: PSA: the spell thief's change isn't as bad as it seems.
Yes, this is an old post, but the idea is back once again for spellthief/sickle. Simply: 1. If you have a timid adc, then you are screwed as support. 2. If you have an adc that feeds or repeatedly mispositions and dies, then you are screwed as support. 3. If you are playing an enchanter in a losing lane where the adc is inept, then you are screwed as support. 3. If you are playing a support which is not a tank, then you are screwed as support. Pure and simple, it means that once again, Riot thinks of helping supports as an afterthought - after dealing with the other roles/lanes. This is once again an example of why we as support mains can't have nice things. Not only are we left with terrible utility items, have to make do with less gold than other lanes, and this season have to make do with less xp (meaning that a support which does his/her job will be 2-3 levels behind the other roles - especially this season where the xp sharing really punishes supports), but now the horrible support items they left us with this season are now being made even worse. Great! Bravo Riot! (sarcasm intended) Is this your solution to getting more players playing jungle in lower tiers? Have them quit playing in the botlane, period? Are you saying that more of us support and adc mains should follow Tyler1 out of botlane and start playing jungle? Please Riot - stop treating the botlane as the entertainment and punching bag of other lanes...
: so soraka sucks really bad now.
Wait til the new proposed spellthief/sickle nerfs. It's going to suck even more playing as support (let alone playing our dear Soraka on botlane).
: Tanks in 2020 lul
It's not tanks in 2020 - look at the recent changes, esp. the cinderhulk/Bami's changes in 10.4. The tanks are coming. However, I seem to hint that we could be headed to yet another #adc2020 (and I suspect #support2020) in the near future though.
: What's Riot's response to damage?
Riot's response to damage is to nerf the heck out of Soraka and Sona. They don't get the fact that the reason why those two went top was because tanks weren't practical on top and it had become an island of bruisers.
: I really miss Nexus Blitz
I miss Blitz, Treeline and Ascension. But Riot seems to want to put resources elsewhere. So what can you do as the consumer of the product, but not the person controlling the product?
: I love this game. Ladder games are well balanced with boosters and premades.
: There needs to be a toggle to auto ban CertainlyT's champions before queuing up.
Warwick, Thresh and Zyra have some of CertainlyT's fingerprints on them. At least other devs were able to tone back some of his overtuning.
HideSide (EUNE)
: So lets find the solution for our Riot dev team.
Simple solution - just drop the price of the tank items enough and the assassins/bruisers will fall out of the meta. Currently, the assassins just scale so fast that a tank player cannot build stuff fast enough to counter the executes, true damage and percent health damage.
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: {{item:3003}} build this and you will never have to worry about mana again and you can 1 shot everyone too.
> [{quoted}](name=ProphetOfDraven,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tqgsnlYx,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2020-02-12T20:33:32.444+0000) > > {{item:3003}} build this and you will never have to worry about mana again and you can 1 shot everyone too. After the proposed changes on the PBE, you better get two of them plus a ROA.
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: Watch E-Sports Final Mission
At least you are getting missions completed. I have watched OCE, LPL and Japan games and not have them count at all towards the watching missions.
: Runes Bug
First this patch it was the bugged support items (still not fixed). Now, we can't even have the runes we want in game. Cmon Riot - get your damned act in order.
: people are abusing the support item in the top lane
The support changes directly and indirectly are already making things sub-optimal for supports. We miss the cooldown on the support item. If we have an adc that is really bad or dcs, then the support is screwed. The minion penalty means that a non-laner such as the jungler can take minions if behind or needing to snowball, but the support is a lost cause. On top of that, the removal of coin has left us with being forced to go either shield/buckler if we fear a bad adc cser - have you ever tried fighting with your adc for cannons??? C'mon - give us supports and our items a break! This is why we can't have good things...
egggz (NA)
: Support Item Ping
The bug happens with all four support items. Since 10.2, I have been encountering the following bugs: (a) you can't ping how much gold you have left in the support mission, (b) the tally is inaccurate and/or (c) the mission is not completing. (I did report it earlier - so no, you aren't alone. And the bug is consistently appearing - but I am seeing all 3 of the above problems.)
Jorski (NA)
: Something Needs To Be Done About Jungle
You'll be happy to see that they are buffing jungle xp. (Supports however still have to make do with being 3 to 4 levels behind everytime they step into the jungle to ward :( .)
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: Very disappointed with Sett Mecha Skin
Just disappointed here with the Mecha skins, period. They are just very underwhelming.
iEmily (NA)
: How isnt this fixed yet?
Most of the devs probably aren't back from their holidays til tomorrow, I think.
: game chat bug during champ select and after game lobby
This bug has been reported since 9.24a. Still continuing.
: Supports are more or less in the same spot they've been in for the last few seasons (post-ardent meta). We can get our first item faster, and generally we have a better impact on the early game. So it's really just the junglers that are getting held back with the exp changes.
> [{quoted}](name=RISE Shlack123,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lO87XlIl,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-12-23T22:56:14.773+0000) > > Supports are more or less in the same spot they've been in for the last few seasons (post-ardent meta). We can get our first item faster, and generally we have a better impact on the early game. So it's really just the junglers that are getting held back with the exp changes. Not really true. The support item changes are worse than the season 5 spell thief/coin/relic shield and definitely worse than the post-ardent spell thief/coin/relic shield. The farm handicaps which we got this pre-season (created by non-supports who abused the support items when Klepto was a thing) really hurt if you want to play a damage support or if you have an adc who afks or is really really bad. On top of that, if you roam as a support to ward (and that is a support job), then you really get hammered on the xp side of the equation. Both support and jungle are getting punished for doing their respective jobs. It would be nice if there was a line of support "secondary/utility" items that were tied to that millstone support item that support players could purchase that actually feel useful. (Too many good items for supports get removed / nerfed because other roles start to abuse them.)
: Ivern has been a strong damage champion since release Only meta Slaves Only built shield buff ivern with his shield that Hardly Scaled well because it was used in pro but pros make decisive plays which is why shields are more powerful for them unlike in solo que.
> [{quoted}](name=LordGeovanni,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lO87XlIl,comment-id=00050002,timestamp=2019-12-24T02:23:32.026+0000) > > Ivern has been a strong damage champion since release Only meta Slaves Only built shield buff ivern with his shield that Hardly Scaled well because it was used in pro but pros make decisive plays which is why shields are more powerful for them unlike in solo que. Debatable. If you do go "damage Ivern", then you are struggling against the Krug gold/xp handicap when trying to build damage items.
: Lets not pretend that Midlane hasn't been the strongest role for a long time and it has been buffed further this PreSeason because **Yes**
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lO87XlIl,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-12-23T12:53:49.124+0000) > > Lets not pretend that Midlane hasn't been the strongest role for a long time and it has been buffed further this PreSeason because **Yes** I still long for the days where there was less complicated assassin champs and simple mages in botlane.
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: Let's talk about Morgana
I would be happy if they buffed the other supports - and maybe left Morgana (and maybe Soraka) where they were.
Neriticc (EUW)
: Why is Ardent not being fixed?
Pity, it was one of the things on Ivern that was actually helpful.
: Patch 9.24b notes
Still stuck with the same awful support items, I see.
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: P.S. Funny how the entire thread had + 19 votes and in 1 hour swung to -48. Way to go trolls :)
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PBsd6mKh,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-12-13T02:06:24.219+0000) > > P.S. Funny how the entire thread had + 19 votes and in 1 hour swung to -48. Way to go trolls :) It's that time of the year. Some school kids are already on winter/ Christmas break and are already bored so they are trolling the forums.
: You need to realize that discovering the auto attack resets in mage champion kits are key to maximizing their effectiveness, clenching kills, and in Katarina's case, it's often a situation of resetting her skills. If I didn't auto attack on Morgana, I would literally refund the champion. Try {{item:3070}} > {{item:3504}} > {{item:3174}} > {{item:3003}} On Nami. I guarantee you won't think she's mana hungry.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PBsd6mKh,comment-id=0008000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-13T02:11:33.181+0000) > > You need to realize that discovering the auto attack resets in mage champion kits are key to maximizing their effectiveness, clenching kills, and in Katarina's case, it's often a situation of resetting her skills. > > If I didn't auto attack on Morgana, I would literally refund the champion. > > Try {{item:3070}} > {{item:3504}} > {{item:3174}} > {{item:3003}} On Nami. I guarantee you won't think she's mana hungry. She tends to be a bit more mana hungry in the lower tiers when you are having to save the adc a lot more from their own stupidity - if you are playing "more old school support" style in lane. Also I should note that the new support item has no mana (at least until the latest PBE changes go through).
: it could also be part of their "change is good" development cycle where they just make change for the sake of change
> [{quoted}](name=3TWarrior,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PBsd6mKh,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-12-12T15:53:54.250+0000) > > it could also be part of their "change is good" development cycle where they just make change for the sake of change I think you might be onto something. That's quite possible.
: If Nami is getting her E to buff spells then maybe Riot are trying to open enchanters to supporting mages? Would like to see enchanters able to buff classes other than the Marksmen/Ad-fighter.
> [{quoted}](name=2Charmnot2Charm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PBsd6mKh,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-12-12T13:18:11.813+0000) > > If Nami is getting her E to buff spells then maybe Riot are trying to open enchanters to supporting mages? > > Would like to see enchanters able to buff classes other than the Marksmen/Ad-fighter. There does seem to be something happening in terms of making enchanters more flexible. Think of Yuumi recently for example.
: Thank you riot for getting rid of the Penalty on Support..... but why a Nami Buff?
Just read through the changes - it seems like we are getting a bit of common sense back on the support side of things. I looked at the math on Nami and the history of the changes - it looks a bit like the Nami change is part of a grander scheme on the enchanter support front (think of the recent Soraka and Janna changes as part of it and maybe we need to keep an eye on Lulu in the near future). So, I am holding back on my criticism of the PBE experiment for now. Let's see what the Riot dev cards are for supports...
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: Can we get Mana nerfs in the preseason?
Congrats you got your wish on botlane. Us supports have to suffer now because of your wish - I guess a Riot dev. heard your cries. So now us enchanter players are left playing with "tank support" items because spellthief/scythe are awful and there is no longer a coin.
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: Co-op vs AI is flooded by botting
Try being a player that wants to work on their enchanter supports. Bot game usually is not a bad place to practice this (while getting some xp). Currently, you just can't work on the skills that you would normally in-game because of all the xp farmers.
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: The lost ladies of League, who are long overdue for a skin.
At least my Zilean is getting one. Took 4 years - but eventually he got one.
: I'm Just Trying to Play an AI Game
Try being in a game where all 4 are XP farming accounts, which I encountered getting a daily done on one of my alt accounts. That was a rough one. (On this account, I had one game where there was three of them - and one newbie player. Also rough.)
Proxy345 (NA)
: Ivern was a mistake.
The irony is that as I read this, Ivern has a higher playrate currently than 51 other champions if one checks on Champion.gg and u.gg. Also, couldn't the argument be made that Kai'sa has a high popularity due to the fact that her kit has long been acknowledged to be overloaded? Her character lacks personality, and, really, if people had a choice, they would just as much prefer to play Vayne, if Vayne was open as an alternative if she too were strong in all phases of the game.
: Honor 5 Shop Stuff
Currently, it's not exactly a payoff for being honourable....
: playing pyke doesnt feel fun anymore :/
If this was a coin thread, then I would have voted you up easily. But instead you made it a Pyke thread...
: Please bring back Ancient Coin
Please! Please Riot - bring it back. Having use the Shoulderguards and Relic Shield is torture in lower tiers - especially with adcs who keep on denying us the opportunity to hit anything other than the ranged minions.
Trias000 (EUNE)
: When I press space, it sometimes locks my screen
I had my pings causing me to jump outside of the game. Ping ward here and you are out of the game. Ping enemy MIA and you are out of the game. Nothing wrong with the keyboard setup, Windows, hardware - could only trace the issue to the game itself.
blue38k (NA)
: Game suddenly freezes (again)
I gave up on ranked this season because of the client and game. Not worth facing multiple relegations because of matters outside one's control.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XJP2Oggq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-10T14:11:06.110+0000) > > It's called Sanguine Blade. Overloaded new item. > > otherwise, her sustain is okay and outlaned by enchanters. The problem is she is more adc than support, and has great sustain + any sustain sup... yeah make the math.
> [{quoted}](name=Light of Madness,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XJP2Oggq,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-10T14:12:46.285+0000) > > The problem is she is more adc than support, and has great sustain + any sustain sup... yeah make the math. As many of the streamers who did their PBE reviews have said, she does feel a bit more support-like than adc-like (if you play a chunk of botlane games, then you'd get it). It does look like she was released a bit stronger than where she will fall (in terms of her starting design) though.
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