: Preseason: Rise of the Elements on PBE!
{{item:3161}} Please consider keeping Spear of Shojin as an item and just changing the passive to something more balanced. It's good to have the option to build an item that gives 20% CDR and a lot of AD that isn't Essence Reaver, since not all champions like the crit and the mana.
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ßoro (NA)
: tryndamere ruins this game man
I actually like playing against Tryndamere, it's always fun no matter who wins. Much better than facing ranged toplaners, for sure.
Yääto (NA)
: Riven doesn't build spear... that item is seriously not nearly as good on her as it is on other champs. It was good BEFORE the E changes because you could spam it, not with how your Q is set up, spear is a troll item on her. Secondly, nerfing her E AND Q is bad. Stop suggesting this. Everyone who suggests this change tilts me off the face of the planet. Also, has no one realized that Riven's winrate is UP because her playrate is HALFED? From a 53% wr 20% play rate to a 53% wr, 11% pickrate. This means majority of players are mains now, instead of simply being bandwagoners. There's a reason the winrate will be so high. Her Q is her bread and butter. So if you guys plan on nerfing Q CD + E CD that means Riven's overall damage is going to have to go up to compensate for the stupid long CDs. You guys have so many fighter's in this game talking about CDs that no one understands that her CD is in line with literally every other fighter/bruiser. CDs are the worse things to hit on Riven because she's literally never had a CD change from basically release. To top it off, Riven was incredibly weak before DD and conqueror's came out so let's stop and actually use our brains for a second. What they CAN do is decide which part of the game they want Riven to be really strong and which part she scales off. They can increase early damage while decreasing late damage or decrease early while increasing late. This is the simplest change that they can do for Riven. Not the change you're suggesting, which is actually crippling the champ with unneeded CD that makes her unable to 1v1 any champ.
>Riven doesn't build spear... that item is seriously not nearly as good on her as it is on other champs. It was good BEFORE the E changes because you could spam it, not with how your Q is set up, spear is a troll item on her. Well, Adrian, current rank 10, has been trolling a lot recently, then: https://files.catbox.moe/yagwqk.png ----------------------------------------------------- >Also, has no one realized that Riven's winrate is UP because her playrate is HALFED? From a 53% wr 20% play rate to a 53% wr, 11% pickrate. Also according to u.gg, her Pick Rate was 12.7% on patch 9.9 and now she has a 11.6% Pick Rate. Not that different. https://files.catbox.moe/ttnoy7.png https://files.catbox.moe/82ukli.png ----------------------------------------------------- I understand what you're saying and even partially agree, though. Balancing her by adjusting her damage is also a possibility. However, saying "old" Riven "wouldn't be able to 1v1 anyone" if her E cooldown had 2 more seconds (which is just an 1.1 second increase mid/late game, considering 45% CDR) is just silly. If they simply nerfed her E increasing the cooldown by 4 seconds, then it would be too much. But something like 2 seconds is completely reasonable and would actually address many of her issues by reducing her mobility, survivability, giving opponents more opportunities to punish her in a fair way. The E cooldown would still be very short, 4.4 seconds mid/lategame, her 1v1 would be fine.
: Riven is fine, get better
I main Riven. And the fact that she was generally considered too strong before the changes and has an even higher win rate after the changes is good evidence that she's probably not fine.
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: I don't play fiora but it really is a great skin and to have it kinda ruined by somthing like poor visuals sucks
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: Dawnbringer Riven Feedback Thread
Completely agree with everything you said. I think that it would be much better if her face changed to something like [Dark Star Orianna's face](https://image.prntscr.com/image/fd273c19824e4514a27194a00d16ccd1.png) when she ults, [instead of keeping her human face and a strange hair](http://i.imgur.com/JlpZYMo.png).
: Last time I was on the Fioramains subreddit they seemed dedicated to the Pool Party skin. Plus, I believe most of them see it as an upside, so the other team can barely see it. Being Fiora mains, they already know exactly where the vital is :P
There are definitely more people on r/FioraMains that think Pool Party Fiora low visibility/clarity is a problem than people who think it's something good: http://i.imgur.com/irQb91e.png http://i.imgur.com/NXtxV4l.png http://i.imgur.com/pTCy94s.png http://i.imgur.com/5PsowtZ.png http://i.imgur.com/yTL9w7x.png http://i.imgur.com/5uB412K.png http://i.imgur.com/reXj2Ph.png http://i.imgur.com/wL0bdvc.png http://i.imgur.com/WT6dIHK.png http://i.imgur.com/LIn82sj.png http://i.imgur.com/vM9Zcx4.png http://i.imgur.com/unOhoUH.png http://i.imgur.com/EzZkj88.png Also, even if that was not the case, having an advantage because it's harder for the opponent to see an ability it's simply not fair and it's bad for the game. And of course, if it's harder for the opponents to see the healing area, your allies also have a harder time seeing it. It's very confusing for everyone, that's not something good. The healing area of Fiora's Ultimate is not supposed to be that hard to see. And Riot wants the game to be more clear, not more confusing, they are even giving more clarity do cc in the midseason this year: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/intro-midseason-2017
: Yikes. I knew it was noticably more bland but now that I'm seeing this comparison on the forefront, her Pool Party skin ult looks like it's barely there.
Yes, it's very hard to see, especially when teamfighting. A lot of Fiora players don't even use the skin because of this. It'a a shame because the skin itself looks great. However these visibility problems put the Fiora player and his team at a disadvantage.
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