: > [{quoted}](name=Octothorpe ªÆº,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qEkb4BEU,comment-id=000100000001000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-23T16:06:01.120+0000) > > Well, who said i did get punished, in my entire 9 years being related to this game. I was not banned, of did get any restrictions at all. An i do have 2 accounts, one is the Russian one, with zero penalty. You doesn't mean *you* personally in this case. I was using it more in a general sense. Just replace the you with one if it helps. "If getting 3 punishments doesn't tell one, 'I'm doing something wrong' then maybe that one shouldn't be here." > > 2nd paragraph, yes and no. Some people just don't know how to behave, some can not be thought to act well, in a quick manner. But is take time like everything else, but it looks like people don't want to give time. To those who get punished, or be though in much deeper manner, in much more constructive way. The youngest someone should technically be playing League is 13. Yes, there are probably some younger; but based on ESRB rating, this is rated T. By the time you (again, not you you.) hit the age for that, you should already be aware of general social behavior for competitive events. Be sportsmanlike. > > > You're brain has made a chose before you did, and you are acting upon the chose your brain made. That can be manipulated, by drugs or trauma to the brain, to make it think in a different manner, from the state before. Your mind makes choices based on information it has. Yours is choosing to believe your strategy would be effective. Mine is using the information I have to disagree. If given new valid information, mine would be willing to change. However, what you are describing is more akin to instinct. The Fight or Flight complex. Choosing to type a reply is an active process and not a passive one like instinct. > > People do refuse to remove them self from Ally chat, cause they think they know how to talk with out being toxic, but most of the time not. In most of the time it isn't their chose, because they don't know fully how to chat correctly/ in the right manner, for that chat. Same as real life, some act differently around others, to match their punctuality, but many do not learn to act that way. SO they are needed to be thought to act that way, for this game form what we/ I see being communicated. Based on this, what you actually would want/need would to be to rid of anonymity. I have no problems admitting I got a warning way back when they existed. Reflected on my behavior and realized I was acting like an ass because no one knew who I was. I don't know my audience, so I avoid some behaviors. Behaviors I don't need to play the game. I can still crack safe jokes. I can still suggest objectives. Maybe it is because I understand the carrot and stick method that I have little issue for it in an online game. You get hit with the stick (punishments) until you get the boot (perm) if you don't learn to reflect on what you did. (And again. Not you, you.) > > Riot will be obligated, in some country's, if the game is super addictive and in which the game CAN, course a very unstable mind set, or very unhealthy mind set. In which if people would want to chose to sue them for that. They have a high probability to win the case, cause their can be the evidence of the game being designed to affect you mind set, and your heath over all. Along side other variables. Rules can vary country to country. If they actually fall into that situation, you know what they can also decide to do? Not offer the services in that country. The country can also ban them (Riot). Which seeing as Riot ban players because they don't want said players anymore; they may opt to turn off their services if forced to allow toxic players to remain.
> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qEkb4BEU,comment-id=0001000000010000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-23T16:38:24.748+0000) > > You doesn't mean *you* personally in this case. I was using it more in a general sense. Just replace the you with one if it helps. "If getting 3 punishments doesn't tell one, 'I'm doing something wrong' then maybe that one shouldn't be here." > > The youngest someone should technically be playing League is 13. Yes, there are probably some younger; but based on ESRB rating, this is rated T. By the time you (again, not you you.) hit the age for that, you should already be aware of general social behavior for competitive events. > > Be sportsmanlike. > > Your mind makes choices based on information it has. Yours is choosing to believe your strategy would be effective. Mine is using the information I have to disagree. If given new valid information, mine would be willing to change. However, what you are describing is more akin to instinct. The Fight or Flight complex. Choosing to type a reply is an active process and not a passive one like instinct. > > Based on this, what you actually would want/need would to be to rid of anonymity. I have no problems admitting I got a warning way back when they existed. Reflected on my behavior and realized I was acting like an ass because no one knew who I was. I don't know my audience, so I avoid some behaviors. Behaviors I don't need to play the game. I can still crack safe jokes. I can still suggest objectives. > > Maybe it is because I understand the carrot and stick method that I have little issue for it in an online game. You get hit with the stick (punishments) until you get the boot (perm) if you don't learn to reflect on what you did. (And again. Not you, you.) > > Rules can vary country to country. If they actually fall into that situation, you know what they can also decide to do? Not offer the services in that country. The country can also ban them (Riot). Which seeing as Riot ban players because they don't want said players anymore; they may opt to turn off their services if forced to allow toxic players to remain. **Imperial Pandaa ** I really got nothing else to say, you just responded to well. Some bits would need more exploration on the human mind psychology, but other than that I got nothing to ask you back with. {{sticker:galio-happy}} {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: next time read what people are telling you bc you've been told by multiple people, multiple times why the idea sucks
> [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qEkb4BEU,comment-id=00010000000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-11-23T17:28:34.266+0000) > > how about instead, you take an objective look at your own idea in the mirror and ask yourself, "why do so many people think my idea is bad?" > > this will be my last reply to you When I do look at my idea, it has flaws i see non yet. Though when other see it, they think about, "How they hate giving another chance, when they got hurt by a player or they them self hurt the other player". Or chances. {{sticker:galio-happy}}
: And I stand by this. If getting 3 punishments isn't enough for you to realize "I'm doing something wrong" maybe you shouldn't be here. People break laws everyday. Some aware of it like speeding and some unaware like having a burn barrel (metal can to burn trash/rubbish in). Yes, if you get break rules, you get punished. If you break a rule consistently, you face harsher punishment. If you get kicked out of a movie theater 3 times; they are in their right as a business to tell you not to come back. You contradict yourself here. "It isn't a choice but your brain is already making a **choice**." Is it a choice or isn't it? No one is making anyone flame. No one is making anyone grief. A person is choosing to do it. The toxic players have their options. They can recognize after 1-3 punishments that maybe they should CHOOSE to remove themselves from Ally chat. Riot is under no obligation to risk the non toxic 'satisfied' members of the community to merely become 'content' just so Toxic players, that by banning Riot has told we don't want you, to be content.
> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qEkb4BEU,comment-id=00010000000100000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-23T15:44:04.257+0000) > > And I stand by this. If getting 3 punishments isn't enough for you to realize "I'm doing something wrong" maybe you shouldn't be here. > > People break laws everyday. Some aware of it like speeding and some unaware like having a burn barrel (metal can to burn trash/rubbish in). Yes, if you get break rules, you get punished. If you break a rule consistently, you face harsher punishment. If you get kicked out of a movie theater 3 times; they are in their right as a business to tell you not to come back. > > You contradict yourself here. "It isn't a choice but your brain is already making a **choice**." Is it a choice or isn't it? No one is making anyone flame. No one is making anyone grief. A person is choosing to do it. > > The toxic players have their options. They can recognize after 1-3 punishments that maybe they should CHOOSE to remove themselves from Ally chat. Riot is under no obligation to risk the non toxic 'satisfied' members of the community to merely become 'content' just so Toxic players, that by banning Riot has told we don't want you, to be content. Well, who said i did get punished, in my entire 9 years being related to this game. I was not banned, of did get any restrictions at all. An i do have 2 accounts, one is the Russian one, with zero penalty. 2nd paragraph, yes and no. Some people just don't know how to behave, some can not be thought to act well, in a quick manner. But is take time like everything else, but it looks like people don't want to give time. To those who get punished, or be though in much deeper manner, in much more constructive way. "You contradict yourself here. "It isn't a choice but your brain is already making a choice." " You're brain has made a chose before you did, and you are acting upon the chose your brain made. That can be manipulated, by drugs or trauma to the brain, to make it think in a different manner, from the state before. People do refuse to remove them self from Ally chat, cause they think they know how to talk with out being toxic, but most of the time not. In most of the time it isn't their chose, because they don't know fully how to chat correctly/ in the right manner, for that chat. Same as real life, some act differently around others, to match their punctuality, but many do not learn to act that way. SO they are needed to be thought to act that way, for this game form what we/ I see being communicated. Riot will be obligated, in some country's, if the game is super addictive and in which the game CAN, course a very unstable mind set, or very unhealthy mind set. In which if people would want to chose to sue them for that. They have a high probability to win the case, cause their can be the evidence of the game being designed to affect you mind set, and your heath over all. Along side other variables. {{sticker:galio-happy}}
: Dude, your ego is massive. You need to look up the definition of "sanctimonious." Nobody thinks you're cool for comparing anything League-related to suicide. You're shameful.
**GatekeeperTDS ** I tell you one think, shameless/shameful does not exist, is just a human reaction/behaviour, that was learned, to stay in line. Not to brake rules, and be 'normal'. I show no ego, I only want information, that is constructive, that can teach somebody and be open for more interpretations and possibly more. {{sticker:galio-happy}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Octothorpe ªÆº,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qEkb4BEU,comment-id=00010000000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-23T14:39:57.513+0000) > > Even though there still gonna be old toxic players, i do see the new players are going to be less incline to be toxic and create new accounts, to just be toxic. Actual new players are not influenced by this int he slightest. Your system does nothing for actual new players. > > But ultimately, they will be punished more severely, than this old system, no matter what. Many in-game privileges be taken away from them. Wrong. They may get more strikes, but you lose more in game privileges by fully losing an account. > > Even so they will be more incline to play the ranked or normal games, no matter what. Cause they are still allowed so, than moving on to another account, and repeating the same cycle over and over again. Learning nothing, but be a bad influence than showing skill, and potentially positive behaviour, that is reinforced. You failed to answer my question. Are you having a mission track 5 days of bot games or is it just a 5 day vacation? Move to a different account while waiting for the 5 days to expire. > > Though, infinite chat restriction will not exist with the new one, the clear steps that is stated, are one way form. Linear, that let's the players be lead to a final punishment. With out affecting their gameplay and mental heath. Mental heath is an extremely important aspect for this game alone. You're right, infinite chat restrict is actually better than your idea. At least then you can still communicate. You want to talk about mental health? What about their team? They have a forced mute player on their team. There is also a difference between choosing not to communicate and being forced to not communicate. People can already remove themselves fully by chat, right now. Overall point: Follow the rules or leave the establishments property. Whether leave by choice or get told to leave is up to the player.
**Imperial Pandaa ** if people are removing them self from, they may know chat is unhealthy for them so, they show to communicate other ways as pings and map positioning. Though some people don't know that, so encouragement, by some chat restriction is great for them, to realise. And it will be very hard to get to permanent chat ban it self. Additionally, if the player does not communicate with words with their team mates, they are not at disadvantage, in normal league, NOT in Esports. Additionally if they are not talking with others, they will play a lot better. It's their chose, but is it their chose to follow the law? of humans. Apparently not, form the birth of the human, they are forced to follow rules and laws. They had no say in it. If they brake the rules/laws, they will get punished, by what they didn't what to be brought up, from the beginning. Everyone says it is a chose, but their is rarely any chose in human society, and their human brain, already choosing for them. If you did not know that. So that's why options exist, so they can be lead to a certain point, in which they can be content, not completely satisfied. {{sticker:galio-happy}}
: next time read what people are telling you bc you've been told by multiple people, multiple times why the idea sucks
**CharDeeMcDenniz ** Many, many, many people said 'Apple' ideas where trash, but here they are, successful with lots fans. Tell me, what would have happen if they have listened to many negative humans. Probably apple as it self would have not existed as popular, but just a small company that just existed. hmmmm... Tell me constructive ideas and opinions 'again'. Than plain empty jars of... {{sticker:galio-happy}}
: i stated it plainly, many times and honestly, your idea is so bad it's not worth explaining why AGAIN
**CharDeeMcDenniz ** Alright. Next time do comeback with constructive ideas and opinions. Than plain empty jars of... {{sticker:galio-happy}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Octothorpe ªÆº,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qEkb4BEU,comment-id=000100000001000000010000,timestamp=2019-11-23T14:14:15.388+0000) > > **Imperial Pandaa ** Why do you feel the need to same the name of the person you are replying to? Only theory I have is you are using Chronological View. Discussion View lets you see the comment chain. > > When they are banned from chat, they/all will be less incline to feed, or troll. They will have more time to think about their mistakes ALONE, than having a chance to show their frustration in a very negative manner. And the previous system before the IFS, the one that had infinite chat restrictions, had data that supported the opposite. So I'm going to take Riot's word that people who had 999 games of chat restriction to work off fed/trolled when they couldn't flame. > > When they play 5 bot matches, no. They will only be able to play bot matches for 5 days. When ever they violate the new rules. In which, they will less be incline to be less energetic in the communication manner, more in the gameplay. And it will allow them to have more ALONE, time to think about them self. Lets just go ahead and clear this up. Are you having Riot create a mission to track this? Do I actually have to play 1 bot game per day or can I just not play for 5 days? Either way, you know what I can do? Play 1 bot game on my main and then switch to a SMURF Lo and behold, toxic smurfs still exist in your system. The only difference is they don't lose anything on their main.
**Imperial Pandaa ** Even though there still gonna be old toxic players, i do see the new players are going to be less incline to be toxic and create new accounts, to just be toxic. But ultimately, they will be punished more severely, than this old system, no matter what. Many in-game privileges be taken away from them. Even so they will be more incline to play the ranked or normal games, no matter what. Cause they are still allowed so, than moving on to another account, and repeating the same cycle over and over again. Learning nothing, but be a bad influence than showing skill, and potentially positive behaviour, that is reinforced. Though, infinite chat restriction will not exist with the new one, the clear steps that is stated, are one way form. Linear, that let's the players be lead to a final punishment. With out affecting their gameplay and mental heath. Mental heath is an extremely important aspect for this game alone. {{sticker:galio-happy}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Octothorpe ªÆº,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qEkb4BEU,comment-id=00010000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-23T14:10:06.728+0000) > > **CharDeeMcDenniz** > > What is you point again. > i thought i made that pretty clear in my last post... > [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qEkb4BEU,comment-id=0001000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-22T20:06:36.577+0000) > > absolutely **TERRIBLE** idea imo and never going to happen
**CharDeeMcDenniz ** It's just your opinion, no constructive feedback or ideas, just a blank field of nothingness. So what is your point again, in a constructive way, not in ignorant way. {{sticker:galio-happy}}
: So two things about that. 1. If they can never unlock chat again, then they can't possibly reform, can they? So why not ban? 2. They can still int instead of flaming, which is what happened back in the old system. And what happens when they do that "boo hoo. Have to go play 5 bot matches to 'reform' lul".
**Imperial Pandaa ** When they are banned from chat, they/all will be less incline to feed, or troll. They will have more time to think about their mistakes ALONE, than having a chance to show their frustration in a very negative manner. When they play 5 bot matches, no. They will only be able to play bot matches for 5 days. When ever they violate the new rules. In which, they will less be incline to be less energetic in the communication manner, more in the gameplay. And it will allow them to have more ALONE, time to think about them self. {{sticker:galio-happy}}
: so you want clearly toxic people (perma chat muted type of people) to have EVEN MORE chances to ruin games for innocent people all so you can have a MINUSCULE chance of the toxic person learning the error of their ways absolutely **TERRIBLE** idea imo and never going to happen
**CharDeeMcDenniz** What is you point again. When you would not be able to see them, if they ever brake the inting rules, for 5 days? SO, what is your clear point, than a blank broken opinion? {{sticker:galio-happy}}
: > Is this different to a person who's suicidal, do they have to blame -themselves? How dare you invoke something serious like this to prove your awful point about keeping toxic players in a video game. This is goddamn shameful.
**GatekeeperTDS** Just a very real scenario, and the words are yours, but i moved it to an authentic scenario. So what is your point, again, with out repeating the same ideology's.. {{sticker:galio-happy}}
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: They are different circumstances, and denying that they are might just be the most disgustingly homophobic thing I have ever seen on this forum. Hell, even most homophobes would probably have to acknowledge that there's a difference, with one being undeniably a victimless "crime", and the other having very easily and clearly defined victims. And even if that was the only difference - which is most definitely not the case - that alone would make it ridiculous to consider those the same circumstances.
**TrulyBland** Tell me, what is you clear point? Other than some people being more ignorant then others, is a real problem, but fixing them/that is a very slow process. That needs delicate rules and systems. Than quick shove, adapt, learn or be punished on an extremely huge pay loads. {{sticker:galio-happy}}
: > [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qEkb4BEU,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-22T18:35:49.114+0000) > > Stopped here. Nobody, including other players and Riot themselves, wants to find more ways to keep incredibly toxic players in the game. If they can't reform, they need to be shown the door. "Decreasing the ban rate" is not a problem that needs to be solved. > > I'll make things even more "simple" than you did. Ready? > > **Don't be a goddamn jerk in a video game and you won't get punished.** > > Everything you've come up with here is complicated and convoluted, rules need to be simple to follow. The existing rules are very, very clear and the punishments are easy to understand. > > Chat based offenses - 10-game chat restriction, 25-game chat restriction, 14-day suspension, permanent suspension. > > Gameplay offenses (REAL intentional feeding) - 14-day suspension, permanant suspension. > > Leaving games - If done enough, accounts get suspended as well. > > Follow the rules. It's simple. Being a jerk is part of the fun. Permabans dont work in a free video game bc u can make a new account and start over doing the same thing. If chat is really that impactful on your mentality playing the game just perma mute everyone. Everyone needs to become an adult one day and part of being an adult is dealing with people being rude to you. If riot really wanted to end the toxicity that bothers the 12 year olds that get their feelings hurt they could just chat ban players in increasing amounts until they were permanently kept from typing.
**Niggel Wessom** It's an option in the game. Well correct there. Though many do not use that feature, this update will encourage them to possibly use that feature, but at the same time giving them more **options.** An more** options** is always better for all of us, less is not. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Octothorpe ªÆº,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qEkb4BEU,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2019-11-22T19:31:25.424+0000) > > "Number 3" When they reach the permanent chat ban, they will 'NOT' be able to communicate with their teammates, other than few pings. That fixes 85% of all the toxic behaviour by that account. this is factually incorrect RIOT tried indefinite chat restrictions and found that a LARGE percentage of people who had hundreds or even thousands of games worth of chat restrictions just began to use in-game trolling instead so no, your idea doesn't work, in fact it makes things much worse
**CharDeeMcDenniz** Then how does it not work, if they are unable to chat or say a single word. If they do feed, they will get PVP restriction for 5 days, in which you will meet new players and grow in rank, for those 5 days. If they do it again they will get the same punishment and it will repeat forever. At the end of the day, you will be growing in rank, cause you will see the same player 'VERY' rarely. {{sticker:galio-happy}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Octothorpe ªÆº,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qEkb4BEU,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-22T19:36:59.445+0000) > > **World peace plz ** > > Got to say, it's always great that you've been able to change your path, to be our great positive player, to continue your journey! > > But, it will take an extraneously long time to reach honour level 2 or higher by this Riots system. Though this system would have kept your rewords, and you would still be able to gain the rewords, and stimulate your brain, to improve or get a thought about something good. > > {{summoner:50}} {{item:3026}} > > {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} Riot did indeed said climbing from honor lvl 0. 1. Takes longer than it should but besides they wont make it easyr. The way i see it is you have to make them realize what damge they cause by starting or joining the flame giving a easyr punishment wont make them realize that thats why it is the way it is now.
**World peace plz** It may look like the player will get less punishment at my statement, but the punishment is distributed. You will get a chat restriction, a pings restriction and the PVP restriction at the same time. I do see that being a much bigger punishment, who ever be able to get all 3 punishments at the same time. Not like an old Riots system, one small punishment, to a final HUGE one. Ending your whole account. It is sad, but a broken report system that it is, to be REAL. {{sticker:sg-soraka}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Octothorpe ªÆº,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qEkb4BEU,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-22T19:27:03.162+0000) > > **World peace plz** > > Tell me real concerns, that are constructive, then narrow, and everybody who will read this too. > > OK, being real now. > > {{sticker:sg-jinx}} Wanna be real ? ok than. I was toxic yes i was. Not proud of it a year ago i was honor lvl 1 around this time so as you can gues i dont got my rewards than lucky for me riot gived a second change for players like me who got punisht with a chat restriction. I made it to the second deadline and i promised my self this would not happen EVER AGAIN. The system we have now just works fine your just have to be willen to lisen and riot should not make that easyr for us. edit: im honor lvl 5 now forgot to mention this.
**World peace plz ** Got to say, it's always great that you've been able to change your path, to be our great positive player, to continue your journey! But, it will take an extraneously long time to reach honour level 2 or higher by this Riots system. Though this system would have kept your rewords, and you would still be able to gain the rewords, and stimulate your brain, to improve or get a thought about something good. {{summoner:50}} {{item:3026}} {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: You know what banning and making them create a new account does? One of three things. 1. They don't bother and quit. Which is fine as the game and them seem to be a poor match. 2. They "passively" (or better actively) learn to act in a tolerant manner, or lose their time investment. 3. They continue to get banned because they don't learn. (Which in your system, they can continue being toxic because they don't have to fear losing any skins, rank, or rewards.)
**Imperial Pandaa** "Number 3" When they reach the permanent chat ban, they will 'NOT' be able to communicate with their teammates, other than few pings. That fixes 85% of all the toxic behaviour by that account. This allows them to focus on the game, and lead their mind on improving. But the first 2 are great! {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Octothorpe ªÆº,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qEkb4BEU,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-22T19:19:56.736+0000) > > **World peace plz** > > Is it? > > I just took your scenario and placed it in a very real life act. You should not be insulted, it is just your words, in a as real scenario. > > {{sticker:galio-happy}} Nah now your telling bs mate people are allowd to disagree what isnt allowd here on the boards is to insult them.
**World peace plz** Tell me real concerns, that are constructive, then narrow, and everybody who will read this too. OK, being real now. {{sticker:sg-jinx}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Octothorpe ªÆº,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qEkb4BEU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-22T18:48:50.778+0000) > > > Though getting banned is an extreme, but teaching them to fake act positive is even worse. You do not have to be positive. You can simply keep to neutral messages (e.g. go nash,/drag, summ cds etc..). There's no need for anyone to be positive; they only may not act negative. > They may discover that being permanently chat banned makes them play better now, that the burden/intent is gone or they can learn to tolerate the other slowly, but effectively. Not as a modern report system, quickly adapt and quickly get banned. As has already been stated, toxic players do not becomepositive or even neutral when faced with infinete chatrestriction. They simply revert to gameplay offenses instead, which are infinitly harder to spot. This is not an opinion, this is the resulöt of Riot testing infinite restrictions. > > **My point is this will promote many toxic players to learn to tolerate, slowly, but positively. > ** This is false. Quite simple. There's no need to make an assumption on how players will react to this, Riot already has the results.
**hshtagniemehrcdu ** As so, by your words "This is false. Quite simple. There's no need to make an assumption on how players will react to this, Riot already has the results.". But they have not tried anything similar to this system at all, and their system is very simple with very little positive back bone. Additionally you assumed they have the data, of their past and current system, that are to similar. I'm trying to build, an option rich report system, that teaches in many ways, "other than stop, your toxicity!" {{sticker:galio-happy}}
: > Why should we treat them so badly "We" don't treat anyone badly. They treat others poorly and you want to reward them with no real punishments? Anyone who earns a punishment has only one person to blame - themselves. > teaching them to fake act positive is even worse Actually, this is a skill that everyone has to learn. I've been at the same company for 18 years. Know what I have to do sometimes? Be polite even when I don't want to be. If I can't remain **professional** for the benefit of the team I'm part of (my company), then I risk getting fired, and I'd deserve it.
**GateKeepperTDS** Is this different to a person who's suicidal, do they have to blame -themselves? And be shoved away from the society as a negative influence, not to be deserved to live? "teaching them to fake act positive is even worse" "Actually, this is a skill that everyone has to learn. I've been at the same company for 18 years. Know what I have to do sometimes? Be polite even when I don't want to be. If I can't remain professional for the benefit of the team I'm part of (my company), then I risk getting fired, and I'd deserve it." You expected to be positive and be friendly, you should love that job, if you don't feel like it, than why are you doing that profession? A very real question. Other than for money. {{sticker:galio-happy}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Octothorpe ªÆº,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qEkb4BEU,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-11-22T18:54:23.313+0000) > > **Imperial Pandaa** > > My main goal is, to keep the players on the same account, to not create new ones, and make the same mistakes, but passively teaching them to act in a tolerant manner. To stick to one and to get rid of those Smurfs and toxic Smurfs. > > {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} Mate people are making smurfs or they got banned or not and what you sugest wont stop them.
**World peace plz** This i just another way to make people less inclined to make Smurf accounts, and update it for the sake of updates. Well all hate toxic players, but hate will never solve anything outside the Government partitions . {{sticker:galio-happy}}
: it's not RIOTs job to be every players therapist. It's not their job to "slowly teach players tolerance". It's their job to establish rules, give warnings when those rules are broken once, and remove those who REPEATEDLY break the rules. And that's the crux of the thing, perma banned people are not gentle souls who slipped up once, they are people that have shown a HABIT of breaking the rules and a refusal/inability to reform their attitude. the rules are VERY simple and standard to most public venues.
**CharDeeMcDenniz** I can really say therapist very rarely helps or at all. They like guide dog, but do nothing but show the blind way. It's only you, who chose to take action. Options, options we need, not simple broken past ways. That only work against 'spacial' people. {{sticker:galio-happy}}
: So basicly you wanna make it easier for toxic people ? A punishment is supossed to feel bad so that they dont whant that feeling again what you sugest wont make them feelbad about it and wanna learn from it.
**World peace plz** It should make them feel awful for what they did, but most of the time they don't learn or get feedback for their mistakes. To listen slowly and make small changes and improve, for their own sake. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: Infinite Scaling chat restrictions failed before. That was the system pre IFS. And if people are effective ping communicators, you want to punish them? I ping MIA 3x for my lane, and then Danger up to 3 times if I think I know the path they are taking. I'll also ping paths as a jungle. Like: Chickens, Red, Gank, Dragon. While I walk out of basr. Why only give griefers pvp bans? Why not keep as is and ban 14 day as warning and then perm?
**Imperial Pandaa** My main goal is, to keep the players on the same account, to not create new ones, and make the same mistakes, but passively teaching them to act in a tolerant manner. To stick to one and to get rid of those Smurfs and toxic Smurfs. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: > So their will be no bans to the accounts, no honour drops to level 0 or 1 Stopped here. Nobody, including other players and Riot themselves, wants to find more ways to keep incredibly toxic players in the game. If they can't reform, they need to be shown the door. "Decreasing the ban rate" is not a problem that needs to be solved. > I'll keep it short and simple I'll make things even more "simple" than you did. Ready? **Don't be a goddamn jerk in a video game and you won't get punished.** Everything you've come up with here is complicated and convoluted, rules need to be simple to follow. The existing rules are very, very clear and the punishments are easy to understand. Chat based offenses - 10-game chat restriction, 25-game chat restriction, 14-day suspension, permanent suspension. Gameplay offenses (REAL intentional feeding) - 14-day suspension, permanant suspension. Leaving games - If done enough, accounts get suspended as well. Follow the rules. It's simple.
**GateKeeperTDS** Though we all get bad players, negative or some what stupid. Why should we treat them so badly, ripping their hard work from them, their levels, their skins, like real life if you ever get imprison, they will take everything from you. Though getting banned is an extreme, but teaching them to fake act positive is even worse. Not healthy for a mind, for a young or old. We all should try and reinforce the positive behaviour in a much more optional way. They may discover that being permanently chat banned makes them play better now, that the burden/intent is gone or they can learn to tolerate the other slowly, but effectively. Not as a modern report system, quickly adapt and quickly get banned. **My point is this will promote many toxic players to learn to tolerate, slowly, but positively. ** This is what you need to learn for real life to, to tolerate or you will get punished. Potentially going to prison. {{sticker:galio-happy}}
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