Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 23
Hi Meddler! What do you think about how panth has landed and is doing right now?
Jbels (NA)
: I do not support Eternals, but I am also not a fan of misinformation. From what I understood, 850 was for 3 sets, not one
I think it is for the full first set of three eternals.
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Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 7
Hi Meddler ! Do you have anything you can share about the upcoming Pantheon rework ?
atorelle (NA)
: Battle Academia Lux/Ezreal Skins : Coming from a Lux Main
Naaaah Dunkmaster Ivern was super cool and the academia is on the cringy and ugly side.
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: Position ranks and split rewards coming to PBE today for 9.2!
Does flex disappear ? If yes, will there be a way to play in team ?
Meddler (NA)
: Ok, turns out Renekton was just a casualty of too much to do in one patch. Won't have changes in 9.2, will be back on the list for 9.3 though, assuming nothing major changes in the meantime.
Will you consider helping him late game, or in teamfight rather than on lane ? His damages, sustain, tankyness, cc reach are already quite enormous, making him impossible to fight for quite a few champions.
: [CLIENT] AUGMENTS won't load out of Champ Select and doesn't save at all!
Can't select a single augment any game. Can only play vanilla. still no ack in game, only things about aram.
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: Does Riot realize what they've done?
Obviously they realize. How can you even think that all your reactions and rage were not 100% predictable. They realized it before even doing it you bring nothing new.
: > [{quoted}](name=Magic Serwyn,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HyMRW2vO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-03T19:09:38.508+0000) > > First to downvote clearly hadn't time to read, let alone think. Caught you ! 😉 We do have the information required. Fighting sexism with more sexism doesn't solve the problem. It merely shifts it. I didn't need to read very far to understand you were advocating sexism.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HyMRW2vO,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-09-03T19:14:06.873+0000) > > We do have the information required. > > Fighting sexism with more sexism doesn't solve the problem. It merely shifts it. > > I didn't need to read very far to understand you were advocating sexism. No, I don't. surely not. But you're totally missing the point. Normal, you didn't read. You're just blindly defending your side, no trying to think the truth. That's why you downvoted without reading. You're a hooligan and your opinion is only base on your intuition and first impression which make it absolutely useless and irrelevant.
: So about this pax event
First to downvote clearly hadn't time to read, let alone think. Caught you ! 😉
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: What is the reason to me having to be Honor 2 to get end of season-rewards?
because if you're not able to show good enough behaviour to get honour 2 you don't deserve any reward, obviously. Just a harder incentive for you to respect others, but I agree it's a pity that this is needed.
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Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 29
Any thought about Pantheon ? I think he deserve a bit of love, it has been quite some time. I know I'm asking every single time, but some day I'll get an answer !
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 15
Hi meddler ! Any news on Pantheon ? A few months ago you told there was some buffs planed for him, and then since there was nothing, I thought you were waiting for the two new fighter items So do you still planed to buff him ? Also his kit is a bit old, very unidirectional and also a bit black or white. Is a gameplay update planed for him at some point (not full rework, more like Xin's or the assassins).
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 14
Hi meddler ! Any news on Pantheon ? A few months ago you told there was some buffs planed for him, and then since there was nothing, I thought you were waiting for the two new fighter items So do you still planed to buff him ? Also his kit is a bit old, very unidirectional and also a bit black or white. Is a gameplay update planed for him at some point (not full rework, more like Xin's or the assassins).
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Salson (EUNE)
: This right here is my favorite part of the changes. While you can still die to a gank, your team is now 'rewarded' for every gank you survive. Survive 2 in a row, and your jungler can invade and tear the enemy to pieces. That way, the third gank won't come.
You think < diamonds jungler are that aware ? Never seen my jungler penalizing me being early ganked by an invade, usually they're just farming they jungle. Also with reduced respawn time they more likely to have their own jungle up, and having his jungle stolen is less punishing. Also you're definitely not rewarded, because you lost life, a flash or a tp. And ganking take like 15 seconds to the jungler
: > [{quoted}](name=magewick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1KmhUEAI,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-06-11T13:58:54.579+0000) > > How are you still level 1 and getting ganked? Either the lane is even and you hit level 2 or your lane opponent hard pushes and you are near your tower. Much better than before the jungle change where a neutral lane meant you were level 2 against a level 3 jungler. .. the jungle gets 2 from first camp.. then go straight for a gank becuase hitting 3 takes too long.
Yep, happens quite often. Since early camps give less xps, ganking is comparatively better.
: ***
I quite often get ganked when enemy jungler is level 2 but I'm level 1, and that is even harder than before.
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Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: June 6
Hi meddler ! Any news on the pantheon buffs you spoke about a few months ago ?
: You permashove early with Q spam. Can look to trade with Q+auto+aery or will destroy with isolated Q after shoving if they let you walk up. I generally do 3 points in Q for early waveclear then swap to maxing W. Once you have Lost Chapter you're all about spamming W for poke, and you spike once you finish Ludens as DRing or Dseal + Ludens is enough to evolve W. You have to be very careful around levels 6-9 and only poke or followup on your Jungler though, as you will generally lose trades/all-ins unless you poke them a little first. Once you have W evolves you are basically a poke assassin, if you stay relevant in farm your W will do about 50% of squishies HP. So either landing 2 consecutively (the CD is quite low once evolved if you land it and with CDR), or landing it on an isolated target and going in for the Q+ 2 autos for passive proc is almost always a kill. Biggest thing to understand when playing the build is that your W burst when also proccing your passive execute is insane, and will pretty much always kill non-tanks from 60% or lower. Saving your W to followup on CC and pop a target or to surprise kill someone who let you auto them twice gets you a lot of kills from your enemies not expecting the burst.
2AA + W just got a .6 ratio nerf :(
Novalas (NA)
: PBE Chat with the Playtest Team - 8.12
A few months ago, meddler said pantheon would receive some buffs soon, but we didn't get any news. Personally, I find him weaker and weaker, given how he gets rekt by every other bruiser toplane between levels 6 and 11, even if he is completely fed. His early pressure his still strong, but with changes to minions agro less than before. Also it is quite simple for the adversary to play passively, get a bit outfarmed but rapidly become stronger than pantheon. Then he has good roaming power, but only if he's winning lane, but then he let's the enemy come back. What are your thought on him ? I personally would really like a better scaling, and making him a bit less straightforward to play, with the more mechanics needed.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: May 30
Hi Meddler ! Any news on the Pantheon buffs you mentionned a few months ago ?
Meddler (NA)
: Looking to reduce her difference in effectiveness between organised and regular play. Likely means moving power out of waveclear into other places at the least.
Personally I loved when she was a bit more bursty, closer to her release. Played her with protobelt and that was I think funnyer, flashier and moe involving than the current waveclear/dps pattern. Comboing E+W doesn't feel rewarding enough imho.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: May 9
You mentioned buffs for Pantheon a few months ago, any thought ? He hasn't seen any love for quite some time.
Novalas (NA)
: PBE Chat with the Playtest Team - 8.10
Hi ! A few months ago, Meddler told about some Pantheon buffs. Since he's struggling a bit right now (especially after changes to minion agro), I'm wondering if those buffs are still planed. Any thought or information ?
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: May 4
Hi Meddler ! A few month ago, you told about some buffs for Pantheon. Is it still planed that he will get a bit of love at some point ? It has been quite a long time since he was last helped.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: April 27
Any news about the Pantheon buffs you mentioned a few weeks ago ? His kit is a bit old and haven't seen any love for years, while Azir Ryze and Rengar were getting two updates a year.
: How do you even deal with Fizz (@Riot please explains how this is healthy and fair game design)
You both miss the point. It's not about did I play that perfectly, should I have had enough damages to kill him with my mana build or anything, It's about should an assassin still have enough damages to kill his target when he misses half his combo. No, he shouldn't (at this point in the game). If I miss Q and R with Ekko I won't kill anyone, I won't remove half the health of a squishy adc. If I miss W and R with LeBlanc at this stage I clearly won't kill anyone. If you dodge his Q and trick his ult, Zed won't kill you. But Fizz can. And he has the most insane threat zone, none of the above maintains you outside minions xp range.
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Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: April 20
Hi Meddler ! You said a few weeks agos that there was buffs planed for Pantheon, so do you have any news ? Thanks,
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: > [{quoted}](name=Häxel,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LxaKoH7r,comment-id=001d,timestamp=2018-04-18T16:36:18.152+0000) > > As expected, **whataboutism** reached this topic toaly. Why people can&#x27;t see that just cause other clases are also problematic doens&#x27;t mean one cass has the right to be problematic as well? Like 8.10 and farther adc work is expected but we jsut forget this and see just the balancing of another powercrept class and than whine about over powercrept classes. Ordinarily I would agree with you, however the "what about" argument applies when one scenario will drastically impact another; in this case a nerf to mages means a default buff to other classes, particularly adcs that do not really rely on mana. Furthermore, since both classes are in the same game it is a completely valid argument to ask "what about adcs that can simply right click without running out of their 'resource'". Mages are not a problem in League of Legends right now. A mage is not picked in every single game, but an ADC is chosen virtually every game by both teams---sometimes more than one per team. This should express a fundamental problem with the game when the most dominant class for the last 8 seasons has been relatively untouched, while others receive constant tweaks/nerfs/changes, etc. If I said "sure, you'll nerf mages but what about Blue Essence", well, that would be a bad argument, but when one thing directly impacts another, it's valid.
Oh yeah because it can't possibly be a game design choice that you shall take a marksman in your team. And riot definitely did not say they work to open hotline to other roles. Also we totally see always twitch and kindred jungle because marksmen are so op that you want to play them as often as possible. And we definitely don't see 5 tanks per games in pro games. No, clearly not.
: On paper its justifiable because mages can apply damage in AoE, burst harder, and have a higher functional range via moving around while throwing skillshots. Unfortunately, none of that particularly matters these days because of mobility creep, shields galore, and adc burst per second. A mage who can blow up an adc in a single combo still has to be scared of them because the adc can just crit them twice during the mage's spell animations. Watch streamers play syndra; every time they get killed 1v1 by an adc or run away from the 1v1 despite having ult up, take a drink.
Welcome to the new pertinent concept of burst per second.
: >Obviously the situation's going to change based on who's getting shot, No one ever specified that a tank was getting shot. There was no statement whatsoever as to what class of champion was getting targeted, or what the target was building. EDIT: If you want to get that hyper technical, we're talking a 1-second window, which means only 2 autoattacks. With a sample size that small, RNG is going to have the biggest effect on damage, as it's entirely possible that both attacks would crit. Or neither. Either scenario hugely distorts the end result. "But what if you just look at it as an overall measure of damage per second?" Ok, fine, is the ADC using Press The Attack? then the DPS is going to hugely change based on whether we're looking at attacks before or after the proc. Hell, let's say it's an ADC with Fleet Footwork. Maybe they skipped Bloodthirster then? Now we can swap in a Last Whisper item, or perhaps Black Cleaver? See what I'm getting at?
Haha sure but we're talking about mean not variance. Also I didn't speak about champions ability nor mastery, only items like you. And you can't be relevant if you suppose that ADC deals true damages, especially since armor is usually way higher on every champion than magic resist, and that multiple item's passives greatly reduce aa damages. Also that's only a very specific way to analyse marksmen strength, there is much more in the game than that.
: * AS-focused ADCs like Varus, Vayne, Trist, etc. are near-guaranteed to hit 2.00 AS by the 30m mark unless they're really behind. I'll use Varus for this, since I have the best experience with him; we'll ignore his Blight on-hit and pretend he forgot how to use abilities, and say he's level 18. * Say 80% crit from {{item:3031}} {{item:3087}} {{item:3046}}. Toss in {{item:3072}} as his lifesteal item. * AD will be 150 from items, 104 from base, for a total of 254 AD. * So 80% of his attacks will crit for 635 damage (we'll ignore armor too for now). That's an average of 558.8 damage per shot. Multiply by 2 for the 2.00 AS, that's 1117.6 damage per second. That's ignoring damage from abilities, runes, and passives, but also ignoring damage resistance from armor. Obviously the situation's going to change based on who's getting shot, but as it looks, the number's not THAT far from the mark.
Also divide by three since you're hitting a tank with 200 armor. Even against most other targets you can divide by two, and I don't even count Tabis, randuin, frozen hearth, thornmail... Against a tank it's probably closer to divide by 4 or 4.5 most of the time
: All those nerfs to Galio ryze taliyah for the sake of competitive
@RiotRepertoir Can you comment on all these mislanders nerfed for pro players ? I remember it was said that Azir would be left in a state to weak for solo because it was too hard and time would be better spent elsewhere, but what about Ryze, Taliyah, Galio, Zoe..? Will they stay too hard to play and sub-efficient for normal players or do you plan to find way to help normal players play them without buffing them for pro ? Would be really nice, they are cool champs !
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: March 30
This change to Varus seems great ! Would the bonus damages apply before or after the actual damages of the arrow and the W stacks ? Also buffing Pantheon, do you think you can buff him in a way that either gives him a bit more skill expression or, if it is not in the scope, at least buff his late game ? Maybe in a way that doesn't makes him lose without any chance most duels after level 10 or so no matter how ahead he his ? That would be really cool.
Meddler (NA)
: Should be back, with some additional changes to test (ult resets if the target dies within X seconds, not just to the ult) for 8.7 PBE. Still experimental.
Yeah that would .be really cool, even just one second or one second and half! Also she's quite dependent on manaflow band, so if it gets nerfed, and since she's not in an ideal spot, it could be cool to give her some meaningfully buffs!
: No one uses Ohmwrecker either :(
Why not make it more appealing to ad casters by making the passif also proc from (single target) spells ?
Meddler (NA)
: Fingers crossed she might be in an ok spot? Power's probably about right and a number of gameplay issues look better. Need to give changes quite a bit more time to settle before getting too optimistic there though.
Still seems quite weak, the buffs where small. She even lost base damages on Q. The slight range increase ad W ratio buff clearly aren't enough imho so that she's worth picking compared to most midlaners.
: With champions like Thresh, Urgot, Kayle, assassins and Yi existing it's pretty obvious that bruisers/tanks and melee are correlated but aren't directly linked. I hope one day melee/ranged restrictions for non-auto based items like Steraks will be removed entirely Sadly marksmen (and not mages or enchanters) specifically abuse bruiser items often so it's a necessary evil. Maybe when marksmen finally get nerfed they won't want to build steraks anyway outside of off meta or with large enough sacrifices to stats due to synergy with marksmen specific items
Because mages totally aren't abusing abysmal mask right now.
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