: Don't worry Garen Haters , Conqueror will be removed in 2-3 weeks
Garen hasnt been a "minion" for a while, he was really good before the unneeded overbuffs
Mihalikb (EUW)
: Bro. Garen is still incredibly weak and easy to beat. Now even being a lot squishier than before. The only things that changed is that you can't just sit in his E for full duration and laugh it off. Funny enough he is quite weak early and drops off massively around level 11 to 12 compared to what he could do before. It is literally this easy... - DO.NOT.STAND.IN.THE.SPIN.
You could never sit in his e? Garen has borderline no counterplay now even for ranged champs. You get caught once with his you and you're dead, because of t he assassin level of damage he does now,
: Garen is too OverPowered
They overbuffed a champ that was doing more than fine, again. Riots balance team is a steaming pile of shit.
: Akali's current situation
I miss old akali playstyle, personality. This new akali is a hoe.
: {{champion:67}}
How? he pressed Q on her once and shes dead. garen is so much faster than vayne.
Juice (EUNE)
: Garen "rework" feels amazing
: > [{quoted}](name=8Belthazor8,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kYpr8fqp,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T15:56:24.975+0000) > > 9.17: 52.57% > 9.18: 52.63% > 9.19: 52.2% > > "Unplayable" Didnt you know? Not mindblowingly ovepowered = unplayable for boards. Now that hes stupidly overpowered hes "fine", just like the 56% wr morde before the hotfix nerfs was "fine".
Boards : AP BAD, BUFF TANKS, ASSASSINS HAVE COUNTERPLAY >:(
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Hypèr (NA)
: The State of Lissandra
the only thing making lissandra op was aftershock, instead of nerfing it or just fixing it (removing it) they decided to gutt lissandra, now shes just a mage creep.
: Can we get an Ekko nerf?
{{champion:64}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:245}} All need good hard nerfs.
: New Garen is fun
More true damage and even less counterplay to garen, he didnt need this, honestly he needed nerfs.
: Are you actually watching worlds since melee tops are by far more popular and played like pantheon is close is fucking perma banned. Also range tops suck dick in soloQ like in pro play they have a chance in soloQ they're just dead. Like you need a team to make them work. If they were a problem PEOPLE WOULD PLAY THEM. But please keep lying to yourself that vayne top is op despite the fact no one plays her for a reason.
: > [{quoted}](name=IUsedToPlayJinx,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bMt1OA5W,comment-id=00080000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T00:38:27.441+0000) > > We're not talking about counters, are you stupid or just trolling lmao? the FACT is : Nidalee as a AP ASSASSIN does not scale well into lategame compare to other AP ASSASSINS : {{champion:38}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:28}} . Nidalee is one of the weakest late game AP ASSASSINS next to LeBlanc. > Doesnt matter how good you are at Nidalee she still wont scale well into late game. > Pretending to be r%%%%%ed isnt funny btw. :] PRetemnding to be what? And I'm just saiyng I'm not limited in gameplay by her ''weak scaling''. Ever tried taking Dark Harvest on her?
But thats not what we're talking about lmao. You said that Nidalee scales well into lategame as a ap assassin, i stated the fact that she doesnt. thats all there is to it.
: > [{quoted}](name=IUsedToPlayJinx,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bMt1OA5W,comment-id=000800000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-07T20:01:24.960+0000) > > Doesnt matter, you could have 60 million, Kassadin is still a better AP assassin than Nidalee Lol the highest mastery points player is only at 10 million. I'm getting close to 700K, and even if some champions do counter me. Having hundreds of thousands of mastery points worth of games on a champion is A LOT of experience. You just naturally learn to counter the champions that counter you, and figure out ways to counter them back with your own kit.
We're not talking about counters, are you stupid or just trolling lmao? the FACT is : Nidalee as a AP ASSASSIN does not scale well into lategame compare to other AP ASSASSINS : {{champion:38}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:28}} . Nidalee is one of the weakest late game AP ASSASSINS next to LeBlanc. Doesnt matter how good you are at Nidalee she still wont scale well into late game. Pretending to be r%%%%%ed isnt funny btw. :]
: > [{quoted}](name=IUsedToPlayJinx,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bMt1OA5W,comment-id=0008000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-07T17:40:46.888+0000) > > That's just not how it works lol. > If I main LeB and im playing against a first time Kassadin, the Kassadin will scale better into lategame because he's a Kassadin, mastery doesnt give you scaling bud. Do you even know how many points I have on her though.
Doesnt matter, you could have 60 million, Kassadin is still a better AP assassin than Nidalee
: > [{quoted}](name=IUsedToPlayJinx,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bMt1OA5W,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-10-06T13:38:03.403+0000) > > Nid is probably one of the worst latgame ap assassins She's one of the best if you main her like me.
That's just not how it works lol. If I main LeB and im playing against a first time Kassadin, the Kassadin will scale better into lategame because he's a Kassadin, mastery doesnt give you scaling bud.
: {{champion:76}} My main, she has everything you could want. Low cd plus ult unlocked at level 1. Passive that gives you increased dash (or pounce) on Cougar forms W if you land a a spear. The spear has a lon g range and the further you throw and hit menasm ore damage. She has AoE, massive heal, a hunt passive triggering trap, a bite (could be used as an execute), and even an insignificant passive that gives you extra MS in bushes. And to make sure you don't wall from lategame, take Dark Harvest on her, your dmg will be very strong throughout the game even if you are behind.
Nid is probably one of the worst latgame ap assassins
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NeekOwU (NA)
: Questions about Evelynn
Just dont charm, or charm AS you E Q, you will probably 1 shot the adc with no charm
Nhivia (NA)
: Anivia's wall should be toggle(able)
Because mages arent allowed to get qol changes.
PB4UAME (NA)
: From your post and replies, it seems like its mostly user error, and lack of basic top lane fundamentals. Look up guides on how to manage waves, get them to push into you, how to freeze, when to, etc. You can easily level 1 bully all of those picks as Riven and establish a dominant position in the first few waves, hit level 2 first, try an all in, and either force them back, burn a flash, straight up kill them, or be able to shove under their tower, to get it to push back to you in time for level 3, and to hit level 4 just under your tower, at which point you should have had ample opportunities to all in them again and snowball the lane. If going aggressive, or for a level 2 all in, get Q then W, giving you 1.25 seconds of hard CC, as well as 4 damaging abilities, and 4 procs of your passive. None of the champions mentioned (and literally only 1 out of 145 champions in the entire game) can stand up to that at level 2. Not by a long shot. Ignoring every rune but the adaptive force stat sticks, and ignoring items, that's 421 damage from just your passive AAs, not to mention 73 from your W, and 159 on your Q. That's 653 damage right there, at level 2, and with animation cancelling and AA weaving between your Qs and hard CC, it can be dished out in under 2.5 seconds. A Long Sword adds 50 damage to your empowered AAs, 13.5 damage to your Q, and 10 damage to your W, giving you 726.5 damage in 2.5 seconds at level 2. Plus her most common and highest winrate runes also have Conqueror, and Coup de Grace increasing your damage to well over 800 at level 2, when most champions don't even have that much HP. Sure, this is all physical damage, but if you run ignite, or trade at level 1 (when you're also far stronger than the listed champs) you can easily kill at level 2. Even if you don't, they will have to flash out or back due to the damage taken. Say you chunk them, they flash away, and you can't get your full level 2 combo out. This is when you shove your lane under their tower to force it to reset and push back to you. Now, when they are forced to walk up to CS (they have to CS in melee, which is in Q dash distance, or E dash distance easily, and often times in range of your W as well) you can easily do small trades, and transition any trade you want into an all in as they have no mobility, and you have 4 dashes and two AoE hard CCs. They have to fight on your terms, and cannot escape from you, especially if you've blown their flash at level 2. Furthermore your damage only increases as you gain ranks in Q, and your E gives you more range, a very useful and spam-able shield, and another passive proc. Basically, if played correctly, you should easily be able to kill any of them 1-2 times before 6, and then you should hit 6 first and be able to all in them as you hit 6 for yet another easy kill. At that point, you should have a comfortable CS lead, and 600-900 gold worth of kills on them easily getting you a {{item:3044}}, {{item:3133}}, or similar such component over them, plus some additional AD/CDR/HP. From there, its smooth sailing and quickly snowballing.
yeah this is really helpful. But what if my engage gets stopped by a garen Q, should i just back off, or keep trying to trade.
: With nasus at least if you can kill him before 6 you have a good chance of just snowballing the rest of the lane, around level 3 and 4 you basically wanna try going for an all in because your early damage as riven is much higher than nasus. So basically just bait the wither and dive in hard as soon as you can after that, If he's going e max though there really isn't much you can do to him.
Killing him before 6 is nearly impossible unless he like tower dives me?
: If the minion wave is pushing into you, nasus will run out of minions to life steal off of if you manage the wave correctly. If you can zone him while the wave pushes into you, you have a big window where he cant even stack and you can punish him if he tries.
Yeah I guess, but where the minion wave stays is also all up to nasus, idk how exaclty i could keep up with xp and cs while still making the wave push into me any decent nasus wont let that happen. I barely keep in in the middle against the garbage ones.
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: Here is the problem, you are basically wanting straight nerfs to him, no compensation or anything straight nerfing his ult and gutting his passive. Not only would that shit on his lane phase but if he didnt somehow find a way to snowball lane phase he would quickly become irrelevant in every other part of the game. The reason they gave him so much gold on his ult is because they destroyed his wave clear. I've said it before and i'll say it again reverting everything giving his wave clear back while changing the way his passive works. Solo lane pyke was not really an issue he had plenty of counters so it's not like he was this broken uncounterable champion. If they had to change numbers to make him a little more balanced sure maybe 60% damage to minions with e or something would keep him from perma pushing and nonstop roaming. i dunno these seem like you just want him gutted and i don't agree with it.
He doesnt need compensation for anything, hes literally just overbuffed. with nerfs hes still going to be op.
: How do you even lane as an enchanter support?
You dont, you just dodge the game, thats literally the only counterplay for {{champion:53}} {{champion:111}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:89}}
Antenora (EUW)
: Imagine thinking Blitz is toxic when {{champion:111}} {{champion:555}} exist.
imagine: all 3 of them are toxic, but blitz suddenly became op because of one unneeded unwanted buff.
: They nerfed Leona's tankiness making her squish as hell, and only buffed her dmg on one ability by 10 dmg. She is by far not as abusive as those others.
: I mean sure, it's definitely a good buff, but it was just a 100 range increase. Everything that makes blitz annoying has been there for a while, the 100 is nice but it's not what makes him stupid to play against.
Its not JUST a 100 increase. Its a lot, even a 50 range increase would be a lot. He can grab you behind walls he never could before. It's just such a unnecessary addition to the most bugged and the most powerful hook in the game, im pretty sure he has the longest hook in the game now.
: > and there's literally no counterplay to him running at you hooking you from 1150 meters away Do you mean... Sidestepping? Cause if you're trying to outrun the projectile, I think you're doing it wrong
Well running isnt a option but neither is "sidestepping" he misses one hook he'll still catch up to you with his w, use his e and by that time he's got his w and his hook back up. Ontop of that the hitbox is fucked too, sometimes you dont even know what direction hes going to use it. Not much you can do when you're being chased by a blitz unless you have a dash.
: I have a feeling that this is going to get downvoted a shitload but hear me out. While yes, I agree that champs like Pyke, Blitz, and Naut are crazy strong at the moment, that doesn't mean theres no counterplay. Thresh, Pyke Blitz and Naut have very simple counter mechanics: stand behind minions. It all comes down to how well you play rather than what champs are OP at the moment. On top of that, Thresh and Pyke are some of the most skill expressive supports in the game, so saying they're just broken without any counter mechanics is just flat out ignorant. If you play well enough vs these champs, you will win, simple as that.
Standing behind minions only works up to lv 3. Or untill the hooker buys {{item:3117}} and can literally walk past the minion wave with for example the blitz ms steroid and hook. Or the hitboxes might fuck you up which happens way too often, and standing behind or inside a crowd of minions wont do shit. I would disagree on pyke being "skill expenssive" or anywhere close to that considering how safe he is, that he has a execute, and a free counter to any poking as a passive.
: Pro players have said this over and over and over again: Stop making patches for worlds since all it does is mess up the meta that everyone has spent countless hours trying to perfect just to have a patch screw everyone over and bring in cancer that nobody wants. Seriously sometimes Riot makes posts saying they don't buff champions for lcs / worlds but they pull this crap every year lol.. seeing a champion like Lee in every single worlds is just mentally insane at this point.
Yeah, lee and jax received some extreamly unneeded buffs too, when honestly they needed some heavy nerfs. But no, lee needs to do more damage as if he didnt 1 shot with q q + e alone and jax 100% needed less cooldown on his free flash.
: Can’t play enchanters either to counter the damage after being pulled, because let’s not forget they gave him a buff a while back where his ultimate removes shields and THEN damages. {{sticker:sg-ahri-1}} {{sticker:sg-zephyr}}
Didnt they also increase the radius of his ultimate? while it still silenced for some reason..?
: > [{quoted}](name=IUsedToPlayJinx,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p8gqm5FU,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-29T16:35:27.078+0000) > > I remeber when Quinn was the only issue in top. but now: {{champion:92}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:517}} don't forget {{champion:85}} {{champion:126}}
These have been cancer since releases, and honestly i rarely see them.
: stop whining and just learn how to play into him.
Barkley (NA)
: lol @ people in this thread saying "bot lane is a fiesta" or "top lane is a fiesta" This whole fkn game is a fiesta right now, and has been for like 2 seasons. Maybe even 3. And its only getting worse. But we all stick around because we have this hope that it'll get better. Its like being in a toxic relationship. You remember and cherish the good times, so you stick around thinking it'll go back to that somehow. Well, like in life -- it won't.
: Riot should just remove hooks from the game. They are just not fun to fight.
They're not just not fun. They keep the same preasure up for the whole game, their hitboxes are fucked so "being able to dodge" isnt even a reliable option anymore. Got hooked by a 0/11 blitz behind 3 walls in the jungle behind the minion wave? Well the teamfight is lost now..
Mihalikb (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=ixi Josh Sand,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p8gqm5FU,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-29T15:44:56.867+0000) > > Riot's mad scientist experiment at turning bot lane into a complete shitshow is now finally complete. After turning Top lane into a flaming garbage fire clown Fiesta, Rito is now turning it's attentions to Botlane.
I remeber when Quinn was the only issue in top. but now: {{champion:92}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:517}}
: Yup, and now she sucks even vs mages and actually has a NEGATIVE win rate (49.1%) even though she just got shiney new visuals, slight kit adjustments. Most AP based mages/tanks/assassins can just bust through her E like it's nothing now, and her W has been nerfed so that even if you get a full W out of it, you're on cooldown, and your opponent can still kill you. She's basically only feeling good right now when she's way way ahead and has a mejai's.
yeah I forgot the W gutt, god {{champion:555}} forbid {{champion:111}} a support (ex midlaner) is viable.. or even able to waveclear mid, also btw we cant let her go mid because she did well against {{champion:157}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:103}} and thats not allowed.
: I agree with you. It's been a long time coming. Pyke was the oak tree that broke the camel's back. Then they buffed Thresh hook CD. Then they buff Nautilus' damage. Then they buff Leona. The real kicker out of all of this is that *hook champs have positive win rates against all the fucking support vanguards* (except for 2 matchups Pkye/Taric and Leo/Taric) ...You know... the actual champs that were supposed to counter engage supports?
Only counter to them is Morgana, and shes ALWAYS banned when they're getting picked. And anyway, im pretty sure morganas shiled got some heavy nerfs..? Smaller shield and longer cd if i remember it correctly.
iMidg3t (EUW)
: > there's literally no counterplay to him running at you hooking you from 1150 meters away https://imgur.com/dXdZVx3
: Riot's mad scientist experiment at turning bot lane into a complete shitshow is now finally complete.
They started operation shitshow in the 2017? rework, when they gutted every single adc except draven, made support mages hell and just.. mages overall in bot, then 5 months later they realized they made a mistake, reverted some shit, made only 3 adcs pick or lose {{champion:222}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:145}} . And now its time for utility champs to be no counterplay cancer in bot. {{champion:412}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:53}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:111}}
Jawjak (NA)
: This Ashe build is pretty broken.
I feel like this could work.. but it lacks attack speed. woud replace the boots {{item:3006}} and add a {{item:3153}} in there, because this item is op on anyone.
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