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: Complaining about 900 damage from a tier 1 due to a bonus when 2700 damage had to be dealt first seems just as rational to me as complaining about Ornn doing 500 damage with electric buff. The chance of a 1 star Kog Maw executing a tier 3 tank unit is far smaller than the chance of acquiring electric Lux. On the 500 is less than 900 part, that is only assuming that the electric buff only procs one time and is also assuming that a high health target is being executed. It is pretty rare to have units with more than 2k hp in order to have an execute of over 500. As for proccing the electric buff on Ornn in general, you should read what his ability does. It gives his target(s) 50% increased chance to be crit.
You can try to rationalize your argument however you want and convince yourself kog and ornn and their synergies are comparable, but the results speak for themselves. There's a reason kog is the core champ of an S tier synergy that consistently wins games even when facing 3 star units while ornn and electric are rarely top 4 finishers. If you're honestly not convinced, try spamming 4 electric ornn to find out how that goes for yourself.
: What about an Ornn doing 500 damage AoE without a cooldown or condition?
- requires that you draw an electric lux - earliest you'll achieve 4 electric is stage 4 (more likely stage 5 or probably never due to first condition), while preds are completed with tier 1 and 2 units - ornn has to receive or deal critical strikes - 500 is much less than 900 there's a reason nobody complains about electric ornn
: You *do* realize that will only ever happen after Mundo's taken a shitton of damage, right? It's not Kog magically dealing over 900 damage an auto.
I agree with OP. IMO, it doesn't matter that predators require units to get reach 1/4 health. A tier 1 unit should not be able to dish out 900 damage in any situation, not to mention being able to do so unequipped. They are low cost, trash tier for a reason. Not enough thought or testing was put into the predator synergy.
: I just had such a game! Three other players with three completely different comps and set-ups. It's so stressful.
Yea, I experience this in most games. Rather than committing to the same general positioning for the entire game (until the 1v1 at the end) due to not knowing who you're facing and auto losing to specific players, you should have the ability to make adjustments.
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Cräfty (EUW)
: 3 Inferno + 3 Mage + 4 Ocean (_ignoring the wardens_). Enough said.
I'm pretty sure everyone in the game had better/more synergies than the ones you mentioned. 3 inferno/3 mage is usually terrible w/o high tier units (tier 3+).
: 3-stars are a big factor, especially on diana and vlad, and he has 3 inferno, 3 mages, 4 ocean and 2 wardens, and we don't know the items. you have 2 rangers, 3 light and 2 mystik, NO YORIK(the core for every light setup) and your 3 star vayne probably gets destroyed by diana every fight. and again, we don't know the items, which are a massive factor for the game.
That's not my team you're looking at lol. I'm the one with the 2* tier 7 and tier 5 units with summoner/light/crystal/warden comp. Lost to a bunch of 3 star tier 1 units.
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: Noble is ruining this game
There shouldn't be 1 comp that trounces everyone else. Takes away from the tactics/strategy aspect of the game. In my 1v1s, I've played literally all completed comps against nobles - 6 blademasters, 6 sorcerers, slingers, demons, etc and tried all sorts of positioning adjustments (while the nobles player can literally afk) and I've lost every single time. Anyone is basically resigned to 2nd place against nobles.
: What is wrong with my build?
1. no units above tier 2. best carry units are naturally tier 3+ 2. you have nice defense but no hard carry units. zed can't carry anyone. especially without assassin synergy (and even with). 3. since you have no tier 3+ units and you're the same level as people with 3 star units, i'm guessing you're rolling too much early on. i usually don't roll till 6 at the very minimum, often 7, unless i have tons of pairs and have a good chance of landing a set 4. no syngergies. even the ones you have aren't effective. post nerf brawlers are only good with vi or cho, you need attack speed (ashe) if you're running glacials, you need ahri or gnar if you're running wild.
: Thoughts on the state of TfT from a diamond player
The rng is intentional, as it forces players to play an exorbitant number of games before achieving true elo - active player bases are good for games. It's never been about making a fair game in which skilled players immediately outperform. Riot knows what it's doing.
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Bârd (NA)
: About your response to Item RNG
There's no point in making these posts anymore. There are hundreds of threads making these same points that should be super obvious to anyone remotely capable of logical thought. Riot's clearly noticed them and I'm not convinced they actually think widely varying item drop rates make the game fair. That being said, their refusal to implement this change is likely the result of some unknown agenda.
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: They literally just reworked him. Like 2 or 3 patches ago.
Well they did a terrible job. Heimer is blatantly broken. I cannot imagine how it got past play testing.
AmpereD (NA)
: Advice for people trying to climb..
i can try to help you with specific questions and spectate some of your play if you want. feel free to add me.
D3M4L1S (NA)
: Need some advice.
i can spectate some of your play and try to give you pointers if you want.
aphomm (NA)
: Jungle Help
i recommend you focus on efficient jungle clearing first. only gank lanes when they fit your jungle pathing - don't go out of your way to gank bot lane if you're already moving toward the top side jungle camps and bot side camps have been cleared. many junglers have big power spikes at level 6 so it's important you reach 6 asap and then gank - you're much more likely to successfully pull off a gank with your ult. pre 6 ganking can swing games, but failed ganks put you behind, as you could have used the time to farm camps, and give the opposing jungler the chance to steal your camps. active early ganking becomes more necessary as you reach higher elos, but for now, power farming till 6 and then ganking will be more rewarding than early ganking in the majority of your games. you'll already be a decent jungler if you're able to clear camps efficiently while performing 1 or 2 safe ganks. but as you farm, keep an eye on how lanes flow and opposing jungler movement. you can work on ganking actively as your understanding of these concepts improves.
: Going Up Elo
to start, i went through your match history. if you enjoy support, it's fine, but you'll get out of bronze more slowly playing support at a silver level than you would playing a carry role at a silver level, because you can't rely on people in the carry roles to perform in bronze. my suggestion is to train a single champion who is pretty strong and isn't difficult to play mechanically repeatedly in normal draft mode. only way to ensure you climb is if you really are better than your current tier. when you get comfortable in normals and you find you consistently achieve high kda, you're probably ready to rank. you still have time to train before season end. Cait is a good adc choice. Shyvana is a good jungle pick. Renekton top. etc. You only need to work on 1. 2 if you want a backup. feel free to add me if you have specific questions or want me to observe small segments of your play. i don't mind giving pointers.
Trogmar (NA)
: Positioning help.
My general adc advice: 1. stay back and attack the target in front of you. trying to snipe out squishier targets often requires you to move too close to enemy champs and gets you in trouble. 2. be aware of the abilities enemy champs have that can reach you and stay just out of range. they will often blow the ability on something else after not being able to reach you for a few seconds and you can take the opportunity to start AA'ing. May seem wrong to let your teammate take the hits, but adc's are often the bulk of the team's damage, so your safety is priority. let me know if you have more specific questions, i can try to help.
archerno1 (EUNE)
: U are not supposed to 1v1 her as melee. She is designed to be god against melee but a rabbit without eyes and all 4 legs broken against anything ranged
if you're up 2-0 in lane and ahead in farm, i dont care what the designers intentions were with the champion - antimelee or w/e bullshit you want to call it, she should not be able to 1v1 you. If you make mistakes and die in lane, you deserve to pay for it. The rule apparently doesn't apply to illaoi. She has massive damage, easy wave clearing, and her E auto zones you from engaging or farming, none of which becomes any less effective when she 'gets behind'. Completely broken, bullshit champion. It's blatantly obvious to anyone that has any grasp of the game.
Ba22crow (NA)
: There is a lot more than 2 sentences, look about two comments down. This is not my only account, and yes beating a silver Illaoi is not saying much about balance, but I myself am only a silver Illaoi. And besides her win rate looks fairly balanced, if it starts to skew because she is overpowered and people realize and begin playing her then she will be nerfed, but I doubt that will happen, nor do I care if it does, like I said I was fine with her before the buffs. But yelling OP! OP! does not help the conversation, so I suggested trying to play "as" her and listen to my tips for playing against her and then see if you come to the same conclusion.
i've played against her enough to know what to do against her and to know that she's broken. naturally, i trust my judgment more than i trust yours. you clearly feel the same way, so neither of us is convincing the other. however, nobody's yelling OP and leaving it at that like you're suggesting. there are plenty of threads discussing why she's op. the original post is even a freaking essay. so i dont understand where you got "But yelling OP! OP! does not help the conversation" from. she does too much damage. too much damage when she lands an e, which discourages melees from engaging on her because point blank e's are easier to land, forcing melees to farm while dodging her q spam. her e even chunks you for 70% you when she's way behind and in no way deserves to remain competitive with you in lane. and obviously, her ult is absurd. and her q hitbox is deceptive.
Ba22crow (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=BigIdea,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jwrM8yMg,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2016-06-29T00:36:31.592+0000) > > obviously i wouldn't be posting if i hadn't played against her a bunch of times and didnt experience her bullshit firsthand. > > she's completely absurd, but as an illaoi player with an 80% ranked win rate on illaoi, you overlook her ridiculous power and attempt to support the claim that she's balanced by presenting a list of theoretical ways in which you beat her, which don't pan out in practice. of course you're not going to trash your recently buffed and now OP champion so that she gets nerfed again. And you read 2 words into my comment and ignored everything else. I have had her picked out from under me, and won every time so obliviously they did pan out. I said play her, not against her. you learn a champs weaknesses by playing them, not by getting stomped because you don't know them. I don't care if she gets nerfs, I had a huge win rate on her before the buffs, frankly I don't know why they buffed her. All I can assume is Riot meant what they said when they said she was underperforming and buffed her.
what is there to ignore? you wrote 2 sentences. all you said was: i have beaten illaoi before so she's not op. she has weaknesses. "play her yourself, you'll find the weaknesses fairly easily after a handful of games." that can be misconstrued as: play against her and you'll see her weaknesses. you say you've beaten illaoi in lane every time you've faced her. league match history and op.gg show that you've played against illaoi 1 time since her patch 6.11 buffs in all your ranked and normal matches. 1 time. and, not trying to be condescending, i think even you realize beating a single silver 5, 0 LP illaoi means absolutely nothing about her state of balance.
: I played a game of yorick and my e's kept getting stuck inside the creeps
Voidrey (NA)
: Whats creep block?
When minions hinder your movement and force you to take strange paths to get to your destination. it's incredibly problematic for melee champions.
BigIdea (NA)
: Illaoi is not balanced at all
been seeing more illaoi bans the past 2 days. about time.
MrryZ (NA)
: But when one minion cockblocks you and either paths you 6 miles out of your way or stops you from moving at all, it is then a dumb mechanic as it takes no skill to be outplayed by your own minion
agree with mrryz. the pathing can be completely unpredictable and unreasonable, so creep block adds no value to the game. only serves to make you angry.
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Ba22crow (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=BigIdea,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jwrM8yMg,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-06-27T05:27:31.848+0000) > > a lot of this is true. illaoi is broken. people will realize it eventually. > > unfortunately, if you're an illaoi player (i'm seeing a few below), you can't evaluate your champion objectively. I can, I have played against her when I am not first pick on multiple occasions and won. Again, play her yourself, you'll find the weaknesses fairly easily after a handful of games.
obviously i wouldn't be posting if i hadn't played against her a bunch of times and didnt experience her bullshit firsthand. she's completely absurd, but as an illaoi player with an 80% ranked win rate on illaoi, you overlook her ridiculous power and attempt to support the claim that she's balanced by presenting a list of theoretical ways in which you beat her, which don't pan out in practice. of course you're not going to trash your recently buffed and now OP champion so that she gets nerfed again.
Teslium (EUNE)
: Her win rate still is below 50%, and you can't say she is difficult to play. Seems in balance right now.
it's been above 50% 3 days in a row now and it's higher each day. slightly over 50% for a week, over 51% today.
Scazie (EUW)
: Illaloi is ridiculous
a lot of this is true. illaoi is broken. people will realize it eventually. unfortunately, if you're an illaoi player (i'm seeing a few below), you can't evaluate your champion objectively.
: Illaoi dumpsters all 3 of those champs tho
she dumpsters every melee champ in the game. completely broken now. the buffs to all her abilities being 'a bit overtuned' is a big understatement. other lane bullies may be able to compete with her in the first few levels and maybe even get an edge, but once she's low on mana, she'll just back and tp back into lane. When this happens, she's already near level 6 and once she hits 6, lane's over. You can no longer engage since she'll just e you, at which point you have 2 losing choices: 1. stay to fight and let her ult and kill you or 2. back off immediately after taking the e and get outraded and be infected by tentacles for a few seconds. You get outdamaged in both scenarios. So you just have to endure her q and e spams and only be able to capitalize when she whiffs everything - ball is entirely in her court. The most ridiculous part is the above holds true even if you manage to get a few kills on her early. She will always hold a dueling advantage when both sides land all abilities even if she's reasonably far behind. Post 6, you get no advantage for being ahead. Counterdiving (zyra who doesn't instakill you upon using ult) may be a thing I guess, but illaoi and her absurd damage are bullshit.
: ~~... anyone got a clue what this BigIdea guy wanted?...~~ Ah there we go, 3rd times the charm huh? Yah know there's an edit button that you can click ta fix typos and whatnot right lil buddy? :l Anyways, like I've been saying to other people, she's literally a Trundle case all over again and will take about 2~3 patches to finally be taken care of by riot ever so slowly.
> [{quoted}](name=2nd Chance,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=AqdGrou3,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-06-25T06:39:54.320+0000) > > ~~... anyone got a clue what this BigIdea guy wanted?...~~ > > Ah there we go, 3rd times the charm huh? > > Yah know there's an edit button that you can click ta fix typos and whatnot right lil buddy? :l > > Anyways, like I've been saying to other people, she's literally a Trundle case all over again and will take about 2~3 patches to finally be taken care of by riot ever so slowly. since you asked, it's cause the reply button isn't working. instead of having my reply under your comment, the thread creates a new comment and quotes yours. i wanted the reply to be direct and never got it to work. understand now, BUDDY? edit: notice how it did it again
: It took you this long to notice, even tho' she got literally trundle'd?
> [{quoted}](name=2nd Chance,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=AqdGrou3,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-06-25T06:07:16.902+0000) > > It took you this long to notice, even tho' she got literally trundle'd? nobody notices even though it's blatantly obvious. take a look at all the people defending illaoi's state of balance: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/2wYkaMJp-illaoi-is-not-balanced-at-all?comment=001400000000 people will gradually notice how broken illaoi is as more of them play against illaoi. right now, they're pulling theories out of their asses to support claims that she has tons of counterplay.
Atronthor (EUW)
: I think the main factor because she is that strong is that the most players dont understand or know their mechanics.
it's been how long since her release? i think people have figured out how she works by now. she's just broken.
: Not knowing how to play against a champ with such clear "win" conditions =/= "this champ is broken because they were so far behind yet can still kill me!!" 1- Illaoi is not like Darius or Garen or Da Croc ... she doesn't NEED an early lead to be useful later. She scales with the game (not unlike Susan but clearly different and not as bull shit as him). So yeah, when a Garen is behind or goes even he's useless or close to it for the rest of the game and can only build full tank in hopes of being a dmg magnet. If Darius doesn't get fed he is far less useful and if he gets behind he's useless. Illaoi isn't like that, if you're ahead and STILL decide to face tank her ult next to some tents she WILL hurt you cause it's her win condition, it's what her whole kit is built around. It's like standing inside of Donger's bots ... sure, you can do that. But when he ults and takes you with him (or just kills you as he uses his ZHG to survive with a tiny bit of HP) it's your own fault. Her being behind doesn't change that. Same with Susan, you shit on him and kill him twice? Good ... don't take his tower though, force him to come to you for farm and zone him from it because it doesn't matter how hard you stump Susan, if he cane freeze the wave outside a Tier 2 tower he will get the stacks and farm he needs to become a raid boss later and if you let that happen he WILL kill you. 2- Illaoi's win condition is clear as day and should be respected. I've played her into Cho twice so far and I LOVE IT. He bullies you as he mindlessly pushes with E on to harass you/ zone you from AAing minions. He heals up Q slaps with his passive. You don't have the dmg or burst to kill him. This all goes to the players head for the first few levels ... so at level 6 they think they can just still shit on you only to find out that you're one of the best duelist in the game when you ult and Cho can't handles bursty duelist (I know this from fighting a Aatox top as Cho. Bully him all you want, as soon as he gets Lifesteal you can't do shit to him).
clearly you're not giving me any credit and believe that i stand in the middle of her ult and make no attempt to avoid the damage. i didn't climb the ladder by making stupid decisions. I'm 3 levels up, have 3 kills, have 50 more cs, and significantly more items than a 0/3/0 illaoi. She outtrades me in the lane when we land all our abilities and **NO **ults are used. That's not a win condition/being a good duelist as you say in #2. That's called being broken as shit. Under no circumstance should a champ that far behind be capable of trading fairly. And no, nasus can't do anything to you during the lane phase while that far behind.
Hige (NA)
: OH YOU PLAY RENEKTON!!! this discussion is over. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Illaoi
in lieu of actual experience playing against illaoi, you toss me a wiki page. nice man. great work substantiating your argument that illaoi is a balanced laner. holy shit...
Hige (NA)
: my initial post IS the best answer for your question because Illaoi was made around the concept of counter diving but of course, let's make this personal. Should I remind you of this: > Why can illaoi can go 0-3 in lane, fall behind 50+ cs, be down 3 levels, and still be able to not only survive the rest of the lane phase but also outduel the fed opposing laner by hitting 1 e? This champ is horrendously balanced. hyperboles (playing Illaoi is more than 1 e) and irony all in one place. Do you expect a helpful discussion from salty posting? not gonna lie, I'm impressed at your "understanding of everything"
you're posting your guesses without ever having played the damn matchup (ESPECIALLY against post buff illaoi) and telling me i dont know what i'm talking about. of course it turns personal. honestly wtf do you expect. you do not all in with renekton. i 'dip' in every instance, and in cases in which he soul grabs me on the dip, in our brief 2 second trade, he is able fairly trade or outtrade with me, despite being 1, 2, and finally 3 levels behind. dont give me your numbers and your theories on why illaoi is balanced and shit. go get stomped by illaoi in lane first and then post. no one wants to read your unsubstantiated garbage theories. if 'dipping' were all it took to beat illaoi, i'd have no problem winning the lane and this post wouldn't exist.
Hige (NA)
: Oh honey, I have more than 350+ games, I've been playing since Nidalee was released, I've done a total of 2 server transfers hence why you can't find most of your delicious data, see how you can barely grasp any understanding on an environment with more than one variable? I'm guessing that being PLATINUM means that you are at the top of game knowledge, might as well just quit since there's no room for improvement Your so called understanding on the game has you complaining about Illaoi, if you weren't this much of a conceited prick I would take the time to show you numbers and design parameters that show how wrong you are but at this point buddy, you don't deserve half a second more of my time. Have a good night.
i'm the conceited prick when you initiate with this post: > because you have no idea how to dip instead of dive. no one's gonna respond to that kind of bullshit nicely, especially when you insinuate i don't know renekton 101. are you delusional? more than 350 games and you'll still G5. good work. and i'm not plat. and i never said there's no room for improvement. and parameters and numbers? LOL ok. keep posting bullshit.
: I thought Illaoi was garbage according to these boards.
i remember many posts about her being garbage happening before she got buffed. if there are still complaints, they are probably about her lack of initiation or poor team fighting, which is really not that bad. but in this post, i'm talking solely about her ability to remain competitive in lane regardless of how far behind she is, when she should be forced to play defensively and be outraded in any exchange like anyone else that falls behind.
Hige (NA)
: well, for having such a big understanding you sure seem to have trouble with Illaoi mate :T Either way, getting soul grabbed isn't be that much of a deal, not to mention the missile itself is really slow. Make her waste her ult and you'll be fine.
> well, for having such a big understanding you sure seem to have trouble with Illaoi mate :T wtf??? that's an oxymoron. your understanding of the game allows you to identify broken champions. and if a champion is broken, you're gonna have trouble against him. no shit. you have no history of top lane play. how are you able to accurately evaluate illaoi. i feel like you posted for the sole purpose of talking shit. for having 350+ games and still being gold 5, you sure talk big. given your rating, i understand that you're oblivious to the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about. it's ok, keep posting nonsense :)
Hige (NA)
: because you have no idea how to dip instead of dive.
she soul grabs you immediately on any 'dip' you attempt. i'd bet i have a better idea than you do on basically everything.
: > [{quoted}](name=BigIdea,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2wYkaMJp,comment-id=000400010000000000020000,timestamp=2016-06-23T04:54:47.515+0000) > > not sure what your point is. > > but speaking of wusses, you're supposed to play like a wuss after falling far behind and wait for your team to help you catch up. that's the correct play and what you deserve for being far behind. yet illaoi can stand her ground, in the middle of the lane away from her turret, and outdamage you if she lands an e. what the hell is your reward for beating her down for 10 minutes and avoiding all her previous e's? same as all the other ones, you gain the initiative. A lot of champs get their ult and are ready to fight or they get an ability to level 9 with items and are ready to fight. And then theres any imperfections in your own gameplay that help out. Sometimes you have to level up and fight back risking everything to survive rather than sit back like a wuss but some people don't realize this and get rolled and cost their team the game actually.
they get rolled because they are 2 levels behind and 1.5k gold behind. you're not getting the concept where being far behind is supposed to be punishing and you cannot come out on top of a trade in which both players lands all their abilities. i dont know what else to tell you.
: > [{quoted}](name=BigIdea,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2wYkaMJp,comment-id=0004000100000000,timestamp=2016-06-23T02:03:59.124+0000) > > i have faced nearly all of these and they all crumble to a lane bully after dying a few times in lane. having the kit doesn't mean they can be a wuss and still get results
not sure what your point is. but speaking of wusses, you're supposed to play like a wuss after falling far behind and wait for your team to help you catch up. that's the correct play and what you deserve for being far behind. yet illaoi can stand her ground, in the middle of the lane away from her turret, and outdamage you if she lands an e. what the hell is your reward for beating her down for 10 minutes and avoiding all her previous e's?
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