different ones with less impact isn't great. Will be adding the 10 base damage at rank 1 onwards back onto W though, no need to nerf early laning at least, later in the game's where we're more cautious about overall power. Also, if our assessment ends up being wrong and she ends up meaningfully weaker than before my starting point would be to consider putting power back in where it was removed. Since some of it's not easy to spot on PBE, here's the current full changelist: Nerfs * Removal of old mana passive * W - Damage 70-190 +0.3 (was 70-230+0.4) * R - Ratio to 0.6 (was 0.7) Buffs * New passive - Enemy champions who die near Lissandra become Frozen Thralls. Frozen Thralls hunt out living enemies and slow enemies around them by 25%. After 4s they explode, dealing 120-520 (+0.3 AP) magic damage * MP5/level to 0.8 (was 0.4) * Smoother AAs - animation and actual timing better synched, missile speed to 2200 (was 2000), Base attack speed increased to 0.656 from 0.625. AS ratio for AS scaling is still 0.625 * Q - Mana cost 60-72 (was 75) * W - Mana cost 40 (was 50) * E - Missile speed starts at 1200, decelerates to 640, takes 1.25s to get to end point (1050 range). Makes short casts a bit more useable without adding faster long range initiation or escapes. Previous version for reference is 850 speed throughout, takes 1.25s to get to end point (1050 range) Can understand concern around removal of some ratio and a bit of base damage later in the game, in particular from the angle of 'will Lissandra still be able to burst squishy targets?'. Belief off testing so far is yes. If that stops being the case will move power around so she's still got some burst threat though.
Thanks a lot for your anwer. It's nice to have some context. Is the E change on the PBE? Didn't notice.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: November 9
Can we expect some VFX for Blade Queen/Program Lissandras passive? Can't imagine 1350 RP skins without adjusted passive VFX tbh... Also is there really no other way to nerf her? I've tried the changes on the PBE and the W nerfs feel really harsh. Like... REALLY harsh. How about longer cooldowns? Mana nerfs? I'm sure you can find a way to make her nerfs feel less noticable. But please don't nerf her (already low) 1v1 potential and her laning phase.
: Lissandra will not have a passive for her laning phase with the recent change.
They've reduced her mana costs as compensation. So it's basically the same. But ON TOP of that your teamfights got 100x scarier.
: Lissandra w and r nerfs
I've tried it on the PBE. Her W feels so bad now. It's basically only a root, no damage.
Meddler (NA)
: I've avoided cutting damage from the E because, as you point out, it's often not very relevant when used for entering or exiting a fight. Taking damage from it doesn't buy much ability to put power elsewhere as a result, but does meaningfully reduce the subset of times where you can optimize the E around hitting enemies with it. E speed change is still in, though it's not something likely to get datamined so easily while on the PBE. AA changes are also in, not sure if those have been picked up on much yet (better animation alignment, slight faster missile speed, bit of extra starting attack speed).
Is there really no other way to nerf her? I've tried it on the PBE and using W feels really bad. How about longer cooldowns? Mana nerfs? Anything! But don't cut her (already low) 1v1 potential, please. It makes her even more team reliant. Some Liss players prefer the "assassin" playstyle and those nerfs are really killing it.
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