: Submitted a ticket To Riot about 4 Players Disconnecting in my rank game after dying 1-2 times
Those tickets are basically a form of therapy. You can do them if they make you feel better. Tracked a griefer(toplaner following me in the jungle and failing to steal my stuff) for several months after reporting him through the system **and** the ticket. No punishment.
Kei143 (NA)
: That dude indirectly told him to be killed. So ... not really encouraging self harm, but certainly wishing death upon others.
> [{quoted}](name=Kei143,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KJJmxUp4,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-03-15T16:34:54.330+0000) > > That dude indirectly told him to be killed. So ... not really encouraging self harm, but certainly wishing death upon others. Fair enough. Is joking about it allowed if it wasn't targeted at the person? You know, "did he drop any good loot" and other hilarious stuff.
: Guy making fun of New Zealand incident.
Doombot (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=SonicAF,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ELohW0mW,comment-id=000000020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-14T10:08:17.093+0000) > > It's possible that flat-earthers are right No it's not possible. If the earth was flat we wouldn't have delayed day and night cycles depending on your location, the sun would rise and set simultaneously no matter where you are on earth. But the flat earthers are actually using a model in which the sun always stays on top of the flat earth like this one: https://image.shutterstock.com/image-vector/flat-earth-old-vision-planet-260nw-403461337.jpg This would make it impossible for the sun to ever move below the horizon, but we can see the sun doing that every day. Either way flat earth is completely ridiculous and makes no sense at all and you shouldn't use it as comparison. There are theories that you can't disprove, but there also are theories that are so nonsensical that you can disprove them, flat earth belongs to the latter.
> [{quoted}](name=Doombot,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ELohW0mW,comment-id=0000000200000000000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2019-03-14T12:33:58.487+0000) > > No it's not possible. > <...> Oh, nnnice try. You are completely missing the point though. Imagine that my definition of "flat-earther" is completely outlandish and doesn't fit the commonly accepted one. Riot Games either use the Prisoner's Island system for LPQ, because it's the definition of LPQ or their personal niche definition is so alien and separated from reality that they are doing exactly the thing I did with "flat-earthers". I assume the former. Because it makes more sense and Riot never stated that they call some arbitrary timeout "LPQ", instead of an actual LPQ. For some reason people in this thread decide to claim the latter, which presumes either deception or serious mental deficiency on their(Riot) part. Didn't expect you to be so hard on Riot btw.
: Or...move on and don't keep checking up on assholes.
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FsnpxEvc,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-14T11:08:34.740+0000) > > Or...move on and don't keep checking up on assholes. "Don't report bugs in the system. Just look the other way. Be a better person."
: So we’re going with “they’re lying”? What difference would having an official statement to back up the claim make then, if they’re willing to lie? Couldn’t they just be lying about that, too?
> [{quoted}](name=insomniacjezz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ELohW0mW,comment-id=0000000200000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-03-14T10:10:59.167+0000) > > So we’re going with “they’re lying”? What difference would having an official statement to back up the claim make then, if they’re willing to lie? Couldn’t they just be lying about that, too? I believe they are not lying. They never made a concrete statement. Any statement about the lpq, to be exact.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: >It's possible that flat-earthers are right then you don't understand how science works
> [{quoted}](name=Voldymort,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ELohW0mW,comment-id=0000000200000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-14T10:10:51.608+0000) > > then you don't understand how science works Exactly my point! Low priority queue us a queue, full stop.
: They have a lot of rules that are vague by design, but that isn’t what we’re discussing. This is a very clear, no ambiguity stance that Riot has been putting forward for as long as I can remember. Are they lying, or is it possible that you’re wrong?
> [{quoted}](name=insomniacjezz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ELohW0mW,comment-id=00000002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-14T10:02:37.044+0000) > > They have a lot of rules that are vague by design, but that isn’t what we’re discussing. This is a very clear, no ambiguity stance that Riot has been putting forward for as long as I can remember. > > Are they lying, or is it possible that you’re wrong? It's possible that flat-earthers are right and everyone else is wrong, but unless the have evidence that 2x2=5, I have no reason to act as their baseless theories are the objective truth.
: I’m not talking about that one article I linked yesterday. I mean in general, they’ve stated many times that they will not create a prisoner’s island for any kind of punishment. There’s no reason to think they’d make an exception to this hard and fast rule when it comes to LPQ.
> [{quoted}](name=insomniacjezz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ELohW0mW,comment-id=000000020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-14T09:57:02.742+0000) > > I’m not talking about that one article I linked yesterday. I mean in general, they’ve stated many times that they will not create a prisoner’s island for any kind of punishment. There’s no reason to think they’d make an exception to this hard and fast rule when it comes to LPQ. Riot doesn't have a single hard rule. All of them are intentionally vague.
: Everything Riot has ever published has stated that they are opposed to creating prisoner’s island situations. Either they’re lying or you’re wrong.
> [{quoted}](name=insomniacjezz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ELohW0mW,comment-id=0000000200000000,timestamp=2019-03-14T08:55:38.647+0000) > > Everything Riot has ever published has stated that they are opposed to creating prisoner’s island situations. Either they’re lying or you’re wrong. It was stated once in a q&a unrelated to the leaverbuster.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: >Citation. you first because "In its name." is not a valid proof
> [{quoted}](name=Voldymort,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ELohW0mW,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-03-14T08:51:00.661+0000) > > you first because "In its name." is not a valid proof It's not a proof, it's a fact. Low priority queue is a queue.
: So is hate speech not an insta-ban anymore?
You do not get the feedback. It's random and rare. Check whether they are playing.
: That isn’t how low priority queue works.
> [{quoted}](name=insomniacjezz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ELohW0mW,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2019-03-14T08:28:42.283+0000) > > That isn’t how low priority queue works. This is exactly how it works. It was implemented in DotA 2 and the concept, along with its name, was stolen from it.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: unless you've found where exactly it states that it's a separate queue, it's the same queue normal people play in
> [{quoted}](name=Voldymort,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ELohW0mW,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-03-14T08:20:26.390+0000) > > unless you've found where exactly it states that it's a separate queue In its name. > it's the same queue normal people play in Citation.
: Doesn't prevent a player from leaving the game on purpose for the first time.
> [{quoted}](name=Lush Father,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ELohW0mW,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-14T08:07:40.862+0000) > > Doesn't prevent a player from leaving the game on purpose for the first time. Nothing, not even the death penalty, prevents people from leaving the game on purpose for the first time.
: This doesn't solve anything.
> [{quoted}](name=Lush Father,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ELohW0mW,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-14T08:01:03.138+0000) > > This doesn't solve anything. It does. You don't get to play with them and quality of their games rapidly declines.
: I like how I can purposely leave the game as many times as I want without real punishment.
But you get to play with other leavers. It's called low priority queue for a reason.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: did you try asking the support via livechat?
> [{quoted}](name=Voldymort,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YkPPBENL,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-03-13T13:46:53.169+0000) > > did you try asking the support via livechat? I did, but it seemed to be off. Timezoned screw me over. Leaving work in an hour, will make a ticket.
: Here: https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2017/01/ask-riot-banished-to-prisoners-island/ They mention LPQ in the “about” section, and go on to explain why they don’t use different queues for punishment.
> [{quoted}](name=insomniacjezz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YkPPBENL,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-13T10:54:01.250+0000) > > Here: https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2017/01/ask-riot-banished-to-prisoners-island/ > > They mention LPQ in the “about” section, and go on to explain why they don’t use different queues for punishment. I have already linked it but it doesn't contain any concrete statement by riot about something they called LOW PRIORITY QUEUE and confused everyone. Right now I am talking to a guy who says "it's called LOW PRIORITY QUEUE, it can't be normal ranked queue and I feel like wait times are too long". Why is Riot doing this to me? Where is the information?
RallerenP (EUW)
: I'm not sure what kind of proof you're expecting. Low Priority Que (LPQ) just means that you have to wait to get in-game. I'm not sure if they actually proritise you lower than others after you've waited though.
> [{quoted}](name=RallerenP,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=YkPPBENL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-13T10:28:39.542+0000) > > I'm not sure what kind of proof you're expecting. Low Priority Que (LPQ) just means that you have to wait to get in-game. I need any link to riot saying exactly this. > I'm not sure if they actually proritise you lower than others after you've waited though. I am sure they do not.
Comentários de Rioters
: i've had players spam the ! ping on me before.
> [{quoted}](name=Inkling Commando,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9MEj3oPi,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-07T10:09:33.479+0000) > > i've had players spam the ! ping on me before. Even one "!" is very aggressive and can give an impression that you give a fuck.
: not just mia but all pings in general.
> [{quoted}](name=Inkling Commando,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9MEj3oPi,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-03-07T08:40:41.460+0000) > > not just mia but all pings in general. Just mia ping. It mentions the single question mark in the chat as the only acceptable form of bm, but the mia ping is historically interchangeable.
: ping spamming
https://youtube.com/watch?v=L14ZVMP7AqQ This video explains how to properly use the "mia" ping without spamming.
Voldymort (EUNE)
: >What I am saying is that voice chat would alleviate a lot of frustration in league and therefore LESSEN the amount of toxicity on average. riot released voice chat for people who have each oher in the friends list **and people would still rather use discord**. So the existance of a voice chat for league is not the solution. There's no harm trying it but i don't think it will change much. if anything it would make the ifs absolete because language recognition for AIs is not [Andromeda](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/andromeda/images/2/27/Andromeda_Ascendant.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150106102824&path-prefix=de) level yet.
> it would make the ifs absolete Good riddance
: Is Jhin Sexualized?
His gun is also oversexualized. https://i.imgur.com/fBaOcOX.jpg
: > [{quoted}](name=SonicAF,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=m4geAK5V,comment-id=00000000000000010001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-05T20:12:50.412+0000) > > The very concept of hate speech is political. > > Yeah, you explain me how it works. For a pretty long time. There were multiple posts on PB forums, [some more successful than the others](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/xAAcRMo4-the-incompatibility-of-zero-tolerance-with-the-tiered-penalty-system), with Riot Tantram playing [an idiot](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Gnar) and avoiding any statements on the issue, doing exactly what you do right now - repeating how the system works. > > This is pretty concrete evidence that Riot doesn't care about reforming people. try saying something that would be ethically or racially insensitive to somebody and you will see precisely how bad of a decision it is to provoke with hate speech. It has nothing to do with politics, it has everything to do with not being a scumbag who would rather feign ignorance of other cultures and history. We repeat how the system works because people continuously make the same errors over and over again. If mistakes were not made then there would be no need for reform, nor would there be need for moderators or heralds or specialists. If Riot truly did not care about the playerbase they would just delete any posts that didn’t fit their narrative. I can guarantee you they wouldn’t have been a thing for almost ten years, I can guarantee you they would not have the worldwide popularity they do year after year if they didn’t care about the playerbase.
> [{quoted}](name=Boltonator,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=m4geAK5V,comment-id=000000000000000100010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-05T22:06:05.599+0000) > > try saying something that would be ethically or racially insensitive to somebody and you will see precisely how bad of a decision it is to provoke with hate speech. It has nothing to do with politics, it has everything to do with not being a scumbag who would rather feign ignorance of other cultures and history. The idea of separating some insults, words or views into a special category of "hate speech" is political. It doesn't mean that there is no hateful speech in the world. People getting "provoked" by "hate speech" are an issue, of course. When they get violent over words, they should go to jail. This is not Riot's thing to solve. > We repeat how the system works because people continuously make the same errors over and over again. If mistakes were not made then there would be no need for reform, nor would there be need for moderators or heralds or specialists. Even if you know how system works in general, we have no idea about specifics. None of us. > If Riot truly did not care about the playerbase they would just delete any posts that didn’t fit their narrative. I can guarantee you they wouldn’t have been a thing for almost ten years, I can guarantee you they would not have the worldwide popularity they do year after year if they didn’t care about the playerbase. They care about having a playerbase. They do not care about giving the specific person a chance to adapt to their system or, as they say, "reform". In a matter of scummy unethical practices Riot surpasses EA and EA has quite an audience. All Riot has over them is a better game.
: > [{quoted}](name=SonicAF,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=m4geAK5V,comment-id=000000000000000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-05T19:18:51.350+0000) > > Even in your heavily politicised stance that assumes "hate speech" exists, Riot acts inconsistently. They ban you for two weeks for "hate speech" and give you a chance to reform. You take your chance to reform and get permabanned for saying "gj" to a dying teammate. It is even more ridiculous if you assume that "hate speech" exists. **Do you understand what I say?** I did not intend to come across as political with my statements. The fact of the matter is hate speech does exist, I have seen it as recently as two days ago. People still say things they shouldn’t and the same is true on the Internet. By the way, after receiving a 14-day ban your account is basically on the thinnest of ice, where even a minor report would be sufficient to perma-ban your account. That is how the system works, whether we like it or not. Maybe more leniency will be forthcoming in the future but that is an unknown.
> [{quoted}](name=Boltonator,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=m4geAK5V,comment-id=0000000000000001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-05T19:27:23.011+0000) > > I did not intend to come across as political with my statements. The fact of the matter is hate speech does exist, I have seen it as recently as two days ago. People still say things they shouldn’t and the same is true on the Internet. The very concept of hate speech is political. > By the way, after receiving a 14-day ban your account is basically on the thinnest of ice, where even a minor report would be sufficient to perma-ban your account. That is how the system works, whether we like it or not. Maybe more leniency will be forthcoming in the future but that is an unknown. Yeah, you explain me how it works. For a pretty long time. There were multiple posts on PB forums, [some more successful than the others](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/xAAcRMo4-the-incompatibility-of-zero-tolerance-with-the-tiered-penalty-system), with Riot Tantram playing [an idiot](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Gnar) and avoiding any statements on the issue, doing exactly what you do right now - repeating how the system works. This is pretty concrete evidence that Riot doesn't care about reforming people.
: > [{quoted}](name=SonicAF,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=m4geAK5V,comment-id=0000000000000001000100000000,timestamp=2019-03-05T17:14:13.356+0000) > > People of different cultures, and that includes your fellow Americans who believe in non-existance of hate speech, can use "the bad stuff", learn their lesson and get permabanned despite showing clear desire to reform as they don't use those pesky ZT words anymore(which you have to guess, as Riot does not provide lists). > > Keep in mind, we are discussing, basically, innocent stuff - not crimes. ZT is anything which is said that belittles, dehumanizes or categorizes another person in a derogatory manner based on color, ethnicity, gender or social background. The reason Riot does not provide lists is because the mere usage of ZT words, even under the sole pretense of education, can be construed as them promoting hate speech. That is the reality of the situation and, even though it may not seem like it, saying hateful or derogatory things to another person or group of people over the Internet is still a negative social faux pas. If you wouldn’t say something to a person’s face then why should you be allowed to say the same thing while hiding behind the veil of anonymity that is the Internet?
> [{quoted}](name=Boltonator,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=m4geAK5V,comment-id=00000000000000010001000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-05T17:26:28.934+0000) > > ZT is anything which is said that belittles, dehumanizes or categorizes another person in a derogatory manner based on color, ethnicity, gender or social background. The reason Riot does not provide lists is because the mere usage of ZT words, even under the sole pretense of education, can be construed as them promoting hate speech. > > That is the reality of the situation and, even though it may not seem like it, saying hateful or derogatory things to another person or group of people over the Internet is still a negative social faux pas. If you wouldn’t say something to a person’s face then why should you be allowed to say the same thing while hiding behind the veil of anonymity that is the Internet? Even in your heavily politicised stance that assumes "hate speech" exists, Riot acts inconsistently. They ban you for two weeks for "hate speech" and give you a chance to reform. You take your chance to reform and get permabanned for saying "gj" to a dying teammate. It is even more ridiculous if you assume that "hate speech" exists. **Do you understand what I say?**
: > [{quoted}](name=SonicAF,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=m4geAK5V,comment-id=00000000000000010001,timestamp=2019-03-05T15:24:37.329+0000) > > If Riot had the goal to reform people, they would have different ladders for ZT speech and passive-aggresive behaviour. They don't. I won't guess what are they trying to achieve in this post, but I have enough evidence to have an opinion. > > These forum guidelines are another loophole to silence opinions. I express my disgust. Here is the issue with reform: the results are dependent on both parties involved. The one attempting to instill reform has to put their best foot forward to make the idea of changing a persons attitude seem more realistic. On the flip side though, if the person(s) needing reform have no interest in changing their tune whatsoever than nothing is accomplished. You cannot say with any degree of credibility that Riot is at fault when many cases of punishment are the direct result of the player’s words or actions. There is already a “ladder system” in place with ZT-words/phrases and general toxicity, which can be found in the “Universal Rules” tab underneath the sign in. There you will find “The Good Stuff”, “The Bad Stuff”, and “The Really Bad Stuff.” I recommend taking a few minutes of your time to get acquainted with what is permissible, what isn’t permissible and what is absolutely not permissible.
> [{quoted}](name=Boltonator,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=m4geAK5V,comment-id=000000000000000100010000,timestamp=2019-03-05T16:26:52.594+0000) > > Here is the issue with reform: the results are dependent on both parties involved. The one attempting to instill reform has to put their best foot forward to make the idea of changing a persons attitude seem more realistic. On the flip side though, if the person(s) needing reform have no interest in changing their tune whatsoever than nothing is accomplished. You cannot say with any degree of credibility that Riot is at fault when many cases of punishment are the direct result of the player’s words or actions. > > There is already a “ladder system” in place with ZT-words/phrases and general toxicity, which can be found in the “Universal Rules” tab underneath the sign in. There you will find “The Good Stuff”, “The Bad Stuff”, and “The Really Bad Stuff.” I recommend taking a few minutes of your time to get acquainted with what is permissible, what isn’t permissible and what is absolutely not permissible. People of different cultures, and that includes your fellow Americans who believe in non-existance of hate speech, can use "the bad stuff", learn their lesson and get permabanned despite showing clear desire to reform as they don't use those pesky ZT words anymore(which you have to guess, as Riot does not provide lists). Keep in mind, we are discussing, basically, innocent stuff - not crimes.
: > [{quoted}](name=SonicAF,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=m4geAK5V,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-05T14:28:43.814+0000) > > Does that mean that these guidelines are not rules and will be applied inconsistently, selectively and will proceed filtering forum community to be even further from actual playerbase? The rules of the PB boards have *always* been selective based on the circumstances. It's just a blatant display of double standards and moderation bias, really. I'm just thinking to take it up with Riot, because being disrespectful to punished posters may discourage them to reform, which is Riot's goal with most punishments
> [{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=m4geAK5V,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2019-03-05T14:43:43.215+0000) > > The rules of the PB boards have *always* been selective based on the circumstances. It's just a blatant display of double standards and moderation bias, really. > > I'm just thinking to take it up with Riot, because being disrespectful to punished posters may discourage them to reform, which is Riot's goal with most punishments If Riot had the goal to reform people, they would have different ladders for ZT speech and passive-aggresive behaviour. They don't. I won't guess what are they trying to achieve in this post, but I have enough evidence to have an opinion. These forum guidelines are another loophole to silence opinions. I express my disgust.
Ulanopo (NA)
: While you generally shouldn't be discussing that term under the "Do Not Argue Context" guideline, you may refer to it obliquely as a racial slur. In general, any alternate spelling or nonstandard characters that reveal more than the censor is a bad idea. We're not going to have hard rules on this because of people trying to rules lawyer their way past the policy.
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=m4geAK5V,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-05T14:14:56.009+0000) > > While you generally shouldn't be discussing that term under the "Do Not Argue Context" guideline, you may refer to it obliquely as a racial slur. > > In general, any alternate spelling or nonstandard characters that reveal more than the censor is a bad idea. We're not going to have hard rules on this because of people trying to rules lawyer their way past the policy. Does that mean that these guidelines are not rules and will be applied inconsistently, selectively and will proceed filtering forum community to be even further from actual playerbase? "Do not argue" rule can also be abused to shut down discussions about improving the punishment system whether Riot should make it even more evil or slightly softer. Do you ban those discussions?
Ulanopo (NA)
: Updated Player Behavior Guidelines
What types of "n%%%%rs" can I use to discuss policies? Forum chat filter censors the word entirely, making conversation impossible and often leading to people doing the "f-word but not fuck" thing. What counts as bypassing the chat filter? Set the standard, please.
: Reported
Excuse me, guys, would you kindly calibrate your moral compasses? OP is a jerk and you may not like it, but not only was retaliation towards him disproportionate, he also uncovers a very real problem - a very obvious pattern of griefing that is outstandingly easy to track and doesn't get banned on a single report. Banning one's champ is a valid tactical choice and it's not even the topic of the post.
: Perma Banned for Botting? What?
Custom skins. Stupid overlays. Memory editors unrelated to league. Think about anything that could be falsely detected, unrelated to your history of coop vs ai. Keep in mind that league is a game that would crash if you have a chrome tab with "cheat engine" in its title. Oh, by the way, macro-mouses and keyboards, as well as all forms of autoclickers are bannable.
: Not sure where to post this but, I need something done about this.
You can mute people after they tell you to kill yourself once. If you are fascinated by their creativity, you have noone to blame.
: Account suspension because going 1 5 is inting....?
Seems like we have an inting banwave. Bollocks.
: with time to walk to lane, time to respawn, etc, assuming you started dying on the first minion wave crashing at 1:45, you feasibly cannot die that frequently UNLESS you are explicitly trying to fight every time you re-enter lane, as that leaves you only 12 minutes to die 13 times. That is not possible unless you are inting.
> [{quoted}](name=Sp33d Zer0,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Fuuz4rJo,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2019-03-04T10:04:44.363+0000) > > with time to walk to lane, time to respawn, etc, assuming you started dying on the first minion wave crashing at 1:45, you feasibly cannot die that frequently UNLESS you are explicitly trying to fight every time you re-enter lane, as that leaves you only 12 minutes to die 13 times. > > That is not possible unless you are inting. I had very similar score as a jungler once. I was lvl 2 by the time everyone was 6 and all of my xp came from leeching a bit on toplane. They kept my jungle warded and 3-manned me upon arrival(bot+jgl or top+mid+jgl) while my team shouted at me. It has been, like 6 years and now I think they had wards at my base entrances. I would be really upset if I faced a punishment for that game and stumbled upon the attitude like yours that strips me of any benefit of the doubt. Especially when judge is a bot.
: give it the overwatch treatment
> [{quoted}](name=Celestial Lion12,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AMmRQVQr,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-04T03:39:22.974+0000) > > give it the overwatch treatment The same can be applied to ZT filter.
Xidphel (NA)
: >It's not flamers who have to change, it's the victims.
These days people you brand flamers **are** the victims. Riot's petty and inconsistent witch hunt doesn't benefit anyone.
: dying 13 times in a 14 minute game can't be done unless you're intentionally trying to.
> [{quoted}](name=Baron Barian,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Fuuz4rJo,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-04T03:35:51.032+0000) > > dying 13 times in a 14 minute game can't be done unless you're intentionally trying to. It can easily be done if your team afks and you refuse to. I also had smurfs collectively hunting me as a joke, to see how my team rages at me.
: > [{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4Re8OvIE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-03-04T04:21:11.114+0000) > > Most of the comments on that thread with thousands of upvotes are stating how it's bull shit players got banned for staring Indeed, but it still happened.
> [{quoted}](name=I Follow Christ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4Re8OvIE,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-03-04T04:27:57.144+0000) > > Indeed, but it still happened. Excuse me, do you justify Riot's insanity by providing an example of NBA's insanity? Do I misunderstand you?
Voldymort (EUNE)
: Well... according to you, everyone who posts in here is "only technically guilty" so...
> [{quoted}](name=Voldymort,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HWXkquhR,comment-id=00020000000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-04T06:14:57.251+0000) > > Well... according to you, everyone who posts in here is "technically guilty" so... According to me, most people posting here are victims. Tgeir punishment is either too harsh or is based on a technicality. Like that "kys" guy.
rujitra (NA)
: ... No. There is absolutely no state that punishes people in any way for **good-faith** reporting when there was nothing bad happening. Period.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HWXkquhR,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-03-04T05:54:45.937+0000) > > ... No. There is absolutely no state that punishes people in any way for **good-faith** reporting when there was nothing bad happening. Period. False-reporting as a practice increases the chance people, who are only technically guilty, get punished.
: the system is designed to give multiple chances without leading to punishment so long as its kept rare. its basically cutting some slack for decent people. i.e: i flame the absolute shit out of you, but not enough to trigger an instant IFS. therefore, by this system you're proposing, if you reported me, for actually flaming, YOU would be punished, not me. secondly, reports that are actually false do nothing on the account, so "false reports" dont actually count against you, and therefore abuse of it isnt actually a thing.
> [{quoted}](name=FOR JUSTICE,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HWXkquhR,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-04T05:44:22.262+0000) > > the system is designed to give multiple chances without leading to punishment so long as its kept rare. > > i.e: > > i flame the absolute shit out of you, but not enough to trigger an instant IFS. therefore, by this logic if you reported me, for actually flaming, YOU would be punished, not me. > > > secondly, reports that are actually false do nothing on the account, so "false reports" dont actually count against you. Awesome. So the system is designed to not punish some punishable behaviour, because otherwise it would ban half the server, but it's also designed to throw away false reports without informing the reporter about it. That's quite an awesome feedback providing. Whoever thought it was a good idea should flip burgers.
: I think that flase reports should be punished
This goes against Riot's strategy of virtue-signaling.
: When someone is acting outside the rules, you should stop interacting with them. There is never any good reason to use hate speech. If you want to report someone, report them. Keep it out of chat. No one else needs to know anything about it. Also, don't insult your team.
> [{quoted}](name=Silent Gravity,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EjYeMdL8,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-03T07:19:15.826+0000) > > There is never any good reason to use hate speech. It was not hate speech by any definition and it seems like a fair reason to me.
: What other ults can become completely useless because you cast it then don't have mana like Illaoi
Bad ults without mana? Tahm Kench. Twisted Fate. Kassadin. Nasus. Sion. Hell, most champions in the game.
: You will never be punished for saying “fuck off” once to anyone.
> [{quoted}](name=insomniacjezz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ivwYsQ7V,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-03T09:34:43.384+0000) > > You will never be punished for saying “fuck off” once to anyone. You will if you've got 2-weeked recently.
: Penalize those players with negative performance more seriously plz!!!
Negative performance is not a player's issue. It's matchmaking issue.
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