: When did riot become so money hungry?
> [{quoted}](name=Galactic Mayhem,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gIBmIa0q,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-17T11:45:22.529+0000) > > As the title says, like if I want a border for a champ I like I need to > > A-Spend upwards of 3K rp and be forced to get all chromas for the skin (THAT CAN BE BOUGHT INDIVIDUALLY, but not the border) > > B- Grind for tokens by buying the pass( liked its not hard enough to grind for stuff like prestige, imagine you want both) > > This is what's gonna happen with the project event > > What happened to just getting the border by crafting it FOR FREE or just getting cause you bought the skin early > > When did riot become this money hungry.... Optional BTW.
: TFT *NEEDS* to grant an identical number of items to all players.
> [{quoted}](name=Shinjusuke,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=gowwUb5m,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-17T05:14:46.311+0000) > > There's a reason all the other Autochess games do this. > > There is no way for the game to be a strategy game when I've *literally*, I'm not exaggerating, gone into games where I end round 3 with the *single* item granted by the champion you pick up in the first draft while my opponent has *SIX* items. > > I genuinely do not understand why this decision was made. The game is RNG enough by its nature in many, many forms. Massive item discrepancies turn it into little more than a coin flip. Autochess didn't until its huge overhaul... Give them time to copy the new features, they just copied the old ones.
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=rzUixto3,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T04:50:16.252+0000) > > And if those bugs were only apparent once the stress of live servers was put on the patch? > > And no, that has nothing to do with it. Tell me a single time you've seen Riot completely pull a patch - you haven't - because with the way patching works, **it's likely simply impossible**. It'd take **hours** to get the code in place for a patch to "undo" the patch that was already done - you can't just hit "undo" a few times - you have to undo the individual lines changed in many many files. > > So even if it *was* possible, it would've taken just as long to revert the patch as it did to get many of the bugs fixed. While there's still a few - they aren't gamebreaking anymore, and thus there's absolutely no reason for Riot to even consider a "revert" (which, again, likely isn't possible). Let me put it this way, there were so many I'm surprised more of them weren't straight up caught and reported. Even with the much smaller PBE population, that was a LOT of shit outright breaking the game. Secondly, this is why rollback exists. If the patch had to be delayed a week or two, so what? It's better to have a fully functional game that's not updated versus an unplayable one "because of a side game tournament". The tournament could have been played on 9.13 OR on a hotfix specifically for that mode. That's much more reasonable than even THINKING it's okay to leave the standard game unplayable.
> [{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=rzUixto3,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-18T04:58:16.274+0000) > > Let me put it this way, there were so many I'm surprised more of them weren't straight up caught and reported. Even with the much smaller PBE population, that was a LOT of shit outright breaking the game. > > Secondly, this is why rollback exists. If the patch had to be delayed a week or two, so what? It's better to have a fully functional game that's not updated versus an unplayable one "because of a side game tournament". The tournament could have been played on 9.13 OR on a hotfix specifically for that mode. That's much more reasonable than even THINKING it's okay to leave the standard game unplayable. BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T ISSUES ON PBE. There are thousands and thousands of games for playtesting on PBE, I am apart of them. I did not see any of these bugs during my time there. Rollback HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN THIS GAME. Its actually impossible for them to do. The sooner you get it through your thick skull that coding works differently on different servers, the sooner you can stop arguing and looking like an idiot to everyone who knows the basics of coding.
: > [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VsV12H7a,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-16T23:45:14.247+0000) > > Hi, I was wondering what metrics you use to determine that Shaco is in need of a buff. According to Lolayltics, he's sitting at 52% winrate with 4% pickrate in Plat+ and 55% winrate with only 2% playrate in Masters+. While I agree these numbers wouldn't put him in top tier by any means, its also a pretty far cry from needing straight buffs. He has pretty good numbers in Plat+ and the high ELO mains seem to be making him work in high ELO as well > > Are you proposing straight buff(s) or a trade off for more damage to make him feel better to play? the metrics i use is the general consensus of all high elo shaco mains, statistics are a very bad approach when it comes to a champ that is exclusively played by one tricks
> [{quoted}](name=Desperate Shaco,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VsV12H7a,comment-id=00020003,timestamp=2019-07-16T23:59:59.874+0000) > > the metrics i use is the general consensus of all high elo shaco mains, statistics are a very bad approach when it comes to a champ that is exclusively played by one tricks Yeah lets listen to people like ChaseShaco who are just mad that his champion can't do what it has NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DO. I'm gonna listen to statistics because that shows that what these high elo players are complaining about, clearly isn't enough of an issue to kill the champion. 52% win rate in high elo is absolutely fine and shows nothing more or less than the champion is fine. If you think differently, then I want massive Kha'Zix buffs just because he is bad in this meta so I can absolutely destroy games again (Kha'Zix despite struggling does not require buffs and neither does Shaco). I just don't understand, is 52% win rate not good enough? Do we really need to push this to 60%? How broken does the champion need to be before people are happy? The one thing that people like you do not comprehend, is champion's can be quite good, but bad at the same time because they do not function within a certain meta. Shaco and Kha'Zix are both going through the exact same thing here, they do not function in this bruiser heavy meta. Both champions are actually ok in certain games. Just look at what they did to Sejuani, they buffed her because she was bad in the meta, the meta shifted slightly and she became a god. Thank christ you along with these high elo Shaco mains are not on the balance team, cause Shaco would be the only good champion.
: I do not think the future is bright for this mode. Riot's philosophy for it is not reassuring.
> [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=a8FLLFAo,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-17T15:01:15.320+0000) > > The development so far of Teamfight Tactics has led me to believe that riot does not want to make a good, strategy based game. I believe they want to make a mostly RNG based game that incentivizes playing enormous amounts of games instead of playing a smaller amount of quality games. > > #The RNG. > > Yes, TFT is an RNG based gamemode. You cannot remove RNG from it, but it is also not entirely based upon RNG. Being able to create an intelligent team composition, position your team effectively, create the best items, etc. is VITAL to winning games. But far too much of the game is based entirely upon random chance. There is no such thing as an intelligent teamcomp in a full RNG based game that has minimal variation. People are going to push what is best, they will either get it or not get it. But hey, the game is intended to be fully random, its how the game is supposed to be, so its fine, I will just never play it.
Terozu (NA)
: My first match said my allied karthus killed me via Steel Tempest and Silver Bolts.
> [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KewEG7M7,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-17T23:25:05.039+0000) > > My first match said my allied karthus killed me via Steel Tempest and Silver Bolts. But he did xD You got killed by an allied Karthus who was also Yasuo and Vayne. The game says so so therefore it is so.
: That was a million times better than what we have today. I don't think you've actually thought through what you're saying, You see, you're tunneling on the idea that when you get a lead that you should be able to close out games because of it. This all sounds logical and fair until you realize that you're playing with 4 other people on your team. And to make matters worse, at least one of these 4 is highly likely to be a fuckin r%%%%%. So what happens when he decides in the first 7 minutes to give a massive lead by going 0-5 in bot lane vs a Draven? What happens when they guy you're facing in top lane is not a r%%%%% that will feed you 5 kills to counteract? So I'm just supposed to sit there like a zombie for 20 fuckin minutes watching this Draven 1v5 my team with zero options but to wait for him to end? How the fuck is that fair? Why should that r%%%%%ed piece of shit be able to decide by himself that I should lose the game? You see, you're thinking about leads that you can get and you're forgetting that there are 5 players on the enemy team that can get leads too. Fuck no...In season 5 you had options. Now you don't. Season 5 was the fuckin best this game has ever been.
> [{quoted}](name=FioraWillCarry,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u2aEAlaa,comment-id=000c000000010000,timestamp=2019-07-17T09:34:43.463+0000) > > That was a million times better than what we have today. I don't think you've actually thought through what you're saying, You see, you're tunneling on the idea that when you get a lead that you should be able to close out games because of it. This all sounds logical and fair until you realize that you're playing with 4 other people on your team. And to make matters worse, at least one of these 4 is highly likely to be a fuckin r%%%%%. So what happens when he decides in the first 7 minutes to give a massive lead by going 0-5 in bot lane vs a Draven? What happens when they guy you're facing in top lane is not a r%%%%% that will feed you 5 kills to counteract? So I'm just supposed to sit there like a zombie for 20 fuckin minutes watching this Draven 1v5 my team with zero options but to wait for him to end? How the fuck is that fair? Why should that r%%%%%ed piece of shit be able to decide by himself that I should lose the game? You see, you're thinking about leads that you can get and you're forgetting that there are 5 players on the enemy team that can get leads too. > > Fuck no...In season 5 you had options. Now you don't. Season 5 was the fuckin best this game has ever been. Nope, you play better than that Draven, if you can't that is on you. Sometimes you will lose games because your teammates are stupid, it happens. But it is nowhere close to the majority of the time, and I think maybe 1/20 of my games in low elo are unwinnable. Mind you I do not expect much from people who are hardstuck silver because they just throw the blame onto everything but themselves. I remember back in Season 3 and 4 when people accepted responsibility for not playing good enough to win the game. I'm still hardcarrying games in low elo, high elo is a whole nother beast, I'm actually having alot of issues getting to 550lp to get challenger this season, I'm probably just not good enough to get there. There are so many things in this game to counter someone who's fed. Knowledge is a big thing considering the majority of silver players are incredibly basic in their knowledge of the game. Mechanics is huge as well. I do want to point out this account started in Bronze 2, so there is no excuse for not being able to climb in silver. If you can't it is 100% on you.
Comentários de Rioters
Febos (EUW)
: Imagine having proper testing on PBE. https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.364225782.1573/mp,840x830,matte,f8f8f8,t-pad,750x1000,f8f8f8.jpg
> [{quoted}](name=Febos,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VfHXEqlE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-17T13:55:49.439+0000) > > Imagine having proper testing on PBE. > > https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.364225782.1573/mp,840x830,matte,f8f8f8,t-pad,750x1000,f8f8f8.jpg They did, its the port to live that brought the bugs, because this feature was not bugged on PBE, can confirm!
: Riot just trolled itself with yuumi rebalance....
Remember how the champion was broken in the right hands before they hard buffed everything about her? She DESERVES EVERY NERF coming her way and then some. Her W is fundamentally busted just like Tahm Kench's W. She will get nerf after nerf after nerf until she is unplayable.
Zac x Me (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ratatouka,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VfHXEqlE,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-07-17T14:20:31.740+0000) > > if you hover over lethality items(which usually gives 21 lethality), it will tell you that it negates 8 (i think) flat armor. The point being: WHAT WAS SO DAMN WRONG WITH KEEPING IT "ARMOR PENETRATION" ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? NO CLARITY CHANGES BY PEOPLE THAT DON'T EVEN PLAY THE GAME LET'S JUST USE FANCY WORDS SO KEWL
> [{quoted}](name=Zac x Me,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=VfHXEqlE,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-07-17T14:21:54.585+0000) > > The point being: WHAT WAS SO DAMN WRONG WITH KEEPING IT "ARMOR PENETRATION" ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > > NO CLARITY > > CHANGES BY PEOPLE THAT DON'T EVEN PLAY THE GAME > > LET'S JUST USE FANCY WORDS SO KEWL Are you really crying over the name of a mechanic... how sad.
: So..... with the Blitz change....... Morgana?
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZwxdRZro,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-18T00:55:44.205+0000) > > Whose going to stop banning Morgana with the Blitzcrank R change that destroys shields? > > I'm pretty sure most people already hate Blitz. Now, not only can he pull you over a wall at any level, at 6+ he can not only take half your HP + in Q/W, he can now destroy your shield before R activates, meaning all R damage passes through. > > And what's his counter? Pretty much only {{champion:25}} Blitz is trash. Will still be trash after the slight buff.
: > [{quoted}](name=DUDE BRO,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Bs64zgAH,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-07-17T05:44:17.353+0000) > > Did you see Tahm? His Q doesn't even apply stacks anymore. So even if you ! first you need to use 3 more autos. > They even removed the mini stun and blindness from eating enemies on top of nerfing every single ability he has and removing multiple features from each. > > Talk about gutting a champ. Oh I'm very aware, I'm a Tahm main. They gutted his support to move him to top, then gutted him in top. He essentially doesn't exist now
> [{quoted}](name=Trolosaurus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Bs64zgAH,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-07-17T06:02:42.356+0000) > > Oh I'm very aware, I'm a Tahm main. > They gutted his support to move him to top, then gutted him in top. > He essentially doesn't exist now Yeah this generally happens when a champion is completely cancer to play against and has an ability that is completely overloaded in what it can do. Like Tahm's W. Or Galio's W.
: > [{quoted}](name=Cevrad,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u2aEAlaa,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-07-16T05:06:17.381+0000) > > Yes it should and no they shouldn't fix it. The alternative is games never end. We were there once before back in Season 5, we know how it is when you can't snowball a game, and no, absolutely nobody wants this. Ah hell no. Screw you with that shit. I played in Season 5 and the game was a lot better then. It was actually possible to win games when you had hard core feeders back then. Not this bullshit we have today where your bot lane goes 0-10 and it's gg. Fuck that. I want Season 5 back.
> [{quoted}](name=FioraWillCarry,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u2aEAlaa,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2019-07-16T06:57:15.474+0000) > > Ah hell no. Screw you with that shit. I played in Season 5 and the game was a lot better then. It was actually possible to win games when you had hard core feeders back then. Not this bullshit we have today where your bot lane goes 0-10 and it's gg. Fuck that. I want Season 5 back. 50 minute slugfests where waves get instantly cleared with no way to actually end a game isn't fun. Thats why they changed it, when you have a massive lead you should be able to push it to the breaking point. Do I think its too easy now? Perhaps but its better than S5 50 minute meta xD
Juxin (NA)
: If Riot would put forth effort like they do their skins, the game would be a lot healthier to play.
> [{quoted}](name=Juxin,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=EnlAdZxj,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-15T21:06:03.232+0000) > > * Jungling consists of cheesing right now, and just sits top lane for the first 8 minutes of the game. > * Autofill is completely toxic to deal with in ranked, people give up before the game even starts. > * People are allowed to first time champions in ranked. (_**I understand champion swapping is a thing**_). > * Winning steaks completely breaks matchmaking. > * I've been getting bug splatted more often. > * People are just giving up over everything right now. > * Blue Essense is an ass system, I don't like having to play 12 games to level up so I can buy a champion. > * All it takes is one player to ruin the game for everyone else right now because of how much free gold there is being thrown around. > * Comebacks are damn near impossible because of the previous statement above. (_**Tower plating is the main culprit here, you get 800 gold plus first tower bonus gold for taking all of them**_.) > * Players are allowed to int freely as long as they don't say anything in game. (_**I don't mean running it down mid, I mean purposely losing the game via farming all game, running around in circles and not grouping with the team for example**_). > > Etc. > > Seriously though, if Riot would put forth any ounce of effort like they do their skin line, they game would feel so much better to play. It's like their focusing on making money rather than fixing the game itself, which doesn't make any sense to me. I get they're a company, but in order for people to buy skins, they need to at least enjoy the game. Lets go point by point: -That just isn't how jungle is played at any elo ever lol. I dunno where you get this info from, but its just wrong. -This is not a problem with autofill, this is a problem with the playerbase. -If people want to first time a champion in ranked, by all means do so, sometimes its actually just the best option. Like how I picked Darius jungle first time last game just because my plethora of champions didn't fit the enemy comp well. -I dunno if I can argue this one. My heart wants to say no, but experience says yeah it does. -Bug splats are completely on you, or it would be server wide which I can guarantee isn't the case. -Again, a problem with people not Riot. -BE is way better than the previous system and I think you might be the only person to think differently xD -Can't argue with this one, I actually dislike that one person generally loses the game for one team. -Comebacks are impossible in high elo, but not in low elo. But this has really been the case since end of season 4, so there is nothing new about this. -This isn't true, I ran it down in a game on EUW and got banned. Learned real quick to just not xD -I'm going to quote a good group of friends of mine from high elo. "The game is fine, it's actually quite fun to play, but the people make this game so f***ing ass that it makes me want to uninstall on the daily". I actually do agree with them after a long and honest thought about the gamestate and how the game plays. See the issue with the game right now isn't balance at all, its actually quite balanced. I think as far as the game plays, there are no standout problems aside from a few really broken abilities in the game. Gold? Eh maybe thats a problem that there is so much given out so fast, but that is the meta, is fine. But the playerbase is actually the worst. In ranked specifically it is the worst its ever been. People soft inting games for no reason other than that they can. People just giving up and split pushing all game cause they went 0-1. Decent players just not playing even close to the best of their ability in games. Now there used to be a check for this, it was called flaming. But now that check is actually just banable in favor of nurturing a "for fun" environment. But this nurturing has only made it so you can do whatever you want so long as you don't run it down lanes, and so long as you don't be toxic. It is now a competitive game which nurtures not caring about winning. And this reality has proven to be fundamentally catastrophic to the community and its interaction with one another. I CANNOT FAULT RIOT FOR ANY OF THIS. Do I think they should be taking away accounts for words said, absolutely not unless you are being a racist bigot. But I do understand why they put the system in place. However I do fault them for their mistake in the MMR system on win streaks. Don't get me wrong, its not impossible to win those games by any means, but they get significantly harder after a few wins and it is due to teammates, not due to higher MMR of game. For some reason teammates MMR does not increase on a win streak, but the enemy's does (or teammates increase at a much slower interval, dunno which, don't have numbers). I went on a winstreak of 9 for my first account to rank to plat this season. It was on a 9 win streak at about S2, and I crap you not, opponents were Plat 4, teammates were gold 4. This is the reality of the system though, and I absolutely do fault them for it.
: Clearly these silver noobs on boards don't know how to deal with her. That's why in higher elo, people who aren't noobs actually start to beat her... Oh wait. https://u.gg/lol/champions/riven/build/?rank=master_plus Masters+, she has 54.55% win rate, 19.3% ban rate, 10.9% pick rate. jUsT lEaRn To DeAl wItH hEr is not valid.
> [{quoted}](name=I Give You HIV,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=seHZtAan,comment-id=0000000000010001,timestamp=2019-07-15T22:49:19.333+0000) > > Clearly these silver noobs on boards don't know how to deal with her. That's why in higher elo, people who aren't noobs actually start to beat her... > > Oh wait. https://u.gg/lol/champions/riven/build/?rank=master_plus > > Masters+, she has 54.55% win rate, 19.3% ban rate, 10.9% pick rate. > > jUsT lEaRn To DeAl wItH hEr is not valid. That win rate is lower than where most of the skilled champions in the game sit if they are anywhere near good. There is so much to factor into any given champion and whether it is busted. But her playrate is pretty low if you are looking from a top lane perspective. Not that it matters anyways because she will get completely dumped on by Renekton next patch.
: Ah yes, we should judge a champion's balance state totally by the best players. Also: **the changes *still* decreased her win rate *and* pick rate on the patch they came out** How something develops **3 patches later** is not the concern of a single nerf **which did it's exact job of lowering her win rate minorly, focusing mainly on frustration.**
> [{quoted}](name=Wilk Rycerz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=seHZtAan,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-15T16:20:25.476+0000) > > Ah yes, we should judge a champion's balance state totally by the best players. > > Also: **the changes *still* decreased her win rate *and* pick rate on the patch they came out** > > How something develops **3 patches later** is not the concern of a single nerf **which did it's exact job of lowering her win rate minorly, focusing mainly on frustration.** Ignore the plebs. They don't understand that a champion when nerfed alot of the time will keep its winrate unless it was a total gutting of the champion. Reason being obviously that people who main the champion are still going to play said champion, but the masses of people who were bad with it and just playing the FotM stopped playing it.
Yenn (NA)
: My lane is 3-0-0 at level 6. I'm being 100 to 0'd in a single combo. I can't play the game.
> [{quoted}](name=Yenn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u2aEAlaa,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-16T00:03:41.938+0000) > > I'm mid against Akali. She killed my jungler three times, and all three times were because of stupid decisions on his part. > > The first time, he invaded red, and then did krugs. The enemy saw and collapsed on him. Akali got the kill and double buff. > The second time, he tried to fight over a scuttle while I didn't have priority, because the Akali has double buff, and died again. > The third time, he tried to invade again while I was completely OOM. I pinged my mana and for him to retreat, but he continued, and died a third time as they collapsed on him. > > At this point, as soon as I entered lane, Akali 100 to 0'd me from full health. I literally cannot play the game beyond sitting under my turret and farming, while she roams to other lanes and one shots them. The jungle got invaded and left, then we opened mid around 9 minutes, because none of us could do anything at this point. > > Can we please fucking fix this?** It should not be possible for a lane to be put into an unplayable state within the first 6 minutes of the game.** Yes it should and no they shouldn't fix it. The alternative is games never end. We were there once before back in Season 5, we know how it is when you can't snowball a game, and no, absolutely nobody wants this. I'd expect more cognitive reasoning out of a diamond player, but we all know anyone can make even GM this season because nobody cares about winning xD
Hotarµ (NA)
: > The vayne that only I can kill, and yes I got hit by it and it was the started the last fight of the game. Could have won but eh, 1 mistake in a game where I'm the only damage is enough to lose. I don't understand why you don't think that wouldn't happen with any other champion. If your primary DPS dies, your potential to win a fight goes way down. All MOBAs are like this, League itself has been like this since the beginning.
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1bBQXlUv,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-16T04:22:26.323+0000) > > I don't understand why you don't think that wouldn't happen with any other champion. If your primary DPS dies, your potential to win a fight goes way down. All MOBAs are like this, League itself has been like this since the beginning. Dunno what you are talking about champions for. I know the game well enough to understand how it works. Its more a counterpoint to what everyone claims: I can't win games because of matchmaking and it being trash all the time. Its like sure this happens like in this game 1/10 games, but thats just a flaw of matchmaking in general. Sorry thought the title said it all, didn't realize that people didn't actually read those :P
Hotarµ (NA)
: >Living proof that sometimes, 1 small mistake like getting hit by a lux Q is enough to lose the game purely because your team is a bunch of monkeys xD Getting hit by one ability once isn't enough to make your team completely lose a game unless it's the final teamfight. Are you sure it didn't have anything to do with the 20/6 Vayne?
> [{quoted}](name=Hotarµ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1bBQXlUv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-16T04:14:54.896+0000) > > Getting hit by one ability once isn't enough to make your team completely lose a game unless it's the final teamfight. > > Are you sure it didn't have anything to do with the 20/6 Vayne? The vayne that only I can kill, and yes I got hit by it and it was the started the last fight of the game. Could have won but eh, 1 mistake in a game where I'm the only damage is enough to lose.
Comentários de Rioters
: like playing lux, seeing rengar coming, throwing your q out and hitting him mid ult dash but still dying to him anyway
> [{quoted}](name=Zane Zephyr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=T8eXlPU5,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-14T03:33:06.922+0000) > > like playing lux, seeing rengar coming, throwing your q out and hitting him mid ult dash but still dying to him anyway When you realize root is not the same as hard CC. Your root doesn't stop any jump in the game lmao.
l MrD l (NA)
: I feel like toxic people just like to rage about anything
> [{quoted}](name=l MrD l,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=z6oK2FIl,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-14T15:07:42.008+0000) > > Just got hard flames for the following 2 reasons > > 1. Being melee range as a jhin with no flash vs an irelia > > Was in a skirmish with out sej vs an irelia she ulted the sej who procced Q onto me and kills me... I get flamed for being melee range? like what else can i do when i got dashed on .... Thankfully the enemy team defended me there when the sej flamed in all chat for saying melee range jhin like da hek > > 2. Not using heal vs an irelia roam and a hec gank when im on my 4th shot? If i land that 4th shot im reloading and healing would waste the CD so id ratehr svae it for further use but no got flamed for that choice either? > > Do people ever just stop and think for a second or just rage the moment they can .. i know i can mute but at this rate i might as well mute chat and pings every game ._. Listen, toxic players exist at all elos, the difference is high elo understands that words don't mean anything at all and you can just have a spine. Both of those deaths are on you btw, you have enough ability to self peel with a sej to also help peel that there is 0 way you die unless that Irelia is already super fed, and by the sounds of it she wasn't. So you were out of position about 95% of the time. Ganks are easy to avoid, there is this magical thing called wards and walking away. It works wonders, try it some day. I can tell you this, I play in both high and low elo, have for a couple of years now. I'll let you in on a little secret: I've been permabanned 3 times for "toxicity" in low elo, but 0 in high elo, and have the exact same attitude and demeanor in both. The only difference is high elo only cares if you play to win the game, and low elo only cares if they can get away with running it down without someone flaming them. Based on that, grow a spine.
Ahlas (NA)
: Riot, please consider reverting the Riven changes of patch 9.10 and nerfing her in simpler way.
> [{quoted}](name=Ahlas,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G4eMOXIs,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-14T20:03:33.952+0000) > > {{champion:92}} > > Riven was really strong before patch 9.10. [According to u.gg, she had a 52.63% Win Rate on Diamond+ ranked games in patch 9.9.](https://u.gg/lol/champions/riven/build?rank=diamond_plus&patch=9_9) Riot realized she was too strong and tried to nerf her by making these changes: > > https://files.catbox.moe/4dtiu6.png > > The problem is that she is now probably stronger than before the changes. [In fact, she now has a higher Win Rate than before (52.79%).](http://u.gg/lol/champions/riven/build?rank=diamond_plus&patch=9_13) > > After the reduction of her Q cooldown, Riven now only needs about 25% CDR to be able to extend her Qs. Before the changes, she was only able to do that when she had about 40% CDR. Extending her Qs allows Riven to chain her third Q into a new series of Qs, giving Riven more damage and mobility. > > To try to fix the fact that Riven is still too strong, apparently Riot is trying to nerf Riven by buffing some of her counters: Renekton and Poppy. {{champion:58}} {{champion:78}} > > Renekton will receive a buff that will make his W destroy shields when he has 50+% fury and Poppy's W will now ground a champion if it blocks a dash. > > But is this a good way of dealing with the problem? > > For example, Renekton is considered a Riven counter, but if Riven plays well she has a chance of winning. This change will probably make the matchup much more one-sided and therefore will make it less fun. [And a lot of Renekton mains don't even like these changes as well, including high elo ones.](https://www.reddit.com/r/RenektonMains/comments/c825t2/only_me_who_thinks_the_upcoming_w_buff_is/) > > ==============================================//============================================== > > So, is there a better way of dealing with Riven? {{champion:92}} > > Here's a suggestion: this whole situation got a little chaotic because unnecessary changes where made to Riven's kit. In fact, many people think it's even more frustrating to play against her after the changes. Why not just nerf Riven the simple way? > > Just revert the 9.10 changes and simply nerf her from there, instead of trying to make changes that aren't really needed. > > When people complain about Riven, they usually say things like: > - She has too much mobility; > - She is too hard to punish; > - She has too much damage; > > Why not nerf these things a little? > > - Don't buff her Q cooldown, leave it as it was before. > > - Simply increase her E cooldown by something like 2 seconds on all ranks: From 10/9/8/7/6 seconds ⇒ 12/11/10/9/8 seconds. This would reasonably make her easier to punish, less mobile and less frustrating to play against. > > - And then just nerf her damage a bit. This can be done in many ways. For example, in patch 6.17 Riven's R got buffed because she needed more damage: > > https://files.catbox.moe/v3v4ev.png > > Now that Riven is very strong, Riot could simply revert that. Alternatively, they could make it so her passive only stack one time, instead of 3, which would punish bad Riven players that just spam Q and don't Auto Attack between abilities in low elo. > > I think those are reasonable changes that would make her more fair. > > Also, doesn't Spear of Shojin's {{item:3161}} passive makes champions like {{champion:92}}, {{champion:58}}, {{champion:24}} harder to deal with than they should be? It's nice to have an item that gives 20% CDR and a lot of AD, but changing the passive to something less problematic would probably make them more fair too. She has a higher win rate because the people who are actually good at her are the only people playing her.
: Goodbye cancer ranged top picks
> [{quoted}](name=Z3Sleepier,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=292drrqz,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-14T19:51:05.121+0000) > > Your autoing every melee top laner to death from a distance won't be missed. > > {{champion:126}} > > - Base AD lowered from 58 to 54 > - AD per level increased from 3.5 to 4.25 > - Shock Blast (Cannon Q) damage changed from [70/115/160/205/250/295 (+100% bAD)] to [55/105/155/205/255/305 (+120%bAD)] > > {{champion:85}} > > - Base AD lowered from 50.544 to 48 > - AD per level increased from 3.3 to 3.75 > - Attack speed lowered from .69 to .625 > - Lightning Rush (E) attack speed increased from 30/40/50/60/70% to 40/50/60/70/80% > > {{champion:518}} > > - Base AD lowered from 52 to 48 > - AD per level increased from 2 to 2.5 > - Attack speed lowered from .645 to .625 > - Attack Speed per level increased from 2.5 to 3 > - Shapesplitter (W) passive movement speed lowered from 20/25/30/35/40% to 10/15/20/25/30% > > ######I swear to god if these changes don't make it to live though Imagine believing that these changes are enough to remove these champions from top lane.
: If you cannot queue up as a duo, you should not be in the same game
> [{quoted}](name=cardinals1392,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LzHAMMPh,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-14T03:50:06.503+0000) > > A bronze and a gold player are not allowed to queue up as duo partners. Just had a game with two G4s, Two S1s and one Bronze player. That is not acceptable regardless of any other metric, if you are not allowed to duo, you shouldn't be allowed to play in the same game period. You along with a crap tonne of people don't understand what happens when you enforce this ruling. 2 things happen. 1) smurfs roll games in iron and bronze instead of at least being able to play in gold games off the bat. 2) smurfs will end up in your game eventually anyways. I want to point out, the ONLY way a bronze player can end up in a gold player's game atm is through mmr being similar. Which means that bronze player you don't wanna see because of his rank BELONGS in your game. So if you think he is bad, you are bad because you are similar mmr. I ask one question... If you don't wanna see players of similar skill to you in your game, what do you wanna see?
: Riot's matchmaking: "Well it's based on MMR" Riot's queue system: "Well it's based on rank"
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LzHAMMPh,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2019-07-14T22:55:18.235+0000) > > Riot's matchmaking: "Well it's based on MMR" > > Riot's queue system: "Well it's based on rank" The queue system is to disallow people of massively different mmrs to be in the same game. The difference between Gold 1 and Silver 4 alone is insane but they can still queue together. But a bronze landing in a gold game by random chance is amazingly good for the game, because it means that the system recognizes that bronze player as being really good, or that gold player as being really bad. Now you could swap the queue system to mmr, but its an invisible number to us, so we could never know if it was a compatible queue or not and would just be frustrating. The other way around is to make it so the game matches on rank alone which would be utterly horrible. You see people complain about smurfs now, what happens when they are in everyone's games in iron and bronze lmao.
: Normals have become such an unfun cesspool
They do, its called normals MMR. Their rank in Ranked means nothing if they don't play normals. The reality is, those people who are high rank playing normals are probably playing something they rarely play to practice. Its literally the only reason to leave ranked. Also, this account is silver 3, ill take facing a Diamond-challenger jungler, by all means, because they are in my skill bracket. Rank on an account isn't everything. Who knows, maybe your bronze 1 teammate is actually a diamond smurf who hasn't played many games. Point is, stop whining about a system that works properly.
Moody P (NA)
: "you can only climb with OP meta champions"
You do know that Garen is not actually a weak champion right? Hes not super strong or anything but he certainly isn't weak. Hes ok into every single matchup in the game, and anyone who one tricks a champion with a brain should get challenger.
: How the fuck does Kayn have no trade offs, or 'do everything'?
> [{quoted}](name=Academy Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cwnAmjNZ,comment-id=00020003,timestamp=2019-06-26T06:43:22.908+0000) > > How the fuck does Kayn have no trade offs, or 'do everything'? I actually... just don't know why he was used as an example. I guess when he was quite strong this was maybe the case with Rhaast. But his early game is complete dogshit.
: Agreed. Ever since they brought in Runes Reforged and started spitting out things like Pyke and Zoe, the game has gotten so much worse, and Riot continues to ignore us as well. Maybe when the game finally declines enough that they aren't making money, they will finally listen. Who knows.
> [{quoted}](name=MiracleMorg94,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cwnAmjNZ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-25T13:41:55.105+0000) > > Agreed. Ever since they brought in Runes Reforged and started spitting out things like Pyke and Zoe, the game has gotten so much worse, and Riot continues to ignore us as well. > > Maybe when the game finally declines enough that they aren't making money, they will finally listen. Who knows. Nope this started AT YASUO. Way before Runes Reforged. Yasuo was the start of it all, and ever since then they feel like they can get away with any release they want. A cat that is literally invulnerable but can still damage you? Why not? A champion that can click a button and autowin a game? thats fine!
Zardo (NA)
: People talk about junglers getting flamed all the time but junglers are also the most toxic people in the game. Walking between camps is free flame time for minor things. Invading without priority then dying is never their fault. Dying when they got pinged off of a gank is somehow their laners fault. Scuttle is worth more than anything else in the world to them, and if you dont think it is and drop everything for them you'll get flamed all game(even if helping costs multiple times the xo and gold that scuttle gives)
> [{quoted}](name=Zardo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=m5U3cxGI,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-25T10:36:04.054+0000) > > People talk about junglers getting flamed all the time but junglers are also the most toxic people in the game. Walking between camps is free flame time for minor things. Invading without priority then dying is never their fault. Dying when they got pinged off of a gank is somehow their laners fault. Scuttle is worth more than anything else in the world to them, and if you dont think it is and drop everything for them you'll get flamed all game(even if helping costs multiple times the xo and gold that scuttle gives) Odd, the whole statement is countered by the fact we've never had a famous jungler get an indef ban xD But every other position has one.
: How is Tarzaned still not banned?
No, unfortunately 1 person doing it and being caught doesn't solve the issue. Reality is high elo is plagued with this issue and you would know this if you actually played up there. The thing is, sure, ban the smurf that wintraded, who actually cares, cause he doesn't. Hes got a rank 1 account done completely legit, as proven with the fact HE STREAMS ALL THE GAMES ON THE ACCOUNT. He wintraded 1 game to show how easy it was to do so without getting caught. And the only reason he got caught is because he and Dekar released the info.
: Jungle is fucked so even if you are experienced it doesn't matter. A better pick wins. Not a better player.
> [{quoted}](name=Shiroyashayami,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xNnmiJYy,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-26T00:11:38.009+0000) > > Jungle is fucked so even if you are experienced it doesn't matter. A better pick wins. Not a better player. Weird I spam Shyvana alot and win alot of my games, must be the better pick as a champion who sees no high elo play, oof.
: eh, tahm top is not the worst top lane has seen, he is a problem but certainly anyone who has been a resident of top lane through the years knows there has been far worse things there before. for me, so long as there isn't a tank ekko phenom again i'm generally ok with it cause that ekko shit was actually unplayable when his %health dmg on his W passive was 5% instead of 3. and fiora isn't popular enough to truly be shown up as the balance disaster show that she is, iunno why rito keep on juicing her up with buffs here and there either. tahm currently is like vladimir's ugly cousin, twice removed, i don't want to see him but i've had worse visitors. also tryndaderp, because no one can forget a good tryndaderp.
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0FAkFtAz,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-06-22T17:18:14.447+0000) > > eh, tahm top is not the worst top lane has seen, he is a problem but certainly anyone who has been a resident of top lane through the years knows there has been far worse things there before. > for me, so long as there isn't a tank ekko phenom again i'm generally ok with it cause that ekko shit was actually unplayable when his %health dmg on his W passive was 5% instead of 3. > and fiora isn't popular enough to truly be shown up as the balance disaster show that she is, iunno why rito keep on juicing her up with buffs here and there either. > tahm currently is like vladimir's ugly cousin, twice removed, i don't want to see him but i've had worse visitors. > also tryndaderp, because no one can forget a good tryndaderp. Yep, hes a problem but nowhere near the problems like season 3 panth.
: Let's focus directly on League in general and not the Drama itself
You do understand hes just trolling NB right? It isn't how he actually feels. This isn't the first time someone has been banned for picking a champion and winning games on said champion. And it won't be the last time. Trying to defend NB at this point just kinda states how much of a fanboy you are, and immediately makes your opinion void of any meaning.
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Relax I am noob,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tzK6dYfN,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T13:25:36.931+0000) > > Look I've had my fair share of Ryze games. This current Ryze is the best iteration of Ryze so far. It is ok to change the class of a champion if the class they were intentionally designed in doesn't work. Honestly, Ryze isn't too bad as a pseudo front line late game if you can kite. > > {{item:3800}} {{item:3001}} Is it the best because they made him completely braindead xD
: got my friend permabannede - he blocked me on every media - did I do the right thing?
Wasn't a friendship if you are able to just drop him over a game, sorry. See I have two friends, we play all kinds of games together, like your situations we met over league. Sometimes the banter back and forth can get quite toxic, or one of us might go off in game on someone whos running it down. Difference is, we know at the end of the day that we are friends, and words in a game won't change that. Sure one of us could end up feeling like complete trash after the game, but there is always next time. I can't call something a friendship if its that easy to break, so no, you weren't friends, you were like office coworkers.
: Idk why you ppl are so stupid... Can't you see the difference between "normal" offmeta and his dumb strat? "Normal" offmeta gives majority of team standart laning phase, illusion of not being affected, which is basically 10 or more mins of not know that there is (R word) in my game, who thinks that XY with XY build in XY role is good, but whatever. His playstyle pushes it onto others, which without their consent is straight up griefing. That's difference. > All in all, we have a situation where there is less flexibility to play an off meta role than ever before. If you want to play something that isn’t the meta, you might as well just outright quit this game; that is my takeaway from the recent events as well as from past events. You’re going to get attacked by this wonderful community. Riot’s going to ban you. If you’re lucky you get unbanned, but you will nonetheless permanently be met with distaste and ire. Use your one braincell to go through internet, give me one exemple of some one who was banned for playing off meta things that wasn't shifting whole game around them? You can't, no one was punished for offmeta. That's the point. That's why he needs to communicate, he is shifting game too much around himself. **Play your offmeta thingy, but don't push me onto it.**
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=brEJp6Fn,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-18T10:49:43.920+0000) > > Idk why you ppl are so stupid... > > Can't you see the difference between "normal" offmeta and his dumb strat? > > "Normal" offmeta gives majority of team standart laning phase, illusion of not being affected, which is basically 10 or more mins of not know that there is (R word) in my game, who thinks that XY with XY build in XY role is good, but whatever. > > His playstyle pushes it onto others, which without their consent is straight up griefing. That's difference. > > Use your one braincell to go through internet, give me one exemple of some one who was banned for playing off meta things that wasn't shifting whole game around them? You can't, no one was punished for offmeta. That's the point. That's why he needs to communicate, he is shifting game too much around himself. > > **Play your offmeta thingy, but don't push me onto it.** 51% win rate masters, cry more bronzie.
: "NA phenomenon"
Skill based champion, 52% win rate is fine when people are only playing her cause they play her alot.
Zed genius (EUNE)
: Unpopular Opinion on the NB3-Noowhatever situation
51% win rate in masters btw, ruining games btw. What a joke opinion. I'm in that ELO, well slightly above, I have had this guy in a couple of games, hes not a troll, he isn't toxic, people just report him when they lose with him on the team cause he plays an offmeta pick. Look back to the singed who was winning 55% of games in platinum and you tell me he deserved to be banned cause he plays Singed Support. A pick should never be bannable until you are down at a 30% win rate and its clear you are not trying to win the game.
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hairdoll (NA)
: Lmao look up Nubrac and realize he does this leeching xp, terrible strat often and it is not "roaming" as stated. He sits in Lane and Leeches xp from mid/top. Don't get butthurt because he finally got what he deserved.
> [{quoted}](name=hairdoll,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=qiPFxtE2,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-18T01:35:17.093+0000) > > Lmao look up Nubrac and realize he does this leeching xp, terrible strat often and it is not "roaming" as stated. He sits in Lane and Leeches xp from mid/top. Don't get butthurt because he finally got what he deserved. 51% win rate in masters btw, far better than you could ever hope to achieve. But yeah, hes just trolling while you sitting there in gold losing games.
: POLL: Should QSS remove ultimates like Mordekaiser?
Ok, so the ability would be busted if you couldn't QSS it. If you don't understand this, you shouldn't be voting on polls like this. Other abilities though? No, absolutely not, I think Morde is the one where it definitely should to prevent something from being inbalanceable.
: > [{quoted}](name= Blåsigt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LOjLdb88,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-07T03:06:46.660+0000) > > True, her location is known, to a certain extent if she remains inside the shroud. That being said, if some one is going to expend an ability to counter her stealth ability, is it not a fair trade? You must not know how useless Akali's shroud was when pink wards, Lee E and TF ult among other things would show her. It was basically an ability only useful for the movement speed and slow above silver 3. It would be like Karma without Mantra or Zyra without plants being able to damage champions. You would have to buff the hell out of other aspects of the kit just to make them playable without it.
Would still rather have an ability be able to be counterplayed than hoping your team has massive AOEs to chunk her down in shroud. Shes been busted in every form shes been in and the common denominator is shroud and high damage.
: > [{quoted}](name=Celestial Lion12,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=GzJwvnWE,comment-id=0016,timestamp=2019-06-07T04:31:24.014+0000) > > You try making 150 unique and interesting characters If you dont like it do better isnt a valid response to criticism nice try though
No seriously, there are 150 champions now, lets see your concept for 150 new and unique champions?
: AATROX 9.12 ULT REWORK
His revive is not the issue, its the healing he gets from just using ult. Eventually they will realize they screwed up and revert it.
R4ndom F1nn (EUNE)
: A tip for starting junglers
I'm sorry, what is a tank? The only one I know is Sejuani and she's a jungler.
: You know whats so hard about climbing out of Silver?
: Champion that buffs minions?
Banner was removed and it had the same idea, buff a minion on a large CD. This will be OP.
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