: > [{quoted}](name=NekoMahou,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xr1as5hT,comment-id=000900000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-07T17:02:28.110+0000) > > Riot support ticket told me during my reformation questions that I shouldn't write in caps, because that Is considered shouting, you just told me that I screamed to reports, I never did. I only shouted when I joked about the fed Vayne, I explained to my enemy team to report the Janna because she was intentionally feeding. Where did I argue? > Where I told the team that Vayne was a good player and to be careful? > Where I asked the Nasus the tactis to play against her and win? > Where I encouraged the Morgana that we would win because she wanted to FF and initially said that we would win? > Please, keep going saying that I deserve the ban. And tell me more how Riot's banning system and you as a community don't need to be exposed.   > NekoMahou: have fun with ur report then > NekoMahou: Please report Janna for afk and flaming > NekoMahou: morgana u'r reported aswell > NekoMahou: so, please report morgana for flaming and janna for afk and flaming, please > NekoMahou: thank you to those who will report morgana You had three punishments prior to this game and were told that any more poor behavior would result in a permaban, and you sent five chat messages about reporting your teammates. Reports don't stack like that, going on about it tilts the player you're harassing, and the constant arguing annoys teammates. As far as where you argued with your team: > NekoMahou: don't talk janna > NekoMahou: u will when u'll get banned > NekoMahou: u should shut up > NekoMahou: and learn to play in the first place > NekoMahou: prince of i know what's going to happen > NekoMahou: tell me nasus what do we do > NekoMahou: go nasus show me > NekoMahou: smarter than lots of u > NekoMahou: shut uop > NekoMahou: shut up > NekoMahou: u are saying that the vayne i warned u about > NekoMahou: u and morgana > NekoMahou: IS A PROBLEM!??! > NekoMahou: OH MY GOD > NekoMahou: I'M SHOCKED > NekoMahou: learn to be a decent human being > NekoMahou: and then u speak > NekoMahou: score talks, and you're overshaming yourself everytime you try to accuse me > NekoMahou: bye morgana, have fun while you can, you lost your argument > NekoMahou: and u nasus, next time, listen to what people says to u > NekoMahou: and Nasus you should learn to listen to people > NekoMahou: i was right, period > NekoMahou: learnn from it > NekoMahou: you're welcome bro Honestly, the entire chat was an argument of who should've done what and who deserved the blame. None of your chat was helpful to your team. The only thing to "expose" is your consistently terrible behavior, which you've chosen to do for some reason.
You literally told me that everyone thinks here that I'm in the wrong and now you said "I don't care what other game thinks." so this rule, when I'm telling you and Riot what's wrong in here, applies only to what YOU say? I just won't answer you anymore, 'cause the more you keep going the more you get cotradictory with yourself. And, to prove even more that you and Riot are wrong, using your phrase again "everyone in here thinks that you (me) are in the wrong" I'll link you this: https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-en/dAlxxp69-riots-banning-system-is-interesting Have fun with what you have and what you think is right even when you have proof It is not. I am giving you those proof; other games where I didn't get banned, the community of THIS game who knows there's something wrong with the banning system, and then there's you, that think I am worthy of a permaban for a "learn to play". And If you still think that this doesn't need an exposure, I really don't know how to help you. Cheers, I won't delete this post because people needs to read all of this, but once again I'm done. This was productive, and I hope for a future where people gets what they REALLY deserve and this applies also to me, and I'm cool with not solding myself to a failure system who puts everyone, for a minor or a greater fallacy, in the same category. Goodbye :)
: > [{quoted}](name=NekoMahou,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xr1as5hT,comment-id=000900000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-07T17:02:28.110+0000) > > Riot support ticket told me during my reformation questions that I shouldn't write in caps, because that Is considered shouting, you just told me that I screamed to reports, I never did. I only shouted when I joked about the fed Vayne, I explained to my enemy team to report the Janna because she was intentionally feeding. Where did I argue? > Where I told the team that Vayne was a good player and to be careful? > Where I asked the Nasus the tactis to play against her and win? > Where I encouraged the Morgana that we would win because she wanted to FF and initially said that we would win? > Please, keep going saying that I deserve the ban. And tell me more how Riot's banning system and you as a community don't need to be exposed.   > NekoMahou: have fun with ur report then > NekoMahou: Please report Janna for afk and flaming > NekoMahou: morgana u'r reported aswell > NekoMahou: so, please report morgana for flaming and janna for afk and flaming, please > NekoMahou: thank you to those who will report morgana You had three punishments prior to this game and were told that any more poor behavior would result in a permaban, and you sent five chat messages about reporting your teammates. Reports don't stack like that, going on about it tilts the player you're harassing, and the constant arguing annoys teammates. As far as where you argued with your team: > NekoMahou: don't talk janna > NekoMahou: u will when u'll get banned > NekoMahou: u should shut up > NekoMahou: and learn to play in the first place > NekoMahou: prince of i know what's going to happen > NekoMahou: tell me nasus what do we do > NekoMahou: go nasus show me > NekoMahou: smarter than lots of u > NekoMahou: shut uop > NekoMahou: shut up > NekoMahou: u are saying that the vayne i warned u about > NekoMahou: u and morgana > NekoMahou: IS A PROBLEM!??! > NekoMahou: OH MY GOD > NekoMahou: I'M SHOCKED > NekoMahou: learn to be a decent human being > NekoMahou: and then u speak > NekoMahou: score talks, and you're overshaming yourself everytime you try to accuse me > NekoMahou: bye morgana, have fun while you can, you lost your argument > NekoMahou: and u nasus, next time, listen to what people says to u > NekoMahou: and Nasus you should learn to listen to people > NekoMahou: i was right, period > NekoMahou: learnn from it > NekoMahou: you're welcome bro Honestly, the entire chat was an argument of who should've done what and who deserved the blame. None of your chat was helpful to your team. The only thing to "expose" is your consistently terrible behavior, which you've chosen to do for some reason.
You lost me at "By the same token, you didn't ONLY contribute positively, either, and Riot is most concerned with rooting out negative behavior, so that's the end of your account." validating what I am saying about the fact that banning system is completely wrong. Thank you very much :) When you'll face people who will threaten to kill you and your family, or wishes the worst, you will understand that "Hey, maybe that guy who only said "learn to play" doesn't really deserve to get permabanned, or else what would they do to punish this people and make a difference?" and the fact that you think that me and those people are comparable is exact the reason why this community and Riot's banning system should be exposed. And, I'll repeat myself once again, I play Overwatch, Battlerite, Heroes of the Storm, Dota2 and I could keep going and NEVER had one single sanction about my "negative" behaviour. Only this should really make you understand that something is wrong in here. Stop trying to believe that Riot is right, and start really thinking about things with your reasonable mind, If you have one.
: > [{quoted}](name=NekoMahou,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xr1as5hT,comment-id=000900000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-07T17:02:28.110+0000) > > Riot support ticket told me during my reformation questions that I shouldn't write in caps, because that Is considered shouting, you just told me that I screamed to reports, I never did. I only shouted when I joked about the fed Vayne, I explained to my enemy team to report the Janna because she was intentionally feeding. Where did I argue? > Where I told the team that Vayne was a good player and to be careful? > Where I asked the Nasus the tactis to play against her and win? > Where I encouraged the Morgana that we would win because she wanted to FF and initially said that we would win? > Please, keep going saying that I deserve the ban. And tell me more how Riot's banning system and you as a community don't need to be exposed.   > NekoMahou: have fun with ur report then > NekoMahou: Please report Janna for afk and flaming > NekoMahou: morgana u'r reported aswell > NekoMahou: so, please report morgana for flaming and janna for afk and flaming, please > NekoMahou: thank you to those who will report morgana You had three punishments prior to this game and were told that any more poor behavior would result in a permaban, and you sent five chat messages about reporting your teammates. Reports don't stack like that, going on about it tilts the player you're harassing, and the constant arguing annoys teammates. As far as where you argued with your team: > NekoMahou: don't talk janna > NekoMahou: u will when u'll get banned > NekoMahou: u should shut up > NekoMahou: and learn to play in the first place > NekoMahou: prince of i know what's going to happen > NekoMahou: tell me nasus what do we do > NekoMahou: go nasus show me > NekoMahou: smarter than lots of u > NekoMahou: shut uop > NekoMahou: shut up > NekoMahou: u are saying that the vayne i warned u about > NekoMahou: u and morgana > NekoMahou: IS A PROBLEM!??! > NekoMahou: OH MY GOD > NekoMahou: I'M SHOCKED > NekoMahou: learn to be a decent human being > NekoMahou: and then u speak > NekoMahou: score talks, and you're overshaming yourself everytime you try to accuse me > NekoMahou: bye morgana, have fun while you can, you lost your argument > NekoMahou: and u nasus, next time, listen to what people says to u > NekoMahou: and Nasus you should learn to listen to people > NekoMahou: i was right, period > NekoMahou: learnn from it > NekoMahou: you're welcome bro Honestly, the entire chat was an argument of who should've done what and who deserved the blame. None of your chat was helpful to your team. The only thing to "expose" is your consistently terrible behavior, which you've chosen to do for some reason.
Literally saying "You got permabanned because you asked your teammate to report a player who flamed, intentionally fed, and afk." literally saying that I, the victim, should've got punished for asking some justice. And you really think that this system and this community doesn't need an exposure? I'm really shoked how you can't understand how wrong and insane you sound. Honestly. "NekoMahou: don't talk janna" She was flaming, told her to stop flaming. "NekoMahou: u should shut up NekoMahou: and learn to play in the first place" Still flaming and saying how shitty we were, and so not only I tried to stop her flame but also told her that If she really wanted to she should've at learn be a good player. "NekoMahou: prince of i know what's going to happen NekoMahou: tell me nasus what do we do NekoMahou: go nasus show me" Nasus told us that he knows what we should do, so I asked him, using a little bit of sarcasm (oh my god I got permabanned because I used sarcasm, totally normal, no exposure needed!) "NekoMahou: smarter than lots of u NekoMahou: shut uop NekoMahou: shut up" Flamed us once again. (Oh my god, I got permabanned because I told her that our Caitlyn was a SMART person compared to lots of other! No exposure needed, completely normal, permaban deserved.) "NekoMahou: IS A PROBLEM!??! NekoMahou: OH MY GOD NekoMahou: I'M SHOCKED" I didn't insult anyone, I just joked (sarcasm If we will) about the fact that Vayne got fed as I initially said. "NekoMahou: score talks, and you're overshaming yourself everytime you try to accuse me NekoMahou: bye morgana, have fun while you can, you lost your argument" She kept blaming, I didn't insult anyone, and she was flaming, all I said was "stop trying to insult me, It's not working, everytime you try you make shame of yourself even more." (You stupid player that you are, you tried to defend yourself being polite!? Permaban! You should just get accused, abused, and there's nothing you can do about it. You take it back, period. Now get permaban! It's what you deserve! No exposure needed, completely normal. "NekoMahou: and u nasus, next time, listen to what people says to u NekoMahou: and Nasus you should learn to listen to people NekoMahou: i was right, period NekoMahou: learnn from it NekoMahou: you're welcome bro" Me and Nasus talked about what I said early on about the Vayne, as he said she wasn't the problem I literally told him to listen to what other people said and look beyong his nose. PERIOD. What makes me smile is that you keep saying that I blamed my team, W H A T, where Is that written?! I blamed enemy Vayne because she was good! I said to my team that they should've listened to me, PERIOD. You're trying EVERYTHING to make me the slaughter of this mess, I am the victim and the proof is in this chat, I'm not the butcher and even you making up things that are not there makes my argument even more strong. And for the record, my compliments for completely avoiding me trying to encourage my team to do better. Here, let me help you; "NekoMahou: janna, that vayne knows how to play NekoMahou: ok NekoMahou: just play passive bot NekoMahou: hf mid" Me WARNING my teammate about Vayne and WISHING to have fun to the mid player (which also started to insult me later). "NekoMahou: hey nasus NekoMahou: so NekoMahou: what do we do about this vayne" Me asking Nasus that said he got this game what shall we do, literally kindly asking what was our next move. "NekoMahou: it's ok morgana NekoMahou: enemy bot is bad NekoMahou: yu said NekoMahou: we win" Morgana wanted to surrender and we voted no and I tried to cheer her up remembering she told that we could win. Please, keep telling me that this banning system and this community doens't need an exposure, because this is getting hilariously sad the more comments I receive.
: > [{quoted}](name=NekoMahou,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xr1as5hT,comment-id=0009000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-06T17:57:55.801+0000) > > How many times do I even have to repeat that saying "Shut up (for the flame) and learn to play" is considerable permabanning is completely wrong and overly reacting? You guys really don't know how absurd you sound? It's absurd that you are trying to climb the threes because you don't know what to say. Aside the fact that nobody of you are giving me a right answer, between who says "You got permabanned because you always flamed after the 15 days ban" and I'm saying no, that's the only chat log that I've received. And you that now, of course because this situation doesn't have any kind of sense, are saying "One game of somewhat considerable flame (SHUT UP, LITERALLY IS CONSIDERABLE FLAME) you got permabanned.". Someone should expose Riot and users, but for real, this situation can't go further. It's the fact that you told your teammates to shut up, you screamed for reports, and you spent the entire match arguing with your team, after being told that any more negative behavior would result in a permaban. Guess what? That was pretty negative behavior, so you got a permaban. Riot got tired of giving you leeway you didn't deserve. You are in the wrong here, your behavior is terrible, you can't tell that your behavior is terrible, there's nothing to "expose" other than your lack of manners, and you apparently don't learn. TL;DR: No.
Riot support ticket told me during my reformation questions that I shouldn't write in caps, because that Is considered shouting, you just told me that I screamed to reports, I never did. I only shouted when I joked about the fed Vayne, I explained to my enemy team to report the Janna because she was intentionally feeding. Where did I argue? Where I told the team that Vayne was a good player and to be careful? Where I asked the Nasus the tactis to play against her and win? Where I encouraged the Morgana that we would win because she wanted to FF and initially said that we would win? Please, keep going saying that I deserve the ban. And tell me more how Riot's banning system and you as a community don't need to be exposed.
: > [{quoted}](name=NekoMahou,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xr1as5hT,comment-id=00090000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-05T21:24:00.059+0000) > > Basically saying "Yea, Riot doesn't care If you don't agree with their policy, It's their game and they do what they want even If It's literally considerable wrong.". The owner also told me that I had to improve, something that I did before taking this ONLY game that they made me pay too harsh. Plus lots of people are saying "this can't be the only game you've got permabanned for after the 14 days ban." guess what, It Is. And I'm still waiting them to answer me on my support ticket, It's three days and no answer yet. Before that you will have to take count as my word, because the facts are posted up above without any kind of censure or omission. Even with being told that you were on the verge of a permaban with the slightest poor behavior, you still behaved poorly. Whether you like the rules or not, they are the rules and you broke them; that's the reality of the situation. I don't like having to keep buying gas to put in my car, but if I stop filling the tank it'll eventually stop running. I can fill the tank or I can be without transportation. It's my choice to make. Riot told you that if you kept behaving in a certain way, you would eventually be permabanned. You had a choice to stop behaving in that certain way, or be permabanned. You chose to keep behaving in that certain way, so now you are permabanned.
How many times do I even have to repeat that saying "Shut up (for the flame) and learn to play" is considerable permabanning is completely wrong and overly reacting? You guys really don't know how absurd you sound? It's absurd that you are trying to climb the threes because you don't know what to say. Aside the fact that nobody of you are giving me a right answer, between who says "You got permabanned because you always flamed after the 15 days ban" and I'm saying no, that's the only chat log that I've received. And you that now, of course because this situation doesn't have any kind of sense, are saying "One game of somewhat considerable flame (SHUT UP, LITERALLY IS CONSIDERABLE FLAME) you got permabanned.". Someone should expose Riot and users, but for real, this situation can't go further.
: > [{quoted}](name=NekoMahou,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xr1as5hT,comment-id=000900000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-05T16:23:13.273+0000) > > I'm sorry I didn't undertstand that we do not live in a democracy and I couldn't explain where you are wrong because else would mean that I have a negative behaviour and I'll get permabanned. > Please keep going saying that I deserved the ban, you're on the right track. Riot games is a private entity, not a democracy. Flaming your teammates like you did is like going to someone's house party and shouting at everyone repeatedly. The owner told you three times to stop it, but you kept going, so now you're no longer allowed in.
Basically saying "Yea, Riot doesn't care If you don't agree with their policy, It's their game and they do what they want even If It's literally considerable wrong.". The owner also told me that I had to improve, something that I did before taking this ONLY game that they made me pay too harsh. Plus lots of people are saying "this can't be the only game you've got permabanned for after the 14 days ban." guess what, It Is. And I'm still waiting them to answer me on my support ticket, It's three days and no answer yet. Before that you will have to take count as my word, because the facts are posted up above without any kind of censure or omission.
NekoMahou (EUW)
: Permabanned wrongly for 1 game ? (chat log included)
Someone just posted on the forum a thread about Riot's banning system, I'll post It here: "Around 2 months ago I had the worst two allies in my team. They were the most toxic and crazy persons I've ever seen online. They kept flaming me, and only me, with the most horrible things. Just a few examples; " i wish your mom aborted you, i hope you are abused sexually by your uncle when you were a kid, its best if someone injects cancer in your brain and I would cum if you slowly died, you are a female and so you don't deserve to breathe leave some air for the men ' and much much much more like this. I have reported them. I even contacted support ticket. Every week for the past 2 months I checked their match history. They just. Kept. Playing. Almost. Everyday without a stop! I am so baffled. Really baffled. I have seen people being banned because they told their trolling allies 'u a f-cking d1ckhead' but this example that I gave you just keeps playing like there's no tomorrow. And yes I muted them after a while. But should people like this just keep playing without any real punishments? I don't think so." You are literally comparing my "Shut up and learn to play" to these people, that they didn't even get banned for. Thank you very much for, once again, proving that you would do anything to defend Riot even when they are wrong, and they can't address that THEY are, for this Permaban, 'cause I didn't deserve It for several reasons. Things don't change, people like me that are improving are getting permabanned and you think this is right. I'm astonished how can people can't be objectively on things that they don't care about. Because you didn't lose your account, you didn't have a bad day, this isn't your fight and I understand that, but It doesn't need a genius to understand how this situation is wrong.
: > [{quoted}](name=NekoMahou,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xr1as5hT,comment-id=0009000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-05T02:33:46.914+0000) > > I repeately told them to shut up because THEY WERE FLAMING and this is considered flame too? Do you even realise how INSANE you sound? I told them to learn to play before talking, yes, I did, because I wanted them to understand that If they have to flame at least they had to have a good reason for, when they were the first to do terrible in games. I couldn't take that they were making my friend Caitlyn take the fault for something he didn't do, so YES I told them to shut up, because we couldn't take to listen to their flame. Hopefully you'll understand what you are saying because It's literally "You got permabanned because you told them to shut up and learn to play" hell yes? I would do It again, asking people who are flaming to SHUT UP, you can bet. > This is the only chat log that I've received and a couple of month of GOOD games can't take a stand against a ONE game after starting reformation. After PLENTY of games when I endured and not flamed because I had to settle with Riot's rules. I calculated with the other guy from here and I've had AT LEAST 40 games before this one that got me off. > When you talked about Riot's policies I literally dropped my arms. Only because Riot says It doesn't mean that Is right. But I can understand how someone who just told me that I got permabanned because I said to a flamer to shut up can't understand what I am saying. > If I frequentely broke the rules even in this time I want proof, It's since I created this post (almost 2 days) that I created the support ticket without an answering, and you are literally speculating on my permaban without information, because the only information I'm giving you and I have are written up above. And as far as we both know, expecially me which Is the one person who knows how hard have tried not to flame in the last almost three months, this Is the only reason I got permabanned: which Is ABUSRD. > I'm a decent human being, I know how justice works, I know when things are wrong. Should I have received the 14 days bans and so on to understand things? Absolutely yes. I was toxic even when I fought for the greater good. Should I receive a permaban because I told the enemy team "Shut up and learn to play", literally "SHUT UP" because I was done with their flame? Do I really have to answer? If you make me I'm literally freaked out from this community. This kind of behavior is why you were permabanned.
I'm sorry I didn't undertstand that we do not live in a democracy and I couldn't explain where you are wrong because else would mean that I have a negative behaviour and I'll get permabanned. Please keep going saying that I deserved the ban, you're on the right track.
: Banned for being trolled
Bro I've never written "are you mental" or refused to help my team, I've been permanetely banned for a lot less (you can find my post in the forum threads). I've been banned because I told my teammate that I was going to report them for flaming and to "Shut up (because they were flaming) and learn to play" (those are the two things that I've done wrong, It seems) so If I got banned for that, guess this :/
: > [{quoted}](name=NekoMahou,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xr1as5hT,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2019-02-04T23:22:22.175+0000) > > Sorry but no, It's just this game after several games of improvements, and this is the only log chat that I've received. You don't want to believe It but It's the hard truth and you're talking of things that I didn't do just proves my point further that I didn't deserve to be permabanned for just this game. Because that's about It, just this game in two months and a half where I played good and I did better. Let's not even consider the fact that this "negative behaviour" It's merely subjective, because that's what It Is. I've made read this log chat to lots of people and a good 75% said that Riot overeacted and I won't get disban because they treat costumers as robots and not human being. They will never address that they, themselves, got a slip. > And, for the record, just to prove this point once more; I got this "behaviour" in every. other. single. games. (and also real life) and LoL Is the only one who has done anything to me this far, in other games I didn't even receive an email arguing about my "manners". > This Is what I get to try to respect the code of this community, I got threated FOR ONE GAME like other flamers who wishes deaths to others and family. > > My behaviour in some aspects may be considered inappropriate, even If I just used JUSTICE as my weapon (reports) and I payed for It. > > And those are facts. What things you didn't do? The only things I said you did were flame and harass your teammates, and you definitely did. You repeatedly told them to shut up, you repeatedly shrieked about reporting them and getting them banned (delicious irony), you told them to learn to play, and more. And once again, you weren't permabanned for "just this game." You were permabanned because you misbehaved repeatedly, were told to improve your behavior repeatedly, and yet here you are again spending a match raging at your team and harassing people (yes, calling for reports is harassment, on top of being useless). Not only is a couple months a pretty short time period to go between instances of behavior this poor, you didn't even play much, so that just shows that when you do play your behavior is often bad. Your behavior was negative according to Riot's policies, which you agreed to multiple times when you created an account, installed the game, and acknowledged your punishments. This is Riot's game, so they make the rules, and you broke those rules. For the nth time (though not the last, I'm sure), you weren't banned because of one game. You frequently break the rules, and Riot decided to put a stop to it. And, also again, your refusal to accept the fact that your behavior was considered inappropriate according to the rules you agreed to and therefore your ban is justified is the entire reason that your account has been permanently banned. Riot realizes that you'd keep doing this if they keep letting you play, so they're not letting you play anymore.
I repeately told them to shut up because THEY WERE FLAMING and this is considered flame too? Do you even realise how INSANE you sound? I told them to learn to play before talking, yes, I did, because I wanted them to understand that If they have to flame at least they had to have a good reason for, when they were the first to do terrible in games. I couldn't take that they were making my friend Caitlyn take the fault for something he didn't do, so YES I told them to shut up, because we couldn't take to listen to their flame. Hopefully you'll understand what you are saying because It's literally "You got permabanned because you told them to shut up and learn to play" hell yes? I would do It again, asking people who are flaming to SHUT UP, you can bet. This is the only chat log that I've received and a couple of month of GOOD games can't take a stand against a ONE game after starting reformation. After PLENTY of games when I endured and not flamed because I had to settle with Riot's rules. I calculated with the other guy from here and I've had AT LEAST 40 games before this one that got me off. When you talked about Riot's policies I literally dropped my arms. Only because Riot says It doesn't mean that Is right. But I can understand how someone who just told me that I got permabanned because I said to a flamer to shut up can't understand what I am saying. If I frequentely broke the rules even in this time I want proof, It's since I created this post (almost 2 days) that I created the support ticket without an answering, and you are literally speculating on my permaban without information, because the only information I'm giving you and I have are written up above. And as far as we both know, expecially me which Is the one person who knows how hard have tried not to flame in the last almost three months, this Is the only reason I got permabanned: which Is ABUSRD. I'm a decent human being, I know how justice works, I know when things are wrong. Should I have received the 14 days bans and so on to understand things? Absolutely yes. I was toxic even when I fought for the greater good. Should I receive a permaban because I told the enemy team "Shut up and learn to play", literally "SHUT UP" because I was done with their flame? Do I really have to answer? If you make me I'm literally freaked out from this community.
: 14-day suspension is a warning that you're on thin ice. At that point, Riot doesn't expect your behavior to be slightly better, they expect it to be _good_. And you spent the entire match flaming and harassing your teammates. That's far from good. You weren't permabanned wrongly, and you weren't permabanned for "1 game," but rather for one _more_ game of terrible behavior that proved to Riot that you will never shape up. Your refusal to believe that your behavior was inappropriate or that your ban was justified is _exactly why you are permabanned_.
Sorry but no, It's just this game after several games of improvements, and this is the only log chat that I've received. You don't want to believe It but It's the hard truth and you're talking of things that I didn't do just proves my point further that I didn't deserve to be permabanned for just this game. Because that's about It, just this game in two months and a half where I played good and I did better. Let's not even consider the fact that this "negative behaviour" It's merely subjective, because that's what It Is. I've made read this log chat to lots of people and a good 75% said that Riot overeacted and I won't get disban because they treat costumers as robots and not human being. They will never address that they, themselves, got a slip. And, for the record, just to prove this point once more; I got this "behaviour" in every. other. single. games. (and also real life) and LoL Is the only one who has done anything to me this far, in other games I didn't even receive an email arguing about my "manners". This Is what I get to try to respect the code of this community, I got threated FOR ONE GAME like other flamers who wishes deaths to others and family. My behaviour in some aspects may be considered inappropriate, even If I just used JUSTICE as my weapon (reports) and I payed for It. And those are facts.
Kei143 (NA)
: The reform card only shows you 1-5 recent games as examples of unacceptable behavior, doesn't mean you were punished for 1 game alone. I challenge you to write to https://support.riotgames.com and ask them how any games were considered in your punishment. Their answer will suprise you.
Already did, I'm waiting for an answer.
NekoMahou (EUW)
: Permabanned wrongly for 1 game ? (chat log included)
What scares me most is that you guys are literally focussing as hard as you can on phrases like: "NekoMahou: have fun with ur report then (Janna said she was going afk) NekoMahou: u will when u'll get banned (she answered she didn't care) NekoMahou: u should shut up NekoMahou: morgana u'r reported aswell (Morgana kept blaming) NekoMahou: so, please report morgana for flaming and janna for afk and flaming, please (allchat after they were getting fed purposively on the Janna) NekoMahou: and learn to play in the first place (one of the two"flaming" phrases that costed me permaban?)" When I was trying to defend myself ONLY using JUSTICE as my weapon from people who were blaming and flaming. And you COMPLETELY avoided all the time I've used the chat to display information or funny behaviour, or even trying to stop flame towards the Caitlyn: INFORMATIONS: "NekoMahou: janna, that vayne knows how to play NekoMahou: ok NekoMahou: just play passive bot NekoMahou: hey nasus NekoMahou: so NekoMahou: what do we do about this vayne (Nasus said early game that Vayne wasn't going to be a problem, she was fed and I couldn't find a tactis to beat her) NekoMahou: ? NekoMahou: guess why he got fed again NekoMahou: it's not NekoMahou: once gets fed when he's good ("arguing" with Nasus that a fed player is a good player) NekoMahou: i'm asking nasus now NekoMahou: tell me nasus what do we do NekoMahou: go nasus show me (he said he was going to kill her, and he did) NekoMahou: it's ok morgana NekoMahou: enemy bot is bad NekoMahou: you said NekoMahou: we win (Morgana wanted to FF so I EVEN TRIED TO ENCOURAGE HER) NekoMahou: and u nasus, next time, listen to what people says to u (refering to early game about Vayne's going to be a problem, and we lost the game, I WASN'T NEGATIVE, I was trying to make them understand that I knew that Vayne was going to be a PROBLEM, I wanted to heads them up and try to fix It!) NekoMahou: and Nasus you should learn to listen to people (talking about what I said early game and that I should've been listened) NekoMahou: cause i was right NekoMahou: and you've learned a lesson today NekoMahou: hopefully this will take you somwhere NekoMahou: if we didn't have morgana that vayne would've been a problem anyway (Morgana should've put a Black Shield on Nasus and he was flaming her) NekoMahou: and you couldn't kill her NekoMahou: i was right, period (he kept blaming other people instead of understanding that the Vayne was a real issue like I said) NekoMahou: learnn from it NekoMahou: you're welcome bro (implying that this will probably be avoided next time that someone like me says to be careful about someone's else skill)" FUNNY BEHAVIOUR: NekoMahou: prince of i know what's going to happen (he noobshamed me in the beginning when I told Janna that Vayne knows how to play, saying that I didn't know what I said because she picked fleet foot) NekoMahou: what'!?!? (Nasus saying he couldn't carry the game) NekoMahou: uc ant'!?! NekoMahou: oh god really!?!? NekoMahou: so NekoMahou: u are saying that the vayne i warned u about NekoMahou: u and morgana NekoMahou: IS A PROBLEM!??! NekoMahou: OH MY GOD NekoMahou: I'M SHOCKED (Funny way Raul Paul queen style of saying "guys, I told you this was going to happen", like can't you see how I wrote It?!) NekoMahou: u got it NekoMahou: oh really NekoMahou: ?!??1'1" Trying to stop the flame towards the Caitlyn and me: "NekoMahou: don't talk janna (Caitlyn made a mistake and she started blaming her) NekoMahou: you just blamed caitlyn when you're not in a position to speak (she kept blaming Caitlyn, so I tried to make understand she shouldn't do that expecially when not in a position to) NekoMahou: u should shut up (even used the SHOULD) NekoMahou: and learn to play in the first place (one of the two"flaming" phrases that costed me permaban?) NekoMahou: cause he would die (Morgana asked Caitlyn why didn't she stop the recall, in the voice chat Caitlyn told me that she was scared to die because Vayne was fed) NekoMahou: smarter than lots of u (here's the second phrase that could be considered "flame"?) NekoMahou: bye morgana, have fun while you can, you lost your argument (refering at the blame, I couldn't take that I should take the blame for a game I played decently)." I don't even want to talk about the fact that they've been an ass to me as soon as I told them that Vayne could've been a problem and that In the end I was even RIGHT about It, after they made fun of me for saying It. I don't care about the game, but I'm the VICTIM here, I'm the one who tried to headsup, the only thing that I didn't do Is to let them victimize me even more using justice, using common sense in saying "It's not like you are doing better than us". The fact that you think in all this I deserve to get permabanned for a slip (even if we consider this chat like you guys says a flaming chat) It's unbeliavably scary. I've never had any kind of problem in other games, I tried to start a reformation on LoL because I was scared this could've happened but as a negative (but not flaming) person I am in real life for me is really hard to be kind and cute like in fighting things, I'm not privileged, I didn't live in this reality and I've always upfronted every problem I had in my life with my guts, nobody as ever endured me the pill, I've always swallowed and I didn't bother. Mine was NOT the cutest of the behaviour, but wasn't worthy of a PERMAban. Because I didn't hurt anyone. Think about It.
Kei143 (NA)
: What you were doing is not warning them, but threatening their account to get punished. If you wished to warn people, actually warn them and not threaten them. You can say *"Janna, such actions can get you punished. Please don't do that."*, and that will be a fair warning without any intent of threatening their accounts to be punished.
Still not answering my questions. I really don't see a difference between what you said to me and what I told them. That Janna would've answered me "I don't care" and kept going just like she did anyway. I told her that for her action I was going to report her. You can't just permaban someone for one slip and because that person was trying to do the right thing. This is crazy.
Kei143 (NA)
: Let's have you answer the reverse question instead. In those 39 games, how many of them did you exhibit similar behavior? While these chatlogs are mild in severity, it's still classified as flame through passive aggressiveness. Since the system punishes based on consistency x severity, if you had a few games of similar behavior, then it is enough for the system to ding you for it. Especially when you've recently come off a 14-day ban, your account is on thin ice and the system is hypersensitive towards your behavior.
I don't know how many times do I have to repeat that this is the ONLY chat log that I've received, I really feel fatigue when you write these stuff like you're trying to convince yourself. I posted EVIDENCE that's all I have, I didn't have any other chat log, If what you said is right I would've received others but the sole fact that what I said Is right (about my reformation) Is a prove that I took things seriously and I didn't even use this called by you "passive aggressive" behaviour. I had one bad game in tons. ONE, with hardly-considerable flame phrases.
: > [{quoted}](name=NekoMahou,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xr1as5hT,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-04T00:39:30.832+0000) > > Why do I find this even more disturbing? Not warning a teammate that is going to get reported (and basically will probably get sanctioned without even knowing why). From my point of view, from Riot's point of view, reporting a teammate and giving It punishments should educate in a more enjoyable player, then why If I warn them that if they keep with their behaviour there will be consequences is considered flaming? people don't like being insulted or threatened (with reports) when they might feel they're just having a bad game/day. people don't like being confronted, period. better to stay quiet. and riot will tell them what they did if they get punished. they'll be told it was for inting or toxic, just like they told you. they signed the agreement so hypothetically they know they can get punished for whatever it is that you'll be reporting them for
We all know that Riot doesn't care when a player behave bad, as long as It doesn't flame. I like that you used the "hypothetically" lol, anyway, understanding what you just explained me, I've started my reformation (that can be shown with last several games if they check), isn't it too harsh that I get this kind of punishment for a slip? for the "bad day/game" that I too had? Am I not a human? Expecially considering what kind of flame i used, one that, if we really consider flame, is so weak that lots of people would find fun. Why can't I be human and be rewarded for my accomplishments?
xAcidik (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=NekoMahou,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xr1as5hT,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-04T00:47:02.237+0000) > > You are not looking at the facts. Riot herself said to me before I started my reforming "We are all human, we all have bad day when we play bad, we all make mistakes" this is my LITTLE mistake in my reforming journey after almost 50 games of improvements. You can say whatever you want to make It right, It'll never be, facts are talking. Black on white. Why then, are you the only person that thinks so, and why then, is the entire community, and Riot, telling you that you are wrong?
I didn't really expect to find support here, to be honest, If you're here on this forum you're full of Riot, thinking that they are never wrong, the sole fact that some people completely avoided the question "Is it right this kind of punishment" or even saying "This COULD be considered flaming for a 14 days chat restricted" It's literally a win to my statement. I'll quote you a guy that just commented this post; "I can't express how glad I am that you got banned for threatening to report someone. Go fuck yourself and enjoy it pussy" This is the kind of person that you should be scared of, not me, we're not the same, we don't deserve equal threatments, and just to complete my statement, Riot would probably consider flaming this conversation too, between the two of us. Peace out :)
: ***
You literally flamed me more than I ever did, expecially on this ban chat log. Thank you very much for proving my point.
xAcidik (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=NekoMahou,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xr1as5hT,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-04T00:32:48.666+0000) > > Let's condemn someone who stole a candy to jail forever when he was starving to death. (An hardly-considerable-phrase of flaming adding a bad day). If this is the world you're living in, then you and eveyrone who think this is right, certainly are. I really hope you understand how absurd you sound. I find It kinda scary that people even think this is right. Buddy. You displayed toxic behavior, with a history of displaying toxic behavior, after being sanctioned for toxic behavior, with an understanding of the risks of displaying toxic behavior. Someone else's bad play or toxicity does not justify your own.
You are not looking at the facts. Riot herself said to me before I started my reforming "We are all human, we all have bad day when we play bad, we all make mistakes" this is my LITTLE mistake in my reforming journey after almost 50 games of improvements. You can say whatever you want to make It right, It'll never be, facts are talking. Black on white.
NekoMahou (EUW)
: Permabanned wrongly for 1 game ? (chat log included)
Guys you are all saying "next time", yea, I would really like It to be a next time but I can't create another account, I've achieved too much and spent too much to recreate a new account, I've lost too much, that's why I started the reformation and I thought I'd have some credits about It, but no, It seemed that ONE chat, ONE bad day after games of improvements, costed me everything. I've sent the ticket, hopefully they will be reasonable and ban me for a month, or again for 14 days (at least addressing me my improvements), I'm learning, I need time.
: > [{quoted}](name=NekoMahou,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xr1as5hT,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-02-04T00:13:37.107+0000) > > I would understand If I would hardly flame and basically just got recently banned, but the most disturbing thing I could've said Is "learn to play". And In those three months I played a little in a kind way, showing results, this can't be happening, It's worse of getting blamed for a game you didn't lose. you were telling them you were going to report them, asking for reports, telling someone to shut up. aka this is considered a form of harassment. You had a 14 day ban that takes a few months of consistent playing to deteriorate i believe. next time take your advice and "shut up" and just report them in post game. 1 report=10 reports and 1 report without telling them is just as good as telling them you're going to except you dont piss them off more and you don't like an a-class jerkwad
Why do I find this even more disturbing? Not warning a teammate that is going to get reported (and basically will probably get sanctioned without even knowing why). From my point of view, from Riot's point of view, reporting a teammate and giving It punishments should educate in a more enjoyable player, then why If I warn them that if they keep with their behaviour there will be consequences is considered flaming?
xAcidik (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=NekoMahou,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xr1as5hT,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-04T00:24:02.201+0000) > > My response was literally "Please report Janna for afk and flaming", so that's basically productive because i've given information to a team who was abusing farming purposively on the Janna intentional feeding, which they answered me "will report her" so you are literally the only one complaining about this in this situation. I would consider more toxic not to answer to what's going on instead. I'm not spinning anything, I'm talking about facts here, I didn't hide any content, It's all on the paper up above. > If you consider me a flamer because I've asked enemy team to report a reportable player, or because I've said to another "learn to play", then I really hope from the deep of my heart that you'll never find a real flamer. Riot only considers one report on each player per game. If 9 people report one player in the game, the bot only looks at 1. Asking people to report, therefore, perpetuates the trolling unnecessarily. You're feeding the troll. Not only that, you perpetuated the toxic environment. Plus, you did flame. Just because you "barely" flamed doesn't mean you didn't. You were sanctioned. You are in the wrong here bud, and everyone is saying so.
Let's condemn someone who stole a candy to jail forever when he was starving to death. (An hardly-considerable-phrase of flaming adding a bad day). If this is the world you're living in, then you and eveyrone who think this is right, certainly are. I really hope you understand how absurd you sound. I find It kinda scary that people even think this is right.
xAcidik (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=NekoMahou,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xr1as5hT,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-04T00:14:28.490+0000) > > So basically you're saying that someone asks you what's going on and because you are scared to hurt the butcher's feeling you say "nothing" instead of asking for help? Ah. Actually, if your response is going to be toxic, you just don't respond. If your reponse is genuinely productive, go with it. If they are flaming, mute them. Regardless of how you spin it, your behavior was incorrect, and instances like what your chat records show are instances that healthy players want to avoid.
My response was literally "Please report Janna for afk and flaming", so that's basically productive because i've given information to a team who was abusing farming purposively on the Janna intentional feeding, which they answered me "will report her" so you are literally the only one complaining about this in this situation. I would consider more toxic not to answer to what's going on instead. I'm not spinning anything, I'm talking about facts here, I didn't hide any content, It's all on the paper up above. If you consider me a flamer because I've asked enemy team to report a reportable player, or because I've said to another "learn to play", then I really hope from the deep of my heart that you'll never find a real flamer. Expecially if you consider that, even If I'm getting reformed (and I have proof of my past game) I deserve a punishment harsh like this.
xAcidik (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=NekoMahou,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xr1as5hT,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-02-03T23:57:16.412+0000) > > Enemy team was purposively getting fed on the Janna intentionally feeding, I owed them an explaination and I of course asked for help. What did I have to say? Please keep going getting fed purposively on the intentional feeder? You report the player and move on with your life.
So basically you're saying that someone asks you (the victim) what's going on and because you are scared to hurt the butcher's feeling you say "nothing" instead of asking for help? Ah.
Xidphel (NA)
: When you recently got off a 14-day ban, you're basically on thin ice.
I would understand If I would hardly flame and basically just got recently banned, but the most disturbing thing I could've said Is "learn to play". And In those three months I played a little in a kind way, showing results, this can't be happening, It's worse of getting blamed for a game you didn't lose.
NekoMahou (EUW)
: Permabanned wrongly for 1 game ? (chat log included)
Are you really saying that is fair and normal to get permanetly banned for ONE game of hardly-considered flame after starting the reformation (that already showed several results in the past)?
xAcidik (NA)
: You were already in a bad punishment tier. In the future, just mute these players and ask your team do to so as well. Do NOT threaten reports or ask others to report. This is toxic. "He started it" is not a proper defense.
Enemy team was purposively getting fed on the Janna intentionally feeding, I owed them an explaination and I of course asked for help. What did I have to say? Please keep going getting fed purposively on the intentional feeder?
: less qq more pew pew. type less play more.
I can do both things, but thanks for the headsup.
: Lets assume that first month you played 1 game a day and it was a 31 day month. That is 31 games. Then maybe 1 game a week for 2 months, 8 more games. So as far as thr system is concerned, it had been 39 games since your last punishment. Which is no where near enough to show reformation as far as we have been able to establish.
So you're saying 39 games of no-flaming and improved quality time doesn't show anything, one bad game with so-hardly-considered "flame" of one bad game and I'm off? Here goes my good intentions in reformation rewarded like that? I don't understand, doesn't seem fair or right to me.
: > I got 14 days of ban something like 3 months ago, I played a lot less 'cause I wanted to be less toxic Dropping a punishment tier takes a while, and is measured in games played, as opposed to time passed. In regards to your chat log, you were quite negative and abusive towards your team members, especially **Morgana ** and Janna, whom you spent the majority of your game irritating with report threats. While this isn't something that would trigger a permanent suspension out of the blue (but rather a chat restriction after repeating this kind of behaviour), it was negative enough to warrant one after your 14-day account suspension. Even the slightest amount of toxicity can get you permanently suspended during that period, which is what happened in your case.
So after the 14 days suspesions I can't literally have a bad day? I've even improved because I've played from 1 to 7 games per week during this time where I was positive or trying to say things in a different way, I've even received lots of honor for that. The multiple reports threats you read is me asking in all chat to the enemy team, which even realised that Janna was intentionally feeding (she stood there doing nothing, I owed them an explaination and I asked for help, of course).
Sukishoo (NA)
: >Disclaimer: I got 14 days of ban something like 3 months ago, I played a lot less 'cause I wanted to How much is a lot less? If you pretty much stopped playing after that point and only had 2-3 games then this happened, of course it's not going to fix it. You would have had to keep playing games for a good amount of time (and be positive) for the punishment to subside.
One to seven (at most) games per week, where I started my reformation and started being kind and stuff, even got lots of honor, I remember because I felt good about It. I don't understand, even If, It's ONE game of really hardly considering flaming, I can't have a bad day now that I'm officially off even for the stupidiest thing I could write? (stupidiest as a word included at this point)
: This would most likely contribute to a chat restriction, and since you had a recemt 14 day ban; it would be escalated to a perma. Keep in mind not playing for 3 months isn't going to drop your punishment tiers. Playing a week later and playing 3 months later would be the exact same in game time.
I played at least a month where I started my reformation, writing stuff in a kindly way (even if i am not that kind of a person in real life, this was hard to me, but I tried), then two months of no-gaming or a single game a week or something where I didn't wrote anything for the last two months. This is the only game chat log that I've received, how can I be PERMABANNED for this? I can't even have a bad day now? And even If, this got me permabanned? This?
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