: It performs about 1.5 times as well as the LoL MOBA...
Well yeah the Lol MOBA is even worse
: when you sell champs they go back to the pool, later game means less pool variety- and if you sell 2 silvers and a bronze youre adding 7 of that one champ back into the pool.
I mean once people start dying the pool starts opening up again
: TFT gone from play list
Yeah Riot realized it was bad so they got rid of it.
wolvius (EUW)
: https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Aatrox And this is why I use the fandom site, even if riots worked it still has more details and info including some things like how irelia Q dash speed being unaffected by slows. Or being able to switch between aatrox q1-q3 differing damage and ratios. Edit: IIRC doesn't caitlyns page and in-game ability state it has zero base damage. Edit2: nevermind her passive doesn't even have text.
> [{quoted}](name=wolvius,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=fh1RlJWo,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-29T17:33:46.297+0000) > > https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Aatrox > > And this is why I use the fandom site, even if riots worked it still has more details and info including some things like how irelia Q dash speed being unaffected by slows. > Or being able to switch between aatrox q1-q3 differing damage and ratios. > > Edit: IIRC doesn't caitlyns page and in-game ability state it has zero base damage. > Edit2: nevermind her passive doesn't even have text. I think her passive damage is specified in like her w or something since her w scales it or some weird shit like that.
D357R0Y3R (EUW)
: How did Azir get back to S tier in pro play?
I mean they keep cutting his numbers and mechanics, but has he lost his ranged pushing power, his mobility, or his long-ranged air engage that also doubles as hard-disengage? Like, I know all those things have been repeatedly nerfed, but has he actually lost any of them?
Barkley (NA)
: Oh no! Illaoi used her ult! What do we do!?
To be fair, being able to completely reject an engage is very powerful when complementing the right team - set her up with a poke mage and a splitpush jungle and just watch the enemy team melt down trying to figure out whether to engage at 3/4 hp on Illaoi 5v4 under turret or just give up.
Yenn (NA)
: My lane is 3-0-0 at level 6. I'm being 100 to 0'd in a single combo. I can't play the game.
I mean how many kills do you think a burst champion should need to get before they can 100-0 their lane opponent at level 6? Like obviously this is a super frustrating situation for you, and it sucks, but I feel like it's kinda the natural result of feeding a champion oriented around Hurst combos nearly 1k gold before they hit 6...?
: Fuck Jungle
I used to play mid, because I liked to farm up a bit and play around cooldowns and resource management. Then I played tanks for a bit, because I liked to feel durable, and to refute enemy attempts at aggression. Then I played a lot of jungle, because I liked the opportunity to farm up a bit and focus on countering the enemy team's lead. Eventually, I realised that the ways I enjoyed winning were exactly what Riot kept pushing out of the game, 'cause they're "boring": Patience, strategy, insight, knowledge, juggling distance, and tight, coordinated defense have all become practically worthless in favor of micro mechanics, quick-twitch reflexes, relentless aggression, and raw statistical power. I used to enjoy baiting enemies to overextend into me and then punishing their aggression with the help of the wave, or their tower. Now a small power advantage or a numbers advantage or even just the advantage of taking the first shot rules king, and you will be easily dived, your carefully timed defenses crumbling shortly before your tower does. Now I don't play the game at all.
: Make frozen gauntlet melee only please?
Easy fix for when items can't be made melee-only because it would screw over some niche low-ranged user: make the proc only work in melee. You could even give frozen gauntlet the damage as if it were sheen at range, single target with no slow, but have the aoe slow field only occur in melee range. That way anyone can buy it and can use it equally, ranged champions could use it...in melee range. Also fixes edge cases of Yasuo and GP getting to use "Melee only" aa affects at range.
: Riot under investigation?
I wish I could say I was surprised.
: Are we ever gonna get the champion themes on other sources other than youtube like Spotify?
Everything's on Soundcloud and can be freely downloaded to mp3, which could then be listened to through Spotify if that's your wish. https://soundcloud.com/leagueoflegends
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Bazerka (NA)
: TFT - What do y'all think?
I uninstalled league a few months ago, finally giving up on the idea of playing it again. This is sorely tempting me to reconsider. The strength and the weakness of the other rotating modes was that as much as they varied, they were still fundamentally League, with the same constantly creeping skill floor that punishes you dramatically for taking a break, and if you just weren't feeling League at the moment they weren't likely to tempt you back. This is fundamentally different, and I like it.
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Power Mac (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Anivia OTP,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FIqJTvdp,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-06T08:21:07.574+0000) > > Like it or not , what you just said , is horrible > He is a human being and have the right to not be threatened, be understood, and not mocked > > mocking him is the proof that you possess an abysmally low social intelligence, > please consider social context next time Besides, some people seem to have a hard time understanding that threatening someone is a crime: the net isn't a no man's land.
Not just a crime, a federal crime. Always funny to imagine the type of cowards that make these threats trying to explain why they thought it was funny to an FBI agent without a sense of humor.
ApexRiven (EUW)
: I tihnk i may quite playing toplane honesly. This role suck
Honestly, I played with every role a bit (at a relatively low level) and mid felt by far the most consistent. Top felt way too swingy and isolated from the game, too many picks you're forced to fight whether or not you have any chance of beating. Jungle there's too much pressure to get everything right, you have to balance farm with ganks with counterganks, and it's again too swingy, you don't have to get too far behind before trying to farm your camps is inting against a team determined to keep you behind. Bot was my weakest lane, super snowbally and the biggest target for everyone else in the game to fuck with. Mid, if you pick something safe with a steady power curve (I always went with Morg) you can defend pretty well against other people pressuring you, you can play from behind without feeling worthless, and if you're confident in your abilities it's astonishing how much having a midlaner that consistently doesn't int to assassin's, gets decent (for the skill level) farm, and can hold a tower can add to an otherwise hopeless-seeming game. No shocker it's the only role anyone actually wants to queue for anymore.
: Mandatory Arbitration Still There For Current Riot Employees
Yeah anyway I hope Riot doesn't think this is just going to go away
: one thing that someone pointed out is the timing of the release. news is flooded with TL winning and they release this now. so the theory is that itll just blow over as this is there "final statement" pretty much. also, streamers only do charity streams which are easy to do. there are no streamers that promote things that are good for society such as how to reduce climate change, doing big events irl/attending (That actually matter, not something to do with a game), or promoting veganism. its just profits for streamers. they are just gamers, after all. And most of them just say "yeah, im playing X game for money, moved to X game cuz money reason. They don't have really any passion those people. Just looking for an easy life.
> [{quoted}](name=XJ99999999999999,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=hWV3Rsrg,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-17T18:48:27.145+0000) > > one thing that someone pointed out is the timing of the release. news is flooded with TL winning and they release this now. so the theory is that itll just blow over as this is there "final statement" pretty much. > > also, streamers only do charity streams which are easy to do. there are no streamers that promote things that are good for society such as how to reduce climate change, doing big events irl/attending (That actually matter, not something to do with a game), or promoting veganism. its just profits for streamers. they are just gamers, after all. And most of them just say "yeah, im playing X game for money, moved to X game cuz money reason. > > They don't have really any passion those people. Just looking for an easy life. Your first point is a good one, I don't follow the Esports scene so I wasn't aware of the timing. As for streamers lacking passion, you may be right, but plenty of them have come out on the record against Riot before, and especially for some of the more...combative ones, it would be pretty on-brand to castigate Riot for treating their employees like shit. Obviously they wouldn't all go for it, but I'd be surprised if a genuine, well calibrated effort at outreach couldn't secure the at least verbal support of two-to-three medium names, which would be valuable on its own and could potentially start a conversation. And it's not like Riot could easily retaliate without it just blowing up in their face further and probably improving the streamers' ratings. Everyone loves an underdog.
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: From 2-4pm PST Please don't play, Support Riot Employees
Our boycott might not have the numbers to put direct financial pressure on Riot, but this is like the third or fourth decently upvoted thread about the walkout, which shows that by and large if there's a bigger conflict players will take the side of the employees. Hopefully the employees know they have our support if they need it.
: Hey guys! It's come a bit to my attention that the current thread is a bit... *heated*. While I completely get why this discussion is passionate and why things are getting heated easily, I ask you all to respect each other and to keep debates civil, or else I'll have to lock the thread. Thank you for understanding!
> [{quoted}](name=Attysu The Poro,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=5qzvVOJ5,comment-id=0020,timestamp=2019-05-03T01:28:18.785+0000) > > Hey guys! > > It's come a bit to my attention that the current thread is a bit... *heated*. While I completely get why this discussion is passionate and why things are getting heated easily, I ask you all to respect each other and to keep debates civil, or else I'll have to lock the thread. Thank you for understanding! It feels more like the thread is being derailed by a heated side-argument than that the topic of the thread is an issue, wouldn't it make more sense to address the derailment than lock the entire thread?
: Players behind Riot employee walkout
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/T2YlikvU-riot-games-employees-reportedly-plan-walkout-to-protest-company-policies Yeah, ignoring the stupid sjw discourse, I think players are, by and large, in favor of Riot employees organizing themselves. Hell, I'd donate to a strike fund I they set one up.
tech2555 (NA)
: ->lives near Riot's Main Campus Area ->pulls up chair on Monday Can't wait to document this for educational purposes. (Good thing I also don't play anymore)
> [{quoted}](name=tech2555,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=T2YlikvU,comment-id=0017,timestamp=2019-05-01T04:32:42.402+0000) > > ->lives near Riot's Main Campus Area > ->pulls up chair on Monday > Can't wait to document this for educational purposes. (Good thing I also don't play anymore) Bake them some cookies or something. Or at least make enough popcorn to share. These guys and gals work their asses off to make a game for us to play, the least we can do is back them up when management doesn't take their concerns seriously - the shit the guy got temporarily suspended for would probably get this post deleted if I actually wrote it out.
: Isn't this political? I thought there was a rule....
> [{quoted}](name=Minimac2000,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=T2YlikvU,comment-id=0016,timestamp=2019-05-01T03:38:04.770+0000) > > Isn't this political? I thought there was a rule.... This is directly relevant to the game, has nothing to do with broader, more contentious politics, and would look really really bad to delete. Believe it or not, the mods are a lot smarter than people give them credit for.
: Riot should just move out of California... They wouldn't need to deal with the same level of insanity if they were in Chicago or Philadelphia. They should move headquarters and take the opportunity to prune their staff of people who don't get along with their coworkers and are constantly trying to orchestrate sabotage for their own misguided ambitions. "I didn't get a promotion so I am going to sue or stage a walkout" ...Yeah, like that kind of disloyal troublemaker should be in a position of control and they totally deserve any sort of reward... People are free to seek other employment if they're not satisfied with their job. People are also free to negotiate with their employer, but suing and publicly protesting your employer can't be rewarded without setting a bad precedent. These people need to move on if their relationship with the company has degraded so much, and if they won't move on then they should be incentivized to leave.
> [{quoted}](name=Hemulen Magi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=T2YlikvU,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2019-04-30T22:12:00.542+0000) > > Riot should just move out of California... They wouldn't need to deal with the same level of insanity if they were in Chicago or Philadelphia. They should move headquarters and take the opportunity to prune their staff of people who don't get along with their coworkers and are constantly trying to orchestrate sabotage for their own misguided ambitions. "I didn't get a promotion so I am going to sue or stage a walkout" ...Yeah, like that kind of disloyal troublemaker should be in a position of control and they totally deserve any sort of reward... People are free to seek other employment if they're not satisfied with their job. People are also free to negotiate with their employer, but suing and publicly protesting your employer can't be rewarded without setting a bad precedent. These people need to move on if their relationship with the company has degraded so much, and if they won't move on then they should be incentivized to leave. Lol this guy thinks that moving from LA to Chicago or Philadelphia would solve Riot's issue with their workers organizing. BRB gotta enter arbitration with him to discuss a claim for my ice-coffee I just spit all over my goddamn screen.
: > [{quoted}](name=BobaFlautist,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=T2YlikvU,comment-id=00110000,timestamp=2019-04-30T16:39:07.640+0000) > > The walk-out described in the article doesn't _directly_ affect you, the consumer though I believe it's definitely relevant to your interests. > > The part of my post you quoted was commentary on the forced arbitration clause in the EULA and how, legally, playing League revokes your right to sue Riot for any reason, including illegal business practices. > > You know, the reassuring practices of a company definitely not out to exploit its customers. i'm personally no law student or a lawyer or something so idk the details. but from what i've read here arbitration has both benefits and draw backs for consumers/employees. that is if i understand you correctly that this arbitration stuff is also part of the TOS? anyway they're a company obviously they'll put their "safety" before mine. I've not been exploited by riot so far, idk anyone who has been either. I don't 100% trust riot obviously, but i don't believe they're actively trying to make the game worse or their employees miserable. Changes in the game industry are coming wether riot wants it or not. Loads of shit piling up and devs are done with it.
> [{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=T2YlikvU,comment-id=001100000000,timestamp=2019-04-30T17:08:00.506+0000) > > i'm personally no law student or a lawyer or something so idk the details. but from what i've read here arbitration has both benefits and draw backs for consumers/employees. that is if i understand you correctly that this arbitration stuff is also part of the TOS? > > anyway they're a company obviously they'll put their "safety" before mine. I've not been exploited by riot so far, idk anyone who has been either. > I don't 100% trust riot obviously, but i don't believe they're actively trying to make the game worse or their employees miserable. > > Changes in the game industry are coming wether riot wants it or not. Loads of shit piling up and devs are done with it. There's a lot of complexities in the way arbitration is set up, but to make it simple here's some reasons it's generally not trusted as a proper alternative to civil suits for customer/corporation disputes: 1. The arbitration company is a customer of the corporation. Not only does this mean they're more likely to take the side of the corporation, their policies are limited to what the corporation will accept. 2. The customer has to declare a claim value, and the arbitrator can't award them more than this value. Many customers don't realize just how badly they've been exploited until the process dives into it, and request too little money. 3. Most arbitration is confidential. This means Riot could have entered arbitration with hundreds of mistreated customers and we wouldn't know, as opposed to lawsuits which are public. 4. Many arbitration clauses forbid class-action claims, which is when customers with the same issue band together and share resources and information to bring action against a large corporation. This pretty much only ever happens when there's a pattern of systemic misbehaviour, and is an important tool in keeping companies accountable. The U.S. Supreme Court just ruled 5-4 that forced arbitration clauses forbidding class actions is constitutional, I'll let you guess which justices were the 5 and which were the four. 5. Lastly, why would corporations force customers to waive their right to litigation in favor of arbitration of it was truly an equivalent, level playing field? They wouldn't.
: > in case you thought the friendly persona meant your favorite game company was less anti-consumer than every other U.S. corporation. how exactly does this affect me? ya kno, the consumer. I'm not gonna go in depth on the whole riot situation. We've discussed this plenty on here. simply put: actual sexual harrasment is bad, some shit here was heavily blown outta proportion. and i don't think tryndamere and ryze are some kinda crazy assholes that are trying to create a shitty workplace.
> [{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=T2YlikvU,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2019-04-30T16:24:46.251+0000) > > how exactly does this affect me? ya kno, the consumer. > > I'm not gonna go in depth on the whole riot situation. We've discussed this plenty on here. simply put: actual sexual harrasment is bad, some shit here was heavily blown outta proportion. and i don't think tryndamere and ryze are some kinda crazy assholes that are trying to create a shitty workplace. The walk-out described in the article doesn't _directly_ affect you, the consumer, though I believe it's definitely relevant to your interests. The part of my post you quoted was commentary on the forced arbitration clause in the EULA and how, legally, playing League revokes your right to sue Riot for any reason, including illegal business practices. You know, the reassuring practices of a company definitely not out to exploit its customers.
Vacus (NA)
: The article notes that the company wants to have employees talk to the company alone/in small groups. Some people may wonder why I bother pointing that out. It's because the only reason to do that is if you want to be able to tell different things to different people.
> [{quoted}](name=Vacus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=T2YlikvU,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-29T22:14:01.255+0000) > > The article notes that the company wants to have employees talk to the company alone/in small groups. Some people may wonder why I bother pointing that out. > > It's because the only reason to do that is if you want to be able to tell different things to different people. Yeah, the whole "Just give us your names and come in one at a time, you can trust us" is really not a good look.
Eedat (NA)
: > For those that don't know, "arbitration" is a tool large corporations use to block lawsuits - generally it prevents consumers/employees from banding together and forces them to air their grievances "one-on-one" where the one is the individual employee or consumer and the other one is the entire legal team of the corporation. Uhhhhh this is an extremely inaccurate description
> [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=T2YlikvU,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-29T22:08:34.753+0000) > > Uhhhhh this is an extremely inaccurate description It's definitely a bit exaggerated for affect, but I think it captures pretty well the major criticisms of arbitration. Feel free to chime in with a more precise description if you feel like I genuinely mischaracterized it.
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: > [{quoted}](name=BobaFlautist,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VPG4ORv5,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-26T22:12:51.564+0000) > Is it 10x as interesting as their period of "Every champion has to be the same, there are super rigid rules that no champion can ever break, and this game is a Serious Esport™ so everything has to be edgy and colorless and boring"? Also yes. I miss old Akali, before she got hyper-weebed up with the super-mobile mini-game mechanic that other squishy toplaners got, like Fiora, and Irelia. And I'm going to miss AP Morde's HULK SMASH Mace of Spades build, I hope he gets a similar treatment of Yuumi's design philosophy.
> [{quoted}](name=KittyKatPet,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VPG4ORv5,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-26T22:30:47.323+0000) > > I miss old Akali, before she got hyper-weebed up with the super-mobile mini-game mechanic that other squishy toplaners got, like Fiora, and Irelia. And I'm going to miss AP Morde's HULK SMASH Mace of Spades build, I hope he gets a similar treatment of Yuumi's design philosophy. Yeah, there's plenty I miss, plenty of specific decisions or champions I disagree with - but for a while there it felt like Riot was flattening every champion, lining them up next to each other and cutting off everything that stuck out too much. Now it feels like they're trying to sharpen them more, and allow each champion to be absolutely absurd at at least one thing - and I much prefer that model.
: "I haven't played LoL in years. What's it like now?"
I'm really happy Riot has slowly returned to their roots of just the most ridiculous, unnecessary shit. Does it lead to unbalanceable, frustrating messes and an extremely volatile gamestate? Yes. Is it 10x as interesting as their period of "Every champion has to be the same, there are super rigid rules that no champion can ever break, and this game is a Serious Esport™ so everything has to be edgy and colorless and boring"? Also yes.
: Remember the mage itemisation update that was supposed to bring diversity to builds?
Which one? There were at least 3, and your post applies to pretty much all of them.
Critty92 (EUNE)
: How to counter Hecarim?
Ward or get your team to ward his jungle so you know where he starts. Get a sense of how long his clear takes and don't push early when he has a chance to gank and you haven't seen him on the map. Deep ward mid game, buy pinks and consider blue trinket - even if he clears it, you'll know where he is and can replace it - and preventing ganks is priceless. Assuming he doesn't snowball, his mid and lategame aren't great - he's a mid-tier duelist at best, and his teamfight is actually pretty weak as long as you don't clump up for his ult. His biggest strength at that point is making picks, so don't wander alone without wars coverage.
: Lolalytics, would link but on phone. Will later
Interesting stuff. According to the website, she's (more or less) rivaled at this by Taric and Sona (which makes sense), and then Yi is just a bit further down. On the other side of the spectrum, we have Udyr and Rek'sai, which also makes sense.
: Kayle's win rate for 35 min games is 60%
Based on what website? Can you give us a link?
: Why are Mages damage getting lowered and Tank damage are getting buffed?
Because mages do too much damage and tanks don't do enough damage.
: Yi highlander changes.
I mean to be fair "just minion block him" was never the most fair and engaging counterplay against Yi.
: Yes, Please Keep Buffing Rene like Top lane doesn't need more broken champions
Hey, op, I don't necessarily think you're wrong, but can you do me a favor? Can you name for me a fair top laner? Yeah, just one (1). Any. Any top laner that is fair. Please? Because the way I see it, any champion that has ever been viable top lane has had at least one (and often more than one!) of the following apply to them: 1. Scaling champion, safe enough to always survive lane and doesn't care if they get farm or not. 2. Waveclear that lets them constantly push and ignore your lane phase. 3. Mechanical design that allows them full agency over fights and lets them ignore your lane phase if it's stronger than theirs (this includes ranged picks). 4. Autowins all-ins against champions not also in this category for 75%+ of the game, mostly ignoring hp, item, and level advantages, and sometimes even 2v1.
: Zoe has a 55% win rate on PRO PLAY. Maybe it time to rework her W.
Her W minion bubbles should be scripted for the first 5-10 minutes. Or not exist, tbh.
: Sunfire Cape / Cinderhulk Scale with AP?
I think it would be far more appropriate to give it a (small) percentage health ratio.
: You do realize morg is mindless as all hell? You just sit in lane w the cs then roam with one of the easiest skillshots in the game and a aoe stun, meanwhile you throw black sheild on ur adc so nobody can cc him. Look at her fkn winrate ffs.
> [{quoted}](name=RD Savacixd,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oysobAxe,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-04-08T01:20:32.305+0000) > > one of the easiest skillshots in the game Lol I was gonna say you had a point until you said this
: You do realize the duration of W is substantially lower, and he can generally get it off easy simply by R-ing one direction, forcing Morg to stay in its path?
I'll concede that it's lower duration than I think of it. It still doesn't have great range and Morg can still hold her E until she doesn't need to worry about being hit by his w, as well as consistently land her Q on any all-in attempt - unless you're telling me that he can kill her before she hits the ground.
: No..... literally.... his W does enough damage at any point in the game to completely destroy her shield, allowing him to Brittle anyways. He can miss his entire ult and kill Morgana, no holds barred.
I mean this is clearly assuming Morgana consistently stands in the full duration of his w, which she shouldn't, and is stupid enough to keep using e before he Ws, which shouldn't happen more than once, but my point still stands: the fact that it's % hp is completely irrellevant, it's just as good against her e as any other moderately powerful magic damage poke in the game. That's why Morg has never been particularly great against poke mages.
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: Still can't believe they're going through with Morgana damage nerfs.
I don't really have any thoughts about the rest of your post but I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what you meant about Ornn's W's max hp damage countering Morgana's shield. There's nothing about it being max HP damage that makes it counter her shield more than any other damage ability, and I have no idea what would make you think otherwise. We're you just trying to say that poke can knock off her shield and his w is poke...?
: Dont ban champs in ARAM! Join the resistance!!
Sona had a 70%+ ARAM winrate. Just rolling Sona on your team gave you a greater than 2/3 chance to win, despite there being 9 other random champion rolls, and 10 random player rolls. It's entirely appropriate for ARAM to have bans.
: If we treated the jungle changes the same way that people treated the ADC changes
> [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EEhpLgZt,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-03-28T19:02:33.085+0000) > > "more champions are viable in the jungle, it's for the best" That's kinda funny, because that's exactly wrong. Most major jungle nerds significantly restrict the roster to what was already the healthiest, most consistent meta, because champions with more fragile clears or a higher dependency on gold/xp are just non-options. Jungle mains are lore likely to complain about the stagnation and limited options, it's considered unhealthy for the jungle to have fewer than two or three possible archetypes available at once whereas adcs were legitimately freaking the fuck out because 2-3 individual chanpions from ONE OTHER ARCHETYPE were playable in their slot. Dom (Iwilldominate) actually commented on this recently, junglers are expected to have basic proficiency in pretty much every type of champion and in multiple playstyles (farm heavy, gank heavy, counterjungling focused, etc) because Riot has proven their willingness to gut the meta strat in any given patch; by contrast adcs, again, threw a fucking fit when they were asked to learn to play one other champion type.
: The sharp spike in getting autofilled JG should be a wakeup call to Riot
Jungle is absolutely _not_ too weak. But it _does_ feel like shit.
: So i just got crushed in lane by a Nautilus i initially went 2/0 against
If you're Diamond I assume you landed your shit and used your explodey legs. W couple of things that are worth noting about Nautilus: 1. He's melee with, pre six, one way of getting on you on a fairly long CD. It's fair that it's incumbent on you to dodge his Q 'cause if you do dodge it he doesn't get to fight you, just sit there and take poke. 2. His E does pretty solid dps, with the limitations of a high Mana cost, and that he had to be pretty close range - if you're next to him you get hit by multiple e waves, which hits like a truck. If he gets on you with Q and spams e without you backing up, you're gonna have a bad time. 3. Lastly, not about Nautilus, and not necessarily a criticism, but Cull isn't a very gold-efficient item in terms of stats. It's going to do very little to help you all-in.
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