: Sylas was the first champion I got to work on and as is traditional I brought too much ambition and caused a lot of confusion. Sorry internet u_u Sylas himself _can't_ absorb magic but he _is_ a mage in that he can use/channel magic. Unfortunately he's been locked into some pretty cruel manacles that just happen to be really good at stopping magic creatures. His restraints are made of a material called Petricite that ancient Demacians invented, basically concrete made from ancient trees that were thought to **nullify** all magic (if you've seen One Piece they are like the Seastone Handcuffs). But here's the secret to Sylas' power: he has discovered that Petricite doesn't nullify magic but absorbs it. It drinks in all magic voraciously, causing mages to fall to their knees in pain as their power is drained away, but then stores it like a battery. What's more is he has learned how to release it! He's no trained wizard; he can't shape it into complex spells but instead unleashes all that stored magic that's been drained from his body in chaotic bursts. TL;DR The petricite manacles absorb all forms of magic with seemingly limitless voracity. Sylas is the only mage who has learned how to release it again!
> It drinks in all magic voraciously, causing mages to fall to their knees in pain as their power is drained away, but then stores it like a battery. Are you sure about the pain bit? I know drinking Petricite elixirs/potions causes pain to mages, but for example, in Flesh and Stone, Lux touched Petricite and didnt feel pain: > Lux approached the plinth where the colossus stood, all alone in the stillness of night. She cautiously placed her hand on the cold petricite foundation. Wonder what it tastes like. I bet it’s really bitter, she reckoned. She supposed she would find out soon enough, unless her plan worked. And Sylas isnt in constant pain just by wearing the shackles(and they do absorb his magic since he lost part of his magical sigth on prision, he just absorbs it back). And it makes sense that Petricite elixirs would hurt since well, you're basically drinking concrete. So can you clarify? Petricite absorbing magic making mages feel pain doesnt seem to fit what the lore currently says, save for potions. Also what do you exactly mean when saying he cant absorb magic? In Demacian Heart he seemed to pretty clearly absorb a girl's magic without Petricite even if he couldnt keep it for long: > The boy rushed toward the girl, throwing himself between the heavy quarterstaff and the flaring streams of light. The hairs on his arms singed and his fingers blistered as he touched the little mage. > > A twisting arc of lightning pierced his hand, and a blazing current rushed through his flesh, contorting his entire body. The boy's heart clenched and all the air inside him rushed out. He gasped for breath but drew only emptiness. > ... > His heart raced, pumping a numbing calmness throughout his body. The blaze inside him remained, but no longer threatened to consume him. Instead, it flowed calmly throughout, and for the briefest moments it felt malleable to his thoughts. Then it suddenly sparked and flared hotter until he could no longer contain it inside. > > Light erupted from his hands, and the world disappeared. > > Sylas opened his eyes. Three smoldering husks lay strewn on the scorched ground. One of them held a warped and splintered staff in hand. The other two had fallen near each other, their arms splayed and reaching, but forever apart.
: > [{quoted}](name=YDy2ZkRq02,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=RWccJLEx,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2020-01-23T12:34:35.092+0000) > > Dunno if you got to read Realms of Runeterra yet, but on the timeline in the book, it's mentioned that Avarosa and Serylda actually entered into a war against Lissandra and that she sacrificed her sisters on the finall battle in her own fortress against them. This civil war is only vaguely implied on her bio on this bit: > > It feels weird that her bio "diminish" an actual war like that, but she's most likely refering to this war when talking about Avarosa's betrayal. She allies with the watchers at first and gets her sisters into it for power, they found an empire and then what? Sisters rebel wanting to be independent lissandra fights them but then right in the middle of that the watchers decide they wana come through and lissandra realizes what´s going on so she decides to sacrifice all the iceborn+true ice at hand to seal them off.....essentially betraying everyone involved in this mess, her sisters, her followers, and her former masters the watchers. And yet she still sticks the title of "traitors" on her sisters. ..... Okaaay, that.....makes no sense at all.
> She allies with the watchers at first and gets her sisters into it for power, they found an empire and then what? Her sisters didnt "get into it", while they did get immortality, Lissandra didnt tell them it came from the Watchers, the only one with total knolwedge of the deal was Lissandra. They only really got full knwoeldge of it at the start/during the war with Lissandra, indeed her alliance with the Watchers was one of the main reasons they fought her. > Sisters rebel wanting to be independent lissandra fights them but then right in the middle of that the watchers decide they wana come through and lissandra realizes what´s going on so she decides to sacrifice all the iceborn+true ice at hand to seal them off.....essentially betraying everyone involved in this mess, her sisters, her followers, and her former masters the watchers. > > And yet she still sticks the title of "traitors" on her sisters. Well yes, she betrayed everyone, but it's Lissandra narrating. She isnt just going to say "My sisters were totally justified on trying to kill me and I cry every night of my mistakes"(hyperbole but still) the narration is biased towards Lissandra since well, it's Lissandra narrating. Sometimes people say senseless things due to auto-defense, pride etc you can consider this one of those cases.
: 1. I´d guess the seals her followers check are in a different place from the larger area she was in, and that she is the only one who goes into that place. 2. What kind of birds? Magic fantasy birds with ice resistance. 3. Honestly this part was confusing, she shows empathy as if she knows his pain as he lies dying from the cold but then she turns him into a undead something and sends him to guide the girl,.....hard to say exactly what she felt about it´. 4. Seems to be some kind of necromancy that keeps the spirit ....relatively intact. 5. Voilbear probably does not care or he did not see it, he has plenty of praying followers it seems so one being assassinated should be of little concern to him. -------- That´s it for my answers, but there was one part that i found to be of great interest as well, the fact that she calls Avarossa and her clansmen traitors.....traitors to what exactly? Lissandra is the one who buried the watchers with her giant magic true ice glacier and is keeping them down with her dreamwalking, so what role exactly did her sisters and their clans play in this for Lissandra to call them traitors? Plot thickens, someone should stir it least it starts to burn at the bottom of the pot......
> Lissandra is the one who buried the watchers with her giant magic true ice glacier and is keeping them down with her dreamwalking, so what role exactly did her sisters and their clans play in this for Lissandra to call them traitors? Dunno if you got to read Realms of Runeterra yet, but on the timeline in the book, it's mentioned that Avarosa and Serylda actually entered into a war against Lissandra and that she sacrificed her sisters on the finall battle in her own fortress against them. This civil war is only vaguely implied on her bio on this bit: > However, Lissandra’s sisters grew displeased. Avarosa argued that the only thing worse than death was servitude. Even Serylda bristled against what would become of the world they had fought so hard for. Caught in the middle, Lissandra tried to soothe her sisters’ concerns while appealing to the Watchers for more time, but the unknowable nothingness cared not for such platitudes. It feels weird that her bio "diminish" an actual war like that, but she's most likely refering to this war when talking about Avarosa's betrayal.
WarWork (NA)
: I think this might have made me more confused or at least a raised a lot of questions. Like what are the limits of their shape-shifting abilities? Can't Rengar just shapeshift his missing eye into a new working one? If Vastayah all are shapeshifters, why would Rengar's clan make his size and issue? That's a pretty physical reason for people that can (somewhat) freely change their appearances. Do Vastaya have a way to detect each other than appearance, because Sett was discriminated for being half human and he looks similar to Ahri, human with animal ears (minus tails)?
On that very comment Odin has said most changes arent permanent. And they're also tied to their subconcious thoughts and personalities, so you could say that Rengar's defeat against Kha'Zix has marked him psycolagically and the scar on his eye reflects that in a way that he cant change, by that logic it's even possible that he can only shapeshift the eye back into a working one if he kills Kha'Zix. The size bit is a bit harder to answer but I think you can still explain it though shapeshifting limitations(he could get larger but not for long etc) and later on his subconcious(represetative of the clan's denial of him). About Sett, the Vastaya page say this: > No new vastaya have been born in several mortal lifetimes, and it could be that this ancient race now perceives another time of great change approaching… Since Vastaya havent been born for a long time, any Vastaya birth would become a very known event, and since they're very spiritual and stuff, yes, there's probally a way to notice the difference beyond visuals and Sett's mom case with a Noxian probally became well known anyway. Also looking similiar to Ahri doesnt mean much since he isnt from Ahri's tribe. I would say there are bigger differences between different Vastaya tribes than there is between Vastaya and humans.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wrathof300,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=amEaEZ2q,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003,timestamp=2020-01-18T08:39:42.574+0000) > > The Targonians sealed the Darkin in weapons so that they could be used by mortals to slay other Darkin. > > They created god killing weapons essentially, only Targon probably didn't expect the Darkin to be able to use their blood magic to corrupt the wielders. That is not entirely true, they killed the other darkins with moon magic. I think they wanted to use the weapons to kill Voidborns instead
No, only some Darkin were killed in Twilight of the Gods(which was the only occasion were moon magic was directly used to kill Ascended to out knowledge), there were a lot more around which were killed with the weapons: > With magic and cunning, the greatest of the darkin were forged into living weapons, and used against those that remained Quote from the [Darkin page](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_GB/race/darkin/) on the "To Slay Legends" section.
: One thing. It was the Aspect of Twilight who helped seal the Darkin, not the Aspect of War. It's why Aatrox has so many violent lines aimed at Zoe.
I know. When I said "help from the Aspect of War" I meant help to actually fight against the Darkin, not to seal them. It's mentioned on Aatrox bio: > It is said that the Aspect of Twilight gave mortals the knowledge to trap the darkin, and **the newly reborn Aspect of War united many in fighting back against them. **
: Hello, fellow cartographer! I was tasked, a while ago, to map out Piltover and Zaun, so I absolutely know and understand your pain. Not sure how much I can get away with saying here, today, but heck - everyone's asleep so let's map-chat! _STANDARD DISCLAIMER: Nothing said here can be 100% relied upon to go forward. Unless it's published and translated to all the appropriate languages, it's subject to change because posting in one place in one language is a lousy way to distribute information. Use with caution. The State of California says it may cause cancer._ One of the biggest challenges was dealing with the two 'sea level' heights - one one side of the Sun Gates, the water level is clearly very much higher than on the other. Now, while it's tempting to use a dam or something, for Piltover and Zaun, they are both of them open water. Piltover and Zaun are on an isthmus between the two continents, with the lower ocean on the SE side, and access to the higher seas between Valoran and Shurima on the NW side. While it might initially seem a bit nutty to have different sea levels, this is actually something that does happen in the real world due to the rotation of the planet, the movement of the moon, and the geometry of coastlines and oceans. Earth doesn't have anything quite as _extreme_ as this, but it's a matter of scale, not of possibility. Next, and I'm not sure you even mentioned it in your post, is the River Pilt. Having a river flow onto an isthmus is challenging, but not impossible. I recommend just tweaking the heights/contour lines until you get it working pretty well. I had it dumping out into the lower sea. However, it dropped very suddenly to do so, resulting in quite a few stepped waterfalls. At least, it used to. Until the explosions. Then, the caves and reinforced edges of what was Zaun on the waterfall collapsed into what are effectively long sinkholes - creating several chasms at or near the lower sea level, with the River Pilt crashing down into the first one and making its way through what is effectively mineral Swiss cheese of crevices, underwater caves, and the like, until dumping out in a very polluted fashion on the SE side. These chasms are approximately perpendicular to the Sun Gates to the NE. When the chasms opened, the riverbed drained, revealing new prime building space (New Town style) for what would be called Piltover. Gotta go before the lore-police finds me. Hope you enjoy and I salute you fellow map nerd!
The moment I saw the Riot mark on this post I knew it would be you.
Vlada Cut (EUNE)
: Camille isn't a villain WTF. She's a hero who minds her own business by protecting her own clan, the only when she does the city jobs for Piltover and Zaun is either when she is paid to do so or when they are threatening her own clan. What on earth is villanous and evil about that? Did you at least try reading her stories till the end...
> She's a hero who minds her own business by protecting her own clan, the only when she does the city jobs for Piltover and Zaun is either when she is paid to do so or when they are threatening her own clan. No one pays Camille to do her job, her lore doesnt say that anywhere. And also, you have to think of what "threat to her clan" means to her, it can extend to people that would be considered innocent. Her bio even notes this: > Yet there were consequences—synthetic crystal manufacturing has long been rumored to heavily contribute to the Zaun Gray. Furthermore, it was only through espionage, intimidation, and murder that Clan Ferros held its monopoly on this priceless commodity, and ensured its uninterrupted production in Zaun, maintaining the family’s place in Piltover’s illustrious Bluewind Court. Would it be heroic to murder someone from another clan who's trying to improve Hextech crystals production? Or someone who's trying to diminish the abuse of workers on Hextech crystals factories? Some people can disagree that she's a villain and that's fine, but calling her "a hero who minds her own businnes" when her main goal is "securing her/her clan's power"(which is a definying trait of many villains) sound unfair to me.
: The Comet cometh
I think at the time it was released it may have been ASol, but I cant really see his return being set that far back anymore. I would say Aatrox is more likely now, their lore does mention their fight enfulged the skies so Aatrox probally can fly. It being Kayle is an interesting possibilty too, but as the story being before his fight with Aatrox means it should be 8 years ago or so in universe wise, I can only really see it being Aatrox.
: Shadow Isles: What are the Rules??
> How is it that people who enter the isles are dead the moment the mist touches them, but Lucian is able to have a full on battle with Thresh without consequences? > > How does one break this rule? Who is and isn't able to enter the isles? So, while the Mist surely is deadly, it doesnt cover every single bit of air and land in the SI and people can walk on the areas that arent covered by it. This "rule" that people die the moment they reach the Isles is actually just a common assumption that isnt truly supported by lore. While Lucian can just kill undead who attack him, we have A LOT of other examples of people being able to walk on the Isles before predatory spirits attack them: > “Help… me,” begged the shipwrecked man. > > Yorick couldn’t say how long the survivor had been lying there, bones broken, bleeding into what remained of his wrecked sailing vessel. He had been moaning loudly, but his cries were drowned out by the multitude of wailing souls that haunted the isle. A maelstrom of spirits gathered around him, drawn to his flickering life force like a beacon, hungry to reap a fresh soul. The man’s eyes widened in horror. > > He was right to be scared. Yorick had seen what happened to lost spirits taken by the Black Mist, and this—this was warm flesh, a rarity in the Shadow Isles. It had been how long—a hundred years?—since Yorick had seen a living being? He could feel the Mist on his back quivering, eager to wrap this stranger in its cold embrace. But the sight of the man stirred something in Yorick he had long forgotten, and whatever it was would not allow him to surrender this life. The burly monk heaved the damaged man onto his shoulders and carried him back up the hill to his old monastery. [Last Rites, Yorick color story ](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/yorick-color-story/) (How long Yorick has seen a living being doesnt reflect how long anyone has been on the Isles cause it's an entire archipelago and he cant look over the entire thing at once) > Elise found a desperate, debt-ridden captain willing to bear her and her fellow pilgrims across the ocean. The ship sailed for weeks until a craggy island loomed from seething banks of black mist. Elise came ashore on a beach of ashen sand and led her followers deep into the island’s haunted depths like lambs to the slaughter. Many were stolen away by spiteful wraiths, but half a dozen remained by the time they reached the web-wreathed lair of the Spider God. [Elise bio](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/champion/elise/) While many of them died the fact that they reached Vilemaw's lair still proves my point. The same thing happens in her color story(even though there you could argue Elise was using her powers to protect them, but on that bit of the bio she was a normal human). > Icy waves crashed on the bleak shore, red with the blood of the men Hecarim had already butchered. The mortals he had yet to kill were retreating over the beach in terror. Black rain doused them and stormclouds boiled in from the mourning heart of the island. He heard them shouting to one another. The words were a guttural battle-cant he did not recognize, but the meaning was clear; they actually thought they might live to reach their ship. True, they had some skill. They moved as one, wooden shields interlocked. But they were mortal and Hecarim savored the meat-stink of their fear. [No One Lives, Hecarim color story ](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/hecarim-color-story/) Now, to mention Realms of Runeterra: > ### *[There are people who make a living out of entering on the Isles, looting magical items and selling them.](https://prnt.sc/qhgm3i) That would be impossible if the Mist instantly killed everyone who got there. It's extremly risky but not instant death. [There's also a part that explains what happens _over time_ with you if the spirits dont kill you](https://prnt.sc/qhgln3), and by the description you can see that it's not an instant process as people seem to think* As you can see, Lucian didnt break any rule, because there isnt any rule saying the Mist instantly kills people who enter in the Isles, as opossed, we have many examples of people who were able to enter there and when powerful spirits didnt hunt them, some even got out of there alive. This is just an assumption that people tend to make and it's wrong.
: Do we know anything about this planet and those isles / continent?
I'm really late, but one of those islands west of Demacia(most likely the closest to it) might be Senna's home until she became a Sentinel of Light.
: Where's the last Darkin?
I dont think you're reading Vladimir lore correctly. He never "left" his Darkin. What actually happened was the following: * Darkin conquers Vladimir's father kingdom and takes Vladimir as hostage to ensure his father's loyalty. * His father betrays the Darkin anyway as he didnt care about Vladimir. * The Darkin orders Vladimir to lead his armies, scaking the city and retaking it on the Darkin's name * Vladimir govern his father's kingdom on his place, possibly suffering abuse from the Darkin and knowing his inhuman strength, his loyalty is seemlighly assured. On Vladimir own words: > "I was a good and faithful hound on a leash.” * Amused by Vladimir's devotion and loyalty, the Darkin teach Vlad blood magic more for fun than anything. Vladimir grew to govern almost as merciless and cruel as the Darkin himself. But considering how the Darkin seemed Vladimir as just another mortal that he could smash whenever he wanted, most of that was made more for fun than anything. * After Twilight of the Gods, countless of once slaves unite and march upon the remaining Darkin, with the help of the Aspect of War and the power of Darkin weapons on the hands of mortal heroes. On desesperation the Darkin order Vladimir to lead his armies on his defense, but then Vladimir betrays him, the Darkin's warhost together with some of the other rebel armies fight the Darkin. And then Vladimir lands the killing blow and absorbs part of the Darkin's power though blood magic. Then later he allies with LB, helps to overthrow Mordekaiser and found Noxus etc etc. But to clarify this, Vladimir never escaped the Darkin, he killed his master and absorbed his power(which is the source of his great magical power and domain over blood magic, he was extremly weaker than his current form during his mortal life). The next Darkin weapon(which isnt necessarily the last one) not being mentioned yet doesnt really needs an in lore explanation beyond "We didnt reach the point where it's revelant yet" we will eventually get info about it, we just need time. Also Noxus was founded 550 years after the Darkin were defeated. About why the Darkin would let him govern and lead armies and all, it wasnt because of special interest in Vladimir, the Darkin just thought he was above meral mortal tasks. The Darkin didnt see themselves as kings, they saw themselves as _Gods_, they didnt conquer nations to govern them, they conquered nations so every mortal there could bow their knees, praise and fear them, simplying serving as tools on their hands. Tasks such as governing and leading armies arent things Gods have to do directly, those are just tasks their subordinates have to do on their name. And also, the Darkins couldnt be everywhere at once, when they were out conquering more nations and fighting other Darkin someone had to be on the nations they had already conquered to make sure those nations wouldnt rebel and would keep suplying the Darkin armies with food and soldiers.
Naymliss (NA)
: Isn't veigar's whole shtick that he's trying extremely hard to be evil but he keeps doing good deeds(or bad ones to bad people)
Yeah and that's the point of the post. He tries to be evil not paying taxes and end up doing good by not making anyone pay taxes.
: … Except that the incident on the western borders with Demacia was supposed to be Katarina's first mission, which would make no sense if Katarina was involved with fighting in the Ionian invasion. All it says is that General Du Couteau was called back to "prepare" for the invasion, which is vague enough to mean that he only planned it out back in mainland Noxus without actually taking part of it. At the very most, I could see Katarina being taken to Ionia if her father went there as well, and training underneath his eye, but never actually being a part of the fighting. Also, it's too early to assume anything about Talon, or that he was trained by General Du Couteau after Katarina disappointed him. All we can do is wait for Riot to actually give him some lore.
> … Except that the incident on the western borders with Demacia was supposed to be Katarina's first mission Well while this can be implied, it isnt directly stated and I think you can interpret on different ways > Her **first mark** came straight from her father, camped with his warbands on the eve of one of the military’s innumerable westward invasions… She was to assassinate a line officer of the opposing army, a low-born wretch by the name of Demetrius. > > Katarina was livid. **She hadn’t trained her entire life to have her talents wasted on some dungheel barely skilled enough to swing a sword!** The two bits I mentioned may give the impression that it was her first mission, but "first mark" could just means the first mission that truly impacted her and training her entire life, well, first mission or not she did train her entire life anyway. As I said you can interpret it as bei ng her first mission, but considering it's only implied, I rather consider it as the first mission with emotional/ideological impact on her, since it seems to fit the timeline more. > All it says is that General Du Couteau was called back to "prepare" for the invasion, which is vague enough to mean that he only planned it out back in mainland Noxus without actually taking part of it. While you're right that it's vague this: > When the general was recalled to Noxus to prepare for the long-awaited invasion of Ionia Sounds much more like the General had to prepare for the invasion rather than preparing the invasion itself. After all it sounds weird to me that he was called to Noxus to prepare something that had already been long waited. While you're right that it's vague, I find this intepretation really unlikely. > At the very least, I could see Katarina being taken to Ionia if her father went there as well, and training underneath his eye, but never actually being a part of the fighting. While that's possibility, would her father really deal with attack from the enemy while training her? It could be extremly risky to train people while you're at risk of a surprise attack. Even more so in Ionia where the enviroment _literally_ helps the Ionians, which probally means it would be easier to them to get to enemy camps unnoticed. Even if the intent was she only training, a situation like this would lead to her directly fighting the enemy, unless she just ran into the wilds should something like this happen which would be even more risky. > Also, it's too early to assume anything about Talon, or that he was trained by General Du Couteau after Katarina disappointed him. All we can do is wait for Riot to actually give him some lore. Yeah I know. It seems fitting to me, but we cant really know anything for sure for now and what I said about him was pretty much purely theory crafting.
: Who of our Noxian cast was part of the Ionian Invasion approx. 20 years ago?
The invasion wasnt 20 years ago but 12: > [But that ended twelve years ago, when Noxus attacked the First Lands. > ](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/region/ionia/) With that said, beyond {{champion:50}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:240}} and {{champion:141}} being there and {{champion:7}} {{champion:8}} and{{champion:14}} not being there, which was explained on other answers to the thread, {{champion:55}} most likely was and {{champion:69}} was not because of this: > When the general was recalled to Noxus to prepare for the long-awaited invasion of Ionia, he took Katarina with him, but Cassiopeia remained in Urzeris. (For clarifaction Urzeris is a Shuriman city conquered by Noxus before the Ionian invasion started) General bringing Katarina with him implies that happened before the incident on the western borders that separated them( if you dont know what that it is read [Kat's bio](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/champion/katarina/)). And while we dont really have any lore on {{champion:91}}, we can currently assume that General started training him after he got dissapointed with Katarina, which would imply Talon started training after the Ionian invasion, so he would not have been part of it. {{champion:119}} isnt Sett's father, the difference of age between them is less than 10 years and Sett was born long before the invasion when Draven was busy fighting in the army together with his brother(I also think Draven went to the arenas only after Swain coup but we dont know that for sure, we do know he was part of the army for a long time before that). He might have been part of the Ionian invasion since we dont really have anything officially denying or confirming that but Sett would have already been born before he even seet foot there.
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Salvaged Vlada,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=3M3iYPZE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-12-24T13:35:43.919+0000) > > Swain only. > > LB was still working behind the scheme pulling the strings, Vladimir was still hiding out of Noxian sight, Darius and Draven were too young to go to that war back then. > > Sion was too dead to even care about that ware cause his reincarnation was recent? > > One thing is certain tho, a relative to the new champion. > Sett's father, and it was during THAT Noxian invasion when he had met up with Sett's Vastayan mother. Don't forget {{champion:92}}. She's still considered part of the Noxian cast. I also think it's likely that {{champion:122}} and maybe {{champion:119}} at least did a little fighting there, though I'm pretty sure {{champion:6}} was still the main Noxian executioner all throughout the Ionian war. But they could have easily gone on expeditions there, especially since they're at least a decade older than {{champion:92}}, whom Noxus had no qualms throwing in the war. On that note, you can also count {{champion:141}}, but he doesn't consider himself Noxian anymore. Oh, and, as Ebonmaw mentioned above, of course, {{champion:240}} is likely.
I dont think Riven is that younger than them, being 10 years younger than Draven would imply she's currently 22, which would make she 10 when the war started. While Draven did join the army when he was 10 years old, Riven was already the commander of a warband effecient enough to receive an enchanted sword from the emperor himself, there's no way she did all of that when she was 10. She's probally around the same age as them, I would say she's at maximum 2 years younger than Draven, so 18 at the start of the war, and that would be my minimum, I'm pretty sure she's older than that.
: > [{quoted}](name=SaltyToplaneGoat,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=3M3iYPZE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-12-24T13:55:12.703+0000) > > I am not sure if "too young" is correct here. Going by our real-world references on oldtime empires, they'd probably let you join in on the legion at the age of 16, or whenever was considered "strong enough to lift a weapon". And Draven and Darius are in their late 30s, early 40s, no? So time-wise it would fit assuming they had the "luck" of joining the legion right before the invasion. Except they didn't. Otherwise they would've died just like everyone else with Riven.
Not every single Noxian died on the war, nor Chembombs were used in every single front. The thing with Riven warband a single event, that even if happened more than once, couldnt have killed all of the Noxian army. By the way to the comment above, Draven joined the army when he was 10 years old and Darius should be 2-4 years older, so he was 12-14.
: Swain only. LB was still working behind the scheme pulling the strings, Vladimir was still hiding out of Noxian sight, Darius and Draven were too young to go to that war back then. Sion was too dead to even care about that ware cause his reincarnation was recent? One thing is certain tho, a relative to the new champion. Sett's father, and it was during THAT Noxian invasion when he had met up with Sett's Vastayan mother.
> Darius and Draven were too young to go to that war back then. That's wrong, first of all we know for a fact that at least Darius was there because it is shown [on his comic](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/comic/darius/bloodofnoxus/): https://universe-comics.leagueoflegends.com/comics/en_us/darius/bloodofnoxus/desktop/darius-01-20.jpg?v=fd51e752cd80f990882c105ac51c3ead (The retreat on the comic wasnt 7 years ago because Darius and his troops were called to the Freljord before the end of the war, [as said on his bio](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/champion/darius/)) Second, they were not too young, [Draven is 32 currently](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1205526793299456000), which means he was 20 when the war started with Darius being 2-4 years older. Sett was born [long before the war](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1205528547382546432)(ignore the 15 years ago thing, if you scroll down he corrects himself) by the way, the war began 12 years ago as stated on [Ionia page](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/region/ionia/). Mentioning the comic again, you can see how they looked 22 years ago to know and it fits them being around 32 and 36: https://universe-comics.leagueoflegends.com/comics/en_us/darius/bloodofnoxus/desktop/darius-01-04.jpg?v=0f51313e88d9fb8035ec81366081081a
: I enjoyed it. I like the fact that they didn't go with "the betrothed was tragically murdered" route. It was cool to see some of Jhin's "art" this time. However, Jhin's escape seems to be born of pure coincidence for the story's sake which kind of bothered me. Zed has a limited dash range? Zed has to be not tired to dash? Jhin knew both these facts? Jhin can match Zed's sprinting speed? There was no way to chase down/keep track of a little dinghy on still waters?
Yeah I didnt really like his escape, and the worst part to me is that it would be easy af to solve. Just make Jhin add a trap on the tree on the ground so Zed is temporarily imobilized while running giving Jhin time and it would makes way more sense.
: Yeah the cabal that released him is a part of Ionia's criminal underworld. They released Jhin to use him as a weapon against the enemies of Ionia. Unfortunately he really doesn't give a shit about what the cabal wants. He's only just barely going along with it so that they don't send him back to prison/kill him.
> They released Jhin to use him as a weapon against the enemies of Ionia. To be clear here, it isnt only the enemies of Ionia, but the enemies of the cabal itself, which also implies Ionians a lot of time, since Ionia is currently on a civil war. About the amount of casualities, which was actually said that this cabal wants it to be that high because Jhin is meant to send a message, "If you do like those people not only you die but all those people you love and what you fought for is destroyed".
: What I'm mostly curious about is who the Champions that are going to be involved are. I'm assuming it's mainly Bilgewater/Shadow Isles Champions, but they didn't specify it, so... Is it possible for non-Bilgewater Champions to get involved with this too? I'm also pretty excited for Convergence. The trailer looked extremely promising, and I like Ekko, so seeing what story he's involved in will be awesome.
> Is it possible for non-Bilgewater Champions to get involved with this too? They said they will continue Burning Tides, and what happens immeditaley after Burning Tides in the lore is Shadow and Fortune, which does involve both SI and Bilgewater. That could means Lucian and Olaf will appear. While this isnt much diversity, princiaplly because Lucian is almost a SI champion at this point, it's still some good new possibilities.
King Lego (EUNE)
: Most likely trying to fight Varus and regain control of the body and eliminate Varus for good. IIRC, whenever Varus kills, the 2 gay dude's will to fight becomes stronger so he's forced to avoid killing to keep them at bay and wonder freely without much of a struggle. I doubt Varus is acting like a 5 stars hotel for Valmar and Kai. For a Darkin being, I'm guessing he's as bad as being stuck in Thresh's lantern.
> IIRC, whenever Varus kills, the 2 gay dude's will to fight becomes stronger so he's forced to avoid killing to keep them at bay and wonder freely without much of a struggle. It depends, if he kills disarmed/defenseless people their will becomes stronger. But when he kills people who can fight him off(not necessarily have a chance to win), Varus gains more control. > In seconds it was over. Sixteen dead, and he hadn’t even broken a sweat. He felt the anguish of Valmar and Kai within him, and grinned. **Every death gnawed at them, weakened them, and made them less able to fight him.** > > The men excavating the ruined city fled, throwing down their tools and running for the river. Varus let them go. They were an irrelevance, and **the killing of mortals without weapons always provoked the two souls within him to greater rebellion.** From his color story
Arakadia (NA)
: Corpse skin would have been cooler but Riot didn’t want to threaten her sex appeal.
Yeah, if we were being _really_ loyal to the lore, I'm unsure if she even should have hair, even though that ight lose the "She's still a human" thing they wanted to sell(which I dont think would be lost by making her unnaturally pale, no one thinks Jinx is a Voidborn right?)
Kazekiba (NA)
: She's a highly educated, verbose and very athletic girl who was supposed to be trapped in a cave on the edge of Hell since she was 8 years old. Her father traveled the world collecting artifacts with the specific function of enabling his *existence* in the void if even for moments. He was still warped and corrupted. Malzahar communed with the void psychically and was not just physically altered, mentally destroyed and his human essence erased and now he's a lunatic puppet of the Void using his powers to literally erase entire cities into the very same void that Kai'sa should have been trapped in. And she came out a fucking Parisian model. Discounting literally every other failure of logic or internal consistency... She's from Shurima right? Why is she so pale?
> Discounting literally every other failure of logic or internal consistency... She's from Shurima right? > Why is she so pale? Actually she should be _paler_. The "leaked" story Monstrous describes her skin as that of a corpse due to being feed by a Voidborn and not entering in contact with sunlight for years.
: 2019 Lore Tournament - Day 2: The Winterspike Road vs The Final Reign
I will be honest here, I really like Darius as a characther, but his color story was a let down for me, I think there could be better ways to show his charactherization and, at least to me, the story didnt show much of Darius as a characther. Meanwhile with The Final Reign, the writing was very good to me, it had shown Mordekaiser characther and represented him very well. Well that was very basic and I dont think I properly explained my reasons, but yeah, my vote goes to Final Reign.
: I like how "The order of the shadows" is a now a small travelling task force
To be fair, those are specific people accompanying Zed which are far from being actual representatives of the whole order. They're probally some of the most powerful ones as well, so it's likely that they work in smaller numbers than the weaker acolytes. As an example, on Xayah and Rakan color story there was a fortrees with around 40 acolytes of the Order of Shadows serving as guards and the most notable shadow magic mentioned on the story was souls being infused into weapons, no shadow clones, limbs or anything(or at least if one them used it, it wasnt mentioned) . That was just one fortress and with the traning "ladder" mentioned by Odin on [this post](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/W1EZP97f-zeds-order-of-shadows-lore-question-for-the-story-team?comment=0001): > Zed is the master-- Kayn is his second in command. Lower level students mostly learn from mid tier students, mid tier learn from high tier, high tier from Kayn and Zed personally. I would say that while their numbers are probally below 1.000, it's likely they still on the hundreds. > There was this one instance in a tavern that one of his followers did not know the concept of money because he was raised as a warrior from childhood and made threats to the bartender stuff for free food. Zed calmly orders the man to be set free. It does gives us insight the Kinkou order was one messed up organization. I'm not sure I would word it as not having the concept of money. They're mercenaries, he should know about money and trade. I think it was more about feeling that he did more to Ionia than any other peasent who would pay them, and therefore should get free stuff as a kind of "thanks" from Ionians for even being alive. He feels like a war hero and a defender of the nation and thinks that everyone should treat him as above them for the role he plays. Also did you mean Order of Shadows on that last line? I dont see how that event makes the Kinkou Order "messed up".
UomoAfide (EUW)
: Uh... so this means the current map is mostly showing the boreal emisphere of Runeterra?
Yeah, and since we were told we have seen 1/6 of Runeterra, it should be around 1/3 of the northen hemisphere. Now I might be wrong here so dont hold my word on it, but I think on irl terms, 1/3 of the northen hemisphere would be around Europe, a bit of eatern Asia and part of northen Africa. I'm not really good at geography so dont take the irl comparison as fact, it's just a guess.
: This isn't very important, but if someone put a gun to my head and demanded I guess... My guess would be the southern part of Shurima. Skin color came about in our world because of climate; darker skin colors came from closer to the equator (where the sun would be hottest and brightest during the summer). We don't know exactly where the equator would be on Runeterra, but we know that Qiyana is part of a long-lived royal line in Ixtal, meaning she's the most likely to have a skin tone indicative of her homeland. Her skin tone is Arab/Indian, perhaps mesoamerican (in fact that's probably what she's meant to be given Ixtal's aesthetic). Meaning that she'd be near (but not quite AT) the center. Go further south (I sincerely doubt that it's further north, where you go into mostly white territory before you hit the Freljord) and you get southern Shurima.
Actually we got confirmation that the Equator byssects Icathia so your guess is right. Unfortunately I can't give the source right now.
: Where do black people like Lucian, Ekko, Pyke and Senna originate from on Runeterra?
Champions are meant to be the exceptions and compared to the grander population of Runeterra they're a very small represetation of their respective nations, so only those champions being dark skinned doesnt mean their regions is the only place with dark skinned people. The place where they originate is most likely Shurima. Something worth mentioning that I dont think anyone here said yet. The Darkin Wars could be a huge factor on ancient miscegenation. The Darkin armies at the start of the war were mainly made of Shurimans at the start, since that's the only place they could get soldiers, then later on they had soldiers from the nations they conquered, that probally means that at this time the races from those two continents mixed a lot and Noxus and Demacia are made up from the descendants of the remanents of those armies that survived the rebellion(and some other nations that were able to resist the Darkin, which would probally be the less miscegenated). Also the lack of dark skinned people on Freljord could be because of the same reason, Freljord and Ionia are the lands furthest away from Shurima, so the Darkins would have to march a lot to get there and since Freljord is a very hard place to survive, conquering it wouldnt be as attractable as conquering the rest of Valoran. Piltover/Zaun, a city originally Shuriman, could also be a factor, since it being a trade hub would means that many people from there could end up travelling to other regions.
: > [{quoted}](name=Atgo,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=G8gEU3hq,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-28T01:04:53.656+0000) > > It doesnt, Ixtal was founded by people who migrated from unknown lands in the east, same as Blessed Isles, Buhru and Mount Targon. going by the timeline on the book, there were already humans in Valoran and Ionia before that migration(War of the Three Sisters was 2000 years before and the Titan War on Ionia 3000 years before) and considering the oldest event of the timeline is set on Ionia and that it is called "the First Lands", it's more likely that humanity originated there. Well i dont own the book, but its fair enough to say that Ionia is the origin, in fact i said that long time ago in a similar thread... But then it came the lore of Ixtal saying that All the targonians and shuriman things were based on Ixtal or something like that.
That's not what's said. You're confusing the words. It says: >In truth, Ixtali culture is much older—**part of** the great westward diaspora that gave rise to civilizations including the Buhru, magnificent Helia, and the ascetics of Targon But that doesn't means that Ixtal founded those places it just seems it was founded by the same imigrants that founded those other places. Afterall it was a westward diaspora and you can't go to Buhru or the Blessed Isles from Ixtal while going west, unless they passed though the entire circumference of the northern hemisphere(which is 3 times bigger than what we see on the map, to be clear the equator byssects Icathia).
: If i remember correctly, the whole human race in Runeterra originates from Ixtal... but i could be wrong.
It doesnt, Ixtal was founded by people who migrated from unknown lands in the east, same as Blessed Isles, Buhru and Mount Targon. going by the timeline on the book, there were already humans in Valoran and Ionia before that migration(War of the Three Sisters was 2000 years before and the Titan War on Ionia 3000 years before) and considering the oldest event of the timeline is set on Ionia and that it is called "the First Lands", it's more likely that humanity originated there.
: And you wonder why people mistake you for a Rioter xD
A Rioter using another Rioter's quote as proof lol
tamaya (NA)
: Will YasuoxRiven become a canon couple?
Soraka isnt their daugther in a literal sense, according her short bio, it's more metaphysical, she was "born" when Yasuo killed Riven, not when they banged . You can read the skin's short bio on the PBE client. And also, Riven future arc is probally leading her back to Noxus while Yasuo has to forgive himself and is on a lonely journey to do so, and they're not even on the same place, Riven should have stayed in the village until _something_ happened and Yasuo left the village after Confessions. Dont really makes any sense for them to be together.
: No space? I can't keep up with our crazy lore XD There must be space though, because there's a sun and a moon and comets, shooting stars, meteors... whoever said there's no space is making things very hard for themselves. Reality doesn't work on a fundamental level without space. Neil deGrasse Tyson would be ashamed. To answer your question Interlocutioner informs me that the moon exists in both the material and spirit realm, and in that way is very special indeed.
Just saying there's no space is kinda misleading. There _is_ space, it just isnt part of the same plane of existence as Runeterra. Those things you said, sun, moon, comets, shooting stars and meteors, they exist, but they're on the celestial realm. There isnt a space like we understand it irl, rather they are _something_ in the celestial realm(that can include a lot of things, including Aspects, Aspect of War/Pantheon was literally a constellation) and are seen in the physical realm as objects in the night sky. That's probally why Interlocutioner said the Moon existing in the physical and spiritual realms is special btw, other celestial objects probally exist only on the celestial realm, so being part of Runeterra instead of only the celestial realm makes the Moon special. And who needs Neil deGrasse Tyson when you have World Runes shaping reality? Here are some quotes reinforcing that idea btw > An age ago, when time itself was young, the inhabitants of the celestial realm regarded the fledgling races of Runeterra with growing concern. > > These creatures deviated wildly, unpredictably, and dangerously from the great designs intended for them by those above. The guidance and fates that had been woven into the night sky often went unseen... Soraka bio > The Darkin’s god-killing blade was driven into Pantheon’s chest, a blow that carved the constellation of War from the heavens. Pantheon bio > And though I am broken, and though the god is dead, I feel the power ignite once more in my spear, as the plume on my helm bursts alight. It is calling me to battle, as the Ra’Horak cast their spears once more. > > And, for a moment, a star lost with the Constellation of War gleams brighter than the sun. For Those Who Have Fallen > The celestial realm is not space. There is only one world in the setting, and that is Runeterra. > > The Void is un-creation, and the celestial realm is creation. Mortals can't truly comprehend either, because we exist between them. > If you go "up" from the surface of Runeterra, you will not leave the atmosphere and enter an empty vacuum. It is a world, but not a "planet". > > Imagine the way folks thought about our world in the 15th and 16th centuries. It's like that (Except they were wrong, and this isn't!) https://twitter.com/lauriegoulding/status/1172912381875249152?s=21
: > [{quoted}](name=Atgo,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=mu3WeT5y,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-23T13:02:17.983+0000) > > I will be honest here, I heavily dislike the Garen x Katarina ship and I think they should give more focus on each region internal affairs before they do big interactions between regions and their champs. They dont even need to necessarily conclude the internal plot lines, I justthink they havent advanced enough(while this applies to both Demacia and Noxus it's more for Noxus). So I wouldnt want Katarina x Garen to ever happen or Garen and Darius meeting before both of them gets more stories developing their own regions. > > However with that said, you're gonna probally get those things soon enough. The new Sylas story has set up the Winter's Claw to attack Demacia and guess what? by his color story Darius was fighting the Winter's Claw recently, which would means that if the Winter's Claw suddenly decides to take most of the forces towards Demacia, Noxus's most important and proeminent military commander will know it. > > Add that with Noxian spies on Demacia giving news about the mage rebellion and it seems Demacia(maybe allied with Avarosans) vs Sylas + Winter's Claw vs Noxus is the next plot line being prepared for those regions and it will likely include Katarina x Garen and Garen vs Darius. Katarina is no difference than a battle partner like Darius or others to Garen, I think riot is just trying to aviod garen's gay ship and so they promote Katarina x Garen. If you know what I mean...
~~Garen never should date Taric but I would like Garen getting friendzoned.~~
: Two lore stories I want to see one day:
I will be honest here, I heavily dislike the Garen x Katarina ship and I think they should give more focus on each region internal affairs before they do big interactions between regions and their champs. They dont even need to necessarily conclude the internal plot lines, I justthink they havent advanced enough(while this applies to both Demacia and Noxus it's more for Noxus). So I wouldnt want Katarina x Garen to ever happen or Garen and Darius meeting before both of them gets more stories developing their own regions. However with that said, you're gonna probally get those things soon enough. The new Sylas story has set up the Winter's Claw to attack Demacia and guess what? by his color story Darius was fighting the Winter's Claw recently, which would means that if the Winter's Claw suddenly decides to take most of the forces towards Demacia, Noxus's most important and proeminent military commander will know it. Add that with Noxian spies on Demacia giving news about the mage rebellion and it seems Demacia(maybe allied with Avarosans) vs Sylas + Winter's Claw vs Noxus is the next plot line being prepared for those regions and it will likely include Katarina x Garen and Garen vs Darius.
: You mean Darius, not Draven, but otherwise correct (although I'm sure Draven likes to think of it this way). Edit: my mistake, someone already addressed this.
> He was growing weary of endless wars of attrition, and returned to Noxus to demand a reconsolidation of the military. > > He marched his veterans into the capital, only to find that the emperor was dead, killed in a coup led by Jericho Swain. The act had been supported by many allies, including Darius’s own brother, Draven. From Darius bio, he didnt help in the coup, he wasnt even there when it happened.
WeAreDuo (NA)
: After reading this, I'm really just wondering why the partnership with Marvel was even necessary at all. The art is bland, the panel layouts are weird and it's been like that for all these comics when I'm certain Riot has the resources to put out more quality content than this in-house... I was happy about the partnership at first because league was getting a chance to appeal to a mainstream market but I'd much rather "RIOT COMICS" than "MARVEL COMICS" at this point. I feel so disappointed :/
Actually I dont think Marvel is related with the art. The deal was that Riot would make the comics and Marvel would publish and distribuate it. I could be wrong but to my knowledge, Marvel is comepletly unrelated to the art.
: Jhin ain't fucked up so far. Normal arm, no unmasking. I like it. A point on his art, though, they probably went with the... Tamest option, that they could think of. Idk what level of blood and gore was present in the other comics, but they are, unfortunately, probably trying to keep it as "safe" for viewers of a T+ age group as they possibly can. That, unfortunately, involves nerfing Jhin's art to make it more... Suitable, for a wider audience. We have other examples of Jhin's art, though. His scrapped color story, his teaser "Mind of the Virtuoso", and Awaken. He does far more than just flowers, and we know that for a fact. Flowers are likely his go-to thing when interacting with Zed and Shen because he probably knows that's the first thing they ever saw. He's purposefully tormenting them over and over again by constantly reminding them of that day.
I dont think the comic actually showed the most important pieces of the perfomance at all, what we saw was the _audience_, they were there to watch the true piece, what Jhin did to them was just a bonus. You can even notice that by the lady who went crazy saying her _face _ turned into a flower, that didnt happen to anyone on front of the house. That said, I dont actually think we will see Jhin's real art, they will probally keep it a mystery, not only for avoiding dissapointment but also to keep T+ age as you mentioned.
: Pretty damn confident Cassio's trek into Shurima was of her and her mother's own decision just to test if the rumors of god-warriors were true, but otherwise it was a gamble over what exactly they'd uncover. Yes both women are acolytes to the Black Rose but that doesnt guarante the cabal was even aware of what the Du Couteau's were searching, or that the cabal would orchestrate what ended up happening. Which would be such a contrived plot device. I highly doubt the Black Rose initially had much idea nor cared about the ancient empire and whatever scarce knowledge remains of its history, until after Cassio contacted them. Which for LeBlanc would be a surprising turn of events.
While I doubt the BR planned Azir rising again, Cassiopeia and Soreana were doing their stuff in Shurima for the BR, they did the expedition to the capital on their own, but it wasnt a completly change of plans, they just speed up things. Their bio implies the BR wanted to get to Shurima for a long time: > Having guided the empire for centuries, they had **finally managed** to spread their influence into Shurima. This bit basically confirms the BR was wanting somethign in Shurima: > Only then was Cassiopeia made privy to** the cabal’s broader plan for Shurima**. Using her family’s tremendous resources, she undertook a number of expeditions into the deep desert, raiding ancient ruins with the help of a local mercenary named Sivir. This is also important because it shows that Cassiopeia had actually been searching for things in Shurima for a long time before she went to the capital. > **Her efforts were made all the more urgent** when word reached Urzeris from the capital. Grand General Boram Darkwill had been deposed by Jericho Swain, and a number of noble houses had chosen to honor this coup… including Du Couteau. > > Outraged and disgusted by her husband’s betrayal, and **fearing that all members of the Black Rose were now in jeopardy, Soreana became desperate. **She dispatched Cassiopeia to seek out the** godlike power that had been the key to Shurima’s supremacy in ages past.** Cassiopeia swore she would return with **a weapon ready for the looming secret war**, or not at all. ________________ > It was not the Ascension she had hoped for, but Cassiopeia had unearthed the magic of dead Shuriman gods. She would **turn it to the schemes of the Black Rose just as she and her mother had planned**, and she could feel this power growing within her, day by day. Those quotes clearly shows the expedition to the capital was still a part of BR plans, they needed more preparation and acted on their own, but the entire act was meant to get power for the BR. The third bit I destacated also implies that they had knowledge of the Shuriman empire, which makes sense, the BR has some extremly ancient members and one of them served an Ascended in life({{champion:8}}), they have been searching for powerful magic and the knowledge needed to find and use it for centuries, getting knowledge about Shurima would be inevitable. So yeah, while it's unlikely Azir coming back was planned by anyone, the Black Rose definetly knew about Imperial Shurima ancient powers and were planning to get it for themselves.
EdgeLady (NA)
: I believe the novella will come after the Zed comic. If I'm not mistaken, I think the Zed comic was originally set to release late this year in its entirety, but now, I think it will either start this year and go into 2020 or be entirely in 2020 (someone clarify this for me). The same is probably true of the novella; it'll be in 2020 now. **And maybe we'll finally get some Sona lore with it.** {{sticker:sona-playing}}
The first issue is releasing 20th of this month, next wednesday, so part of it will be in 2020 and two issues this year. However I dont think they were going to release it all this year. Apparently it was meant to start releasing past month but wasnt because of Realms of Runeterra, but even then it would be 3 months for 6 issues. Unless they started releasing it together with Lux comic or made two issues per month, both of which are very unlikely, part of it would inevitably be in 2020. That said, I dunno why it's so late, I dont think it's related to Zed comic but beyond maybe RoR slowing down the patch I dont know why it's taking so long.
: How does Yordle glamour work exactly?
Yordles glamour is a passive effect. They're apparently born with it and cant "shut it down". Kled and Tristana used it in their color stories even not wanting to > The man took a step forward and said, “Many thanks, old one, but we are not hungry.” > > “Old one?” said Tristana with a playfully indignant grin. “I’m a young slip of a girl!” > > The man blinked and she saw what might have been a look of puzzlement cross his face. > > “The old crone’s insane,” said the woman, looking sidelong at her, as if not quite sure what to make of what she was seeing. Whatever it was, it certainly wasn’t her true form… > >... > > “I told you, I’m not old,” said Tristana. “I’m actually pretty young for a Yordle.” > > The man’s mouth dropped open in surprise as something of her true nature became apparent to him. Tristana color story > “You and your pony best be moving on, while you still can.” > > I forget sometimes humans don’t see us like we see them. It’s the last straw though. About Heimerdinger device, I dont think it was a glamour proper, I think it was meant to estabilize the glamour. Glamour doesnt necessarily makes the Yordle look the same for _everyone_ and in a city as Piltover, if they're on a shop, wouldnt people eventually find it very weird how every one who goes to the shop describes the two people working there sligthly different? To use an example, on Poppy color story, I find it possible that at first the girl saw Poppy taller than her father saw, but after her father stated a height, it affected the Glamour and without the girl noticing, she saw Poppy smaller than before. I think Heimerdinger device was made so the glamour could remain on a single form, so people in Piltover wouldnt find the shop suspicious. That isnt necessary to Yordles contanstly traveling around like Poppy, but if you're on a fixated location and create, even if a small one, reputation there, the "normal" glamour may not be able to mask your indentity completly.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Maybe its planned to be the name for future series too? Like this one might be Arcane season 1 and season 2 would then look at different champions.
That's probably it. Seems even more likely when they have already confirmed that another season is possible.
FSRER (EUNE)
: I don't understand why Noxus did not take the chance to attack and heavily damage Demacia with Sylas having created a war inside the walls of Demacia. Noxus has spies in Demacia (and I believe the Black Rose killed J3 but that is just me) and since they probably knew what was going on, couldn't they form an army and attack them? Plot hole here
Information and armies take time to move. The most recent story with any time stamp after the rebellion happens just 1 month after Sylas broke out. We were told a _small_ army would take 3 months to go from the Immortal Bastion to Demacian capital in a straight line without any obstacles. In a real situation with an army strong enough to do any damage it would be much longer. And it's extremely unlikely that just the armies on the borders close to Demacia would be enough to pass though their big walls and mountains in the east without being targeted. Demacia may be in civil war but they're still have one of the most defensible positions on Runeterra. Runeterra doesn't have modern world means of travel or information for something that happened so recently to have an impact on other places. And big military engagements take way more time to be planned and realized than the time it would take just for the news to reach Noxus. This could happen at some point, but it's too soon for now.
: > [{quoted}](name=modulo matrix,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=NJ9i8Eat,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-10T02:30:29.429+0000) > > Thank you! Your answer is very helpful. > > One question, did Noxian have a battle against Shurima when they invaded a part of Shurima? Or did Noxus just take a part of Shurima since Shurima wasn't fully rebuilt? The Universe Page says that those parts of Shurima "were voluntarily assimilated into the (Noxian) empire." so i guess that Noxus just took a part of Shurima since Azir was not there back then.
Only *some* cities entered voluntarily. Bel'Zhun for example seems to have fought back, if you look at the Medarda map the leader with a Shuriman name had his name cut off and replaced by a noxian one and there rebels called "Sun of Bel'Zhun" there, unlike some other cities where the Shuriman ruler simply had their titles changed to "Steward". This implies that Bel"zhun fought back and had their leader replaced by a noxian one where the cities that joined Noxus voluntarily remained with the same leader. Also Swain bio says this: > Swain’s own reputation was secured in Shurima, where his forces raised countless noxtoraa above the desert sands. And Cassiopeia bio say this: > A hero of Noxus’ expansion into Shurima, General Du Couteau... It would be extremly weird to two military leaders have their reputations secured on a land where _every_ city had joined willingly. So it's safe to assume some of them must have fought back.
: Will Noxus attack Freljord or Shurima?
The incursions in Shurima happened long ago and didnt seem to get any continuation since. And going by Cassioepeia bio were likely guided by the BR, who had Darkwill as their puppet at the time. However, Darius stopped the Freljord campaign just because he didnt have the tropps and supplies to keep fighting, he didnt continue the campaign when he returned because of his new place in the Trifarix and so he could realocate the troops. However we have seen [in his color story ](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/darius-color-story/) that he has returned to the Freljord recently, looking to reclaim territory lot during the first campaign. So yeah the invasion in Freljord is still going on while the Shuriman one seems to have stopped long ago. However with the news about Azir rise, which started to spread around the same time when Swain estabilished the Trifarix, there's probally noxian plans for Shurima, or at least they will have a careful eye upon it. But I dont think they're going for an actual invasion for now, at least not while they dont have a chance to do something revelant, which is kinda hard on the current Azir vs Xerath layout. Also, we have actually seen other instances of Freljordians fighting Noxians since the estabilishment of the Trifarix while the same cant be said about Shurima: > Ashe cheered with the others when the Red Snows recounted the defeat of the **Noxian warbands that had tried to advance inland from the coast**. The Harder Way - Ashe color story > They were able to fend off other raiding tribes, slay the great beasts of the mountains, and repel **Noxians encroaching to the south**. Tryndamere bio(this one can be argued to be during the first invasion but still) > Now, as the seasons turn, Sejuani marches on the southern tribes, **Noxian interlopers**... Sejuani bio And Daruis color story as I mentioned before.
: Most of these I can agree on. Void, space entities, Darkin, Mordekaiser, Black Mist, world runes... I can see these all as the big evils for their world. But I am not sure about 2 you mentioned here. 1. Demons. Demons depend on humanity, since it is their prey. I would assume that demons want to live as well and if their food disappears from existence, so would they. Demons are a threat for individuals, but I doubt that they are a threat that could end up in ending humanity. 2. Yordles. As far as I am aware of, we have no evidence in the lore that yordles are really a threat for the world of Runeterra. The only yordles I can think of who are kinda opposed to humans are Rumble and Kled. But these 2 are definitely not a major threat for humanity.
> Demons. Demons depend on humanity, since it is their prey. I would assume that demons want to live as well and if their food disappears from existence, so would they. Demons are a threat for individuals, but I doubt that they are a threat that could end up in ending humanity. While they would not want to end humanity, I'm pretty sure a world ruled by demons where every human is born simply to sate demons' hunger could be considered a apocalypitic threat. However I will agree here that demons are extremly unlikely to unite in a single goal like this, and even if some do, the most powerful ones or a number big enough to make a differenced would be something extremly hard to happen. Riot could pull off a plot like that but it would need a lot of reasons and development to happen. That said, I did think on the possibility of Fiddlesticks actually being a herald of a legion of demons. But not demons as powerful as our champions. Demons so weak they cant even manifest in the physical realm. Not without help. In my idea Fiddlesticks would be causing human suffering so those demons could strengthen themselves to manifest and slowly grow into a giant legion of demons. They would start small, some random houses being destroyed and people dissapearing. But as years and years passed on, the once lonely scarecrow sometimes involved in those dissapearences would be seen with savage crows tearing flesh apart, and sometimes, much worse creatures. Continuently growing into a bigger and bigger threat. But I dont really think they're going with this idea for him and it would take quite some time for this to grow into a apocalitypic threat.
: I can't wait to see how this all is connected. My own theory is that Warwick was running a bar after his criminal career and possible was the one who made Vi quit being a criminal, too. Teaching her that crime does not pay off, he knows, since he has done it himself. That this is becoming a series featuring Caitlyn, Jinx, Vi, Warwick, and possibly many others like Camille and Singed, is a dream coming true for me. I was speculating about all this stuff and how they could all be tied together and we will **finally** get to know it! Thank you so much for this gem, Riot!
> My own theory is that Warwick was running a bar after his criminal career and possible was the one who made Vi quit being a criminal, too. Teaching her that crime does not pay off, he knows, since he has done it himself. While this one didnt make her quit being a criminal(or he did but it's not mentioned, Vi bio after the attack to the Factorywood Fiends is mysterious) there's actually a barman in Vi's lore: > She found a mentor in the owner of a bar on the edge of the Lanes, who tempered some of her more self-destructive tendencies. He tried to reinforce her moral code, and showed her how to fight with discipline, as well as teaching her ways to better direct her simmering anger.
Shmeeve (NA)
: You know what would be very interesting to see in this show? Urgot.
Urgot is unlikely to appear. He was sent to Zaun around 7 years ago when Swain did his coup, and going by Vi and Jinx looks, it seems this series are set some years before that so. And even then, some years after the coup he was just a random slave miner. Relatively him taking over the mine and then blowing it up should be relatively recent.
Kazekiba (NA)
: The only name I see for it is "Realm of Death". Feel free to copy paste the full tooltip though, I don't play Morde so I haven't memorized it nor his voicelines if he says 'Mitna Rachnun' at some point
Dunno about the VO, didnt hear the entirety of it yet. His color story mentions it though: > [Mitna Rachnun, his Afterworld, is complete. ](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/mordekaiser-color-story/)
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