: Remove autofill from ranked.
That's simply not going to happen, as much as we might want it to. Autofill exists to ensure that queue times aren't absolutely hell to wait through. I've played multiplayer role-based games without an autofill function, and waits are usually averaged out at about 5 minutes. So unless you want to sit for five minutes or more waiting for a match, only for someone to dodge and make you wait five more, autofill is gonna stick around.
Fishyvaj (NA)
: LEAGUE CLASSIC GAME MODE FOR A LIMITED TIME
That actually seems like it would be an interesting idea! But it would be a pain in the ass to create. More than likely, it would just have to be it's own seperate thing, kind of like WoW Classic. Because they'd have to remake and reprogram all of the old champion designs, of which there's a LOT.
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: Join Us Oct. 15th to Celebrate 10 Years of League
I'm not a fan of this logo either. While old, the current logo still has a distinct personality to it, a recognizable silhouette. Instead of changing the logo entirely, you guys should focus on 'modernizing' the logo that you already have.
: > I don't know why. Maybe they just don't want to see how bad this community has gotten. Maybe they don't want to know. Maybe the community doesn't WANT to be fixed. And here's the crux of your problem. You're so hyperfocused on what everyone else is doing that you're attributing made-up explanations to something simple.
These explanations are a baseline and ameteur opinion based on my limited experience in the field of Psychology. These aren't opinions I'm making up, they're genuine examples of what MIGHT be going on that have a basis in Psychology. As stated above, people tend to just actively ignore stuff they don't want to see, ie toxic players. And that can morph to finding fault in people that don't also just ignore them.
Hotarµ (NA)
: >People keep downvoting my posts. I don't know why. Maybe they just don't want to see how bad this community has gotten. Maybe they don't want to know. Maybe the community doesn't WANT to be fixed. Probably because your posts aren't offering any solutions or providing new information. Yes, the community sucks sometimes and there are a lot of rude people playing this game. Some skirt by without punishment even though they exhibit blatant rulebreaking behavior, it happens with every game, every report system, every community. It's just a sad reality. However, the majority of all games are not that bad, you're letting the loud vocal minority speak over the neutral and positive majority. We know the community can be off sometimes, there's no easy solution to that unfortunately. >The report system is quite literally the ONLY thing in place to keep toxic players from getting away with being toxic, but they keep getting away with it anyway, because of the pattern of ganging up on one person on the team, usually the one not being toxic, and any time they call for their clearly abusive teammates to be reported... the victim gets reported instead. For something like 'inting'. Or 'giving up'. And the toxic players get off scott free because they just don't report eachother. Ever. The toxic players outnumber those of us who just want to have fun. **_*~~1~~*_** - Multiple reports do not increase the likelihood of a player receiving punishment. **_*~~2~~*_** - A player will not receive punishment unless they themselves have broken the rules. **_*~~3~~*_** - A single player's report is worth the same as nine, meaning nobody should get off "scott free" if you're reporting them with the correct options. Even then, there's no way to verify if someone escaped punishment as: errors can occur, punishments can take time to be doled out, the IFS message is inconsistent, different people can be on different stages of the punishment ladder, and people can stop playing at any time for any reason. >And now, because of the people that play it... it's starting to become my most hated. The tragic thing is, i can't stop playing, because I keep thinking 'maybe this time I'll finally be able to play with decent human beings'. And I shouldn't have to think like that. Not saying you're to blame for any toxicity you encounter, but there are some proactive measures you can take to improve your experience. Play with friends. Find non-toxic players through social media like Facebook or gaming apps like Discord. Mute ally and enemy chat. If you go into _every_ game expecting to have an enjoyable experience, you're setting yourself up for failure. This is true for every game. > But people are just so used to the toxic community, that if someone speaks out against it, it's THEIR fault for not hitting the mute button. And they ignore the fact that I shouldn't HAVE to hit the mute button. Again, loud vocal minority. The majority of the playerbase does not agree with (or really care about) toxicity in any way, shape, or form. No sensible person is going to blame you for muting toxic players, ironically it's **going to be the toxic players that blame you for muting toxic players. **
> The majority of the playerbase does not agree with (or really care about) toxicity in any way, shape, or form. No sensible person is going to blame you for muting toxic players, ironically it's going to be the toxic players that blame you for muting toxic players. That. Right there. That's the problem. People don't care. And when people don't care, they just aren't going to do much about it.
: There's an inherent problem with this community and how Riot handles it (read; they don't, or whatever they ARE doing isn't working). Case in point? I've periodically checked the Red Tracker over the past few weeks. Not a single Rioter has posted in anything under Player Behavior. I could be reading it wrong, but to me, that says that they don't care. And if I think that, then I guarantee I'm not the only one that does. Riot needs to start buckling down on the festering rot in this community. And if they are, then they need to open a much more direct line of communication to assure players that they genuinely DO care about this community, and are trying to do something about it.
As for you last point... that's a problem. It means that a super toxic player can report someone they've been effectively bullying the whole match, and if the victim ever ONCE lashed out in frustration or did anything that sets off the IFS... poof. A victim was just punished for being a victim.
: > People keep downvoting my posts. I don't know why. Well, let's start with the most basic reason; because, in essence, your threads provide very little discussion value, if any. All you're doing is making periodic posts saying "I just had a match with bad players", with a vague call for Riot to "step up their anti-toxicity measures", and little else. While there is potential value in discussing how negative behavior affects you and how you can mitigate those effects, the discussion value diminishes when it becomes a case of simply ranting about other people's negative behavior - which is what this has become, at this point. And we do have a [subboard for that](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/rant). Then, of course, there's the issue of spamming; when you initially started doing these posts, you made one post, then another the very next day, and then a third in just under a week from the second one. Making posts with minimal discussion value is one thing, but doing the same thing over and over - especially within a short timeframe - that's spamming, which is against the [Boards Universal Rules](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/ITFIpNUE). People, consequently, probably downvote because they don't come to _Player Behavior_ for the daily/weekly update of "matches I had that sucked because of toxicity" - this is a subboard meant for discussing player behavior and the player behavior-related systems, and, while yes, there is at least a modicum of value in discussing other people's behavior, it's ultimately pointless because those people are neither here nor there. And, you might say; "but wait, I am discussing player behavior related issues", to which I have to say, with all due respect; you're not. You're saying "I dealt with toxic people, Riot, _fix this_." You're not offering suggestions for how Riot could fix the community, you're not offering suggestions for how the system could be better tuned to handle toxicity, you're just saying "Riot needs to fix this." That's not a discussion. And another reason you might be getting downvoted is because of strawman arguments against people over downvotes. > Maybe they just don't want to see how bad this community has gotten. Maybe they don't want to know. Maybe the community doesn't WANT to be fixed. We _already_ see how bad the community is; we see people posting their chat logs littered with negativity and toxicity _daily_. We know full-well how bad people can be, and we _do_ want to see the community improve - but we know we can't accomplish anything by just pointing to bad matches and saying "fix it". You also have some misconceptions about the system, as well as some problems that could very easily be solved; > Easily abusable reports... The reports are not "easily abusable". Reports only trigger a review, and have no bearing on the outcome of the review. If you get punished, it's not because the reports were abused, but because _you broke the rules_. > ...but they keep getting away with it anyway, because of the pattern of ganging up on one person on the team, usually the one not being toxic, and any time they call for their clearly abusive teammates to be reported... If a teammate is breaking the rules, **there is zero benefit to calling for them to be reported.** Report-rallying does **nothing**. The IFS doesn't care how many reports are filed, it simply checks if any amount of reports higher than zero are filed, at which point it reviews the player's behavior, and punishes accordingly. If people are ganging up on you, **mute them, report them, and move on.** Report rallying serves no benefit at the cost of opening you up to be reported, due to report-rallying being a form of harassment. > the victim gets reported instead. For something like 'inting'. Or 'giving up'. If you get reported for intentionally feeding, but don't feed, you won't get punished. If you get reported for negative attitude, but aren't negative/defeatist/etc., you won't get punished. If you don't break the rules, you won't ever be punished, no matter what reports people file against you. > And the toxic players get off scott free because they just don't report eachother. Ever. And this can easily be solved by **_reporting the toxic players yourself._** Don't call for reports, don't threaten reports, just **do it**. 'Cause like I said earlier, the IFS doesn't care how many reports are filed as long as the number is higher than zero. Which is why on the PB boards we always say 1 report = 9 reports. So if you report them, then guess what - they won't be getting off scott-free.
There's an inherent problem with this community and how Riot handles it (read; they don't, or whatever they ARE doing isn't working). Case in point? I've periodically checked the Red Tracker over the past few weeks. Not a single Rioter has posted in anything under Player Behavior. I could be reading it wrong, but to me, that says that they don't care. And if I think that, then I guarantee I'm not the only one that does. Riot needs to start buckling down on the festering rot in this community. And if they are, then they need to open a much more direct line of communication to assure players that they genuinely DO care about this community, and are trying to do something about it.
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: Mmm... sucks to see that happen dude. Its a constant problem with this game haha.... Just do the best you can and mute them- it always makes it a little better. Best of luck with this stuff in the future!!!
I would love to mute them. But I'm afraid to, because if I do, I can't see them slandering me and going into all chat accusing me of inting, and therefore can't defend myself from erroneous reports.
: No matter what you say, you don't like the game. Shitting on Riot, like so many other people do, is not going to magically give them the ability to preemptively punish people before they misbehave. This is a 2-part problem. The first part is the actual people who are toxic. It's not as big of a problem as you think it is. And if it's following you around, remember that the only thing in common in all of your games is you. The second part of this is the "you" problem. You're going to run into asshats. Ignore them. Far more often, you're going to run into people who make comments out of frustration. Ignore them too. Entertainment is what you make it. If you're not able to play despite the people factor involved in a team game, League may not be right for you.
If I was shitting on Riot, I wouldn't bother detailing the behavior of the players. It's not entirely Riot's fault, not at all, but they're ultimately responsible for the conduct of the community they've cultivated, and they have a responsibility to make sure toxic people don't ruin the experience for other players. League has more toxic players than any other games I've played, and I've played a lot. Riot needs to find out why that is and start taking measures to fix it.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Aegis Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lV6YcJBs,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-08-19T15:59:20.694+0000) > > Wasn't aware of that particular rule. Figured that was the case, mods may still remove the link to the specific match as the champs make it easy to identify. They may not, just depends on how that mod defines the rule. > > Riot may punish for toxicity occaisionally, but the many posts I've seen in this section of the boards and the fact that I can't go three matches without encountering a super toxic player means that whatever Riot_** is**_ doing, it's not enough. That is your anecedotal evidence. Mine is different though. I play various modes depending on my mood and free time. Last problem person I had was a Jhin. Wasn't toxic, but verbally gave up; which is still annoying but eh. > > Riot watches the boards. That why I'm posting here. Because hopefully, one day, Riot will actually notice and do something about that rampant toxicity of this community. But the fact that Rioter's haven't even left a comment in the Player Behavior section for as far as I've scrolled down in the Red Tracker... doesn't give me much hope. Reds don't come by too much anymore. The one who was lead programmer for the punishment system moved to a different department this past year I believe. I don't blame them for not posting replies though.
They don't have an obligation to respond, I understand that. But some acknowledgement that they see the problem and are trying to do something about it would be nice.
rujitra (NA)
: No, this is the second entry in a series of **rants** - there is no discussion from this thread possible, it's just you venting about your **one anecdotal experience**.
Read the title, my friend. This is my second experience after a post I made yesterday. And tomorrow, I'll probably have another one.
: Disrespectful and Toxic Community Members, Part 2
I understand that naming isn't allowed now. I wasn't aware of that before. I'll also refrain from linking my match reports from this point forward to avoid this in the future. But these reports are going to continue. This community needs to be made aware of the problems that plague it. Otherwise, this game that I used to love is going to warp and twist into one of my most hated games, solely because of the people that play it.
: First, the baords have a no Name and Shame rule. You need to remove those players names. Second, Riot already punishes for toxicity. Riot wasn't the ones to teach toxicity to people. That was themselves and the internet on a whole. Third, the boards community can't do anything about players in game. Report in the post game lobby.
Wasn't aware of that particular rule. Riot may punish for toxicity occaisionally, but the many posts I've seen in this section of the boards and the fact that I can't go three matches without encountering a super toxic player means that whatever Riot_** is**_ doing, it's not enough. Riot watches the boards. That why I'm posting here. Because hopefully, one day, Riot will actually notice and do something about that rampant toxicity of this community. But the fact that Rioter's haven't even left a comment in the Player Behavior section for as far as I've scrolled down in the Red Tracker... doesn't give me much hope.
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Zyniya (NA)
: The fact that my post showing how weak the "ban" system is, is getting downvotes explains everything.
> [{quoted}](name=Zyniya,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9k9L9rsd,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-18T23:31:50.470+0000) > > The fact that my post showing how weak the "ban" system is, is getting downvotes explains everything. And the fact that this topic is getting downvotes tells you EXACTLY how... I don't really know a good word for this... complacent isn't right. Whatever the case, the community is so corrupted by toxicity that the community itself doesn't want to be fixed, and actively thwarts attempts to do so.
: They aren't prevalent. At all. You're using anecdotal evidence as facts and that's not how it works. I've encountered a toxic asshat maybe once in my last 50 games. And you know what? I don't sit and ruminate on it for hours and hours after the match ends. Dust yourself off, ignore the dickwads, and move on.
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9k9L9rsd,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-08-18T20:48:27.173+0000) > > They aren't prevalent. At all. You're using anecdotal evidence as facts and that's not how it works. > > I've encountered a toxic asshat maybe once in my last 50 games. And you know what? I don't sit and ruminate on it for hours and hours after the match ends. Dust yourself off, ignore the dickwads, and move on. That's precisely the problem. Ignoring something doesn't make it go away. It just lets it continue on forever and ever. They never get punished. They never even get reprimanded. They're allowed to continue this abysmal behavior completely uncontested because people just ignore them and let them continue doing it.
: > [{quoted}](name=5 Dollar Holler,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9k9L9rsd,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-18T20:36:39.318+0000) > > Yes every game has toxic players... but the % of toxic players in League is much higher. I honestly cannot remember the last time I had a game where someone on my team or the enemy team didn't say something toxic in chat. Honestly, it's STRANGE for me to have a game where someone isn't announcing they're reporting someone else for X Y or Z behavior. So yeah, 10 players in a match, at least 1 is toxic, you can say "hey 90% of players arent toxic." But there's toxicity in nearly every match. Contrast that with other games I play, I don't have NEARLY the same amount of bad attitude encountered. There are no other games where I mute everyone in the match before the game even begins, or have even been tempted to do so, which I've done in League after a stretch of particularly toxic behaviors. I don't know what games you play, but most main stream games have just about the same toxicity ratio as league.
> [{quoted}](name=ThatShinyPiplup,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=9k9L9rsd,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-18T20:38:39.962+0000) > > I don't know what games you play, but most main stream games have just about the same toxicity ratio as league. That's simply not true. There's a reason so many people consider League to be the most toxic game under the sun. It wouldn't have that title for no reason. I'm all for those who want to play devil's advocate, as it allows people on both sides of a debate to learn more about the subject of the argument itself, but the fact of the matter is, League DOES have more toxic people than any other game.
: Does the League community have toxic fuckos? Yes. Absolutely. 100%. Is the League community majority these players? Nope. Yes, there's toxic people, but that's every game. There's not a single game out there that has 0 toxic people in it, that's a fact of life. And don't give me that whole "But I see a toxic troll every other game!". There's 9 other people besides yourself every game, why are you acting like 1 of them being toxic makes the entire community toxic? I guarantee that you've played with more non toxic players in your entire league life span than toxic ones, but it doesn't seem that way because you don't REMEMBER the non toxic experiences.
That fact that not everyone is toxic doesn't justify their PREVALENT existence. If there is one toxic person in EVERY match, there's too many of them. Plenty of games with similar formats, like Overwatch or Heroes of the Storm, don't have communities anywhere NEAR as toxic, and Riot needs to start asking themselves why. And if there really is only a few toxic players? That's not an excuse to not do anything about the ones that DO exist.
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: Well playing every role holds you back really hard. You should specialize to climb.
And doing THAT means I have to dodge every time I get autofilled. Best to have at least one champ that I'm really good with for all five roles, rather than just one-tricking and hoping to god that I, A, don't get autofilled, and B, my champ doesn't get banned.
: Your first and main mistake is to expect teamwork. Stop expecting anything good from your allies. That's how you should play in SoloQ. The less you chat, the better. Pings is the only communication. Use mute actively. I don't know what organized play you want from BRONZE GOSH BRONZE !!! The only more or less organized play I started seeing playing with Golds and Plats. P.S if it makes you feel better the whole Silver fits your description as well. And yes, it is your fault to take a wrong approach. I bet you play more than 1-3 champions and maybe even play more than 1 role.
I play every role, but I have 1 or 2 champions for each of them. Having too few champions leaves me weakened by bans and counterpicks.
: Matchmaking and Ranking
I just... I can't stress enough how tired I am of this. I've been dealing with it for three seasons, and I just... I'm done. I can't do it anymore. I might just quit League altogether because I'm SO tired of being PUNISHED for playing the game. I just... there aren't even words. I could post a hundred times and still feel like I haven't gotten my point across. But Riot probably isn't even going to respond to this post. It's just one of hundreds like it, and they probably just think I'm some salty kid.
: Matchmaking and Ranking
I just want Riot to solve this. They've tried and failed their way, and they need to start listening to us about this. Because if this is how it always is going to be, they might as well just axe ranked alltogether. Because it's worth nothing to me right now. It doesn't give me any reward for keeping on even after all of the losses, I'm not being acknowledged for anything GOOD i do, and every win is complimented by ten losses. There's just nothing I can do. I'm powerless because I'm on a team of four other people, and at least one of them isn't a team player, or is feeding, or is toxic, or SOMETHING. And that destroys the entire team. I have to have the fortune of getting a team of four complete strangers that will actually listen to tactical advice and criticism, actually know when to engage and when to pull out, and know when they've lost their lane and should just sit back and let the lane fall rather than feed. I like to think that I'm a good player. I've been complimented by people before on my gameplay. But the game is PUNISHING me for playing it, because my TEAM keeps messing up. And that's just not good game design. Again, Riot... if you can't fix it, just axe it. Because it's just torture at this point. I'm gonna give myself a heart attack over how powerless I am to stop this.
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