Preata (NA)
: https://twitter.com/danielzklein/status/1035725651339173888 isn't this basically the same argument BLM had? "we fucked up in the past, no one is arguing that. however, we're going to resolve it by punishing the other party who had NOTHING to do with our grievances"
> [{quoted}](name=Preata,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=2GXo1gOf,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2018-09-06T07:47:42.495+0000) > > https://twitter.com/danielzklein/status/1035725651339173888 > > isn't this basically the same argument BLM had? "we fucked up in the past, no one is arguing that. however, we're going to resolve it by punishing the other party who had NOTHING to do with our grievances" "We'll also let this rabid creature we found out of its cage and let him tell 90% of our community that they are no longer welcome in gaming, and to walk into a jet turbine".
: Shit started smoldering when the articles regarding their internal sexism were published, Fire started rising when they announced the entire "lock the men out!" thing, Then we got hit with napalm strikes repeatedly when someone let Daniel out, and added with the rather big balance issue´s and frustrations and indeed, suddenly everything and anything is on fire. At least it´ll be interesting to see what ends up being cooked and into what state.
> [{quoted}](name=Thefrostyviking,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=uRbAEByt,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-05T20:17:31.561+0000) > > Shit started smoldering when the articles regarding their internal sexism were published, > > Fire started rising when they announced the entire "lock the men out!" thing, > > Then we got hit with napalm strikes repeatedly when someone let Daniel out, and added with the rather big balance issue´s and frustrations and indeed, suddenly everything and anything is on fire. > > > At least it´ll be interesting to see what ends up being cooked and into what state. And now the obese specimen known as Daniel Klein is telling men to walk into a jet turbine. Dude Riot's PR is amazing let me tell ya.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sammystorm,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=2GXo1gOf,comment-id=000400020000000000000001,timestamp=2018-09-05T09:00:28.054+0000) > > Honestly the pax panel was pointless. It did very little to increase gender equality and it was not communicated very well. It also was more of a step back in racial equality which seems to be a bigger issue in video game culture to me. The conference actively prevented male minorities from attending the conference. The biggest issue here is how stupid Daniel Klein was. He said really stupid things and the opinions he expressed as facts are not scientifically backed up very well. What I mean by that is he treated the entire male community as if they were privileged. Men as a group are privileged but that does not mean all men are privileged. For example, I doubt you would argue that black men are privileged. Not even all white men are privileged. There are many white men who lack opportunity. In fact many white men are less privileged then some women. A urban white female is more likely to be privileged then a rural white male in the middle of nowhere. The only thing we can say is that men, in a comparable situation to women, are more privileged. By painting everything in such broad strokes, saying things like "It is impossible for men to be discriminated against" and "All men just need to leave", Daniel really lost all his credibility to me. I also think the way he delivered his opinions was stupid and makes me question his opinions. Just like the hostile and aggressive posts on this board make me question the posters opinion. As far as I know the whole panel wasn't even tailored towards women or non-binary folks and the decision to make it exclusive for non-men is a complete afterthought. And then the argument that everyone could have watched the stream is again pure hypocrisy, because it doesn't just apply to men but everyone. Women and non-binary folks could have watched the stream just like men, that is equality of opportunity. So there is absolutely no reason to make people feel uncomfortable by forcefully dividing them. Think about all the couples or friends of different gender that didn't participate because they didn't want to be seperated. I guess for certain people at Riot couples or friends are then just oppressor and oppressed and you need to save the oppressed by breaking this power construct. It's a completely insane way of thinking. It really is a failed publicity stunt that Riot tried to pull off. They wanted to set an example, like "look how much we care about sexism". They ended up going to the opposite extreme, which led to some radical voices from within their company feeling confident enough to come out with their ideological nonsense. So by trying to fight the sexism allegations (which btw we don't even know to be true and we probably never will now for sure) they ended up revealing even more problems. So now we have general sexism allegations and on top of that radical leftists who also happen to be sexist AND racist (except they deny that based on their insane ideology). Froskurinn: > White men believe that just because there's no sign on the door that explicitly says "no girls allowed" that they haven't consciously and subconsciously controlled the system to put up the sign anyway. And they've been doing it for hundreds of years. DZK: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/406/866/e00.jpg Basically what they are saying is, if you are a white male you are subconsciously oppressing women and non-binary folks and they don't accept you as individuals with individual differences and choices. Vice versa if you are a women you are probably oppressed without realizing it and they also don't accept you as individuals with individual differences and choices made based on free will. So they are not just patronizing men but literally everyone and they see themselves in morally superior position beyond doubt. They are actually completely narcissistic and elevating themselves over everyone. It's disgusting. Now I am just waiting for Riot to tell us that climate change is a lie and that the earth is flat and also that foreigners are stealing jobs at RIot, so we can enjoy the complete spectrum of stupidity. I am just wondering, where are the reasonable people at Riot Games? Why are they silent?
> [{quoted}](name=FixHealsRemoveGW,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=2GXo1gOf,comment-id=0004000200000000000000010001,timestamp=2018-09-05T10:22:04.897+0000) > > As far as I know the whole panel wasn't even tailored towards women or non-binary folks and the decision to make it exclusive for non-men is a complete afterthought. > And then the argument that everyone could have watched the stream is again pure hypocrisy, because it doesn't just apply to men but everyone. Women and non-binary folks could have watched the stream just like men, that is equality of opportunity. > So there is absolutely no reason to make people feel uncomfortable by forcefully dividing them. Think about all the couples or friends of different gender that didn't participate because they didn't want to be seperated. I guess for certain people at Riot couples or friends are then just oppressor and oppressed and you need to save the oppressed by breaking this power construct. It's a completely insane way of thinking. > It really is a failed publicity stunt that Riot tried to pull off. > They wanted to set an example, like "look how much we care about sexism". > They ended up going to the opposite extreme, which led to some radical voices from within their company feeling confident enough to come out with their ideological nonsense. > So by trying to fight the sexism allegations (which btw we don't even know to be true and we probably never will now for sure) they ended up revealing even more problems. > > So now we have general sexism allegations and on top of that radical leftists who also happen to be sexist AND racist (except they deny that based on their insane ideology). > > Froskurinn: > > DZK: > > https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/406/866/e00.jpg > > Basically what they are saying is, if you are a white male you are subconsciously oppressing women and non-binary folks and they don't accept you as individuals with individual differences and choices. > Vice versa if you are a women you are probably oppressed without realizing it and they also don't accept you as individuals with individual differences and choices made based on free will. > So they are not just patronizing men but literally everyone and they see themselves in morally superior position beyond doubt. > They are actually completely narcissistic and elevating themselves over everyone. > It's disgusting. > > Now I am just waiting for Riot to tell us that climate change is a lie and that the earth is flat and also that foreigners are stealing jobs at RIot, so we can enjoy the complete spectrum of stupidity. > > I am just wondering, where are the reasonable people at Riot Games? Why are they silent? Exactly. Riot just thought it was a quick way out of their sexism scandal to just segregate all the men. But that's actually fucking illegal so, great job I guess asshats.
: Everyone just leave the game, but continue protesting.
Already quit until something gets done about it. Just staying here on the boards to see what transpires.
Malza (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Cant Fit Lette,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=5E4bTUEE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-09-06T07:17:14.188+0000) > > Actually they keep on removing that video I was referring to without exception. It's protecting a racist and sexist douchebag for no apparent reason. Extremely generous lol? Ya letting the community express their rightful outrage unless they say one bad word, real gift from the heavens. The posted video are stuff from over a decade old, not relevant, and were only ever posted in the first place because someone wanted to grow his youtube channel. Bringing up jokes a person made ten years ago does not show hypocrisy, does not show double standards, and does not reflect on how a person is today. It is just witch hunting just so people here can say "Heh.. gotcha, ur the real sexist, scumbag." instead of actually making a thoughtful post.
> [{quoted}](name=Malza,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=5E4bTUEE,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-06T07:29:48.076+0000) > > The posted video are stuff from over a decade old, not relevant, and were only ever posted in the first place because someone wanted to grow his youtube channel. > > Bringing up jokes a person made ten years ago does not show hypocrisy, does not show double standards, and does not reflect on how a person is today. > > It is just witch hunting just so people here can say "Heh.. gotcha, ur the real sexist scumbag" instead of actually making a thoughtful post. It was more recent than 10 years ago, and I highly doubt he changed his entire identity within those years. That video is very relevant actually, when he makes a baseless claim of calling the entire League of Legends male population "toxic sexist man children" when almost none of us have a history of sexism yet he himself does.
Evangele (NA)
: Updated (And Clarified) GD Rules
How about you just can it with the rules already while Riot sets a precedent that it's okay to encourage suicide?
: Can you please shove it with the "Golden Rule" until it applies to Riot employees as well?
Ah nah they just enforced it on this thread. It's like they enjoy being hated by the community.
Malza (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Cant Fit Lette,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=5E4bTUEE,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-09-06T06:55:34.587+0000) >Like guess what, you're on Daniel's hate list too if you're a part of this community, why defend him for no compensation at all? They aren't defending him, they are enforcing boards rules to try to keep the community a better place. >where we say something not even close to the caliber of toxicity Daniel uses While sometimes you may get posts removed for using the same caliber language Daniel uses, I have seen far worse on here than Daniel uses in many threads as well as attempts to turn this all into something it is not. >and it gets us temporary banned and our well thought out posts deleted? Well thought out is a bit of an overreach, almost all threads about the PAX issue are exactly the same thread with slightly different wordings meant to spam the boards and fill up the front page. People here are not acting in good faith for the rules of our community by creating so many threads of the same exact thing. Almost every single one of the PAX threads could have been comments in a couple bigger threads. > Do you want to be the road block for people seeing Daniel's true colors, because you are doing exactly that when you kept on removing that video showing his racism and sexism earlier today. I don't know how you could say this when the entire front page of boards besides 3-4 posts is the same topic about PAX/Klein. Moderators are being extremely generous allowing almost 50 threads of the same topic on the front page. If we had 50 of the same thread of almost any other topic, they would have been redirected to a megathread and the vast majority of them removed.
> [{quoted}](name=Malza,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=5E4bTUEE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-06T07:15:13.121+0000) > > > I don't know how you could say this when the entire front page of boards besides 3-4 posts is the same topic about PAX/Klein. Moderators are being extremely generous allowing almost 50 threads of the same topic on the front page. If we had 50 of the same thread of almost any other topic, they would have been redirected to a megathread or the vast majority of them removed. Actually they keep on removing that video I was referring to without exception. It's protecting a racist and sexist douchebag for no apparent reason. Extremely generous lol? Ya letting the community express their rightful outrage unless they say one bad word, real gift from the heavens.
: Are we forgetting about the other rioters?
This. People need to stop giving the free pass to riot and saying "hurr durr just one employee" because it's not, if it was just one employee that one employee would have been terminated right after he tweeted that shit.
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: What is riots official policy on employees advocating for the death of their fan base?
Further advancement and lower level employees saying he has a good standing right now. As you can see, Riot has given us the 100th middle finger this week.
: Actual reason for riot silence.
The real reason is Riot is trying to just let it blow over so they don't have to take any responsibility. Bunch of fucking cucks they are honestly.
Swegmec (NA)
: Suggestion: Revert all pro play-focused changes after the competitions are over
Arrsenic (EUW)
: Make separate balance for 1-pro play [worlds] 2-flex queue 3-solo queue
: Man, Jax's ability icons are UGLY.
Hey, the gameplay discussions can wait, I recommend you start focusing with the rest of the community on saving Riot from literally ending themselves as a company.
: The DZK conspiracy has made it to Polygon NEWS folks
Needs more traction, much more. Riot's trying to let this drown out and we need to take this past the boards if we want that sack of shit gone and competent leadership forced into Riot. Luckily, I think we have all the tools necessary, especially with that one video that surfaced proving Daniel Z Klein dislikes people of color and views women as inferior, and also as of I believe today him supporting suicide for male gamers. Most news sites will need some variety once in a while, we've just gotta start spamming the shit out of story submissions.
: Lets talk a little about Daniel Klein, Riot, and the community
No. I think its time the boards are changed to a free for all policy, as employees can now encourage suicide so, what's stopping it?
: Riot, you have no excuse for defending Daniel Z Klein now.
Daniel Klein, the wonderful face of Riot: * Racist against people of color * Believes women were created inferior to men * Tells men they are no longer welcome in gaming * Tells those same men to die by walking into a turbine And yet we get punished for much less? Very fair Riot, definitely not shooting yourselves in the foot with a fucking machine gun.

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