LusterCrown (EUNE)
: Dude, I rly enjoyed that article<3 I'm sympatheting with her cus her story is similar to mine. Growing up with older twin. When I heard about they reworks I was literaly in 7th heaven but when they was released after changes I was little bit disapointed especially seeng Morgana not changed much in her kit compared to Kayle's changes (the Ascension passive) She at least should have "igniting", mr shredding or more scaling of her healing by leveling: all based on her biographies and stories. Somehow "falls pale" towards her sister. One thing I don't understand is fact that she bounded her wings but casting ultimate she forcing herself to use full potential of her power that she reject - that's kind of hypocrite. And the explanation that "see what you made me do" is not an argument. Either you stick to what you agreed or you don't. You cannot be a relativist if you are a representative of justice. You have rules and laws that even you must obey. I know that it's just story section and gameplay but I want something more.
I think the point of her ult is that she's very emotional, and it is what happens when she lets her anger get the best of her. Obviously it's not something she'd do every now and then. I actually think, in-lore, it's gonna be an important moment for Morg? I don't think it makes her a hypocrit tho
Comentários de Rioters
: LoR Interactions You'd Like to See
Ultra late to the party and it's not even champions but... {{champion:10}} and {{champion:25}} having an interaction with Mihira who could be an epic elite card
: Where Do Morgana and Kayle Fit in Now? They Have No Lore Presence.
... Well, yes, but actually no. {{champion:25}} **_I will not forsake the land that shaped me. Nor the mistakes._** I don't think Morgana is against Demacia proper. I do think she disagrees with the way it has evolved - **_Demacia learned all the wrong lessons_** - But I highly doubt she would do anything against Demacia. Also let's not that she sympathized with Sylas when he was in his cell - **_I saw you in your cell Sylas. Heard your cries. Felt your anguish_** - but do remember that after that, he did _terrible_ things, and I don't think she would ever side with him. {{champion:10}} She's a bit more tricky, but not really. Kayle would have a LOT to say about Demacia's evolution - **_You Demacians have lost your way_** - and I don't think she's gonna take any side. Truth be told, having Kayle join "the government" and Morgana join "the mages" would be a bad story. There's more interesting stuff to do with them. I agree with your last point. I do think Kayle will come back to bring heavenly justice upon all of Demacia. And Morgana will definitely (hopefully) go and meet her in the skies again, and they will clash. Again. Which isn't that bad. Then I imagine they'll make up. Which isn't bad either. Then who the f knows. But I do not disagree with the fact that their lore presence feels... Underwhelming. That's an issue with many immortal characters anyway. I hate that we have no idea about what Kayle and Morgana have been doing for the past millenia. With Kayle it's pretty easy given her motivations, she's likely been training with the Celestial Aspects to better serve her Justice. Morgana... Well. Let's just say I hope she won't just be a crybaby who's only cried for 1000 years. Give me my Celestial witch Riot pls... :(
: > [{quoted}](name=Falrein,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=XdP1p24A,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2020-01-21T08:38:08.571+0000) > > Most logical option to me is that his sword belongs to the ones Kayle enchanted back in Demacia's earliest days. that could be a variable, but Kayle took Morgana's sword too if I remember right.
I'm not saying it's Morgana's sword - I would kill that little fcker myself if he even dared lay a finger on it. I'm talking about this > Kayle fought in many battles, flying at the head of the growing militia and imbuing the weapons of the worthy with her own sanctified fire…
: More reasons why Garen have a magic sword
Most logical option to me is that his sword belongs to the ones Kayle enchanted back in Demacia's earliest days.
: > [{quoted}](name=Falrein,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=P4wInKd9,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2020-01-15T17:09:15.353+0000) > > Hello, I'm just here to ask why the fuck is Syndra on the balance faction side, don't mind me... Why is Syndra on the balance faction side? {{champion:134}} "And they said I lacked balance. Ha!" Syndra doesnt care whose side you are in, she hates everyone equally. Noxians or Ionians it doesnt matter. That is balance... it doesnt mean that its good, but its balance, a twisted version of it. And the balance faction needed more "evil" champs for... balance reasons.
Is it? As far as I'm concerned, hating or loving everyone equally isn't what makes balance. She was imprisonned exactly because her power is everything that goes _against_ balance. She's a highly emotional girl with highly destructive powers. I don't think that belongs in the balance category. Also stop, for god's sake, saying 'she hates everyone'. She's angry asf because every people, she's met after she woke up tried to kill her or use her. She doesn't have an inherent hatred towards everyone, she's human. Obviously she'll hate people who try to kill or use her. But she won't kill absolutely everyone she meets because "she hates everyone". Or at least I hope she won't, that'd be quite stupid a character. She has yet to see everything that has happened since she was trapped.
: As an Ionia fan, please stop for a while when you hit 20 Ionian champions.
I'm not an Ionia fan. I just so happen to have one of my favourite characters from there, so I do want some progression for Ionia. But we've never gotten much of that. We have plot threads starting here and there, but they have no connection whatsoever. Syndra's free. Cool. People are fighting for power/different ideologies in Ionia. Cool. Ionian balance is important and disturbing it could have great repercussions. Cool. So where is it? Where's all of that? Why do we have to bring Noxus _again_? We have slight answers and there but that's about it. Obviously I am biased, what I personally want from Ionia is for Syndra's return to the mainland to be something of actual importance. I don't want her to be the Sylas of Ionia, but she is that massive powerhouse that can't be ignored, and she could set a lot of things in motion. More so than telling stories about Yasuo wandering and brooding (sorry for Yasuo lovers out there). My point being, Ionia is getting a lot of attention, but it never quite develops Ionia as a region, it's just personal plots. Which is fine, personal plots are important, but it does feel underwhelming to have this big region who is supposedly in shambles because of the Noxian invasion... Only to _not_ tell stories about it. There is some setup (I'm sure there'll be something to do with the new knowledge about the Titans from ages past, etc), but nothing to actually live up to that setup. In the end, we have a region filled with champions, with a LOT of potential for storytelling... And I feel like we don't get much out of it. We'll see this year (ALSO PRAYING FOR SYNDRA COLOR STORY RIOT PLS), maybe I'll be proven wrong...
: I think that Ionia has a problem that i will call "The Continental Problem" Sure, Ionia has tons of champions... But people has to consider that Ionia is a continent. The rest of the continents from Runeterra have tons of different factions, but Ionia is just Ionia. When people think about the champions from Shurima, they usually think about: {{champion:268}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:33}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:32}} and maybe {{champion:69}} But Shurima is a whole continent, aside from all the champions from "Shurima" you have Targon, Icathia, Ixtal, Zaun, Darkins and Piltover. People doesnt say that this is the list of Shuriman Champions: {{champion:266}} {{champion:32}} {{champion:523}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:518}} {{champion:76}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:246}} {{champion:33}} {{champion:421}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:72}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:44}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:26}} {{champion:142}} (and im not even mentioning the Zaun/Piltover champs) Even if they all are from the same continent. The same can be said about Valoran. Ionia needs to have more than one faction to fix this problem... maybe something like "Unbalance /Revels" Faction vs "Balance" Faction vs "Animal" Faction. "Unbalance" Faction: {{champion:238}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:157}} "Balance" Faction: {{champion:98}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:427}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:62}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:64}} Vastayah Revels: {{champion:498}} {{champion:497}} {{champion:103}} {{champion:875}} Fourth Faction: {{champion:202}} (i had to)
Hello, I'm just here to ask why the fuck is Syndra on the balance faction side, don't mind me... Why is Syndra on the balance faction side?
zounet (EUW)
: A rioter said in the Aatrox's AMA that nagakabouros can save him/ kill him/ separate his soul from the blade
Note that AMAs are only Rioter opinions, and are not to be treated as raw facts!
: Sejuanni and Olaf are tied in strength, as they've clashed and come to a draw. Nasus and Renekton are of equal strength as well, thats why I put them on the same level Also: since technically Aatrox was a shuriman who assended, why is he potrayed as so much stronger than the accended shurimans? Thats also something thats been bugging me
Yeah sure... But Sejuani and Olaf aren't powerful on a a very wide scale? I don't know if I misunderstand what you wrote but you listed them as 'World enders'? Or nation fearing their sheer presence? Regarding Aatrox... It's a bit complicated, as he is rather bound by the amount of flesh he currently has at his disposal. He can be much stronger, or much weaker than your regular Ascended. But I don't think he outclasses them (as in, I don't think he is superior BY FAR). Our 4 current Ascended champs are pretty effing powerful
: So lets talk about "Unkillable" Champions in Lore
I don't think there is such a thing as 'unkillable champions'. Tho again, it depends on what you mean by death. Void erasure doesn't count as death, but I think you can throw that in to stop them. Back on the topic - There is currently no known way to (definitively) kill a Darkin. I _do_ think that somewhere, there's a way to free them from the spell that binds them. Arguably, only Zoe could know of it, as Twilight seems to be the one who's done it. But Runeterra seems to be where everything is possible, and I do think it's possible to break that spell. Would it be easy? Definitely not. Other than that, Darkin aren't undefeatable. They are powerful, for sure, but do remember that there are other powerful beings out there who could potentially rise to fight them. Mordekaiser... Eh. I don't think he's unkillable. He hasn't come back yet, so we'll have to see. Just because his bio ends with "They know no way of stopping him" doesn't mean there isn't. What if you directly attack his soul? What if you slash it or destroy it? Surely it is easier said than done, but the possibility still exists. What 'sheer force of will' is there, if there's no soul to bear any will? Also I'd argue that if Aatrox can kill an actual Celestial being... Surely there's something to be done for Mordekaiser! Regarding Pyke, I put him on the same shelf as Morde, albeit less powerful? Those are just my two cents, but I don't think there's any appeal in "Champs that will die but actually not die and always come back!". Especially in Mordekaiser's case anyway, as there's no stake for him (whereas the Darkin have to suffer constant suffocation in their weapon form), he just goes back to M.R. Also I'm not sure why you put Sejuani and Olaf on the same level as Nasus? Separate issue but legit question
d00mface (EUW)
: I would like to see something with my boy Aatrox for sure : ' D maybe him fighting Pantheon or him wrecking Tryndamere's tribe. Aside from Aatrox things though... I'd like to see something set in Shurima preferably with someone other than Kai'sa as the star. Taliyah would be nice, as would Azir or Nasus imo.
> I'd like to see something set in Shurima preferably with someone other than Kai'sa as the star. Yeah I feel your pain. :') Yeah I think a lot of people would love Aatrox vs Panth tbh. I wouldn't say it's likely because again I have no idea what they have in mind doing this... But I think it's possible. Like highly possible? So yeah keep hoping for that UwU!
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Naalith (NA)
: Wishlist of lore advancements/improvements I want to see for 2020
I'm fine with whatever is being given to me, to be honest. Tho I wouldn't mind something either for Kayle, Morgana or Syndra. I know Kayle and Morgana are in the "waiting" spot, that very spot where they won't get any stories until the end of the Demacian conflict because they don't exactly fit anytime sooner. Which does annoy me because as it is we have no idea what they've been doing. I would absolutely love a story for either telling what they have done during the last millenia (other than going to the Celestial Realm, and crying in the woods). I have little hope but who knows! On Syndra's side... Well it's more so that she's in a spot where she could be a huge player in the Ionian conflict, but she was removed from any relation to everything and doesn't quite fit anywhere. But overall I feel like Riot is either reluctant or has no idea what to write for Ionia because it always comes back to "Noxus is/was there!". Which is understandable given the impact Noxus had on Ionia... But still.
: Oh, that's a long one! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451454411084922892/662702145090486303/demacia_separator.png More Bandle is obvious, no need to talk about that. The Whispering Doodad was great, but there could be so much more. Tristana and Lulu might have been updated, but what about Rumble and Teemo, both of which are (were?) related to Tristana? Bilgewater has a game coming up, so yay to that. Ruined King is set after Burning Tides, so hopefully it can be used for worldbuilding in Bilgewater. What happened to GP after he died? How do people like MF's rule? I definitely wouldn't mind Demacia without Sylas. Sure, he was introduced to "move the story of Demacia forward" (Riot's words) or basically as "plot device" (players) - and he definitely did, I think there is more lore post-sylas than pre-sylas - but right now, it feels like this is all that's happening. As you said, Freljord is divided. Some places are fleshed out well enough, but a lot of champs are still missing. Anivia, Gragas, Olaf, Trundle and Volibear have no biography and no color story. That - along with the Voli rework - seems like a good place to bring some more backstory into Runeterra's coldest region. Ionia is pretty much done in terms of recent-ish lore, but it could use some more backstory. "First Lands", and we know more of the backstories of Demacia and Noxus. The ancient titans seem like a good place to start. One of my complaints is also that it's a bit too interwoven with Noxus, and there is barely any "Ionia only" lore. Again, this could tell us a story from the times long before Noxus came (like a shadow through this land). Ixtal is new, more of everything please! I have almost nothing to complain about for Noxus, except maybe Alistar and Draven. Both are related to Sett, so I haven't given up that they might receive updates thanks to him. Talon also needs lore and the resolution to one of the longest outstanding plotlines since they wrecked the IoW. Piltover is cool, but you are right: It seems disconnected from the world. Maybe this is why Ixtal was introduced? I would also like to see more Hextech. I love fancy machines, and it would be super cool to see things in the size of a T-Hex in action. It's often talked about how powerful these machines are, but most of the time they are mentioned in a half-sentence like in Progress Day (where the story is literally about constructing a Hextech Device). Shadow Isles: Ruined King, no further questions asked. Shurima is like Bilgewater - stuck in the past. All of their champs have received the lore they were promised, and that's it. Though it seems to move again since Xerath got attacked by Pantheon? I hope there is more to come. Sadly, it seems that Runeterran stories are decidedly human. This is one of the big motifs in the recent lore, and I wish there was more emphasis on the celestial side. Imagining the Realm beyond Targon is hard. What even is their goal? WHY? There is not much lore involving void champions, and most of the time they are just big bad meanie antagonists. Some more agency would be nice. Actually, I have seen the "voidborn turns against watchers" champion requested quite a few times. Focus on the characters, not the impending doom. Kha's story was nice, it _did_ show him as antagonist but fleshed out his character as it was supposed to. But all the long stories about the void (basically just WIOS) is just "yeah it's bad, gonna delete us all". What was really interesting in Zaun were the children. The orphanage Vi visited, City of Iron and Glass, the gang in Legends of Runeterra. I'd like to see more of this tbh. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451454411084922892/662702145090486303/demacia_separator.png Basically, the problems with the current lore are regions with Champions that don't have updated lore - like Bandle City and the Void - and those left in the dust - like Shurima and Bilgewater: They had their own cool stories, but then apparently nothing happened for a few years (both in-lore and irl). Also keep in mind there should be the video for Universe in 2020 tomorrow (18-ish hours)- hopefully some of these concerns are addressed soon!
> I definitely wouldn't mind Demacia without Sylas. Doing God's work as always
: Watching Sylas invade Demacia makes me wonder if they'd have any chance against Noxus at all.
I mean Morgana is also hiding somewhere in Demacia and I _dare_ assume she would act if she felt Demacia couldn't stand for themselves. But well who knows
: Well, to start off with, it's worth pointing out two things; Demacia was founded in a section of Valoran full of trees with seemingly anti-magic properties, and the fact of the matter is that those trees only absorb magic, not nullify it. This implies at the very least that a lot of Demacian land may actually just be steeped in latent magical energy without any of the Demacians really being aware of it. So the very metal that they use to make their sunsteel weapons could be just like the trees that they use to make petricite - magic-absorbant. It's also worth noting that one of Demacia's biggest figures is Kayle, the Aspect of Justice, who is undoubtedly bursting at the seams with celestial arcane energy. Even after the long, long time that she and her sister Morgana have been gone, it's possible for her celestial magics to have been soaked up into the petricite and sunsteel of Demacia - which could also explain the name of sunsteel, since Kayle's magic is righteous celestial fire. Plus, who knows? There could be several people in Demacia, even beyond the long-late Durand, who knew how to channel the magical power in Demacia's stones and woods. After all, Lucian and Senna were part of a Demacian order who all seemed to use magical relic-weapons, which we know really little about. Or, of course, it could just be a case exactly like petricite, where they eagerly use their weapons and armor without really understanding how it works. There's a lot of questions about Demacia, and not a whole lot in the way of answers.
I mean it seems to me that Garen's sword is one of the swords enchanted by Kayle back then (mentioned in her bio). It'd be cool and interesting.
: > [{quoted}](name=Falrein,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=u5jpnN4E,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2020-01-08T19:21:03.396+0000) > > * Concept art is just meant to show the outfit, in no way is it intended to make her 'old' Oh alright, the outfit itself is by no means bad although i prefer the bottom half she has on her current splash .......which does not actually match her in game model as far as i can tell. > * I disagree. I mean I agree but I disagree. I do think she hates balance, but the whole point is to show she is more than just flat out hatred. It's 1 dimensional. Here she'd be more of a reformer. Was she not so pissed that she insta-killed every ionian agent who snuck into her prison except that one whom she had take her place in the pond? If she reforms by getting the opposition out of the way in that manner then Ionia will mostly be empty when she´s done :P I think for the sake of the story to make sense from that point i think she either has to leave or end up seeing something that makes her get stuck and unable to decide what she wants to do specifically. > * If she wanted to ally with Noxus she wouldn't have casually destroyed 3 of their warships. They are known for using people. Big nono. I am to be honest not sure why she did that, might be because she recognized that Vastayan as her Jailer and he was wearing a Noxian armor. Bad first impression and she´s quick to act. > * I mean. It's not hard to guess. It obviously has negative effects on Spirit Magic. And on souls ("and pull at Sirik's soul"). While it is to be taken with a grain of salt, got this bit from AntInOz -> he wrote TDP with the idea that Syndra's sphere could make soul wither. It´s not entire sure how or what it does, her magic is actually extremely connected with emotion if you read the "dreaming pools" story, the Ionian agent who tried to kill her only to end up grabbed was able to feel Syndra´s anger and fury in return for cursing at her. It´s possible Syndra´s magic is based on what she envisions and feels and the spirit realm is just vulnerable to outside interference......so if she boils over with negative emotions then perhaps that´s like poison to the Spirits. Makes you wonder what´d happen if she was happy though, maybe flowers and tree´s would sprout all over? > * I don't think it's that unlikely. And it'd be interesting. But then we're arguing opinions. > * Champs don't need to know each other to have in-game interactions (Morgana -> Zed / Sylas -> Jinx). You do have a point there but do they not usually keep these interactions between people who are like semi likely to meet at least or have some kind of shared theme? I mean Sylas has been shown to like travelling as he is presently lorewise in the Freljord. Morgana - dark magic -Zed shadow ninja stuff. Well they do also have a few ones that are purely for fun. > (I'm currently on my phone so if you don't mind I'll explain the interactions and voiclines later, it really is annoying to type like that, but I myself hate Syndra as "evil" and I certainly disagree with her being "evil" there) Oh no problem there. To be honest i do not think Syndra is evil either, her magic certainly has the potential for it but given it takes form on her emotions and how she visualizes it´s no surprise it comes out as dark as it does given the life she´s had. And who knows? Maybe the land spirit actually has the ability to see the future and intended for her to escape when she did in order to encounter some fate to let her be happy and see different things. Still deserves a straight punch somewhere painful though.
Okay I apologize for the wait, it's been a wild ride! > Was she not so pissed that she insta-killed every ionian agent who snuck into her prison except that one whom she had take her place in the pond? I'll nerd out a bit but I've read that story so many times so... She killed one person in the Dael'eh Ahira, and that was Okin, the one who tried to get her on his side. She then sent Kalan (the jailor) into the pool, and she left Sirik, who tried to kill her, alive (that's one more point for Syndra not being evil, yay!)! > I am to be honest not sure why she did that, might be because she recognized that Vastayan as her Jailer and he was wearing a Noxian armor. > > Bad first impression and she´s quick to act. I have a theory about that. It's a bit weird, but she apparently was able to peer into Kalan's soul, that's how she knew who he was, and realized he had been her jailor. Maybe, by doing so, she saw more of what Noxus is (think Swain's raven, they do take secrets from dead souls)? I do not know, but in any case, I don't think Syndra would (or should!) ally with Noxus! It'd be a waste, I really want her to be her own force! > It´s not entire sure how or what it does, her magic is actually extremely connected with emotion if you read the "dreaming pools" story, the Ionian agent who tried to kill her only to end up grabbed was able to feel Syndra´s anger and fury in return for cursing at her. > > It´s possible Syndra´s magic is based on what she envisions and feels and the spirit realm is just vulnerable to outside interference......so if she boils over with negative emotions then perhaps that´s like poison to the Spirits. > > Makes you wonder what´d happen if she was happy though, maybe flowers and tree´s would sprout all over? Yes, her power is definitely filled by her emotions, and as anger is a very volatile and dangerous emotion, it explains the negative effects on things around her! I do think her power isn't inherently negative, but she needs to use it for other things than hatred and anger for that! _________________________________ > The taunt with her praising herself as the dark sovereign? Sounds dang cheesy and narcissistic which to me does not seem like a good fit at all. Actually (and that is my bad, I should have noted it somewhere), this was a reference to a comics character which heavily inspired Syndra! It's a callback to the Dark Phoenix! I know it's not like, Jean's most famous line or something so I'll take the blame! > Q lines? Makes her sound she she has this evil power and she knows what it is and why it´s evil, not just neutral anymore. I didn't feel like they came off as evil when I wrote them? Tho arguably, I did have a particuliar intonation in mind when I wrote it so that might explain why things come across differently. We actually tried to have them dubbed, but couldn't for different reasons! > E lines seem kinda off.......contrasts a lot with the rest, instead of saying "go away" something said with a more arrogant tone like "Begone!" meshes more, since she kinda seems scared otherwise. Same as previously, the lines are supposed to be said quite aggressively, but you couldn't know that, so it's my bad! > (regarding the R lines) The first and the third says basically the same thing while second clashes with both of them, like if she got her max potential at first then what has changed by the second one to ensure her enemies suddenly have no chance? Well these are lines you hear only once a game, as you only max the spell once (by max I mean once you hit 3 points in R, not every time you level it up). So I don't think they clash because you'll only hear one of these once in a game. Arguably it is pointless to have 3 different lines if you barely hear them but I felt like that was important to have! > Aurelion because it seems like a fairly dumb thing to tell him, like he´d have done it ages ago. > > Galio because how the hells would she even know about him? He does not leave Demacia and she was stuck in a pool until recently. > > Sylas because i am fairly sure she likes her power a lot and we do not have anything to indicate it´s anything nasty or unpleasant to deal with so line is just weird. > > Swain because it´s his Demon doing the peeking, then it goes back to tell him what it has seen, but the rest i think are either OK/good or funny enough to be worth keeping even if they do not fit well. * The first three are more about thematic than hard facts. She says that to A.Sol because he's in a similar-ish position, it's more so like encouraging him than giving him the order to do it! * The Galio one is again more about what his purpose is about - protecting from magic by absorbing it! * This one is actually a bit harder to understand, when she says "this", she's talking about the negative effects of her magic (which she doesn't feel),= it's more of a threat than anything else. Try to absorb my power and we'll see how it turns out b*tch! :p * Well the Swain one is more because... You know, it'd be a mouthful to say "The soul of the demon you possess blablabla", I took a shortcut! Plus hey, who's to say she's not adressing the demon directly through Swain... ;) ________________________________ > And who knows? Maybe the land spirit actually has the ability to see the future and intended for her to escape when she did in order to encounter some fate to let her be happy and see different things. > > Still deserves a straight punch somewhere painful though. Well my take on it is that the Spirit intended for the Pool to be a lesson of some sort. A trial which Syndra had to overcome in order to get out, choosing to remain calm instead of getting angry at the tree. Terrible idea but well, it's what makes the most sense. The Spirit doesn't seem like a torturer, I think it genuinely wanted to help Syndra, even though in the end it made things worse. Syndra is just as much a child of the first lands than any other, but she's like that turbulent child and the mother had no real solution so she tried her best, even though it didn't help. But hope remains, Soraka's prophecy seems to point towards Syndra playing a role in saving Kalan's children...! I've actually written so many theory threads about Syndra I love this champion so much! He, sorry for the wall text btw, I appreciate that you took your time for feedback! It's actually much more useful than most Reddit comments >.>
: Her face looks really bad. Almost exactly like a copy pasted version of swain's face. Just a really masculine face. To the point where I thought you were doing rule63 syndra at first. Outfit looks okay.
She does look masculine, I don't disagree with that. However, I fail to see how it's a bad thing. We did aim for something different from same-face syndrome, and using The Dreaming Pool's art, which has a Syndra with rather masculine traits, we ended up with this. I will not disagree with the fact that the splash has issues (neck, her hair doesn't stand out enough, her pose), but I don't think making her different from almost every other League women is bad. I mean it probably is to a lot of people, but I personally think diversity is good!
: Hm i do approve of Syndra getting more attention but i wana share my impressions. * In the concept art she looks old does she not? Pretty sure this is in conflict with all her stories and the league standard that powerful mages age more slowly, much more slowly. * She actually just flat out hates pretty much every Ionian who is part of the "balance faction" or what one should call it so she would not be chatting with them while Akali has shown she prefers to end perceived threats to her order permanently.....No teamplay there. * She could easily be friends with the Noxians who are more than happy to pull in any powerhouse to their nation, heck Swain could be sending messengers even now for all we know. * We do not actually know what the heck her power does more than it having the ability to make those "spirit trees" wither to high exposure, her talking about rot and whatnot does not make a lot of sense. * Very unlikely that she actually wants to rule Ionia, destroy it or leave but doing a takeover and reforming does not seem quite like what she´d do. * Interactions with Akali, Aurelion, Galio,Sylas, Ryze (and even the lines towards him) and Swain do not fit well or make sense at all. Aurelion because it seems like a fairly dumb thing to tell him, like he´d have done it ages ago. Galio because how the hells would she even know about him? He does not leave Demacia and she was stuck in a pool until recently. Sylas because i am fairly sure she likes her power a lot and we do not have anything to indicate it´s anything nasty or unpleasant to deal with so line is just weird. Swain because it´s his Demon doing the peeking, then it goes back to tell him what it has seen, but the rest i think are either OK/good or funny enough to be worth keeping even if they do not fit well. --------------------------- Now for some of the voicelines suggested. The taunt with her praising herself as the dark sovereign? Sounds dang cheesy and narcissistic which to me does not seem like a good fit at all. Q lines? Makes her sound she she has this evil power and she knows what it is and why it´s evil, not just neutral anymore. E lines seem kinda off.......contrasts a lot with the rest, instead of saying "go away" something said with a more arrogant tone like "Begone!" meshes more, since she kinda seems scared otherwise. Her R lines? 1. My true potential is achieved! 2. They stand no chance anymore. 3. My power unleashed! The first and the third says basically the same thing while second clashes with both of them, like if she got her max potential at first then what has changed by the second one to ensure her enemies suddenly have no chance? Third line is fine when she gets her ultimate, first or second line when she maxes all her abilities, a couple of generic lines like "ever greater" or "i will not be stopped" etc are fine until then. -------------------------------------- Overall i greatly admire the efforts spent here but overall you two seem to have decided she is evil, she knows it and she uses this dark and repulsive power that only she knows about, she has lines making herself seem narcissistic or like a scared young girl ( on her E) which dont mesh well either. Personally i think she ought to be younger on her splashes, one angry granny that tilts the daylights out of most when she´s good is plenty enough. {{champion:164}} . Her voicelines should indeed be confident, condescending and even a bit arrogant, but there should also be some with a tone of bitterness and sorrow for what she has lost and suffered. Her power any any references to it should be kept neutral short of her praising it as ....well powerful, anyy voiceline towards a foreigner should be considerably milder or even curious about the outside world Well these are my thoughts.
* Concept art is just meant to show the outfit, in no way is it intended to make her 'old' * I disagree. I mean I agree but I disagree. I do think she hates balance, but the whole point is to show she is more than just flat out hatred. It's 1 dimensional. Here she'd be more of a reformer. * If she wanted to ally with Noxus she wouldn't have casually destroyed 3 of their warships. They are known for using people. Big nono. * I mean. It's not hard to guess. It obviously has negative effects on Spirit Magic. And on souls ("and pull at Sirik's soul"). While it is to be taken with a grain of salt, got this bit from AntInOz -> he wrote TDP with the idea that Syndra's sphere could make soul wither. * I don't think it's that unlikely. And it'd be interesting. But then we're arguing opinions. * Champs don't need to know each other to have in-game interactions (Morgana -> Zed / Sylas -> Jinx). (I'm currently on my phone so if you don't mind I'll explain the interactions and voiclines later, it really is annoying to type like that, but I myself hate Syndra as "evil" and I certainly disagree with her being "evil" there)
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: By the way, I had no idea there was a Discord server for LoL lore alone. Where can I find a link?
Veselar (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Falrein,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=aEnOX51v,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2020-01-04T19:13:36.723+0000) > > * In relation to my previous point, while this is more something I would personally like, I think Syndra can make her own faction in the Ionian conflict, with her own ideology, to bring something new to the table. Something that could enter in conflict with Zed's order, Shen's Kinkou, and whatever Irelia and Karma will be up to. Did you forget about Navori Brotherhood?
I did not - I decided to mention only champions! I imagine I could've also mentioned the Cabal from Jhin's lore as well. The issue with the Navori Brotherhood (and most sides in the conflict, excluding Zed's order as he is getting a comic rn) is that we have so little info on it. Ionia as a whole feels like it's getting a lot of attention, but it somehow lacks its own lore? Most of it just "Noxus this, Noxus that", and we don't really explore what is currently happening...
: I agree with you 100%. They could work very well as a couple to show that Ionia's BS is not so bright afterall. He could also teach her more on how to control her magic, although I don't think she'll ever get on his level
I know what you're doing Pri. It won't work on me :')
: Zed and Syndra
Why should Zed and Syndra _not_ be allies: * Syndra is a strong independant woman. More seriously, I don't want her to be "Zed's ally". She can and should be much more than that. * Zed is an extremist and nationalist, who goes to huge lengths to "protect Ionia", even if he arguably fucks it up because of his Shadow shenanigans. Syndra, as of now, has no reason to ally with someone like that. "And if you are Ionian,' she mused, then you are my enemy.'" * To add to the previous point, Syndra has so far been described as the biggest threat to Ionia. Doesn't mean she will _be_ that threat, but she still is a threat. I don't think Zed would see her with good intentions. At best, he'd want to use her, which she would hate, and at worst, he'd try to kill her, which... She would hate too. * Syndra currently lacks a defined goal. I'd rather her find her own purpose. She's her own character, she can be her own force in the Ionian conflict, I don't want her to somehow join Zed and have the same goal, it would be uninteresting for her character. * In relation to my previous point, while this is more something I would personally like, I think Syndra can make her own faction in the Ionian conflict, with her own ideology, to bring something new to the table. Something that could enter in conflict with Zed's order, Shen's Kinkou, and whatever Irelia and Karma will be up to. I am personally fine with that link removed. Unpopular opinion but Syndra x Zed is definitely not something I want to see. Syndra is my favourite champion, and there are so many interesting things to do with her, much more than "Zed's girlfriend". She is a force to be reckoned with, a character with incredible power and potential, she should definitely be her own thing during that conflict, a new faction/side rising against the already established factions.
EdgeLady (NA)
: Will there be another art commission for The Echoes Left Behind, like there was for Where Icathia Once Stood last year?
Nop, the server hasn't organized a fundraising this year :x
: Ya I understand this reaction but this was me spitting out ideas so I can discuss it more now~ I think that Syndra has been "chilling in her castle" for way too long now and needs to be included in new lore somewhere. I don't understand how her story is not a big deal to major ionian leaders. I did mention before that most had forgotten about it, but I don't think the spirits would and it would cause a huge disruption of spiritual behavior and cause others to investigate. She doesn't have to be confined forever to the castle but essentially she will be anyway if they release more ionian stories without mentioning her, you know what I mean? I think her meeting and connecting with another human on her own for the first time, and realizing that her powers could be used in more "creative" ways than destruction would be a good direction to take her. I guess it would be ironic or not make sense that Aphelios would be granted WEAPONS buuut each use a unique part of Syndra's capibilites.
Well I agree and disagree? Syndra definitely needs a more anchored place in Ionia and Runeterra at large. Right now she feels disconnected from everything, as she comes from a different era, and the place she was trapped in is at the edge of Ionia... However it makes sense in that she has just come back. I do think Syndra will be of major importance (for good or for ill) in whatever happens next. But for now she has yet to come back to the mainland. I'd reckon The Dreaming Pool is one of the most recent events in term of timeline for Ionia, which is why we haven't heard a lot about Syndra. I still have to write that theory thread about Syndra and the seer's prophecy at the end of The Dreaming Pool (another one that is) about her meeting Kalan's children...
Sergej561 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Falrein,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=c7iKqNGE,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-12-19T12:31:22.262+0000) > > Lovely answer {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}} > > But I love being a bother when it comes to Syndra > > While that's definitely true, I'd say her power is destructive because she uses it in a highly negative state of mind (anger, bitterness, all that stuff), highly unstable emotions, etc... I do think her power could do other things that destroy (she doesn't seem to do it on purpose anyway, so it does seem like a side effect of her anger. Which is also reinforced by one of Scathelocke's posts a long time ago!) > > That's it for me being annoying :p > > P.S. Nice summoner icon ;) Yeah, I guess I agree. Spirit magic in general is tied to emotions, and Syndra's whole life is pretty much just defined by negative emotions, so. Unless she starts being more positive, I don't think we'll see much of Syndra's more non destructive magic. Also as a Syndra fan, don't worry you're not annoying at all, I quite enjoy all of your posts :D
Oh I definitely agree! And to be fair I'm all for Syndra wreaking havoc here and there before being less positive! Show those Ionians who's the real deal, etc, etc... :p Oh my god thank you {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-rainbows}}
Sergej561 (EUNE)
: >Something that I thought of which I haven't seen anyone else point out is Alune vs Syndra's situation. They are both in some magical floating fortress. (Syndra "gives" the fortress her power, and the other fortress gives Alune power) Outside of "white haired girl in temple" there really is little to no similarity between Syndra and Alune. While the temple Syndra lifted up has significance to her, all in all it's a pretty generic temple. Also she in no way "empowered" the temple, she only lifted it telepathically. You don't empower or change objects' properties with telepathy, you just lift em up with your mind. Also, Syndra could've easily snatch a house or something and she can leave her temple if she wants to. This is in no way similar to Alune's situation. For one, Alune's temple isn't "floating", it's in the spirit realm, normal physics don't apply there so to say something can fly or float in the spirit realm would be completely inaccurate. Secondly, Alune can't leave the temple. She's in the spirit realm, if she left god knows where she end up, and that's assuming she has the option to leave anyways. >What I am really trying to say here is that what if Syndra's story continued. She planted her fortress down somewhere maybe or someone was like "hey look up there" and decided to venture in. Good moment to make Syndra more human and less maniacal evil villain. Syndra is power hungry and all but she is still human and this is a perfect time for her to take a break orrr find out whats going on in Ionia considering she is now just a fairy tale to the public...time for her to meet someone. One way or another she gains a disciple --> now she is the master (albeit not a good position for her) who is willing to let her take control. It has been shown she can quite literally take control of whats around her with her dark powers so why not expand that to inbuing it within others as she sees fit. Yeah no, I want Syndra's story to continue as much as any other Syndra fan but this ain't the way to do it. As Falrein mentioned, her being a master makes no sense since she herself barely understands her powers, she wouldn't be able to explain what and how she's doing what she's doing. Her powers also seem extremely unique to her, it's clearly not normal magic and it's clearly super powerful, I really doubt she could find someone in the world that has similar powers to her. Also, she can't imbue anyone with power, her powers seem 100% destructive, other than her telepathy of course. >Thus "Aphelios" or whatever his new name would be is instead Syndra's foot soldier, gaining information, and just doing whatever while she chills in her castle. What would be the benefit of this exactly? Aphelios would have his entire personality, his entire existence, dependent on Syndra? I'm sorry, but that's what you call a side character, not a champion. Look at what they did to Senna, before her release she was just "Lucian's wife**TM**" but now she's an actual character with her own personality and her own goals. While Senna is teaming up with Lucian, she still isn't completely dependent on him to work as a character and certainly doesn't depend on him being strong. "Syndra's henchman" isn't exactly a compelling character, even if you give him a backstory and personality outside of that, he still won't have his own goals and his powers will still entirely depend on Syndra (assuming you want Syndra to replace Alune). Aphelios and Alune have a much better dynamic, they're both individually strong, but together they work great as a team. Syndra and "Syndra's henchman" would be really pointless since Syndra herself is so ridiculously OP that she would just completely overshadow her henchman. > You could even say "theres a mystical Ionian flower that the monks brewed into tea to resist Syndra's power so that they maintained conscious thought when she tried to project her power onto them, negative side affects include squeezing the throat or whatever" so this new Aphelios can keep his gimmick as a method to stop Syndra's magic from destroying his body. I don't think you understood the point of the flower in Aphelios' story. He's not drinking poison to "protect himself from Alune's power", he's doing it so that he's so numb that Alune can use the poison as a catalyst to interact with him i.e talking to him and giving him weapons. The poison in Aphelios' story is meant to represent his devotion to both his faith and his sister, he's completely willing to drink extremely painful poison with no hesitation just so he can get stronger to fight for the Lunari AND so that he can talk to his sister again. It just being an anti Alune drug so he isn't destroyed by it takes away from the whole point, in a way it kinda comes off as him rejecting Alune. So no, just keeping the "he drink poison flower" thing isn't enough for his story, the flower itself is meaningless out of context, but it's significant in his lore. >I think Aphelios felt more shoehorned in rather than naturally expanding the faction of Lunari As a somewhat fan of Aphelios, I disagree. Aphelios did expand the culture of the Lunari. Before Aphelios the most we knew about the Lunari was that they were outcasted (based on Diana's lore) and that they had teachers (Zoe's lore). Outside of a few cameos (like Zoe's teachers, they might've even been the only Lunari we saw pre Aphelios) we never really had any true Lunari. Diana never met Lunari, she just saw the ruins of one of their temples. Aphelios definitely expanded on the culture of the Lunari. They seem completely willing to enforce and raising child assassins and mages, they seem to blend spirituality with their celestial beliefs, with them having a spirit moon and a physical moon. And the most important part, it's implied that the power dynamic in Targon is once again shifting. Aphelios also being the first non aspect human in Targon was a nice change, the Aspects are fun and all but it was about time for some regular humans (or well, as regular as you can get being a league champ).
Lovely answer {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}} But I love being a bother when it comes to Syndra > Also, she can't imbue anyone with power, her powers seem 100% destructive While that's definitely true, I'd say her power is destructive because she uses it in a highly negative state of mind (anger, bitterness, all that stuff), highly unstable emotions, etc... I do think her power could do other things that destroy (she doesn't seem to do it on purpose anyway, so it does seem like a side effect of her anger. Which is also reinforced by one of Scathelocke's posts a long time ago!) That's it for me being annoying :p P.S. Nice summoner icon ;)
: Aphelios should have expanded on Syndra's story, not been a Lunari
Ok, ok... Let's talk about all that. > They are both in some magical floating fortress. (Syndra "gives" the fortress her power, and the other fortress gives Alune power) Not quite sure what's the point? I mean the resemblance ends here. Syndra has cataclysmic powers who can destroy magical energies around. Alune... Can create weapons .-. > Good moment to make Syndra more human and less maniacal evil villain. Syndra is power hungry and all I wanna clear this as well. Xerath is powerhungry. He killed and deceived and brought the fall of an entire Empire to get power. And apparently he wants more. Syndra has only ever tried to control her own power. Her new lore in particular reinforced that. She already has power, she wants to develop it like you would develop your drawing skills. She's not actively looking to _gain_ more power. She killed Konigen because he had betrayed her. Do remember that Syndra was an abused child. So when she got those OP powers she finally had something to make her special. And that one man, to her, tried to take it away. And she's far away from "maniacal evil villain". She hasn't done anything that could be described as "evil". Questionable? Sure. But she didn't do it out of malice and without reason. If anything **most** of it was self-defense. > One way or another she gains a disciple --> now she is the master (albeit not a good position for her) who is willing to let her take control. It has been shown she can quite literally take control of whats around her with her dark powers so why not expand that to inbuing it within others as she sees fit. That wouldn't be a good idea. Syndra doesn't seem to know a lot about her powers as she was seemingly never taught much. And you'd make her a master? There are many ways to continue Syndra's story but I believe this wouldn't do it. > Thus "Aphelios" or whatever his new name would be is instead Syndra's foot soldier, gaining information, and just doing whatever while she chills in her castle. So you're saying you'd rather Syndra do nothing in her fortress? I am sorry love but that won't do. Syndra's a character with amazing potential. The last thing she should do is "chilling in her castle"... > You could even say "theres a mystical Ionian flower that the monks brewed into tea to resist Syndra's power so that they maintained conscious thought when she tried to project her power onto them, negative side affects include squeezing the throat or whatever" so this new Aphelios can keep his gimmick as a method to stop Syndra's magic from destroying his body. So... Syndra, who is said to be incredibly powerful, whose powers can poison magical energies... Could be stopped... By a flower? I think a great part of her story will be to _learn_ not to fck up spiritual energies. Which would be more interesting than it being stopped by a mere flower? She's threatening. As such, she shouldn't be countered by a flower of all things... _______________ All in all I wholeheartedly disagree with your post. Which is fine, not everyone has the same opinion. But as someone who loves Syndra, this would be a huge restraint to her character imo! ~~Sorry if this answer ever comes off as rude, it's morning and I just woke up so I may be missing some tact.~~
Mcmxcix (NA)
: > This is what her old bio was saying. Mistress of the black arts... She _was_ a witch, and she _should_ be a witch. She's literally named after the Arthurian famous sorceress Morgan LeFay... Coincidence, also the name itself it's an amazing one. >She went on Runeterra to learn dark arts. Which is magic. Which is exactly what make a witch...? She's a fallen angel, can you read that? AME DAMME, learning something doesn't make you IT. It's like me learning to swim and i'm a world class swimmer or a swimmer? no, i'm a regular guy who knows hot to SWIM. She's a Fallen Angel who learned dark ARTS.... .... .... (>.<)7
It's in no way a coincidence. Riot's always been rather careful with names. Her first name was Morgana Le. I don't believe it's a coincidence. First of all, it is Âme Damnée. There's an N. Being a fallen angel is not incompatible with being a witch. Also arguably, current Morgana has of fallen but the name. She never liked her power. She never felt the pride of being a celestial being. She says it herself "I didn't fall from grace, I leapt.". Morgana is less of a Fallen Angel than Aatrox. Aaaaand your example is counterable. Knowing how to swim makes you, by default, a swimmer. Not necessarily a good one, but still one. Now if you're a _master_ at swimming... Then yeah I'd expect you to be a damn good one. And Morgana was literally called "Mistress of the dark arts". Also... That's literally what a witch is? You can be of celestial ascendance and still be a Witch? If you've become a master at your craft (which, in this case is magic on a scholarly level)... You should be considered one. If you take that away from her, she becomes a weak, bad and uninteresting character who won't be able to match Kayle, who's been training for centuries, when the time comes. Maybe you like Morgana as a weakling, but I don't, and I sure hope she's been harnessing the powers of the world she loves so much
Mcmxcix (NA)
: Morgana wasn't a witch in her old story ... she was a fallen Angel aka Ame Damme, on which she went to find other source to fight her sister and her stupid goal aka "justice". Morgana wasn't evil in her OLD and she's not evil in her NEW lore either. Old Morgana had an amazing personality, the new Morgana has literally none, she's just a ????? and !!!!!!! towards Demacians and that's it, old Morgana knew what to say. Old Morgana had an amazing animation and concept, the new one is blatantly pathetic and she looks like an Adult Sex Toy, and let's not talk about her ... wings ... Tail?! Back to her old Lore, she fought Kayle due to the fact that she was a FANATIC and an Extremist to the point she smite her Sister 'cause she showed her other aspects of life and listen to reason, but hey ... "Justice" shall prevail. She's a Ame Damme and she caught a glance to the Shadow on which she took it 'cause it was Logical that Darkness ∅ Light and vice-versa(depends on the situation). Now let's talk about Kayle, her Old model was Ok'ish and i loved her old Full Plate armor ... now she's in a 70% Spandex and some lame ass Armor designed to show us what? Her old Lore was like in her Sister's case better than the new one and she didn't lack Personality like the new one ... now she's like GAREN but FEMALE. Her old dance was pathetic, her new dance is even more r%%%%%ed(don't you dare rito delete this post 'cause i use true words) than her old one. The only good thing about new Kayle is her Animation and Overall skins rework and that's it. Again, Morgana wasn't and will never be a WITCH, she's a AME DAMME and she was(STILL?) is amazing if they will revert her Model to the Old one. Kayle on the other Hand, she sucked backt then, she sucks now. Kayle old Abilities were amazing, you could play SUPPORT with her, now she's useless or little broken depending on the team composition. Morgana > Kayle, any day, any week, any other future reworks, the only thing will make me be displeased and i am displeased with her is her Stupid Passive and Her NEW ADULT SEX TOY MODEL in game + her ... wings? ... TAIL!?
> Morgana wasn't a witch in her old story ... she was a fallen Angel aka Ame Damme, on which she went to find other source to fight her sister and her stupid goal aka "justice". She went on Runeterra to learn dark arts. Which is magic. Which is exactly what make a witch...? "Driven by vindictive obsession, Morgana is a potent mistress of suffering and the black arts." This is what her old bio was saying. Mistress of the black arts... She _was_ a witch, and she _should_ be a witch. She's literally named after the Arthurian famous sorceress Morgan LeFay...
: I agree with everything you said about Syndra. I do understand why Riot would want to take her out of the Noxian invasion, and I think they did that in the most graceful way possible, but it does leave her in a massive vacuum as a result. A short story from her perspective would probably fix almost all of her problems in regards to her personality and goals, but in order to get her out of the vacuum, there's going to be more interactions between her and everyone else. Maybe the upcoming Ionian juggernaut will have some words for her? It might be small, but it would be something. As regards to Kayle and Morgana, I agree that Kayle needs a more positive portrayal. I think Riot was trying to aim for that, but ultimately fell short and just made her seem overzealous and cruel and downright unlikeable, especially compared to Morgana, who I think has a lot of sympathy from the narrative. But I don't really think Morgana's prime archetype is supposed to be a witch. She's mostly been a fallen angel, and I think she continues to uphold that archetype. Plus, if the story "Prayer to a Crumbling Shrine" is supposed to reflect what she really is like, then it shows that Morgana hasn't completely sworn off of magic? I guess that if you have no way to get rid of it, might as well use it to your liking? Also, I think it's been said that Morgana's magic is still celestial, just corrupted and darkened due to her rejection of divinity. I doubt she's using spiritual and elemental magic, and to be honest I hope that's not the case. I think that would be too out of place. To be honest, I don't mind Kayle and Morgana not showing up yet in physical form. It retains the fact that they have become legends within Demacia, and it builds up for the time they both eventually come back. My only issue about this is that we don't know exactly where the heck Morgana is. Kayle we know is at Targon, but Morgana is... wandering around Demacia? On the edge of its borders? Retaining secrecy? Secretly answering a selected few? It's unclear. Also, voted for burritos. I can't eat tacos without making a mess.
So since we agree on most point I'll jump to the disagreeing part... (and I'm sorry because it's something very important to me!) Morgana being a witch should remain (pun intended). I know it matters a lot to me. Because I really don't want a crybaby rejecting magic as one of my favourite characters - at least not when she originally was a powerful witch. I don't even think she fits the fallen angel archetype that much (Aatrox is a much better fit to be fair)? She always resented her powers, even if she wasn't that reluctant to use them before. I don't think making her use Elemental and Spiritual powers would be weird. By virtue of resenting her Celestial power, it would make sense for her to dabble in the more "earthly" magic? My main problem is that their story is largely going to a climax where they'll fight again. Kayle's been training on Targon. In plain and simple words she should be much stronger. If Morgana hasn't developped her witch side... Then she'll be powerless in comparison. I mean it could happen, but it'd be uninteresting to have a Morgana as a weakling imo? She's the one with glowing hands, she's even named after Morgan LeFay, if that's not screaming witch I don't know what does :/ All in all I just don't want Morgana to be a useless crybaby rejecting her powers when the time comes, you know? She's been growing angry and bitter at Kayle, knowing she would return. I think she would prepare for that? _________ Regarding where she is, she lives in the woods on the outskirt of Demacia according to Jellbug! Ah? I voted Tacos! But I'm biased because there's quite a Handsome Taco on our lore server ;)
: 2019 Lore Tournament - Day 10: Canticle of the Winged Sisters vs Snow Day
So I'll vote Canticle. Kayle and Morgana bias. But ultimately I find the story rather interesting. While it is a major retelling of their bios, it has such an eloquent and interesting use of words. My biggest regret is the lack of rhymes. But yeah I just love it. It's very different and I seem to have understood that it's not very appreciated. But I love it. > With chains she bound black feathers tight > And vanished through the mists of time. I just love that story. Admittedly I have a big bias but after reading it several times over... I just think it's a very good story, albeit very different from what we're used to having.
: I like the story of Syndra because it kinda cements the Ionia's total inability to deal with complicated matters. {{champion:134}} A child is abused and neglected by her own family, has a lot of negative emotions that lead to powerful magic, is handed over by her family to the first stranger willing to get them rid of her? She feels betrayed by her teacher because he lied to her and revealed that her temple was meant to be her prison until she dies of old age? Needs someone who would show her care and understanding in addition to discipline and self-control? Nah, let's just put her into stasis and make her go through her childhood abuse over and over again in her sleep to punish her for being so angry due to all abuse and neglect. {{champion:64}} A boy is talented and prideful? Okay, I guess making him do chores without actually explaining the dangers of pride and arrogance would suffice. Oh, he fucked up because we didn't explain shit? Better banish him, lol. {{champion:157}} A village idiot kills an elder, even though he was supposed to guard him and had literally no reason to kill him? Eh, who needs a trial and investigation anyways? {{champion:202}} A psycho who killed lots of people in the most sadistic and disgusting way possible has been caught? Let's send him to prison, where he will be enjoying a 3-course meal and painting/sculpturing classes. Yeah, it's not fair to all the people he murdered and their grieving families, but at least our hands are clean!
Yeaaaaaah that's true x) On the topic of Jhin, we were told that killing him might be worse than not doing so, so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on that one. But yeah for the others... :/ Ionia needs to change. Hopefully a new Sovereign will arise and see that it does! :p
: i dont think that she wants to destroy ionia but am not sure , the last time i read syndra lore was when riot changed it to the dream pool thingy . as for her personality she doesnt give me the "am very angry" feel but more like "am power hungry and no one will stop me" , she just feels like someone who lost her self in the ecstasy of power and keep wanting more by whatever means necessary. but i agree her voice lines are short and a bit lacking in spirit i just hope they dont change it too much like what they did with aatrox (i still dont like his voice line)
Oh I don't think she does either - but it could very well go that route. Syndra is pretty much the personification of anger tho (I mean... She killed a whole island by throwing a tantrum, that's harsh). I'm not sure about power hungry, either? Her bio reads to me like someone who would have wanted to be herself, try and explore her own power, but she was denied that privilege. As for her VO... Yup. Well, I don't think they'll change it. Not anytime soon anyway. One can hope, but I don't think she's popular enough to have that?
: In my opinion the most glaring flaw in Kayle's character is her appearance. I just can't get over the armored leggings. Not that I dislike fit women in tight dresses, but in this case this attractiveness is extremely detrimental to everything Kayle is supposed to embody. Nothing speaks "ironclad justice from above" like a good old cameltoe. I guess a winged figure in an heavy, scintillating armor and an inflexible sentence coming out of a faceless helm is fine in order to deliver the concept, but doesn't sell enough skins...
I actually did think about making a part about visual designs but felt like it didn't belong here? Trust me, I could talk about Syndra and Kayle's designs for hours... Morgana's fine, at least!
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: Kinda agree with Syndra, though that always felt like a problem with her character. The way her lore builds her up, I feel like she should be a major player in Ionia, but she has no connections to anyone and her goals seem kinda hazy. I also think that Syndras fanbase might be a problem here. I've seen some people get extremely defensive when it comes to Syndra here on the boards, so I fear that Riot might hesitate to rewrite Syndra too much(or add a lot), because it'll likely end rubbing her fans the wrong way. Diana is the only champ that had such a zealous fanbase here on the boards and her new lore feels like it was made specifically for those, as it painted Diana in a way more positive light. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ When it comes to Kayle and Morgana I agree that their lores depict Kayle a bit too evil, but also that Morganas lore depicts her in a far too positive light. Yes her idea of redeeming criminals instead of killing them is actually quite noble, but so far her view isn't really depicted as a problem like Kayles. I do agree that Morgana doesn't feel like a witch anymore, but I'd argue that this isn't a problem, as Morganas primary archetype was always that of a "fallen angel", which she still has. Her being also a witch, was kinda odd and to be honest I feel like Riot could make a better witch-champ eventually. And yeah Morgana feels similar to Nasus in that she is apparently an immortal who spent the last centuries sulking and doing nothing until their sibling gets active again. I also wonder why Morgana has 6 wings even though she rejects her celestial origins, while Kayle has seemingly to work for her additional wings... Overall however I feel like the problems of Kayle and Morgana stem more from the fact that riot hasn't decided to continue their lores and not because of a fundamental flaw in their lore or character.
Regarding Syndra - I agree. I'm not familiar with the Syndra mains, mostly because of that. I personally really like her current direction, even though it is flawed. I do think she _should_ be a big player in Ionia's future. And I do think she will be, it's just that we're getting progression rather slowly (which is understandable given the whole lot of champions they have to work on)! _______________________ While I agree, I don't think that's quite true. I don't think making Morgana 'more evil' (for lack of better words) would do much, apart from making her less appreciable, and we'd just find ourselves with two unattractive characters. Making Kayle look better would be more interesting. I think that what I would have appreciated more from Morgana's lore is a better take on her killing Ronas. Yes, she protects her followers, but she hated him, she could have just imprisonned him, it would've been better to make this more apparent? On that however I disagree. I _loved_ Morgana for being a witch. And to me, it's a problem if she just refuses to use magic. I understand that you don't mind it, but it's personally one of the reasons why I loved Morgana in the first place. I understand why she resents her celestial origins, and how it can be interesting from a storytelling point of view, but it's really just annoying (again, at least to me), to have Morgana have that stolen from her imo. Another reason why I think so is because when Kayle comes back, she'll have trained for a millenia (at least according to the AMA). I fear Morgana will just be completely useless (whatever the story ends up being) if she isn't a witch anymore and refuses to use her own celestial powers next to her sister who's been training for years. About Nasus, I think they are somewhat similar, but Morgana's just been growing resentment towards her sister, which is a bit different from Nasus (and also why I'm hoping she'll have trained in magic because she knows her sister will come back) Regarding the wings, Kayle has her 6 wings currently lore-wise. I think the in-game thing is just for the sake of her gameplay, and I do think Morgana started with only 2 wings as well? I don't disagree with that, except on the Kayle problem that she isn't portrayed in a good enough light. Sadly, I feel like we won't get much for them in a while :/ I think we're gonna step away from Demacia after the Novella, which is fine, but well :/
: Back in the old seasons I played Kayle a lot, probably my #3 most played champion in the game. I always thought she had one of the coolest themes being somewhat of a protector or guardian of peace, punishing those who act against it with righteousness. The new Kayle feels more like a corrupt cop just going around beating everyone that doesn't kneel during an anthem. Her voice lines are so aggressive and ruthless and I was never really a fan of her anymore once I found that out. It is like 20-30% of the reason I don't play the new Kayle, I cannot stand her personality.
I feel that. I personally didn't care about Kayle prior to her rework, and I now really like her! I feel like she is more of a misguided protector than a corrupted one. She's trying to take over the mantle of her mother without any guidance... I still think she could use some more positive traits, though. I really like the dynamic Kayle and Morgana have, they need each other. They should complete each other. And I'll agree that it may feel unbalanced in what they can bring each other...
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: I'm voting for Kayle just because fuck you Falrein
Ok? You've already jinxed a post of mine once, I've gotten used to it by now ;) Edit - You do realize I also main Kayle, right? So like, if her story comes out winning I won't mind :')
: 2019 Lore Tournament - Day 9: In the Fires of Justice vs Prayer to a crumbling Shrine
Woaw, I was mentioned in the post, what an honor :D Though I must say, this one's unfair. I love Kayle and Morgana so much. So... Let's see. First of all I'll say I loved both stories. I'm a bit sad we didn't get to see Kayle and Morgana's actual selves in their color stories but that's a separate issue. What I love in In The Fires of Justice is the biblical "Final Judgement" vibe it has. Kayle comes in to fight the corrupted king and his court. I especially loved that quote from the story - > ‘Can you undo your deeds of injustice, King?’ asked the Protector. ‘Can you unspeak your lies and unmake your false laws against fair and righteous judgment? No? Then there will be no redemption for you.’ Now in Prayer to a Crumbling Shrine, what I love is the final twist. It's easily predictable, but it's still cool imo. I liked the moral of this tale more, even though I preferred Kayle's burning everything vibe. My favourite part of that story must be - > ‘You defend him, even now,’ said the Veiled One. ‘The wretch has much to learn ere death's mercy lays claim. He alone must feel the pain he caused so he may never hurt another. You came here seeking understanding—its burden is now yours to bear.’ So... With that said, now comes the choice. I'm gonna go with Morgana because she was my first main ever? I wish I could vote for both but I can't...
: 2019 Lore Tournament - Day 8: Adaptation vs Message on a Blade's Edge
Oof this one's close. My vote goes to Adaptation. I liked the whole "reality rejects them" thing on Voidborn. Don't have much to say, I liked both stories, they do their jobs as color stories... Tomorrow's gonna be a hard one :(
: Can someone explain the twin shadows icon
Actually same... I see an old man with a beard...
: I can't believe you all are turning against Tamara {{sticker:sg-janna}}
I mean I was never with her in the first place. Bitch has more appearance than some champions smh
: 2019 Lore Tournament - Day 7: The Echoes left Behind vs The Whispering Doodad
So... The Echoes Left Behind. First of all, because I really like Kalista as a character, and I liked her portrayal in the story. I loved the little tidbits we got on the Black Mist, and Ledros... Well, let's just say he had it rough. Poor buddy. The Whispering Doodad was fun, I liked it. Again, a light-hearted story (written by Graham!) is always welcome. To be fair, I think the only reason I'm voting TELB instead of TWD is because of Kalista, because I really loved both stories.
: 2019 Lore Tournament - Day 6: Halfway Between the Stars and Earth vs For Those Who Have Fallen
Yeah okay look I know Fas (and probably half of the Boards) is gonna hate me but I'm rooting for Soraka. I just loved that story. It's calm and peaceful, it offers a nice change of pace. On a more personal note, I wasn't a fan of the writing style in For Those Who Have Fallen (no offense to Interlocutioner, the story is really good). It's a very good story, I just didn't have much impact on me? Maybe part of the problem comes from the fact that everyone was hyping up Pantheon and I was expecting something else? I don't know... Anyway, two really good stories, but I'm voting for Halfway Between the Stars and Earth!
: 2019 Lore Tournament - Day 5: The Harder Path vs Fit to Rule
: 2019 Lore Tournament - Day 4: Demacian Heart vs Turmoil
"A shield against the Darkness" **_Darkness is a gift!_** _______________________ Both stories are really good, to be fair. I am still gonna go with Turmoil. I like the light tone of it. And admittedly I do have an anti-Sylas bias, but that may be because I've been oversaturated with him and the fact that he's gotten quite some content for such a recent champion. Story-wise, both stories are interesting. But Turmoil wins it for me because it shows the good in Demacia, which is something a lot of people have complained about. Also my Anthony Reynolds bias, I guess? :')
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