: 14 day account ban, flagged for quoting our toxic top laner [Murky Territory]
You retyped so probably IFS gave you a penalty. You're also flaming, using profanity & threatening.
: Hence why you corner your team with champs that don't move at the beginning. Akali, even if middle, will be forced to attack the middle right side, which if you have placed correctly, is tanky, and has its own immediate aggro on her. Teams with Draven for example, tend to target her almost immediately, and pop her just as fast as she would have popped them. P.S. I have Masters Coaches on playing, and once I learn a meta, I generally don't "not execute it right"
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=PEWYUrlJ,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T20:44:13.429+0000) > > Hence why you corner your team with champs that don't move at the beginning. Akali, even if middle, will be forced to attack the middle right side, which if you have placed correctly, is tanky, and has its own immediate aggro on her. Teams with Draven for example, tend to target her almost immediately, and pop her just as fast as she would have popped them. Cornering is inconsistent at best. There's no magical tanky guy that survives an Akali critical hit. 2* 6 brawler brawlers can get 1 shot. So if you have a spare blitzcrank3 and 6 brawler maybe he'll take two crits before dying. > > P.S. I have Masters Coaches on playing, and once I learn a meta, I generally don't "not execute it right" Are you sure? What's their name? LOL it's a good laugh when you realize who you're posting with.
: I've also been beat while playing it. Several times. I can have entire kit and still place #2 or #3, because someone did what I described above. Akali who is taken care of usually only gets to kill 1-2 champs. If you don't take care of her, she kills team. More often than I did with Nobles, I end up #7 or 8, because the build didn't go together in time, or I didn't get the gloves/swords.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=PEWYUrlJ,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:24:13.341+0000) > > I've also been beat while playing it. Several times. I can have entire kit and still place #2 or #3, because someone did what I described above. Akali who is taken care of usually only gets to kill 1-2 champs. If you don't take care of her, she kills team. > > More often than I did with Nobles, I end up #7 or 8, because the build didn't go together in time, or I didn't get the gloves/swords. It's not a top 1 comp every single game but you'll consistently hit top 4. For a top 4 comp it's also very over tuned at hitting top 1. You playing and not executing the build properly doesn't make it any less over-tuned. You can't simply "take care of" Akali because if you place her in the middle she could jump to either side...and she can one shot majority of units with minimal items.
: Literally your entire goal vs Wild/Assassin is to kill the one champion they put {{item:3031}} 's on. If you do, you'll usually aways win, because Wild lacks tankiness and power. If Pyke doesn't get Frozen Heart, the comp also usually falls apart. In Other words, track the two units they are trying to kill you with. Creating a Corner based team with mages and large aoe burst also wins, if they have a Brawler front line. Assassins can't backline a team that doesn't move on start. When forced to confront the front, they generally get nuked.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=PEWYUrlJ,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T11:05:56.434+0000) > > Literally your entire goal vs Wild/Assassin is to kill the one champion they put {{item:3031}} 's on. If you do, you'll usually aways win, because Wild lacks tankiness and power. > > If Pyke doesn't get Frozen Heart, the comp also usually falls apart. > > In Other words, track the two units they are trying to kill you with. > > Creating a Corner based team with mages and large aoe burst also wins, if they have a Brawler front line. Assassins can't backline a team that doesn't move on start. When forced to confront the front, they generally get nuked. It's more reliable than noble was because you only need 1 4* unit(akali) and many items/champs can work. Mages have no chance because they all get one clicked and additionally you can just put dragon claw on Akali. That's assuming you can even make it to mid/late game as sorc is insanely weak early/mid too. You've seen the power of wild/sins man don't even start.
: What is your objective when you enter a solo queue?
> [{quoted}](name=Project Riven,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fdTYVERr,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-05T20:12:44.405+0000) > > I left LOL for a few months to play Apex and after coming back, I see things much clearer than before when I was playing only LOL. The players mentality in Apex is so much more different than LOL. It's like they join a match, and their sole purpose is to help the team, play with the team, and win with the team. Even if it's a loss, it was still a good game. > Why do you think that is? > After coming back to LOL, I notice how much better I play because my focus is on helping the team. As I continue to play, I see my skill gradually go down because of some players just aren't in there to "work" with me, like they just do their own thing. I would ping OTW to gank, and my laner would just sit there. I leave bot side jungle and ping bot to be careful, they shove to turret and get ganked. > Different people prioritize different things. There's been plenty of times a jungler comes to gank when there's a full 2 1/2 waves at my turret. I don't want to give up a lot of that cs/exp to contribute to a gank especially if it has a low chance of working. > Simply put, it seems like a lot of LOL players join solo queue and tunnel vision into their own mind and plays. Ironically, they blame others for making bad plays. Everybody is playing bad unless you're like challenger...even then they make mistakes. > > So if your objective in a solo queue is to not work with your team, and rather be toxic and blaming, why do you even play this game? Your sole object should be "Okay we're in this together, let's work together and try to win". If the team team is urging to you group, you should group, or else, why are you in this match with them? > A lot of times the people crying to group don't understand the win conditions of the composition. I'm not grouping if I'm playing Tryndamere top lane. I'm taking towers in a split push setting in majority of games. I don't even play top lane that much but that gives you some insight on how a top laner probably thinks about those situations. I stopped playing summoner's rift for the most part. TFT is much more entertaining for me. > Anyways, a lot of LOL players need to stop playing LOL and play other games. You'd be surprised at how much more clearer the view is when you come back. Perhaps this would work for a lot of players. I think my view is pretty clear.
: Conflicted and afraid of losing account.
Play TFT instead. Summoner's Rift is actually an awful experience. People flame for anything and everything. They don't like your pick, your build, the fact that you took a few cs here or there when they weren't even in lane, how good or not good you are, etc. And if you try to respond back explaining your situation or why you're doing something you eventually will get a chat restriction of some kind. If you don't explain then you'll eventually get a ban for "not communicating with your teammates".
Papalug (NA)
: I have been falsely Permabanned
If you already got two weeks you shouldn't be typing at all. This is a lot of typing. > [{quoted}](name=Papalug,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vEnyNtOA,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-07T03:57:49.603+0000) > > Papalug: DIAMOND > Papalug: imagonna carry udelusional diamond > Papalug: hardstuck This is clearly rank shaming...and there's like multiple IFS words used. This is why you can't really type anymore. It's sad but that's how Riot chooses to enforce their TOS now.
FyreWall (NA)
: Stealing CS
It's very subjective. IMO the map resources are shared. So your 8/0 ADC probably shouldn't have to ask to take "your" red buff. And you probably shouldn't run and tax their lane if they take it. If you ping them and ask them not to take it they probably shouldn't take it. But as a "support" style jungler you should be okay parting with resources if its improving the strength of a more key member that increases your chances of winning.
: > [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kHtytAg7,comment-id=00040000000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-23T15:06:04.769+0000) > > I've talked about this already and Riot hasn't taken a position. > > Basically, it's a catch22. If Teemo leaves immediately as soon as Irelia pings him to leave it hurts the team significantly more. Therefore, as Teemo if you leave you're reducing the chances of your team winning vs maybe tilting your mid laner by staying. > > So either way you'll find "meta slaves" complaining that Teemo is either not trying his best to win or not communicating properly with the team. > > Additionally, you're "forcing your playstyle" upon the Teemo by pinging him after he stealths in a lane and trying to force him to leave. It's like spam pinging in the middle of a gank instead of trying to assist your jungler/teammates. Teemo's presence in lane stays longer but the concept is the same. Ever heard of roaming?... BTW mid-laner said to leave in chat. I don't care about this anymore, what's done is done, we'll see what RIOT does in the future about this.
> [{quoted}](name=NotDTOPuRLkn4,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kHtytAg7,comment-id=000400000003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-29T02:17:14.857+0000) > > Ever heard of roaming?... > BTW mid-laner said to leave in chat. So? Mid laner and support have their own strategic ideas. That's a strategic disagreement which is supposed to be okay. Why is the support treated like a slave? The expectation is ridiculous. They must leave or go where ever their teammates tell them or else banned? What if Teemo leaves mid and goes top and top is like "LEAVE" then bot lane does the same? > I don't care about this anymore, what's done is done, we'll see what RIOT does in the future about this. They'll be wildly inconsistent, punish off-meta players more severely even while claiming to do the opposite & probably let the trolls do whatever they want unless they have an insider Riot friend in the game OR get seriously called out.
Vreivai (NA)
: Yeah, I was being kind of tongue-in-cheek there to highlight the difference in enforcement depending upon who has a problem with you, and how WookieeCookie very strongly implied that certain things are only breaking the rules if you do it to a streamer. With the way Riot (and tech companies in general) enforce their rules, I wouldn't risk playing off-meta at all.
> [{quoted}](name=Vreivai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FHX7EVTi,comment-id=0002000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T06:24:37.156+0000) > > With the way Riot (and tech companies in general) enforce their rules, I wouldn't risk playing off-meta at all. They should stop/take down videos like this then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMAAfm095tg
: > [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bGYE6AwP,comment-id=00040000000000010000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-25T22:58:38.401+0000) > > Because getting first blood on the TF & zoning him off CS more than the bot lane lost isn't enough. "Sure thing chief" So...helping a lane that would ALREADY WIN, and letting your 50% chance to win bot lane lose...is good? Interesting... > > The enemy team doesn't know he is mid until he leaves stealth to hit TF. Did you not watch it? He does this quite often, he sits invis until 1:30, so the first minion wave.
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bGYE6AwP,comment-id=000400000000000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-26T00:00:11.149+0000) > > So...helping a lane that would ALREADY WIN, and letting your 50% chance to win bot lane lose...is good? Interesting... That's a hypothetical outcome. You don't know this lane WILL win. Also, there's different levels of winning. It's more just about who wins out on trading resources. And this game is just one data point: At 5:17 the point where NB3 hits tab and saying: "nubrac say bye bye to ur accoutn" This is the game state: Irelia has first blood and is up 37 - 23 on cs. Sivir has 25 cs on pair with Taric who also has 25. Teemo has 6 cs; Sona has 7. The blue team is actually up in EXP. Pretty good result for team Nubrac. > > Did you not watch it? He does this quite often, he sits invis until 1:30, so the first minion wave. While he is invisible at the start of the match you don't know where he is. He could be mid,top,bot or somewhere in the enemy jungle. This also has the benefit of forcing all the enemies to respect the possibility that he could be hiding in their lane/space until he shows.
: > [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bGYE6AwP,comment-id=000400000000000100000001,timestamp=2019-06-25T05:02:14.107+0000) > > It's not what you would typically consider roaming. So whenever I talk about it I call it "roaming" Teemo support when I do use that word. He's not sitting mid to just soak EXP he is attempting to gain an advantage mid lane because he felt it would be most advantageous for the team. > > It's not going to go well if he leaves the moment Irelia starts pinging him because he will not be stealth and that hurts the entire team's early game because the enemy team would know where Teemo has started. > > It's more "support the best lane for the team" than "roaming". Very much like a jungler gank but higher and longer commitment. lol, sitting mid soaking exp, that Irelia needs for her snowball, is helping the team. Sure thing chief. The enemy team already knew he was mid XD that's why TF was "zoned". He was playing back safe while his bot lane farmed up.
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bGYE6AwP,comment-id=0004000000000001000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-25T20:33:51.874+0000) > > lol, sitting mid soaking exp, that Irelia needs for her snowball, is helping the team. Sure thing chief. Because getting first blood on the TF & zoning him off CS more than the bot lane lost isn't enough. "Sure thing chief" > > The enemy team already knew he was mid XD that's why TF was "zoned". He was playing back safe while his bot lane farmed up. The enemy team doesn't know he is mid until he leaves stealth to hit TF.
: Uhh, NB3 himself got a ban too "play TO WIN the game, not PLAY TO INT in game" did Teemo Nubrac int or lose? No. Was NB3 toxic to him? Yes. Get your facts straight. Ignoring all your posts, have fun.
> [{quoted}](name=Duelist Sagiri,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PkVAmmOI,comment-id=000c00000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-25T18:32:54.314+0000) > > Uhh, NB3 himself got a ban too "play TO WIN the game, not PLAY TO INT in game" did Teemo Nubrac int or lose? No. Was NB3 toxic to him? Yes. Get your facts straight. Ignoring all your posts, have fun. Uh what? NB3 is banned because of the community outrage so Riot decided to appease the masses. Nubrac is still banned with no explanation given beyond that one bs Reddit post by WookieCookie. Off-meta is completely play at your own risk. Nubrac's penalty is a perfect example.
: "treat others how you wish to be treated in return" imagine if someone in real life followed you with a recorded infinite loop that says the word "shit" or something else that would quickly become annoying...now imagine that they did this at any point that they could how do you get them to stop if their goal is to annoy you? in addition to that, blaming the victim is never healthy for the victim or the community. Being a paragon of virtue is the ideal, but few people have the experience to maintain it
> [{quoted}](name=3TWarrior,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bGYE6AwP,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-06-25T05:13:52.121+0000) > > "treat others how you wish to be treated in return" > > imagine if someone in real life followed you with a recorded infinite loop that says the word "shit" or something else that would quickly become annoying...now imagine that they did this at any point that they could > When you can press a single button or type a single line to silence them its not really the end of the world. When you get to be "important" or have a bit of money you're going to have to deal with something similar to this anyway. Filtering out and/or ignoring toxic people(or people that have a "great" investment for you) is something you'll have to do IRL too. > how do you get them to stop if their goal is to annoy you? By not being annoyed? > > in addition to that, blaming the victim is never healthy for the victim or the community. Being a paragon of virtue is the ideal, but few people have the experience to maintain it Why does there have to be a victim? Who even is the victim?
Haze97 (EUW)
: People lose their thinking because they have no choice and are now held hostage in a game which will go on for over 20 mins. Why do you think people get frustrated over a 'game'then? If people could move on from obvious this as easily as you mentioned they would, but now they need to sit down and play a game and slowly watch their team fall apart because troll is going to hit "no"on the surrender making the first vote non-unanimous, and you're the one who is going to have no choice but to dance to his tunes. Whoever says Riot doesn't cater to trolls is fucked in the head. Ignoring a problem is a problem in itself.
> [{quoted}](name=Haze97,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bGYE6AwP,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2019-06-25T03:56:40.969+0000) > > People lose their thinking because they have no choice and are now held hostage in a game which will go on for over 20 mins. > Stop thinking and just play...it's okay. > Why do you think people get frustrated over a 'game'then? If people could move on from obvious this as easily as you mentioned they would, but now they need to sit down and play a game and slowly watch their team fall apart because troll is going to hit "no"on the surrender making the first vote non-unanimous, and you're the one who is going to have no choice but to dance to his tunes. > Why give up? I've won countless games where there was at least one ally essentially running it down. I remember winning one game where we had 2 afk's and a third guy running it down and we were still able to win as just an adc / support. The third guy running it down typed in the chat multiple games "how can you guys not end in a 2v5?". He did tank some cool downs but yeah. Most players on league are going to win about half their games and lose about half their games. I find the most fulfilling games to win are when the odds are against you. > Whoever says Riot doesn't cater to trolls is fucked in the head. Ignoring a problem is a problem in itself. I never said they didn't cater to trolls but you can control how you choose to react to trolls.
: > [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bGYE6AwP,comment-id=0004000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-25T02:22:53.973+0000) > > I'm sure he assisted the lane he thought was best for the team in these games. What reason to think otherwise is there? > > People want to differentiate certain games into certain categories to ignore the fact that he has 50%ish winrate at Master Tier MMR with Teemo queued as support where he often deviates from the normal standard of playing support in the bot lane. Read my comment again, where he **SITS MID FOR 15 MINUTES** He didn't roam, he just went mid to soak EXP even though Irelia told him to leave
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bGYE6AwP,comment-id=00040000000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-25T03:11:57.248+0000) > > Read my comment again, where he **SITS MID FOR 15 MINUTES** He didn't roam, he just went mid to soak EXP even though Irelia told him to leave It's not what you would typically consider roaming. So whenever I talk about it I call it "roaming" Teemo support when I do use that word. He's not sitting mid to just soak EXP he is attempting to gain an advantage mid lane because he felt it would be most advantageous for the team. It's not going to go well if he leaves the moment Irelia starts pinging him because he will not be stealth and that hurts the entire team's early game because the enemy team would know where Teemo has started. It's more "support the best lane for the team" than "roaming". Very much like a jungler gank but higher and longer commitment.
KingMufu (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bGYE6AwP,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-06-25T00:36:41.947+0000) > > Hard int'ing is okay unless you submit a manual ticket, they do it over many games & a Rioter decides to take action(very rare). > > Saying any of a lot of different words or abbreviations is like the end of the world and IFS will get you. > > You should either quit playing or change your mindset. So someone trolls a normal/ranked game. It's not something you can control. Just report and move on. When you're playing a game with 9 other people there's going to be a lot of circumstances outside your control. Accept it and move on. I'm on the same page with you , yes i don't understand why do you need to destroy all of your thinking just because of a player like this , still , it happened to me to lose all of my patience and flip out. Anyways not everybody has nerves of steel , there are people who actually break it at a significant point because of other ones , now im not saying that all of the flamers have a reason , yes there are some jerks and assholes who are unbearable but those you can easly mute , you can't really do anything to a 0-9 olaf who leaves the lane and farms your jg just because you didn't ganked him in 10 mins . What i am sayin is that nobody takes action in situations like this , and if they do , there will be like 1 from 100k.
> [{quoted}](name=KingMufu,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bGYE6AwP,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-06-25T01:14:07.147+0000) > > I'm on the same page with you , yes i don't understand why do you need to destroy all of your thinking just because of a player like this , still , it happened to me to lose all of my patience and flip out. Anyways not everybody has nerves of steel Because you think it takes "patience" and "nerves of steel". It doesn't. It only takes acceptance of the situation. Then you have a a simple decision. You can either flame and probably eventually(sooner rather than later) get chat restrictions or you can play your game. Which helps you more?
: > [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bGYE6AwP,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-06-25T00:39:29.354+0000) > > Pretty sure Nubrac had 50% winrate over his last 31 games 15W-15L with one remake in Master Tier MMR with "roaming" Teemo support. > > This Kayle would have a sub 20% winrate in normals if they played all their games like this. Don't try to act like they're the same. Are you sure that winrate is all from roaming Teemo support where he sits mid for 15 minutes?
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bGYE6AwP,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-06-25T01:30:18.175+0000) > > Are you sure that winrate is all from roaming Teemo support where he sits mid for 15 minutes? I'm sure he assisted the lane he thought was best for the team in these games. What reason to think otherwise is there? People want to differentiate certain games into certain categories to ignore the fact that he has 50%ish winrate at Master Tier MMR with Teemo queued as support where he often deviates from the normal standard of playing support in the bot lane.
: Why did I get chat restricted?
> [{quoted}](name=March 15 2019,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Icj8Epfx,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-25T00:42:59.312+0000) > > 1 game, was at honor level 2, level 2. Now I'm honor level 1 because people in my game said "better jg wins" and **I can't let that slide. **Please tell me how I could have handled this situation differently. Bolded attitude is the issue on how to handle things differently. Stop reading the chat and just play your game. Riot has made it so anything that can be construed negatively(which is basically everything) is toxic...so just don't chat.
: > [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=uvAW7ElE,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-25T00:24:16.849+0000) > > It's essentially the same as a chat restriction without the chat restriction. Seems uh pointless to me...I'd rather have consequences to actions as opposed to even more warnings. > If the player gets 3 warnings then penalty will be applied. Technically you have 3 chances to act up before you get hit with the penalty. That means you have the chance to appeal if your reports were a misunderstanding. Receiving 3 warnings pretty much seals the deal if the player didn't bother to change their act. It makes their appeals harder to be uplifted. > [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=uvAW7ElE,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-25T00:24:16.849+0000) > You don't need the chat to "communicate" in league. Just use pings. That's not the point of this thread, but to answer your statement players do ignore pings. That's nothing new to the gaming industry.
> [{quoted}](name=Brutalistica,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=uvAW7ElE,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-25T00:34:57.614+0000) > > If the player gets 3 warnings then penalty will be applied. Technically you have 3 chances to act up before you get hit with the penalty. That means you have the chance to appeal if your reports were a misunderstanding. Receiving 3 warnings pretty much seals the deal if the player didn't bother to change their act. It makes their appeals harder to be uplifted. Yeah, I get how it would work. I don't think Riot would ever implement it. Also, the level and severity of the cases is how IFS works currently. You could get banned for somewhat toxic chatter over many games or as little as one when you're really toxic...or lots of cases in between. I think it makes a lot of sense in the way they want to police the chat. > > That's not the point of this thread, What is? Give players more opportunities to be toxic without punishment? I'm fine with it because I like trash talk & banter. But, this is not what Riot wants to do or implement. > but to answer your statement players do ignore pings. That's nothing new to the gaming industry. Players ignore toxic chat too... Someone ignores pings? You just stop pinging them. If a couple smart pings aren't going to do the trick, then you're not likely to make a positive impact with your chatter either.
: 2 week suspension ( I got trolled in ranked )
How were you trolled? Someone else's behavior is no excuse for your own. What if they weren't actually trolling or INT'ing? You're making their experience even worse especially if they're having a bad game. But yeah, /mute all & focusing on your own game play is a good idea.
: So when does Riot ban him? He's doing exactly what Nubrac did, going to other lanes when the laner didn't want them there
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=bGYE6AwP,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-06-25T00:22:56.459+0000) > > So when does Riot ban him? He's doing exactly what Nubrac did, going to other lanes when the laner didn't want them there Pretty sure Nubrac had 50% winrate over his last 31 games 15W-15L with one remake in Master Tier MMR with "roaming" Teemo support. This Kayle would have a sub 20% winrate in normals if they played all their games like this. Don't try to act like they're the same.
KingMufu (EUNE)
: Trollers
Hard int'ing is okay unless you submit a manual ticket, they do it over many games & a Rioter decides to take action(very rare). Saying any of a lot of different words or abbreviations is like the end of the world and IFS will get you. You should either quit playing or change your mindset. So someone trolls a normal/ranked game. It's not something you can control. Just report and move on. When you're playing a game with 9 other people there's going to be a lot of circumstances outside your control. Accept it and move on.
: > [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=uvAW7ElE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-24T21:31:32.282+0000) > > This is way too many warnings and would encourage more toxic chatter. I wouldn't mind this at all because I happen to like trash talk and banter. I think it makes the game more entertaining. 3 warnings isn't a lot and they stay on your record. Once those warnings are used up there's not much you can do to persuade them in a appeal. Those players are able to read their chat logs during those 3 warnings and if there's no improvement. The penalty will be applied on the account. Think of it this way like if you're able to ignore 3 warnings then player doesn't care about the game and would waste time making new accounts. The only way to get those 3 warnings chances back is not being toxic at all for sometime. This concept is actually Blizzard old method during WoW's early days up until at least Cataclysm or MoP. It got oppressive after that like take Overwatch for an example. Playing a hero of F tier grants you auto silence or a ban. At least Riot is willingly to listen to feedback and not hit you hard with heavy penalty where you can't communicate at all to allies.
> [{quoted}](name=Brutalistica,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=uvAW7ElE,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-24T22:16:07.554+0000) > > 3 warnings isn't a lot and they stay on your record. Once those warnings are used up there's not much you can do to persuade them in a appeal. Those players are able to read their chat logs during those 3 warnings and if there's no improvement. The penalty will be applied on the account. Think of it this way like if you're able to ignore 3 warnings then player doesn't care about the game and would waste time making new accounts. > It's essentially the same as a chat restriction without the chat restriction. Seems uh pointless to me...I'd rather have consequences to actions as opposed to even more warnings. > The only way to get those 3 warnings chances back is not being toxic at all for sometime. This concept is actually Blizzard old method during WoW's early days up until at least Cataclysm or MoP. It got oppressive after that like take Overwatch for an example. Playing a hero of F tier grants you auto silence or a ban. At least Riot is willingly to listen to feedback and not hit you hard with heavy penalty where you can't communicate at all to allies. You don't need the chat to "communicate" in league. Just use pings.
: > [{quoted}](name=Shotamuscle,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=Gb7eq6hE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-24T01:54:40.858+0000) > > Lol the fucking boards are moderated more than the game. 0/10 well done Riot To be fair the boards have volunteers, but yeah they do more work than Riot does on the game lmfao
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=Gb7eq6hE,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-06-24T02:22:12.747+0000) > > To be fair the boards have volunteers, but yeah they do more work than Riot does on the game lmfao Why can't we have volunteers work on the manual reports system in a tribunal fashion? That'd be helpful IMO
IcyMelon (EUW)
: How hard it is for new players to start.
There's a pretty big learning curve honestly. Just play bot games till you can beat the intermediate bots easily without abusing stuff like brush tactics/vision. If you're soft to the point where you're going to get demoralized because people talk crap about you in a video game you're probably not going to want to play video games in a multi-player setting.
: Chatbox Restriction Tuning in a Positive Light.
> [{quoted}](name=Brutalistica,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=uvAW7ElE,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-24T20:36:58.765+0000) > > However the one thing Chatbox Restriction does wrong is placing a penalty on players the first time and not giving any sort of warning. If you're typing more lines than chatbox restriction would allow you to then you are typing too much in games. You will see future penalties more likely than not...consider that your warning. > If this suppose to help out the community by keeping it toxic clean. Do them justice by letting them know what they have been reported for without applying a penalty. That way if they continue to do the same tactics 2 more times then the chatbox restriction will be applied. That way they can see they were warned 3 times and that will take effect on the player. This way it will have better positive results than the current system claiming penalties are warnings. This is way too many warnings and would encourage more toxic chatter. I wouldn't mind this at all because I happen to like trash talk and banter. I think it makes the game more entertaining. It's getting progressively worse each season and pretty soon you won't be able to type anything much at all without even being considered "toxic". Players are little babies...and Riot caters to them. > I know players want toxic players to be punished asap, but the only way that should apply is if they truly used racial slurs and anything a long those lines where it's close to threats. That sort of toxic level should be only allowed 1 warning and a penalty is applied at the second stage if get hit by reports for the second time. Yes, I'd be all for a more escalated punishment for slurs or threats. And significantly less punishment or none at all for trash talk and banter. But, I'm probably in the minority here.
Zephyrdor (EUNE)
: The indefinite banning of Tarzaned
Win trading by the #1 player on a server for 3 of the last 4 seasons impacts the integrity of the entire ladder(since everyone is under him). Unless you think cheating should be allowed/encouraged in every ranked game whenever you want you should want him banned too.
Mártir (EUW)
: The importance of both Champ Select, and Macro game/Decision Making... More than "Skill/Mechanics"
> [{quoted}](name=Mártir,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1mIqKyFm,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-23T23:42:29.932+0000) > > I swear, I could bet anything, that a higher "%" of games... > Are lost because of both Champ Select and Macro game/Decision Making, rather than just "Skill/Mechanics", people forget the importance of the first two things? > > **Champ Select:** Lately I've began to Dodge "unfavorable" Champ Selects, and I climbed some divisions because of this. > > * So your team is made of FIVE APs (ADC being Corki, Kaisa, Ezreal, or so), and you'd wonder why you'd lose? > When all the enemies have Hexdrinker, Spirit Visage, and Mercury Boots? This team doesn't necessarily lose especially if someone catches majority of the enemy team in mutiple AP AOE ulties. Go ahead and build your Hexdrinker as an ad you still can't walk anywhere near a Fiddle,Kennen,Karthus,Brand. > * Your team lacks a Frontline (Enchanter Support, Teemo/Kennen Top, Twitch/Evelyn Jungle), and you'd be surprised by the enemy team totally diving you under turret with hard CC, and still winning? Team doesn't team fight as well as a "normal" team but that's only one aspect of the game. > > **Macro game/Decision Making)** My god, I dont wanna talk about this one, I want to cry... xD > pretty obvious things: > > * Making Baron, when enemy has full vision of it, is near and has hard CC engage, or even behind in numbers or gold. No comments. Behind on gold is one of the best times to do a baron. If you're losing you want to increase the variability of the game. One of the best things you can do if the enemy team takes an inhib is to try and rush a baron on their recalls. Because once supers pile in you will have a hard time defending your base from supers and the enemy team from baron. > * Pushing lanes which have the enemy inhibitor broken. Omg this is the worst... xD Or the right champion does it uncontested it ends the game. It's often very good to split push opposite the lane of the main objective. > So enemy would have Mid and Bot Inhibs down, and you wouldnt close the game by pushing Top? > Only reason you'd go Mid/Bot if several enemy champions were dead, or you have Baron Buff, for an easy push. > * Not taking objectives somewhere else, while the Toplaner with Teleport is pushing hard. > You are killing him, because you are not drawing attention somewhere else, so 3 people will just go kill the Nasus in Top. Mostly makes sense...Nasus shouldn't be pushing to the point where three people can contest him without losing something. > > I swear, feels like people only worry about "Skill", but have no "Macro game" at all. I think you've unlocked some macro game knowledge but should be more open minded towards other strategies and you'll continue to improve. > I have won games, where we had less kills actually, but took profit of every single small kill, by taking objectives... > Knowing what you can and can't take after won fights is a macro skill on its own. > Edit: I mean, I can swear many games are lost before they even begin, just by champions. Disagree. You can gain some advantages in champ select but they don't just end the game. > Of course, there have been times where I was surprised and proved wrong, but the "%" are there. > There are champions "Superior" to other, etc. There's a lot of counter play built into most things on league.
: "hide my match history, hide my mmr, hide my champion mastery, hide everything so there is no data on anyone....." It's a video game.... If anything they should reveal more information. I want to know what my mmr is and what the mmr of my team mates are. I want to know if my team mates are queued up together, I want to know if they have a lot of experience on a given champion. Please give me as much information as possible so that I enter the game with the information I need to make good decisions within the game. Protect my private information such as email address, phone number, name, etc... but the in game information such as summoner name, match history, play rate of a given champion and more should be public.
> [{quoted}](name=Morticianjohn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=pEAYAoBa,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-23T23:32:49.028+0000) > > "hide my match history, hide my mmr, hide my champion mastery, hide everything so there is no data on anyone....." > > > It's a video game.... If anything they should reveal more information. > > I want to know what my mmr is and what the mmr of my team mates are. I want to know if my team mates are queued up together, I want to know if they have a lot of experience on a given champion. Please give me as much information as possible so that I enter the game with the information I need to make good decisions within the game. Can't you get most of this with one simple api call or using one of the league player tracking sites? > > Protect my private information such as email address, phone number, name, etc... but the in game information such as summoner name, match history, play rate of a given champion and more should be public. Agreed.
: I love how vocal he was about how Nubrac was the one ruining high ELO The pot calling the kettle back is an understatement
> [{quoted}](name=TwitchInMyPants,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7Efkn21t,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-06-24T00:42:32.069+0000) > > I love how vocal he was about how Nubrac was the one ruining high ELO > > The pot calling the kettle back is an understatement Right? Tarzaned: Why are you hardstruck? Nubrac could have said: It's because you have a "rank 1" player 3 out of the last 4 years win-trading. Pretty hard to win in that environment.
: I don't pay attention to downvotes. Some concepts are too complicated for people. :)
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WybA6EEo,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-23T16:34:54.413+0000) > > I don't pay attention to downvotes. Some concepts are too complicated for people. :) I don't either for the most part but I guess I was more genuinely curious to what your take on this post would have to be to down vote it lol
: Try psychology - before you sit down for a few games, ask them if there's anything that needs to be done, or keep yourself a list of things you know they're going to ask you to do every day. You get bonus points for taking initiative, and they're less likely to interrupt you.
> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=WybA6EEo,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-23T04:03:24.323+0000) > > Try psychology - before you sit down for a few games, ask them if there's anything that needs to be done, or keep yourself a list of things you know they're going to ask you to do every day. You get bonus points for taking initiative, and they're less likely to interrupt you. Why down vote this? It actually makes a lot of sense...
: hi guys, help me to reform
> [{quoted}](name=Yuumi or Dodge,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fQBqp9Aj,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-23T15:42:47.183+0000) > > A simple keybinding or command won't fix my mental. that's the real problem here. I feel a sick anxiety before even queuing up for a game. something that shouldnt be associated with a video game. can anybody help me? Spend a little bit of time working on this every day...try meditation it will do wonders for your mental game. Eventually you'll learn to accept things you can't control like the performances of other players.
: to be fair, i didn't take it badly , it just generally annoyed me that i could not communicate with draven and therefore that no team cohesion was possible (which to me is pretty much like griefing) and i was generally very chill in this game , even slipping a few jokes and when pointing out mistake , i make sure to not being mean but constructive and helpful even with rhetorical question as "why you run toward enemies with 20 hp ?" But i wondered how other people would take it
> [{quoted}](name=The Anivia OTP,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=IuX2f0un,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-06-21T03:32:44.516+0000) > > to be fair, i didn't take it badly , it just generally annoyed me that i could not communicate with draven and therefore that no team cohesion was possible (which to me is pretty much like griefing) > > and i was generally very chill in this game , even slipping a few jokes Usually when you type about something like this they feel less motivated to help you. Think back on all the times you've played league and how many times have you had a strategic disagreement with someone and been like "oh yeah, your way sounds better...let's do that" > > and when pointing out mistake , i make sure to not being mean but constructive and helpful > even with rhetorical question as "why you run toward enemies with 20 hp ?" > I don't think this is helpful or constructive and can be taken negatively. A better way if you wanted to type would be like "hey let's back and buy we're all low HP" before they die running towards the enemy with 20 hp. After someone dies asking them "why" usually doesn't prompt a positive response.
: > The key piece you're missing here is the buffs to make them "viable" until they're a must pick or ban. Then Riot nerfs them into the ground a few patches later. It's just a champion/skin money grab. Admitted, there have been quite some champions they overbuffed after they started weak on release. I don't know if this is necessarily a money grab, tho. For example, Urgot started pretty weak after his rework and they didn't buff him for 2 patches, that's 4 weeks they waited before giving him any meaningful buffs. > They have released many champs and reworks that were broken AF often with 50%+ winrate right from the start. Can't come up with many right now myself, mind to give some examples?
> [{quoted}](name=Chembaron Yamada,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A8P9lyjj,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-23T08:43:25.315+0000) > > Admitted, there have been quite some champions they overbuffed after they started weak on release. I don't know if this is necessarily a money grab, tho. For example, Urgot started pretty weak after his rework and they didn't buff him for 2 patches, that's 4 weeks they waited before giving him any meaningful buffs. It's still a money grab...it's just they happened to take an extra patch more to do it in that case. Just watch any new released/reworked champion and you'll see the recurring pattern. > > Can't come up with many right now myself, mind to give some examples? Didn't track all the winrates but consider the list of recent ones: Mordekaiser - broken positive winrate as released Yuumi - got exactly 13 hot fix buffs because not broken upon release Morgana - broken for a few patches before being nerfed Irelia - broken permaban/pick in pro play; Akali - broken permaban/pick in pro play for how many patches even after nerfs over who knows how many patches.
: > [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kHtytAg7,comment-id=000400000003000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-22T00:10:10.875+0000) > > Strongly disagree. "Informing" your team often leads to a more toxic champ select. > > The notion of consent to pick the champion you want to play is ridiculous as well. How many players have you seen ask for and get consent from the team to play their picks? > > Additionally, Riot changed their policy to account for these unusual picks: > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/EtXQhs5J-weore-updating-our-policy-so-unusual-play-styles-dont-get-14-day-bans > > Please do this instead of dishing out 14 day suspensions to players who play unique play styles. > > Do actual investigations instead of just believing the word of some streamer with a few extra reports from one single game. I'm **not ** talking about picking the champ or even off-meta. I'm talking about _forcing your playstyle on someone else_. Irelia asked many times she didn't want him there.
> [{quoted}](name=NotDTOPuRLkn4,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kHtytAg7,comment-id=0004000000030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-23T06:26:41.445+0000) > > I'm **not ** talking about picking the champ or even off-meta. I'm talking about _forcing your playstyle on someone else_. Irelia asked many times she didn't want him there. I've talked about this already and Riot hasn't taken a position. Basically, it's a catch22. If Teemo leaves immediately as soon as Irelia pings him to leave it hurts the team significantly more. Therefore, as Teemo if you leave you're reducing the chances of your team winning vs maybe tilting your mid laner by staying. So either way you'll find "meta slaves" complaining that Teemo is either not trying his best to win or not communicating properly with the team. Additionally, you're "forcing your playstyle" upon the Teemo by pinging him after he stealths in a lane and trying to force him to leave. It's like spam pinging in the middle of a gank instead of trying to assist your jungler/teammates. Teemo's presence in lane stays longer but the concept is the same.
: Help me improve my behavior:
Type less, communicate with pings... When your teammates don't properly respond to pings don't waste time pinging them anymore. It's unfortunate that the state of league any typing is basically seen as "toxic". So, if you type more than a few lines, you're going to eventually get a chat restriction.
: Funny'd you mention the Nunu and Singed, because I have both the top threads from back then bookmarked specifically so I can shut down people who use them as a defense. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/FrILlWp7-14-day-ban-because-playing-nunu-support-with-smite-is-stealing-other-peoples-roles The Nunu one is a good for showcasing how even a decent performance doesn't justify playing the game like you're solo with no regards to your allies. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/79aGu3wR-support-singed-isnt-banable-but-thats-not-the-point The Singed one does a fantastic job of explaining why such a thing is against the rules, again regardless of performance. And in both cases, the players' punishments were not revoked. **** Nubrac also claimed he had a 65% win rate on it. Which a quick check on op.gg or any such site will show you is almost exactly 20% higher than his actual win rate. Checking will also show you that he goes negative whether it's a win or a loss, and chooses it regardless of the team's needs. Which is the main issue. He'll even do it last pick when the team is in dire need of hard CC... even despite the fact his actual main is Leona and he 100% knows it would be a better decision to pick her. He doesn't pick for the team, he simply plays game after game of whoever he decides he wants to play that day. Which in most roles isn't such a detriment, but is a major hindrance to the team for the Support to do. **** I don't want to be punished by proving to you that the Jinx strat is as stupid as the Teemo one...? But if you're asking for performance on par with Nubrac, again, it wouldn't be difficult to get a negative win rate on it to match his. **** The point was that often times the opposing character hasn't even heard of the enemy's card, so they don't know the effect. They'll do stuff like, "aha, you destroyed this creature, which means I get to summon [X] from my hand," when in reality both players would know the card effect. In a similar vein, the "strategy" of an exp-siphoning/gold-reducing "high commitment" gank like that only works if you've never heard of Nubrac before and think he's just afk in fountain. In fact that may be his only option now-- having allies say he's afk at the start-- because he made the stupid move of causing more of a ruckus than necessary over a decision he KNOWS is griefing. Even in the original video, he says in regards to people who don't want him to play Teemo, "fuck them, they can dodge if they want. I'm going to do what I want." Which, once again, is the part that makes it against the rules. You can argue whether or not the rules are fair, but you cannot argue that it is not against the rules as they currently stand.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=c7xmFKmA,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-22T23:17:51.560+0000) > > Funny'd you mention the Nunu and Singed, because I have both the top threads from back then bookmarked specifically so I can shut down people who use them as a defense. > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/FrILlWp7-14-day-ban-because-playing-nunu-support-with-smite-is-stealing-other-peoples-roles > The Nunu one is a good for showcasing how even a decent performance doesn't justify playing the game like you're solo with no regards to your allies. > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/79aGu3wR-support-singed-isnt-banable-but-thats-not-the-point > The Singed one does a fantastic job of explaining why such a thing is against the rules, again regardless of performance. > And in both cases, the players' punishments were not revoked. Perhaps you should bookmark this one as well: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/EtXQhs5J-weore-updating-our-policy-so-unusual-play-styles-dont-get-14-day-bans If Riot followed their own policy as detailed here, then they would have suspended the account and informed him that his play style would require more team communication. The two week suspension shouldn't have happened. > **** > Nubrac also claimed he had a 65% win rate on it. Which a quick check on op.gg or any such site will show you is almost exactly 20% higher than his actual win rate. Checking will also show you that he goes negative whether it's a win or a loss, and chooses it regardless of the team's needs. Nubrac maintains something like that. From his last 30 games of Teemo support at Master MMR he is 15 wins - 15 losses. Seems like he's doing as well as any other Master Tier player. Goes negative? Elaborate? > Which is the main issue. He'll even do it last pick when the team is in dire need of hard CC... even despite the fact his actual main is Leona and he 100% knows it would be a better decision to pick her. He doesn't pick for the team, he simply plays game after game of whoever he decides he wants to play that day. Which in most roles isn't such a detriment, but is a major hindrance to the team for the Support to do. So are we going to two week suspend every mid lane player who picks an ad mid laner with an all AD comp already picked? I feel like you'd be punishing 1,000's of players every day. > **** > I don't want to be punished by proving to you that the Jinx strat is as stupid as the Teemo one...? But if you're asking for performance on par with Nubrac, again, it wouldn't be difficult to get a negative win rate on it to match his. They aren't comparable and you know it. > **** > > The point was that often times the opposing character hasn't even heard of the enemy's card, so they don't know the effect. They'll do stuff like, "aha, you destroyed this creature, which means I get to summon [X] from my hand," when in reality both players would know the card effect. In a similar vein, the "strategy" of an exp-siphoning/gold-reducing "high commitment" gank like that only works if you've never heard of Nubrac before and think he's just afk in fountain. In fact that may be his only option now-- having allies say he's afk at the start-- because he made the stupid move of causing more of a ruckus than necessary over a decision he KNOWS is griefing. > I pointed out about 8 different positives that this Teemo strategy distinctly has that no other champion can offer in this type of "roaming" role. Nubrac also has earned 50% winrate over last 30 games on his Teemo strategy in Master Tier MMR. If that doesn't warrant someone to think it's a potentially viable strategy then I would think that individual lacked the capacity to think openly about it. > Even in the original video, he says in regards to people who don't want him to play Teemo, "fuck them, they can dodge if they want. I'm going to do what I want." > This attitude isn't different from a good majority of solo queue players. Again, unless you want to actively punish 1,000's of players every day for this you shouldn't point it out as an issue. > Which, once again, is the part that makes it against the rules. You can argue whether or not the rules are fair, but you cannot argue that it is not against the rules as they currently stand. I'm sure you're referring to this line from the summoner's code: "Being a good team player begins at champion select. Be open minded when considering the needs of your team. If you're the last one to pick, try to fill a niche in your team that hasn't already been filled..." We can argue about our interpretations of the rules and how they should be enforced. But, I doubt we're going to see eye to eye on that. As I've already said if you want to enforce things with your interpretation to this policy then it would result in 1,000 of punishments daily or more. If this is what you want that's fine, but I don't think most players would agree with that. So why hold an "off-meta" player to a higher standard?
: The rework is new: That is not just a disadvantage for those playing against Mordekaiser, you know? In general, most champions start with a really low winrate after a complete rework, because people have to learn how to play the champion as well as people have to learn to play against it. Usually, the winrate starts low and builds up over time when people learn to utilise the new kit at full potential, as well as learning the best itemization and other details. This was not the case for Mordekaiser. His winrate was **really high** considering that he got just released. I don't expect Mordekaiser's winrate to fall off alot, maybe it might even improve further when people have finally pinned down the optimal way to play him.
> [{quoted}](name=Chembaron Yamada,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A8P9lyjj,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-22T12:32:04.513+0000) > > The rework is new: That is not just a disadvantage for those playing against Mordekaiser, you know? > > In general, most champions start with a really low winrate after a complete rework, because people have to learn how to play the champion as well as people have to learn to play against it. Usually, the winrate starts low and builds up over time when people learn to utilise the new kit at full potential, as well as learning the best itemization and other details. The key piece you're missing here is the buffs to make them "viable" until they're a must pick or ban. Then Riot nerfs them into the ground a few patches later. It's just a champion/skin money grab. > > This was not the case for Mordekaiser. His winrate was **really high** considering that he got just released. I don't expect Mordekaiser's winrate to fall off alot, maybe it might even improve further when people have finally pinned down the optimal way to play him. They have released many champs and reworks that were broken AF often with 50%+ winrate right from the start.
: > [{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rrMIseEl,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-21T03:39:43.361+0000) > > forced censorship is never a good idea; it should be an option in the filter settings Lmao the fact that you have 5 down votes on this deeply saddens me
> [{quoted}](name=Yasuo VS Riven,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rrMIseEl,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2019-06-21T16:16:44.958+0000) > > Lmao the fact that you have 5 down votes on this deeply saddens me Yeah, it's pretty sad, the entire community feels like "babyfied". Trash talk made the game so much more fun.
: > [{quoted}](name=LordRedStone Nr1,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rrMIseEl,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-21T05:14:47.126+0000) > > I do report "ggez" unless it's _clearly_ in a funny context. > It's just disrespectful, If your enemy was there in person would you walk up to them and say "haha this was easy you suck we totally destroyed you"? Yah lol, I am in my highschool basketball team and whenever we practice in my communitys court we always kinda trash talk the enemy. Like 'send me a postcard when you finish 'travelling'" (travel is when you hold the ball and move without dribbling' Or 'nice, I think you killed 3 birds with that shot' At the end of the match saying 'oh shit what an easy game' is pretty normal
> [{quoted}](name=WhispersinMyHead,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=rrMIseEl,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-06-21T10:24:18.283+0000) > > Yah lol, I am in my highschool basketball team and whenever we practice in my communitys court we always kinda trash talk the enemy. > > Like 'send me a postcard when you finish 'travelling'" (travel is when you hold the ball and move without dribbling' > Or 'nice, I think you killed 3 birds with that shot' > At the end of the match saying 'oh shit what an easy game' is pretty normal Trash talk AND banter is fun :)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trias000,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=c7xmFKmA,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-21T21:00:55.133+0000) > > Such a dedication to prove absolutely nothing. Wow. Well I work as a data analyst. I made the tread with a provocative title and checked what will happen in my break time. I have the numbers. And it will not move no matter how you feel. I can flush out their elo, played seasons, played champion and role preferences, winrates and their GPI stats. You have nothing.
> [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=c7xmFKmA,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-21T21:01:59.346+0000) > > Well I work as a data analyst. I made the tread with a provocative title and checked what will happen in my break time. I have the numbers. And it will not move no matter how you feel. Shame you presented no numbers though....I wonder why that is? :)
: That's not playing support in a different way. The roles have assigned _positions_. Only a new player or one that's taken a long break wouldn't know that. You can only make the case for it in blind pick, where positions are not assigned. You seem to be mistaken. He's not break even for the Master tier games. He's break even for combining the games he's won _after_ first getting demoted with it. And that's no better a defense than it would be to say jungle Tank Jinx has the advantage that the enemy won't expect Aftershock to proc off her grenades. His strategy "works" the same way surprise cards work in the Yugioh anime compared to the real game. It relies entirely on the opponent having no idea what he could possibly be doing. And even despite his proven negative performance with it, it'll actually be even less viable now that he's made a stink of getting rightfully punished. Because now anyone who sees him as Teemo knows exactly what he's doing.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=c7xmFKmA,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-22T18:05:54.417+0000) > > That's not playing support in a different way. The roles have assigned _positions_. Only a new player or one that's taken a long break wouldn't know that. You can only make the case for it in blind pick, where positions are not assigned. It's sometimes playing support in a lane you're not used to seeing but both singed and nunu did it effectively at their elos as well but they always went into the enemies jungle. Support isn't defined and forced into the bot lane...it's just typically seen there. The Teemo player Nubrac even contacted Riot support and asked if he could support in another lane other than bot lane. > > You seem to be mistaken. He's not break even for the Master tier games. He's break even for combining the games he's won _after_ first getting demoted with it. Nubrac claimed he climbed from d4 or d3 to master tier primarily with this strategy. In his last 30 games in Master Tier MMR with Teemo support he's 15W-15L(not counting one remake). This to me basically says it's at least a likely coinflip scenario(50% chance to win or 50% chance to lose) at Master Tier MMR as a strategy. Therefore if you're a Master Tier Player(with this Teemo's skillset) this strategy should perform around the same as a standard "meta" one. > > And that's no better a defense than it would be to say jungle Tank Jinx has the advantage that the enemy won't expect Aftershock to proc off her grenades. Refer to above on how viable this strategy is compared to that. Unless you believe you can have comparable results. Then show us those results. But, I think you realize(I hope anyway), it's not nearly the same as a stealth champion that may or may not be in any of the lanes at the opening moments of the game. > > His strategy "works" the same way surprise cards work in the Yugioh anime compared to the real game. It relies entirely on the opponent having no idea what he could possibly be doing. And even despite his proven negative performance with it, it'll actually be even less viable now that he's made a stink of getting rightfully punished. Because now anyone who sees him as Teemo knows exactly what he's doing. Don't know anything about Yugioh...but I'm assuming you're trying to compare it to like "secrets" cards in Hearthstone. If that's the case, then even if you knew everything there was to know about what they could be...you still have to take non-optimal lines to play around them "properly". It's just like a higher commitment gank. You're spending a significant amount of time in a given area to try and gain an advantage for your team. Whether it's top,mid,enemy jungle or bot...why shouldn't a support get to choose? Also, as I've already mentioned this is terrifying for a knowing enemy team because Teemo could be just about anywhere. Want to hit lvl 2 quick and cheese your top laner? Well, what if Teemo is there? Same thing for mid. What about farming safely? If you overextend for a creep at the wrong time maybe it's a death or your sums or both. Want to farm your jungle safely but you get low when you clear? Can't go through that optimal path because Teemo might cheese you there? How about the bot lane? You want to all in the Teemo's adc...well he could even be stealth in that lane too. Where's the citation for "proven negative performance"?
: You can't use things that are almost a decade old and incredibly vague like "mage supports" as a defense of something like "not playing Support at all when you queued for it." Again and again, people need to be reminded that there is actually a difference between "off-meta" and trolling. Just because one high ranking player _proved his strat didn't work_, doesn't mean there aren't better off-meta strategies possible. Lotta people defending the guy for actually griefing his team with Teemo, when he could've actually been a champion who replaces a mage bot. Maybe LeBlanc or another assassin with a little hard CC. But Teemo is clearly not a champion that fills the role.
> [{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=c7xmFKmA,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-06-22T11:22:14.536+0000) > > You can't use things that are almost a decade old and incredibly vague like "mage supports" as a defense of something like "not playing Support at all when you queued for it." It's playing support in a different way by sometimes supporting another lane other than bot lane. With approval from Riot(which Teemo actively talked to support beforehand and got), I think this should be okay. It certainly shouldn't be bannable without warning per the updates to Riot's policy from here: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/EtXQhs5J-weore-updating-our-policy-so-unusual-play-styles-dont-get-14-day-bans > > Again and again, people need to be reminded that there is actually a difference between "off-meta" and trolling. Just because one high ranking player _proved his strat didn't work_, doesn't mean there aren't better off-meta strategies possible. How is it not working? Break-even for 30 game sample in Master Tier MMR sounds pretty solid to me. > > Lotta people defending the guy for actually griefing his team with Teemo, when he could've actually been a champion who replaces a mage bot. Maybe LeBlanc or another assassin with a little hard CC. But Teemo is clearly not a champion that fills the role. Teemo provides a lot of uncertainty for his opponents. You don't know if he's stealth in top,mid,bot or the enemy jungle somewhere. There's lots of opportunities to gain early edges. To play around it all these lanes has to play extremely safe until Teemo shows or it's obvious he's taken EXP from a lane somewhere.
: > [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=c7xmFKmA,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2019-06-22T01:48:01.942+0000) > > Lol another thread of you misusing "statistics" cool. > > Did you ever think that the population of players who post on these boards is in general "mid elo hell" players. Why didn't you look at the posters who were not "Nubrac supporters"? Do a comparison and let's see the results. > > Refer to above. > > Additionally, whether or not players who haven't tried a strategy think it's viable only shows how attached to the current meta you are. > > We know the strategy works for Nubrac and he achieves about Master Tier coin flips with it being 15W-15L with one remake over the last 31 games. > > Another generalization based on an opinion that may or may not be true. > > So it's like any other high elo strategy that may or may not get adopted in pro play. It needs to be tested. How do you think they established the "EU meta"? They tried a bunch of things in solo queue and found some new things that worked or copied someone in solo queue that did it. > > Nubrac was basically just one of those guys. > > So the "opposition" provides viable details on why the strategy works but somehow you don't accept that? Okay. > > Additionally, it's not always cut/dry whether or not you support someone or something. > > I support Nubrac to the point I think off-meta players shouldn't be held to a significantly higher standard and be required to get team approval to implement their picks. > > I also support a fair implementation of Riot's rules and they give a warning before they suspend a player who is trying their best with an unusual strategy. I think you are a lost cause since you were supporting a hysteric person that was insulting everybody in that thread and actively ignoring numbers saying it is fabricated. You have no credibility and I give you no respect for that. Shall I post the inflammatory and directly insulting and embarrassing material you supported?
> [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=c7xmFKmA,comment-id=0003000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-22T03:56:37.112+0000) > > I think you are a lost cause since you were supporting a hysteric person that was insulting everybody in that thread and actively ignoring numbers saying it is fabricated. You have no credibility and I give you no respect for that. > Why would I want your respect? I see you've gone away from using statistics in place of vague terms like "most", "majority", "poor" because last time you made a mistake you had to delete / edit your posts. You're the one that has no respect. Probably just another nb3 fanboy...
: > [{quoted}](name=BetterjgwinsNA,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=c7xmFKmA,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-21T16:16:34.334+0000) > > Man the fun part is that some brain damaged numbrac followers might actually do this XDD. > > They lack too many brain cells to distinguish between whats inting and whats actually meta. I just made a thread yesterday of nearly 90 votes and 13.7k views. And I summed up the trend of the people there. 1. Majority of Nubrac supporters were not even mid elo hell even unranked. (Only one of them was gold 2. Out of a post of near 90 total votes and 13.7k views.) 2. People opposing the strat had played around more than 3 seasons of this game. They by experience know it is not viable. 3. Most of Nubrac supporters were either sock accounts or around level 40. 4. Nubrac supporters had poor arguments how it actually benefits the team more than the established EU meta. 5. While the opposition had provided data, statistics, knowledge on how Teemo and the support role works. They were pretty much being schooled how it is "intolerant". ...Yeah.
> [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=c7xmFKmA,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-06-21T20:40:36.201+0000) > > I just made a thread yesterday of nearly 90 votes and 13.7k views. And I summed up the trend of the people there. > Lol another thread of you misusing "statistics" cool. > 1. **Majority** of Nubrac supporters were not even **mid elo hell **even unranked. (Only one of them was gold 2. Out of a post of near 90 total votes and 13.7k views.) Did you ever think that the population of players who post on these boards is in general "mid elo hell" players. Why didn't you look at the posters who were not "Nubrac supporters"? Do a comparison and let's see the results. > 2. People opposing the strat had **played around more than 3 seasons of this game**. They by experience know it is not viable. Refer to above. Additionally, whether or not players who haven't tried a strategy think it's viable only shows how attached to the current meta you are. We know the strategy works for Nubrac and he achieves about Master Tier coin flips with it being 15W-15L with one remake over the last 31 games. > 3. **Most** of Nubrac supporters were either sock accounts or around level 40. Another generalization based on an opinion that may or may not be true. > 4. Nubrac supporters had poor arguments how it actually benefits the team more than the established EU meta. So it's like any other high elo strategy that may or may not get adopted in pro play. It needs to be tested. How do you think they established the "EU meta"? They tried a bunch of things in solo queue and found some new things that worked or copied someone in solo queue that did it. Nubrac was basically just one of those guys. > 5. While the opposition had provided data, statistics, knowledge on how Teemo and the support role works. They were pretty much being schooled how it is "intolerant". > > ...Yeah. So the "opposition" provides viable details on why the strategy works but somehow you don't accept that? Okay. Additionally, it's not always cut/dry whether or not you support someone or something. I support Nubrac to the point I think off-meta players shouldn't be held to a significantly higher standard and be required to get team approval to implement their picks. I also support a fair implementation of Riot's rules and they give a warning before they suspend a player who is trying their best with an unusual strategy.
: > [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kHtytAg7,comment-id=0004000000030000,timestamp=2019-06-21T21:47:42.447+0000) > > This. > > Dishing out a ban to make up for nb3 harrassing an off-meta player then getting him banned doesn't fix the problem for off-meta players. > > **Follow your rules and inform players if they have a unique play style that "requires" extra communication**. When I saw him type that, I knew that was worth a ban. The only problem about all of this is that Nubrac thinks he's in the right. You don't have to right to push your playstyle on your other teammates, especially if you do not mention it, and especially if they say no they don't want it, despite it working. {{sticker:sg-janna}}
> [{quoted}](name=NotDTOPuRLkn4,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kHtytAg7,comment-id=00040000000300000000,timestamp=2019-06-21T23:44:21.060+0000) > > When I saw him type that, I knew that was worth a ban. > > The only problem about all of this is that Nubrac thinks he's in the right. You don't have to right to push your playstyle on your other teammates, especially if you do not mention it, and especially if they say no they don't want it, despite it working. {{sticker:sg-janna}} Strongly disagree. "Informing" your team often leads to a more toxic champ select. The notion of consent to pick the champion you want to play is ridiculous as well. How many players have you seen ask for and get consent from the team to play their picks? Additionally, Riot changed their policy to account for these unusual picks: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/EtXQhs5J-weore-updating-our-policy-so-unusual-play-styles-dont-get-14-day-bans Please do this instead of dishing out 14 day suspensions to players who play unique play styles. Do actual investigations instead of just believing the word of some streamer with a few extra reports from one single game.
: > [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kHtytAg7,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-06-21T08:02:39.995+0000) > > Well he said Riot is not protecting him, and for his actions he will accept it. He kept his word for that at least. It is good to learn Riot does not have "favorites" as many have said like some sort of conspiracy. (i would be scared shitless if that really exists because it means a streamer can track you down to get banned) > > Besides, i wanted them both banned. I honestly didn't want either one banned. Human behavior is a part of life, as are misunderstandings and complications. The guy has a very unpleasant personality, but only actions taken because of it are an issue i'm more concerned that people can not separate alternative strategies and off meta from griefing, inting, afk'ing and other deliberate, punishable offenses tahm kench or Kalista forcing you under tower with their abilities...that's griefing. Anivia walling off allies constantly...griefing Trying something new and different based on experience: annoying, but not griefing
> [{quoted}](name=3TWarrior,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kHtytAg7,comment-id=000400000003,timestamp=2019-06-21T21:09:21.785+0000) > > I honestly didn't want either one banned. Human behavior is a part of life, as are misunderstandings and complications. The guy has a very unpleasant personality, but only actions taken because of it are an issue > > i'm more concerned that people can not separate alternative strategies and off meta from griefing, inting, afk'ing and other deliberate, punishable offenses > > tahm kench or Kalista forcing you under tower with their abilities...that's griefing. Anivia walling off allies constantly...griefing > > Trying something new and different based on experience: annoying, but not griefing This. Dishing out a ban to make up for nb3 harrassing an off-meta player then getting him banned doesn't fix the problem for off-meta players. Follow your rules and inform players if they have a unique play style that "requires" extra communication.
: Whats everyone talking about? {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
> [{quoted}](name=ı Sona ı,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9TrQjVsX,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-06-21T08:13:26.673+0000) > > Whats everyone talking about? > > {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} Another off-meta contraversy...at least this one got some decent exposure :)
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