: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9aQpcEVx,comment-id=001d,timestamp=2019-09-12T00:00:18.233+0000) > > Uh, we did? Do you have any sources to back that up? Certainly, you're at least talking about yourself, so where's your source? We don't need facts to say that McDonald's sells hamburgers but sure. 2018 March LCK playoffs So yes, we knew about it after mere 2 weeks after her release. https://clips.twitch.tv/ElatedCleanDragonfruitDancingBaby
That's not a source. I want you to prove that people around her release we're saying what you said right now.
: Kaisa is not an ADC, Pyke is not a support, and Jax is not a fighter
Assassin is the board's favorite buzzword and dog whistle.
: We knew how Kai'sa would turn out.
> "We knew" Uh, we did? Do you have any sources to back that up? Certainly, you're at least talking about yourself, so where's your source?
KazKaz (OCE)
: The Kai'sa nerf is a joke
It's actually a pretty decent nerf, but I agree that it isn't enough.
: At least Malzahar has only one pasive. Yasuo also gets double crit chance.
and Malzahar gets a stronger ultimate. Comparing champion abilities to another without the rest of the kit for context is nonsense.
Neriticc (EUW)
: Why doesn’t Yasuo shield flow reset if he takes damage from enemy champions?
Because not every ability compared to champions is 1 to 1. Malzahar ult is a lot stronger than Yasuo's ult, but I would NEVER compare the two down to the level you are comparing their passives.
Nubrac (NA)
: Nightblue Copyright Claims and Blocks 1 Mil View Video in Which He Gets Riot Friend to Ban Nubrac
: You are exagerating quite a bit. There has been the Juggernaut rework, the introduction of Lethality and Runes Reforged. Sure, turret plating is still a mess but we are talking about Riot. It's just a little mistake compared to the average fuck-ups they are used to do. Other misdeeds include: * Removal of Dominion and incoming removal of Twisted Treeline. * ARURF. * Eternals. * The sheer existence of {{champion:157}} , {{champion:238}} , {{champion:67}} , {{champion:84}} , {{champion:39}} , {{champion:141}} , {{champion:145}} , {{champion:555}} and {{champion:142}} . * {{item:3161}} . * Jungle plants; and in general any kind of change to the jungle since Season 5. And a lot more.
the introduction of lethality was a nerf to flat armor pen, so you're wrong.
: Yep, and no. Baron change and bounties where designed as a comeback mechanic? problem? ___ Well putting the comeback mechanic on the most fed most impactful players head BY ITSELF reduces that players impact. So it reduced the CHANCE of a come back because the team that was ahead will always be the one that wins, whereas before the player that was most ahead and used it was the one that would win. Nowadays 5v5 teamfights where both teams trade 4 players lives for 1 kill and the other team trades 4 more for the other, just happen to be the standard. The team that scales hardest then uses that massive amount of gold. ___ Man it sucks when the support leona or thresh takes the shut down and literally ends the game for his team because they made a great pick!
: Turret plating is honestly the worst thing I've ever seen added to the game next to rng scuttles
I like turret plating. I hate that it falls off after 14 minutes, removing comeback potential.
: Discussion view makes it HARD to have any sort of long-form discussion. It promotes people branching off into their own private discussions which peter out, instead of having a single unified chain where we all can play off what everyone has said, and we can all see it happen.
> [{quoted}](name=notFREEfood,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GlRGiKmu,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-08-23T15:38:13.811+0000) > > Discussion view makes it HARD to have any sort of long-form discussion. It promotes people branching off into their own private discussions which peter out, instead of having a single unified chain where we all can play off what everyone has said, and we can all see it happen. except the part where its OPTIONAL so other people can still use chronological if THEY WANT to.
: I won't argue that he screwed up, but assassins shouldn't be 100-ing at level 3, period.
Except the first clip is an 80-0, not 100-0. If you fucked up and combo does a full combo plus ignite on you, you probably will lose a fuck ton of HP.
: Love how assassins are supposed to be high skill cap champs but have point and click abilities.
: Qiyana insta-gibbed me twice @ lv3 within a minute, I love this damage creep meta so much man
First clip: You were close to Qiyana and you a smaller minion wave. She has ignite while you have TP. Second clip: You walked up to her, got caught between her and her minion wave, and took minion aggro. Not saying Qiyana isn't OP, but you misplayed in each of those situations.
Destaice (NA)
: “This champion is too strong in pro play so now nobody gets to play it.”
: How the hell do you counter Jax?
Don't fight him with his passive stacked. Use AoE waveclear if you can. Other things you can probably look up. Jax is not OP.
Fuya (NA)
: Guys, calm down. There IS one plus-side of the Eternals:
Uh oh, you've posted a thread trying to stereotype and attack Yasuo mains. That is cringe.
Mr Meat (OCE)
: "You people" Being the overwhelming majority of the dedicated LoL community? Ya know, the people who actually read patch notes, keep up with the Meta, and understand the state of gameplay? You're trying to correct the people who spend the most time understanding the game? Oh and please do point out where this guys post was wrong, because I'm sure we would all love to hear it
The league boards do not represent the entire dedicated LoL community. Moody P also reads the patch notes, keeps up with the meta, and understands the state of gameplay better than most people here. Moody P already pointed out where he's wrong. The last support change is utility.
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EALf4Ej2,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-12T05:40:52.738+0000) > > because having a 15% pickrate is really absurd? You should remember season 6/7 (I can't remember which) where she had the same statistics and was broken as fuck. > > You know better than to only look at winrate. **_YUUMI DIDN'T EXIST IN SEASONS SIX OR SEVEN_**
what does that have to do with how statistics work?
IainG10 (EUW)
: If pick rate is high, all that says is that the champion doesn't feel horrible to play as.
No. Higher pickrates lower the winrate. A 52% winrate champion can be underpowered if their pickrate is 3%.
Ahri Baka (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lYKEVehG,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-08-12T17:07:29.797+0000) > > If winrate or pickrate is high, then the champion is OP. > > It's that simple. > > As for what should be nerfed? Different story, but Ahri has been OP when people complained about her. her pick rate is not that high 8% can never be called high it's decent High pick rate is like 20% Look at Ezreal for example , that's a fucking 50% pick rate , not just high , that's huge 52% winrate is balanced for an easy to play champion tho , the pick rate itself is not high
Was I talking about Ahri's pickrate right now? No, I'm talking about Ahri was she was overpowered last.
Bârd (NA)
: This is a one item Zed doing one rotation in season 3. https://youtu.be/xuIiEEJK8ew?t=952 This is a pre-one item Zed doing one rotation now. https://youtu.be/gh61ySe11aM?t=236
In the first video, you cannot see Zed's items. The current Zed has almost 2 items, not pre-1.
Bârd (NA)
: Their reasoning is "If we buff tank damage, people will pick tanks instead of higher damage roles so damage will be lower overall" Of course, they completely miss the issue with this. * Tanks end up with the damage output of old bruisers. * Bruisers end up with the damage output of old divers. * Divers end up with the damage output of old assassins. * Assassins just instantly kill anything they touch.
except this isn't really the case. Assasssins don't instantly kill things they touch.
Mr Meat (OCE)
: It's almost like a brand name for you to go against what's agreed upon by the community here
Because you guys are consistently wrong and thus it is one's moral obligation to correct you people.
Ahri Baka (EUNE)
: Gotta agree As an Ahri main I got sick of arguing for those who complain and ask to nerf her Why : HER WINRATE IS HIGH What's strong excactly and need to be nerfed ? : HER WINRATE IS HIGH , REMOVE HER CHARM AND Q TRUE DMG AND 2 OF HER DASHES , HER WINRATE IS HIGH !
If winrate or pickrate is high, then the champion is OP. It's that simple. As for what should be nerfed? Different story, but Ahri has been OP when people complained about her.
: Also some champions _**(mainly {{champion:157}} and followed by {{champion:64}})**_ don't have high win rate because most of their players have low IQ, refuse to cooperate with their team and frequently throw the game thus causing their team to lose.
Thanks for stereotyping players of specific champions rather than use anything that isn't an illogical, unsubstantiated insult at a group of individuals.
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EALf4Ej2,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-08-10T23:05:00.372+0000) > > https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/master/plus/champion/Yuumi/Support/ > > I mean 15% pickrate on 49% winrate is pretty broken. Why do you never fail to say some of the "weirdest" crap I read on these boards? It wouldn't even take me a solid 60 seconds to find someone with better pick/win rates and we're complaining about a champion that's sub 50% because it appears in the LCS? Can you just think before you post at least SOMETIMES? This isn't me trying to be nasty. You honestly come out swinging with the weirdest flex of 2019 nearly EVERY time you make a point.
because having a 15% pickrate is really absurd? You should remember season 6/7 (I can't remember which) where she had the same statistics and was broken as fuck. You know better than to only look at winrate.
: >they have never been changed because they bring in the big bucks of LCS Could you please provide list of how many assassins is being played in proplay compared to other classes? Also, you will say something like "No need to play them all, these few can provide enough flashy plays", which is of course subjective and any good play, be it good Azirs R, Sejus R, majority of allins by adcs, good pick by any skirmish, good engages could be called flashy play... Here is incomplete list for ya, classes might be little bit mixed up, but it's ok. Bruisers - {{champion:266}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:59}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:2}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:126}} Tanks - {{champion:201}} {{champion:113}} {{champion:111}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:79}}{{champion:12}} {{champion:106}} Adcs - {{champion:81}} {{champion:498}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:42}} {{champion:110}} Assassins - {{champion:84}} {{champion:517}} {{champion:246}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:60}} {{champion:555}} Mages - {{champion:268}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:8}} Enchanter - {{champion:350}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:497}}
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EALf4Ej2,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-10T19:46:44.306+0000) > > Yuumi's 87% pickrate with pros saying they hate her. Sure. Pro play balance isn't 1:1 with solo queue balance. Yuumi isn't broken in solo queue.
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/master/plus/champion/Yuumi/Support/ I mean 15% pickrate on 49% winrate is pretty broken.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ihateyouallmuted,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EALf4Ej2,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-10T19:15:23.921+0000) > > _John Cena: Are you sure about that?_ Yeah, quite positive.
Yuumi's 87% pickrate with pros saying they hate her. Sure.
YBaKunt (NA)
: Armor is extremely under powered. Lethalty is OP.
Melee fighters don't build lethality. AD assassins aren't hurting tanks.
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JVXoiX0n,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-08-06T21:29:12.059+0000) > > Galio was viable for like 2 whole years or something? How long have Jax and Lux been viable in the last 2 years? > > Come on, you're the biased one here. lux support has been viable and strong for years. I honestly can't think of a point in time where jax is weak, maybe not picked as much but by no means weak
Power Mac (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JVXoiX0n,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-08-06T21:29:12.059+0000) > > Galio was viable for like 2 whole years or something? How long have Jax and Lux been viable in the last 2 years? > > Come on, you're the biased one here. During which days, in the last seven seasons, hasn't Lux been viable?
An easier question would be which times has Lux seen competitive play? But to answer you: Season 8, Season 7, Season 6, probably Season 5.
: Galio has the lowest pickrate in the game and for some reason jax and lux deserves buffs before him?
Galio was viable for like 2 whole years or something? How long have Jax and Lux been viable in the last 2 years? Come on, you're the biased one here.
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xbjw88Iu,comment-id=0000000000020002,timestamp=2019-08-05T20:33:35.826+0000) > > wow I'm glad this is about assassins who don't use bork wow i wasn't talking only about assassins wow > > and you're ignoring the fact base armor is higher than base MR, and armor items are better than MR items. hardly noticeable > > but ok, let the fact that mages are played more be ignored too. Nice fact, i'd love to hear where you heard it from and how tf does it matter to our discussion
> [{quoted}](name=JuiceBoxP,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xbjw88Iu,comment-id=00000000000200020000,timestamp=2019-08-05T20:37:31.920+0000) > > wow i wasn't talking only about assassins wow The comment at the top of this sting of comments is talking about assassins. > hardly noticeable Extremely noticeable. You can't just dismiss a fact by saying "I'm ignoring it." > Nice fact, i'd love to hear where you heard it from and how tf does it matter to our discussion It matters because if Mages' pen options aren't superior, why are they played more?
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FMLLUUjh,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-08-04T23:54:58.501+0000) > > Free crit > Free healing > Dash > Slow > Ad nerf > Free ad > Invuln. > > He isn’t that underloaded. Healing isn't free. He has to use his rage to heal. The crit chance is also tied to his amount of rage.
how have you survived using the boards for so long and not gone inactive like me?
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FMLLUUjh,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-08-04T23:16:59.018+0000) > > tryndamere's kit is very underloaded Free crit Free healing Dash Slow Ad nerf Free ad Invuln. He isn’t that underloaded.
Libido (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xbjw88Iu,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-08-05T18:13:08.421+0000) > > Bullshit. > > Tanks have co-existed along side Vayne since her release in 2010 so don't spew that bullshit. I can confirm Pantheons statement. Vayne deals true damage? So just build hp right? Thats where youre wrong kiddo
why are you being dishonest by trying to respond to an argument Antenora didn't make?
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Pandemic Punch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xbjw88Iu,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-05T17:39:26.916+0000) > > Tanks can't survive the majority of Top Lane match ups Exactly. And why's that? Black Cleaver and Conqueror.
Black Cleaver isn't used in the laning phase as much though due to it's shitty components.
GigglesO (NA)
: Those were the good days.
the worst days of zero interaction lanes
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Divin1ty,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xbjw88Iu,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-05T17:14:09.032+0000) > Mages have superior Pen AND higher Numbers. Edited to correct my mistakes {{item:3135}} 40% pen {{item:3165}} 15 flat pen + grievous wounds {{item:3020}} 18 flat pen {{item:3071}} 24% shred - everyone gets the pen {{item:3036}} 35% pen {{item:3033}} 25% pen + grievous wounds {{item:3153}} literally does 8% current health as bonus damage, who tf needs pen? {{item:3147}} 21 lethality {{item:3814}} 18 lethality {{item:3142}} 18 lethality {{item:3124}} 15% armor+magic pen ADs stack a bunch of those, most mages get 1 or 2 tops. I fail to see the superiority of magic pen items.
wow I'm glad this is about assassins who don't use bork and you're ignoring the fact base armor is higher than base MR, and armor items are better than MR items. but ok, let the fact that mages are played more be ignored too.
: Doesn’t help that they both get stupid amounts of free shit tacked into their kits.
: Yasuo has the highest CS per minutes out of all the champions in league no matter what elo
Cørnman (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=figold666,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yGmrzEOF,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-08-03T02:11:06.817+0000) > > Rip A Sol. Turning him into a Burst Mage {{champion:163}} : "Welcome to the club!"
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: Now, don't do that. Old Kayle had absolutely zero counter except CC on her ult as she would almost permaslow you with your Q so that you can't even escape the situation or respond with a Flash in any direction (if she has hers too), while casting R and playing whack -a-mole with your corpse. That wasn't fun for either party involved. Kayle, right now on PBE, also lost her true damage on her AAs on level 16, which is a good way of curbing the true damage that can't be itemized against. All Kayle had to do is race to 5.0 AS as fast as possible, provided the game lasts that long and she auto wins, given her crazy strength. But her early was utterly dogshit as she couldn't even do anything but farm and hope she doesn't feed that much. She's like Yasuo of AS. The reason why Kayle now ha an AP ration on her ult is because it disables her AAs while its being cast. Riot didn't want to leave her invulnerability and AAs in conjunction with one another, given this was her issue before. If you force Kayle to ult now, you know she can't do anything while you can attempt to fuck away. Kayle Ring herself isn't an auto-win anymore and her weakness still is CC. Now more than ever, because her threat comes from her R AoE, not her AAs.
Like I said, Kayle's ult no longer has the weakness of being CCed though.
Snowbrand (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=AirKingNeo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yGmrzEOF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-02T23:41:46.551+0000) > > I'm a Kayle main and I agree. Why is her ult AP ratio 0.8? Old Kayle's ult had the weakness of being CC'd, but if you try to CC someone targetted by new Kayle ult, you'll get hit by the burst. Well, if your cc is ranged you can just peel her off. Nothing different from a jumping rengar or whatever
except no CC is a larger range than kayle's ult...
Moody P (NA)
: Why are modern DPS picks so bursty?
I'm a Kayle main and I agree. Why is her ult AP ratio 0.8? Old Kayle's ult had the weakness of being CC'd, but if you try to CC someone targetted by new Kayle ult, you'll get hit by the burst.
: Can we nerf Pyke already?
Yes, but also Thresh is way more overpowered.
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Antenora (EUW)
: "These changes are tentative and are not guaranteed to ship."
I HAVE A DREAM WHERE KAYLE CAN PLAY THE GAME BEFORE 30 MINUTES
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