Ahris (NA)
: Its called counterplay
: I don't think it failed, current trox has a significantly larger playerbase, has more levers of balance, and is probably healthier to deal with when fed in comparison to old aatrox. They probably need to change his ult and I think he'd be perfectly fine.
What a top tier champion featured in pro play and high elo and is constantly mentioned everywhwere is more popular than old aatrox gutted and never talked about? What kind of sorcery is this? Lets not forget the moment he became semi playanle his playrate skyrocketed to 8-10% without being OP right before the rework. People DO WANT OLD AATROX. Saying he was unhealthy when he had to choose in fight ifg he wants dmg or heal involving decision making while draven runs around full healing per AA and two shotting every non tank. Yeah right. The anti melee bias from riot and this community is insane really considering ranged champions do the same 'unhealthy' thing better with less counterplay.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jaspers,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=orobgNQT,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-08-20T10:09:54.678+0000) > > We just need to wait for them to release a new champ who plays like old Aatrox just without the healing. So, Jax and/or Tryndamere? Hell, the entire point of Aatrox originally was to be a different flavor of Tryndamere considering their lore connection. I mean, "plays like old Aatrox" mainly consists of auto-attacking. His abilities were mainly for sticking to targets or enhancing his autos, both features that Jax has. Aatrox's healing was also wholly stronger than other melee AS champions, considering he got it every third hit rather than from a condition _(like Trundle needing to be near dying units)_ and it didn't cost him any resources. This type of sustain is very volatile and easily broken with just a single changed item or mechanic. Such as 4.20 Warwick. If you know/remember patch 4.20 Warwick, that's exactly why Aatrox had to be reworked. And in fact the same thing DID end up happening right before the rework, when Rageblade/Conqueror pushed Aatrox a bit over the edge.
And? We have twenty ranged rightclickers that seem to be the non plus ultra in league but people arent allowed to enjoy melee autoattackers? The is no difference between them they all use their abilities to stay away from targets and just autoattack yada yada.
: I’m looking at the nerfs section and I don’t see Pyke trist or Vayne
U will see them in buff section soon
Laçez (EUW)
: Why u hating on Kindred?
Because kindred is a shittier design? Zero counterplay statcheck that still kills everyone from lvl 3 on in an E and three autos? Basically a ranged renekton with less counterplay and thankfully unpopular which will change after buff
: Galio, Ryze, Kalista, and maybe Pantheon deserve this buff… rest doesn't.
Kalista deserves nothing but to rot until a rework. Ryze is already very strong bc every ape can now play him.
Tanerian (NA)
: Happens every game. So ya should know it's coming and ward appropriately? Not trying to be obtuse. But ya know it's coming (because it happens every game) and you know WHEN it is coming, and you can start with a ward trinket.
U do realize there are champions with powerspikes? As camille i only have lvl 1-3 until i start losing against every matchup and need to snowball on that so i have to accept to lose lane and the game bc the junlger can sit top for five minutes without being punished? Great design. no changes to jungle please.
: they are losing plenty by doing a gank toplane, if your jg is good he will invade their blue, land a gank botlane, he gets prio over scuttle, if it happens so oftern be ready for it, ward early ask ur jg to start blue and counter gank. or just complain to the boards :)
INVADING BLUE AHAHAHAHAHA Man u jungle players are so bad u dont even understand your own role. VERTICAL JUNGLE META EXISTS FOR OVER A YEAR NOW. No jungler gives a fuck about blue side. Red gives WAY MORE XP and junglers just silently agree to play their red side so top/mid and mid/bot everyone gets scuttle and the enemy blue side and their own red side so camping top is perfectly fine as is camping bot.
: > [{quoted}](name=XXXMurderPenguin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=chElNXHo,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-08-20T01:27:16.143+0000) > > 100% > > Riot needs to nerf Early Jungle EXP and scale it up after 10m You're a genius. Amazing idea. Lets make the first camps not even give a level so that jungle is basically worthless and any champ without AOE is basically fucked.
Yes, maybe making jungle so piss easy that every champ can be played there was a mistake. Maybe not every champ should be playable in every role. 10 years of the same mistakes lets keep repeating them
: > [{quoted}](name=feintfiend,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=chElNXHo,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-20T00:02:50.202+0000) > > Top lane doesn't matter anymore, the better player no longer wins top. > > Top lane is decided off who picks second and who's jungler bothers to gank. > > I hate it when I get no ganks, enemy jg camps me, and every lane still loses. How the fuck does that happen?? Welcome to what every lane has to deal with when they're camped. **Get off the cross. We need the wood.** I agree though level 2 ganks top lane ruins the game, specifically because the types of broken champions that are up top. If they get a lead, they're so oppressive and the game spirals even if the other lanes win.
NO BECAUSE EVERY OTHER LANE/ROLE/CLASS HAS THE ABILITY TO PKAY FROM BEHIND AND PLAY FOR LATEGAME. BRUISERS DO NOT. The most expensive and worst scaling items are bruiser items that are only worth a bit if you snowball. Thanks to riot removing conq and trinity sterak. So NO it is NOT like every other role. Every mage, support, adc can comeback and scale. Bruisers do not.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=chElNXHo,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-20T01:19:31.856+0000) > > You mean the same adcs that cried for crit reverts and got their wish answered, unlike toplaners who had every bit of evidence to show Riven is over the top were told it was a "Western phenomenon" and had to wait 8 patches for a "nerf", then another 6 till she was finally hit with an actual nerf. At least Riot listens to adcs. You mean the same adcs that litteraly couldn't play their role anymore and became so weak bruisers were just coming into the only lane they were allowed to be in and crushing them, and this lasted for an entire half a season right? Or do you mean the adcs who get gutted out of every other role they become even close to playable in?
LOL Still spouting that nonsense i see. No bruiser EVER went botlane other than irelia who was so broken she was pcked every poisition just to have irelia on the team but irelia=60 bruiser apparently. It was MAGES who went bot and some tanks like ornn. It took riot two patches to massively compensation buff every adc in the game and meddle with the items. Meanwhile toplane? Trinity/sterak removed for items WE NEVER RECEIVED IN THE FIRST PLACE effectively destroying every bruisers lategame. trinity/sterak was the only powerful lategame option for bruisers. Never reverted never compensated. Instead additionally every bruiser directly nerfed as well+conq reworked into a piece of shit that worked on like 5 champs and got gutted so hard even they dont want to take it anymore e.g. grasp fiora, grasp jax etc. And in this half season of adcs being "unplayable" among the highest ranked adcs were kai'sa, lucian, varus players. Man so unplayable being able to reach the top 5 of chally on an unplayable role. Go to leaderboards look how many toplaners are in chall at all and how many at the top. In EUW the first one at place 20 is fuckin odoamne a beast of a player. And the next 20 places comes nothing again. Dont give me this fuckin adc victim complex the most catered to role since s6. U guys got reworked s4,s6, s7, s8,s9 like what the fuck do you want. Oj s7 wasnt a rework just a gigantic needless buff BEFORE ardent was even a thing. Meanwhile toplane...crickets. Oh kennen lost 3 AD fixed forever guys. Most autofilled role at plat+ noone plays it anymore. Just look at reddit how long the weekly toplane post lasts, 5 hours before its downvoted to hell. ADC not the most broken thing ever? FIVE FRONTPAGE POSTS A DAY. And lets not even talk about BC still being held hostage by one fuckin rightclicker. 60 champions have to have a shit item bc of ONE ADC. Botrk reworked from bruiser item to adc item. Rageblade is now also a ranged only item. Oh tp nerfed again and again BECAUSE OF NON TOPLANERS. Now u even got a better steraks 0f y0ur own for SIX HUNDRED less gold that doesnt need additional items to be even worth building. Just stop talking with your adc bullshit.
: > [{quoted}](name=Anubis Starlord,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nE5t2kv6,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2019-08-19T18:59:01.069+0000) > > You just proved my point. Its not core and it is situational. I'd consider it core on quite a few champs. It works great on all these champs too: {{champion:80}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:2}} {{champion:164}}{{champion:266}}
Camille, aatrox and Kled with spear of shojin OMEGALUL.
: Not really. His late is still good, and his early is still good. His late right now is broken because of the item. Its the same reason why Ren is a problem.
Neither renekton nor jax are really good in lategame. People keep seeing the 1v1 on a sidelane as "lategame" when league realistically ever since riot made splitpush obsolete and pushed the 5v5 deathball adc meta is a permanent teamfight and neither renekton nor jax are really good at it anymore.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jesi Oni,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nE5t2kv6,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-19T17:02:19.301+0000) > > But when you will build it anyway? I have seen few jax players~ mostly they build triforce and then lifesteal. Soo... Third item? My games are decided at this point most of the time 🤣 Why does it matter when you build it? I'm talking if it's too good in the cases where it is built.
If it's only built in a few cases maybe it just isn't a good item? If even the champions who would want it every time don't build it it just isn't that good.
: k then make {{item:3814}} permanent like {{item:3102}} , this AP mage bias on the boards is so dumb
Well mage and adc players are the only players left with a few junglers here and there sooo its a given everything else gets downvoted and dont dare to mention they are overpowered.
: its riot games we're talking about here u really think they can fix a second game when they cant even fix their first XD
yeah idk if riot honestly believes anyone is playing another new game. TFT is so shit thanks to the same stupid designers that ruined SR so who would want another new game instantly ruined by incompetent shitty devs?
: Hots was a rather trash moba from the beginning. Interesting concept and I liked the character concepts, but fights felt lack luster and weren't that strong.
Hots was great. Way better balanced than league, better champ design just too casual and more importantly when they started to make the game heroes of overwatch it lost its style kinda.
: My point was that there will not be a new moba with or without new features. The competition fromlol, dota 2 and the mobile mobas is simply to great and tough for a new one to survive. Just look at what happened with mmos, every single one was compared to World of warcraft and ended up dying on its feet (rightly or wrongly) because of it. Only wow, upcomming vanilla wow and the korean style pay to wins are played now. One more thing is that companies will churn out fortnite clones now as the are fotm and easy cash grabs.
Disagree, SWTOR was a great MMO and the devs killed it by making it too casual nerfing every grind aspect into the ground, gave no shit about PVE balance, failed to lvl up dungeons when new expansion released so every ape raid could clear it on nim and the final nail in the coffin was to only focus on cartel market cash grab thanks to EA. Basically the same path league is going since s5 just that league had a better start and die hard nostalgia fanbase
: As an OGSwain player (and fangirl), I can tell you that even after over a year it still hurts. A LOT. Why, just last night I was having a dream where I was telling someone why the rework was a complete failure in all aspects. While I can't talk about Aatrox or Panth as I haven't played them, I want those who feel betrayed or angry to know that you have my solidarity. It us fine to feel upset, no matter what anyone, especially the new mains (huge problem in the Swain community. I ended up expecting abuse and harassment as the norm) tell you otherwise.
Used to be one of the best swain mid players in EUW together with betsy (he had like less than 1% pickrate iirc) at diamond 1. Played a lot of old aatrox too. While i can still somewhat enjoy the new aatrox swain is just fuckin terrible. Swain was so unique in his character, kit and playstyle. All for another generic hit long range CC to onehit mage.
5050BS (NA)
: Riot Jungle has too much Weight in the game.
But if jungle isn't giga broken and can't just run around the map killing everyone LCS will be BOOORIIIING. Can't have that can we? Remember when jungling actually hurt your HP and junglers didn't run into jungle doing camps TO HEAL THEMSELVES UP!? Lmao. What a stupid busted role. But what do you expect when a 1k games silver 5 hardstuck rammus OTP reworks the jungle (RiotFearless btw).
: > [{quoted}](name=GayFluffyUnicorn,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=a8LJv8wJ,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-08-17T20:37:02.405+0000) > > +he perma slows u unlike darius and he builds broken mage items so yeah Yah, you can buy Zhonyas on him is a massive plus, you go domination ravenous + conq and while your in Zhonyas you will heal a good 30% hp and your shield cooldown will tick down. Darius doesnt have this luxury for example, Rylais and Liandryies synergise very well with him
Yeah its super stupid especially considering old swain could do that and riot bitched about it but its fine on morde. NO FAVORISM FROM RIOT THO
: I lost many times myself vs morde cause I play mostly melees. Pick a mobile melee with cc, dash or sustain - or pick mentioned mages/adc. I like to play swain top for example as a joker pick ^^ (works really well vs other bullies like illa too) If your team doesn’t lose the other lanes and you have an adc who can actually play his champ you should win easily.
Which is exactly the point people are making, if your only way to win is rely on your team or pick specific champions its shit design.
: How does Riot think a veteran Aatrox and Panth main feels about their reworks?
Riot doesn'T care that's the point. They took aatrox and swain from me, while new aatrox is atleast fun to play rework swain is utter garbage. Old swain was very unique, there was no other DoT based dmg dealer like him. Amazing zone control, epic frontline mage reworked into your generic hit CC and oneshot mage. With a random ass W which is by far the most stupid spell in the game coupled with a trash tier ult. While the explosion is "fun" and "exciting" it's just another generic oneshot burst piece of shit ability and the heal is basically non existent.
: > [{quoted}](name=Liszten,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WqXR9Y2s,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-08-17T10:20:38.950+0000) > > Playing since season 1, never had a poblem with smurfs because they usually occured too seldom to be bothered by it. Im a gold/plat player and its getting out of hand lately, every other game one team gets on of these lvl 30-40 guys that have ~95% winrate and go 20-1 every game. Ever played with a jungler in your mmr when the enemy team has a legit smurf jungler going apeshit on you whole team ? --> its not fun! > Its also not that fun when this guy is on your team, makes to whole processe of playing ranked kinda worthless.... > Wonder if im just unlucky right now or if some of you have similar issues? its mostly guys getting banned on their main and playing on smurf or people that are hard stuck plat/dia 5 and want to make themselves feel better by stomping new players. not much can be done about it except force those guys to climb out as quickly as possible by skipping elo brackets.
Or maybe the game is actually just shit at hih mmr? There exists more than your low elo bubbles. Riot ruined any game quality and ranked integrity this season, coupled with terrible balance choices. Noone enjoys the game being held hostage by 20 champions riot refuses to do anything about it while having a coinflip matchmaking where u can very well have plat 5s-d5s still sitting around high diamond/masters making the games pure coinflip on who has the better plat/d5 on their team.
: Maybe because Aatrox was reworked from his old (but imo great and lovely) state into some scuffed riven 2.0. I mean look at max rank q downtime with 40% cdr on Aatrox, all he does now is press r and use his abilities getting those occasional passive autos off in fights.
Thats literally every rework ever. Riot hates sustain damage champs. Aatrox reworked into a oneshot piece of shit, swain reworked into a oneshot piece of shit, even shen mini reworked from outsustaining and winning by attrition with Q and poke wittling u down into a oneshot piece of shit. Every new champ is a oneshot piece of shit: kai'sa, sylas, neeko, qiyana, akali, irelia. Only adcs are allowed to deal sustain dmg but even then it's sustained burst dmg since they kill u in three autos. God do i miss the times when ignite was REQUIRED to have kill pressure in lane but i can already foresee the downvotes and dozens of comments how dmg is now the lowest it has ever been when in reality there were like two champions oneshotting u and everyone hated the shit out of it: rengar and leblanc. Crit rengo, AP lich bane rengo there were so many r%%%%% tier oneshot builds on rengo. Now being able to one combo people at lvl 3 is a given. HP regen used to mean something. Playing for lategame by rushing a cutlass toplane to outustain a losing matchup and get to your items. Not doable when lategame hits 12 minutes into the game. Mana pots for sustain in lane.
: Morde is clunky and kit able if he gets you he deserves to destroy you imho
thank god the only champions played in this game are mages and adcs amirite?
: Nah, his skillshots arent the problem, tbh i dont know what is. I think I got rank 1 Mordekaiser eune when I was in masters, I personally dont know what part of him makes him so strong but he is insanely powerful. Whenever I fight him I seem to dodge everything but once his passive is up he WILL out damage you with or without his skillshots, I think its a mix of him being too tanky and dealing too much damage. In that sense he is similar to Darius but he has easier access to his targets, i.e, his E is MUCH longer, his passive gives him more move speed, his R isolates allowing him to stack up his passive
+he perma slows u unlike darius and he builds broken mage items so yeah
: Well he has low base stats.... Wait no he doesnt Well at least he goes oom fast.... Wait that's another no At least he doesn't have an engage or disengage.... That's another no His first item is super expensive... Wait that's a no as well Oh wait, he has a weak early game or falls of late game... No he's fine in both of those {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
lightning rushes forward, lightning rushes backward
Moody P (NA)
: it's fun when aatrox misses his sweet spots and still win trades Great rework
Yeah i noticed that recently on kled. Dodge first Q, dodge second q, third q then hits ofc+passive hit and basically outtraded my entire kit like yeah okay.
Divin1ty (EUW)
: No, fuck off with that change, it removes all counterplay to doding his Qs and is only requested by low skilled Aatrox Players.
Yeah right cuz it's now so different from being hit once and then dying from full health. I think that's what a lot of people dont get. When riot makes kits so unreliable it has to pay off when it finally works and it leads to shitty situations like illaoi being a oneshot piece of shit, irelia, aatrox. And u thinking hitting an EQ into double W into guarantee combo is more skillful than having double E is actually funny. Both the same outcome due to a shitty kit relying on a single ability.
: Ranged bullies never dominates late game,
Bring back trinity steraks, bring back old conq so bruisers have ACTUAL lategame scaling and you can do that.
enshine (NA)
: just false lmfao tied with mid for most impactful role in the game there are _other things_ you can do with your time when you can't gank. invade. your team has prio. ping spam "on my way" when you invade. establish deep vision. take dragons. lane gank. countergank. not hard to track a jungler.
Basically, he should track the jungler and countergank to keep his obviously winning lanes ahead. Instead he will cry in all chat as he does on the boards "EVERYONE PUSHES AND EXPECTS ME TO GANK XD! BETTER JUNGLE WINS !XD!"
: Do you even know what the names of the different teams refer to?
Do you? Because reading on this boards it seems people here have absolutely no clue. The LIVE DESIGN TEAM=BALANCE TEAM but too many people get fooled by the name.
: There's actually AFKers almost every game now
I mean riot encourages going afk. I've learned my lesson by now. After another permaban with the worst thing i ever said in every chat restrict/ban instance calling people "s8 plats" im just either running it down or afking every game people annoy me. Makes things so much easier. Apparently it's super toxic and negative overall to ask people why they did "x instead of y". Can't even talk about the fuckin game itself anymore without being considered "toxic". So what's the point in this garbage ass game. Ruin the ranked ladder, permaban everyone who dares to disagree with his teammates. People running it down, afking every second game from low to high elo. The permaban before that was literally me only saying "go next" when our draven ran it down midlane in a game we actually won. Still have the screenshots from support telling me it's super negative to say go next. The fun thing is the game before i called our mf r%%%%% (after she insulted me) and asked if the r%%%%% triggered the ban, that i would atleast somewhat understand, nope support said it wasn't the r%%%%% but "go next" that was too negative to not ban me lmao. this game and the company needs a 180 turn, if riot thinks a new game will be popular and sustainable seeing how riot manages their current ONLY GAME THEY HAVE is madness to put it simple.
: People are roflstomping with him? I think I've only seen a single Pantheon not feed thus far. I for one am in favor of his rework it removed all of the mindlessness that the old one had.
Yes people are roflstomping with him. Just watch any high elo game. It's really getting tiring for the 15th time in a row hearing from low elo that a release champ is really baaaad and weaaak when it's quite the opposite.
Hi im 12 (EUNE)
: ????? camille is a counterpick for aatrox , a lot of people commenting here that have no idea what top lane is lmao
Camille isn't really a counterpick. More a cheesepick than a counterpick actually but what do i know i only play toplane for five years at a high diamond level and main camille ^.^
: > [{quoted}](name=ImTheJuggernauty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ovAOcue1,comment-id=0001000000010001,timestamp=2019-08-14T16:59:54.712+0000) > > Even if he maxed it first, jax would still have to level up E and W before putting more points into Q jump in order to have a decent rotation, so he would definitely benefit heavily from the full 2 second cooldown buff he's receiving in the early game, when there isn't even any CDR built into anyone's kit yet. > > To put it into perpective, this is a 20% CDR buff early game. That's huge on a champ whos supposed weakness is being weak early game (ha yeah right. His early game is no longer weak). Dude stop talking you either never played jax before in top lane or you must be pretty low elo where people play like sheep. In higher elo Jax is not even considered a tier 1 pick anymore and thats for a good reason. I know what i am talking abot. Jax used to be a hard counter for trnydamere now tryndamere destroys him. all said former jax main, have a good day
Lamppost man always bad. Running into counterstrike lvl 1 and 2 and i died. So op. what can i do. riot crazy to buff. no counterplay REEEEEE
: > [{quoted}](name=FSRER,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PfPHcQ3l,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-15T05:40:52.564+0000) > > Why are they trying to buff her in general. She is overpowered and if they want someone for the LCS/Worlds to either counter tanks or beat duelists, why not bring back {{champion:48}} with some quality of life changes? "Capitalize from the momentum she gets from her lead" aka, hitting 10 vitals that spawn right next to her and killing you because of RNG. As I recall, there is a pattern that the vitals follow so that there is no RNG.
Yes it spawns in one of two locations. Still RNG
: That is definitely your inner DotA player. I've played played DotA in the past years, but only have seen Mars played a few times because I don't play any more. I've played Pantheon on and off over most of LoL's life time and I think most of the baseline mechanics of the rework are fine. They just need to run some QoL additions and buff his numbers and I think he'll be in a balanced place. He doesn't have extremely silly mechanics that will leave him either "too OP, or too useless" like extreme mobility.
He definitely does not need a buff, just watch any high elo game where he is in.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EEVsMjOy,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-14T23:11:01.874+0000) > > The whole champ needs another rework, i want my old 9yrs of panth back. The ult is next level shit, i mean worse then the old one. Like the only reason i still play this shit was because of panth, but they even managed to fuck that up. So its time i think i parted way. Sad really. You got one of the more faithful reworks ever though, Not saying it doesn't suck but at least you weren't a Galio or Aatrox main.
How can people forget about my boy swain.
: The game is such a coin flip, it's embarrassing.
: Imagine actually thinking top lane isn't a popular role and isn't one of the most powerful roles.
U must do some heavy mental gymnastics to justify this. At platinum+ noone plays toplane anymore. Doesn't matter if its "popular" or "powerful" in silver were people run into darius non stop.
: I mean, people probably wont because they know that if they want to play top they have to become a masochist unless they duo with someone. Ah, gotta love Riot sweeping actual valid toplane complaints under the rug and thinking it will blow over like other seasons.
Hey let's play toplane properly, perma freeze the turbo boosted darius in front of my turret and make him an easy target... nevermind enemy jungle just towerdives me anyways...three times in a row. Okay, this time let's abuse the fact i'm the better player shove my enemy in, build up a triple minion wave aaand aftershock nunu comes tanking me and the minion wave while bursting me down with hunters machete...hahAA toplane is fun. And even if you get a good matchup and get kinda fed the rest of the map (mages and adcs mostly) outscaled you after buying boots anyways considering how overpowered their items are sooo go next coinflip pls.
Jamaree (NA)
: You have to remember that as much as this place wants to think and act like it makes of the majority of the playerbase, it doesn't even make a fraction of a fraction of it. Also, people who are happy don't complain, you don't see post about people saying "Man, I sure do love this game." that doesn't normally happen and that is all video games.
More and more content creators straight up quitting, numbers going down and down and down league even being below just chatting, gta and fortnite. All league has going for is the asian region since the game is completely catered towards them in every aspect even cosmetics. Let's see how long that will last.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZEVLE2QX,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-01T16:59:58.398+0000) > > Oh idk, ask mid mains who didn't want Irelia and Aatrox in their lane, screaming "BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN" and got their wish. Cuz everyone in top "loves" dealing with mages that cant get touched (Neeko with Glacial) and we have to wait patches just for something to be done. At least the counterpick meta isn't hard on your lane when its just mages picking into mages, with the occasional assassin every 30 games or something. Well you missed the point entirely. Top Lane see maybe 2 actual mages go up there and scream that mages as a whole are OP. We see 2 top laners go mid and do not say all fighters are OP. Theres a core difference. Fyi those champions are also OP in the top lane as well(with higher WRs there) vs. those same mages suck mid.
You literally did. For the entirety of irelia being OP EVERYONE screamed bruisers are soooo broken when all that was played toplane was ryze, vlad, neeko, sylas lmao.
Ornn (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Jesi Oni,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h3QliYkA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-01T04:34:05.677+0000) > > I would report you both and your team/enemies probably did so dont come back asking why you got banned please~ people like you are the problem. team ints all game nah blame the afk.
No dude when my mid panth is 0/7 against kassadin 9 minutes into the game, botlane is 0/8 at the same time and im getting camped top i should totally play that through and waste forty minutes to lose anyways.
: Designing an entire kit around the fact that she would be immune to turrets was a really good idea in the long run.
Except that never was akalis problem to begin with and riot was insanely stupid to listen to all these dumbfucks over at reddit and here how "omg she can't be targeted by turrets" is THE problem with her. It was the least of her problems.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=GayFluffyUnicorn,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UEKrVbsz,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2019-07-30T10:35:23.572+0000) > > Didn't riot literally say "drain tank bad op unbalanceable" as a reason to let him rot and rework? > Now it's the central part of his kit? Like, what? Cant dodge autos, can dodge skillshots.
When will every ADC be reworked then? oh i forgot ranged gud, melee champs bad Edit: Btw i've been around long enough riot literally said draintanks are unbalanceable. Hence why they wanted to rework swain, aatrox etc. To conclude whoever works at riot are clueless fuckin r words who change their opinion every patch.
Moody P (NA)
: it absolutely was a central part of his kit given that his whole game plan used to be rush in, do as much damage as you can then get revived and escape if anything his ridiculous healing isn't a main focus of his kit until they deliberately made it one
Didn't riot literally say "drain tank bad op unbalanceable" as a reason to let him rot and rework? Now it's the central part of his kit? Like, what?
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