Sukishoo (NA)
: You do know that anything under FIRST PLACE is considered a loss in TFT right? That's why the winrates are so low on people. Top TFT player, rank 1 challenger, has only 69 wins with many many maaaannnny more losses. So those 69 wins, were first place only, everything else is 2nd or lower. And it's not at all luck or people wouldn't climb at all. Yes, there's some luck but I've had come backs in the game hard. Like I had a disconnect that made me miss the first 5 rounds yesterday and was still able to hit third place and gain points. So it's not just luck, you have to have the skill to understand the style of game it is. I just hit plat today https://imgur.com/Hz9nhWQ and it was a hard climb. So it's well deserved and it is far from being all RNG/LUCK or easy.
We have different point of view, i don't think this game is based on skill but more based on RNG, just look at this game, random champions, random items, random fight (in fact you can have really bad fight even if your comp is better because IA). For me, in this game the elo mean nothing, and i hope things will change. But yes, i'm wrong with the win rate, i know it now, it's my bad.
Unker139 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ryuji Torahiko,realm=EUW,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=6KyIBI8h,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-01T20:10:50.408+0000) > > You don't really explain ... > > Plus, scarra stream TFT and play A LOT, and in fact, i checked his twitter, look at this : https://twitter.com/scarra/status/1153180043968839680 > > 58 games play in TFT, 36% WIN RATE. Amazing. > > 36% win rate, what kind of game TFT is when you get elo when your winrate is under 50% ... > > So, you can't win without luck, definitively not. And you get elo with 35 / 40 % win rate. You are happy because you are gold ? In fact you don't even deserve it... That win rate is based on getting 1st on a game with 8 people. If the game were truly rng only as the op thinks, it would be impossible to maintain a win rate higher than 12.5%. A 36% win rate a is almost 3x that of a rng only game.
> [{quoted}](name=Unker139,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=6KyIBI8h,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-08-01T20:33:21.858+0000) > > That win rate is based on getting 1st on a game with 8 people. If the game were truly rng only as the op thinks, it would be impossible to maintain a win rate higher than 12.5%. A 36% win rate a is almost 3x that of a rng only game. Are you sure about that ? You win when you are in top 3, you have the "Victory" and you gain elo. If you have proof of this, i admit i was wrong and that my argument was not good. So, if you have 36% win rate it's normal because you have 3/8 chances to win.
Undustas (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ryuji Torahiko,realm=EUW,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=6KyIBI8h,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-01T20:10:50.408+0000) > > You don't really explain ... > > Plus, scarra stream TFT and play A LOT, and in fact, i checked his twitter, look at this : https://twitter.com/scarra/status/1153180043968839680 > > 58 games play in TFT, 36% WIN RATE. Amazing. > > 36% win rate, what kind of game TFT is when you get elo when your winrate is under 50% ... > > So, you can't win without luck, definitively not. And you get elo with 35 / 40 % win rate. You are happy because you are gold ? In fact you don't even deserve it... An amamzing win rate in league was 50%..whats your point? I guess games 0 skill, u stay iron i keep climbing.
Look, you just can talk about elo and nothing else it's a bit sad x) This game is based on rng, so you don't will climb, you will just spam TFT for days for get elo. But the point is, the day when this game is not based on RNG anymore, you will drop at your real level. And in fact, i don't think most people really care about your elo in TFT. Maybe you want to tryhard this game because you know you can't do better in LoL ranked ?
Undustas (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ryuji Torahiko,realm=EUW,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=6KyIBI8h,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-31T23:33:06.086+0000) > > Please, explain to me. You can't just say "This game is not based on RNG" without explain your point of view. > > I give you my arguments, now your turn. > > And please, don't be patronize with me. You don't know me, maybe i understand more the game than you, maybe not, you can't judge this. We have two differents points of views. I'm waiting for your cogent argument. If this game was only RNG how am i gold3? How has Scarra gotten 2 accounts to master rank? How are people climbing ranked? Are we all just that lucky?? The game gives you decisions, you can't go into a game trying to force a comp and expect to win. Even with the worst RNG you can top 4 pretty easily. People areent stuck in iron and bronze because it's RNG, it's because they are making poor choices in the game that are adding up to losing. This game isn't a slot machine where it's all out of your hands in terms of control
You don't really explain ... Plus, scarra stream TFT and play A LOT, and in fact, i checked his twitter, look at this : https://twitter.com/scarra/status/1153180043968839680 58 games play in TFT, 36% WIN RATE. Amazing. 36% win rate, what kind of game TFT is when you get elo when your winrate is under 50% ... So, you can't win without luck, definitively not. And you get elo with 35 / 40 % win rate. You are happy because you are gold ? In fact you don't even deserve it...
Undustas (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ryuji Torahiko,realm=EUW,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=6KyIBI8h,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-31T22:45:33.254+0000) > > I don't think so, because when you know what comp is the most broken (demon/yordle or Noble tactics for example) you will try to build around that, or you try a other comp but the problem is the same, if you don't have the item you needed, if you don't even have the champion in your list for make him rank 2/3, i don't see where the skill is supposed to be. > > Honestly, between League of Legends and TFT, the difference is huge between skills and RNG. > > You can have a really bad champ select, you can have a flamer, you can get team mate who do a bad game but ... in low elo (Between Iron and Master) if you are good you can always carry. > > In TFT you can't carry like this, you don't play the champion, the IA will just fight for you. You can get very close match, you can have a very bad focus sometimes and obviously, rank and items always count. You can always hit top 4 no matter the rng. You will understand that when you learn the game better.
Please, explain to me. You can't just say "This game is not based on RNG" without explain your point of view. I give you my arguments, now your turn. And please, don't be patronize with me. You don't know me, maybe i understand more the game than you, maybe not, you can't judge this. We have two differents points of views. I'm waiting for your cogent argument.
Undustas (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ryuji Torahiko,realm=EUW,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=6KyIBI8h,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-31T21:50:52.898+0000) > > Well, first i'm sorry about my english. I'm french, and the French forum disappeared for a shitty reason, on discord (And i bet that almost nobody goes there), SO : > > I have try a bit TFT, and i really like the concept, but i just don't understand why add so much RNG on this game ? > > I can understand a little amount of RNG, every game have RNG (IA pattern, Cards, Loot, Catch and more ...), but why play a game when everyone play the top tiers comp and than, only people who get the good champion or the good item will dominate ? That non sense ... > > It's like i have, every game, 3/8 to be in top 3 and gain elo, and i don't even get Exp in League of Legends so if i get top 4 after 20/30 minutes of game i really waste my time. > > So, i hope in future you will change that. For me, you should focus on differents things : > > 1) Add experience for playing in normal/ranked, because we play a long time and in fact, we got nothing for that (I understand you don't make this game for that, but for me it's just a different mode like Aram, Urf etc ... we play this game IN League of Legends and this game is also based on champion of League Of Legends) > > 2) Remove the most RNG you can by adding some rules like "For the first three round, you get 2 golds Round 1, A random item Round 2, Round 3 random item or gold" > I really have a game with the guys versus me got two guisoo + vayne and lucian rank 2. In the second Round after my first match ! > > 3) Maybe add a new system for buy champ, like choice to have 5 randoms champs for free, 1 champs you already have for 1 golds but it's random, or 1 champs you already have but you choice the cards for 3 golds. That remove the part of RNG and people don't will waste 60 g for make a rank 2/3 if they are not lucky. > > Sorry again for my english. Kiss from France. This game is about skill and far less rng. New people or people who arent very good typically see the opposite of this and think its all rng.
I don't think so, because when you know what comp is the most broken (demon/yordle or Noble tactics for example) you will try to build around that, or you try a other comp but the problem is the same, if you don't have the item you needed, if you don't even have the champion in your list for make him rank 2/3, i don't see where the skill is supposed to be. Honestly, between League of Legends and TFT, the difference is huge between skills and RNG. You can have a really bad champ select, you can have a flamer, you can get team mate who do a bad game but ... in low elo (Between Iron and Master) if you are good you can always carry. In TFT you can't carry like this, you don't play the champion, the IA will just fight for you. You can get very close match, you can have a very bad focus sometimes and obviously, rank and items always count.
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