: my name does not excuse rape jokes lol. what the hell is wrong with you? also i change my name like every month and i've been things such as "space cube" and still i get to hear them. they aren't always directed at me and they arent always threats. if someone says "get raped idiot" after two-shotting the person theyre talking to thats still fucked up.
Where did i say it excuses them? I said "avoid setting yourself up in the situation".
: "And funny how you bring up rape when your name is "wet n wild"," hows thats funny or even relevant lol
I shouldve said ironic not funny, but anyways do you not see what your name could mean?
: its a makeup brand
Do you not see the issue with your name and how it could be taken?
: like how hard do you have to miss the point lol? like i could have not even mentioned my chatban and people would still find a way to disagree with me that sexist jokes and rape jokes should be punished. i fully admit that i had the chatban coming, like i sincerely thing the other dude deserved it too but what im saying isnt that i disagree with my ban, i just think riot needs to do a better job protecting people from summoner names like "rap3myashehole" or whatever the fuck i had to report almost a year ago and watch riot do nothing about. can i ask if you disagree that those kind of things should be bannable? because im not seeing you comment at all on my actual issue, youre just trying really hard to make this about my ban when thats not even my issue and it shouldnt be yours either. ETA: also the rules states this: "Do not post or engage in discussions of religion, ethnicity/race, sexual orientation, gender, politics, or real-world social issues." my bringing up gender is relevant to my complaint but i find it VERY telling about your personal values that you ONLY are concerned about the religion part, "chainman3."
"like i could have not even mentioned my chatban and people would still find a way to disagree with me that sexist jokes and rape jokes should be punished." Show me one person who said they shouldnt be punished? Are you asking me names are bannable or sexist jokes? Names are already changed as you pointed out when they made you change your name. Just because someone got passed the first check like your original name did doesnt mean they'll always get by. I havent seen a single person say "sexist comments shouldnt be reportable" all ive seen people say is "i havent seen any". ETA: Is your complaint not a discussion? I mean the boards are a place of discussion after all. So when you say, "my bringing up gender is relevant to my complaint". Your "complaint" in general is open up the topic of it, which is what the boards are a discussion. That is why it breaks that rule. Btw i didnt downvote you.
: > [{quoted}](name=Chainman3,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=egLcPFh8,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-14T07:55:27.865+0000) > > You run and ill take your towers because i can push you off them with my higher dmg numbers. Try split pushing and i take towers faster because my mountain drakes. Try contesting baron or elder drake ill show you the difference between your out of combat movespeed and my in combat stats. yeah, but your jungler had to get them in the first place?
same as cloud drakes. So i dont get whats the logic here. Maybe theres a new mechanic that gives cloud drake at the start of the game im not aware of?
: > [{quoted}](name=Chainman3,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=egLcPFh8,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-14T07:55:27.865+0000) > > You run and ill take your towers because i can push you off them with my higher dmg numbers. Try split pushing and i take towers faster because my mountain drakes. Try contesting baron or elder drake ill show you the difference between your out of combat movespeed and my in combat stats. By the time you get there to defend the towers its already gone. No one said mountain drakes weren't awesome. All drakes are in fact awesome. Movespeed is amazing and out rotating your opponents can literally mean the difference between winning and losing. Also out of the two you mentioned (Fire and Earth) only one gives you in combat stats. Additionally both Air and Water matter HUGELY in team fights. You know why? You still get Movespeed bonus in combat, its just not tripled. Additionally if you disengage, or take a bad poke/trade and you haven't gone all in yet that ocean drake (depending on how bad you are hurt and how many you have) can heal you up to fighting fit.
I showed the gold income you get for both drakes.
ApexRiven (EUW)
: Also mages are more tankier then tanks Since {{item:3157}} Gives 45 amor and {{item:3102}} 60 mr which more then any mr item in game give While also have best 2 active in game and dont forget the stupid shield and endless mana of {{item:3003}}
I agree with you on all your points but like i said on here you have a bunch of mage players who hate being overrun by yasuo's and assassins.
: Simple fix(s) to make match making better in ranked.
1. So because i get camped and fall behind in gold while my teammates use that time to get ahead and build a lead and win the game that means i should get less LP and they should get more? Only because i was left to suffer so they could flourish and they get more LP for it too? 2. Point 3 overwrites point 2.
: > [{quoted}](name=Chainman3,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hzfYmxAG,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-10-14T11:46:38.275+0000) > > So mid didnt know ashe was 2/6? You had to point that out to him? And how exactly did mid harass you then? Did he say you got outjungled? That you're the reason they lost? What did he say to get you to say that? > > "trash jg, useless, learn to jg" > These comments did you not push them onto your other laners? Saying bot got 2v2d and top got 1v1d as well as "wishing you had a mid laner"? > > You were doing the same thing your mid was doing but you're looking at it as if you're defending yourself when in reality you're like "nah im not to blame because bot top and mid all lost on my team and thats not my fault thats theirs" I didn't push them to my other laners and yes the text feed was a constant "trash jg, useless, better jg," etc and it was literally non stop the entire game. So yes she got under my skin and I responded to "wish we had a jg" with a "wish we had a mid laner". I know I wasn't having a good game, but I wasn't being toxic when saying my other lanes lost. If I was trash talking bot there would be more than that. As it says in the chat logs I was saying why am I the ONLY ONE being flamed when no one was doing too great. It wasn't said in a toxic manner, I was just questioning why am I the only one being blamed.
Okay let me ask you a question. Think through this logically what you're actually saying here. "I was saying why am I the ONLY ONE being flamed when no one was doing too great" Are you not saying "we're all to blame"?
: > [{quoted}](name=VanCanBanMan,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EI3dJWlj,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-14T06:22:23.360+0000) > > Cuz AD assassins are pretty much locked one build path that being {{item:3147}} {{item:3142}} {{item:3071}} {{item:3814}} {{item:3036}}/{{item:3033}} and Duskblade is a MUST HAVE on almost any champ that builds lethality. i think there should be more lethality item diversity I think there should be less lethality. Bake it into kits if it's so important to a champion's success. As I've proven in the past day, it's snap-of-the-fingers easy to come up with assassin kits that rely on something other than armor penetration to do their damage, so why can't that be where the diversity lies? Obviously the answer is "Because Riot won't do that" but that's not the point here. I've never been a fan of Lethality. Any item build that directly negates what another player has built is... unfortunate. Grievous Wounds are the one thing I'm alright with on that front, because healing can absolutely make or break a game, and skilled players can still win fights without lifestealing or getting the heals they're used to. Lethality, on the other hand, takes the core items of an entire role (that of the tank, and partially of bruisers too) and just... negates them. Just flat out cancels them out. Basically, if I build Thornmail for 2900, usually scraping it together because tanks often support... an assassin gets to negate a full 26% of the benefit by just completely ignoring 21 armor, _while_ getting +55 AD, for the same amount of gold. Their 2900 not only gives them 2900 worth of AD, but negates 754 gold worth of my labor just by having the item.
So you're not a fan of sorc shoes and morellos magc pen also void staff right? I find it odd you didnt list these items {{item:3135}} {{item:3020}} {{item:3916}} So lets assume you have it your way and we remove the armor pen. So ADC buys {{item:3031}} {{item:3046}} {{item:3094}} Tank buys {{item:3143}} {{item:3075}} {{item:3110}} Oh but that nullifies the adc's build and you said you dont like that so lets remove tank items from the game... oh we only have dmg items left then.
: can't you just build armour though
that would require them to adapt their build to the early game champion. And we should do that but we dont want to so instead we cry to change it.
: What is going on?
I could give you advice to get into gold, but i cant give you advice to not quit since i quit myself after getting gold.
: Should riot remove auto-fill?
Riot should remove the entire "pick your role" system. Its caused so much grief for the playerbase and ruined so many games.
: > [{quoted}](name=Chainman3,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hzfYmxAG,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-14T11:37:08.075+0000) > > Teemos Tittiees: wish we had a mid > Teemos Tittiees: diana griefing me all game > Teemos Tittiees: report for toxic pls > Teemos Tittiees: u should learn the mid role > Teemos Tittiees: win rate says other wise > Teemos Tittiees: that mid of yours is disgusting > Teemos Tittiees: id try a new role tbh > > Teemos Tittiees: im the problem nbot the 2/6 ashe taht got solo laned > Teemos Tittiees: why flame me > Teemos Tittiees: bot literally got solo laned > Teemos Tittiees: and same with top > Teemos Tittiees: 1v1 and 2v2 > > Teemos Tittiees: Nice type feed all game > Teemos Tittiees: gj man > Teemos Tittiees: same for diana > Teemos Tittiees: too busy typing to see her lane > > Flame to mid > > Flame to rest of team > > Flame post game > > YOU harassed your entire team and now you're asking if it was fair? Yes your punishment is fair. I didn't, mid was harassing me and I was making a point not flaming my team. Which is why I asked "why flame me" and was saying our team wasn't doing too great either so how can I be the one to blame. The post game ya I said she was too busy typing because she would not stop typing trash talk to me the ENTIRE game, it was insanely frustrating trying to have a decent conversation when it's just trash jg, useless, learn to jg etc.
So mid didnt know ashe was 2/6? You had to point that out to him? And how exactly did mid harass you then? Did he say you got outjungled? That you're the reason they lost? What did he say to get you to say that? "trash jg, useless, learn to jg" These comments did you not push them onto your other laners? Saying bot got 2v2d and top got 1v1d as well as "wishing you had a mid laner"? You were doing the same thing your mid was doing but you're looking at it as if you're defending yourself when in reality you're like "nah im not to blame because bot top and mid all lost on my team and thats not my fault thats theirs"
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Chainman3,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=egLcPFh8,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-14T10:59:37.302+0000) > > Comparing 24% ad or ap to 6% in combat movespeed which comes up between 18-24 movespeed, shouldnt be debatable. You pay 300 gold for 25 movespeed. So even with out of combat movespeed you're getting roughly 900 gold worth of movespeed. Whereas infernal drake at 3 stacks is giving you upwards to 48 ad which is near 1500 gold worth of ad or for most ap champions 160+ ap which is about 2500 gold worth of ap. It doesnt compete with the combat drake in terms of raw gold of stats. Well when you are looking at it from a point of raw combat, of course infernal is better, but MS is universal and useful at all times rather then in combat. From getting to lane faster, setting up ganks faster, positioning faster, kiting and catching up. The advantage of just getting back to lane and objectives faster too. > And this is why riot will never listen to what people post on the boards because of false claims and aggressive statements, calling someone "wrong" without showing any proof or stats to back it up. Brah, it's a joke, calm down.
Wow funny joke. You had me laughing. Anyways, ill apply your idea to infernal. Getting to lane faster. With infernal ill get there later but when i get there ill zone you from cs because im stronger. Setting up ganks, with my added dmg a counter gank will allow me to 2v2 or in some cases 1v2 with the extra dmg and zoning my laner with my raw power before the gank to build my lead. Positioning and kiting or picking targets id give to cloud but then again can you pick a target who is stronger than you? You get to lane and objectives faster but infernal drake and mountain lets you make up for that time by taking objectives faster than you would with cloud. So positioning or set up is really the only benefit cloud has over infernal and setting up is objective since the team with infernal will probably have more control considering they're the aggressors and the cloud drake users would be the ones trying to avoid a clash with the infernal drake users.
: Permanent Ban - Think it's fair or not?
Teemos Tittiees: wish we had a mid Teemos Tittiees: diana griefing me all game Teemos Tittiees: report for toxic pls Teemos Tittiees: u should learn the mid role Teemos Tittiees: win rate says other wise Teemos Tittiees: that mid of yours is disgusting Teemos Tittiees: id try a new role tbh Teemos Tittiees: im the problem nbot the 2/6 ashe taht got solo laned Teemos Tittiees: why flame me Teemos Tittiees: bot literally got solo laned Teemos Tittiees: and same with top Teemos Tittiees: 1v1 and 2v2 Teemos Tittiees: Nice type feed all game Teemos Tittiees: gj man Teemos Tittiees: same for diana Teemos Tittiees: too busy typing to see her lane Flame to mid Flame to rest of team Flame post game YOU harassed your entire team and now you're asking if it was fair? Yes your punishment is fair.
: why do sexists not get punished?
Reporting this hopefully it gets taken down soon because you arent supposed to bring religion onto here.
ApexRiven (EUW)
: Mages player are the reason the dmg in game is so high rightnow. U can lose game if u are full ad comp but if u are full mages comp, its impossible to lose inleas they intentionaly feeding
Oh i know but why do you think assassins get so much hate on the boards. Because mage players want to win early, mid, and late game in mid lane. And if they dont win early they cry assassins are too strong. This is why im telling you not to argue against mages on the boards you'll just get a ton of downvotes.
: does that matter in this thread? another genuine question. what does it serve to state here?
Go change your name if you dont like naughty jokes cuz your name is one.
: right, but are you disagreeing that it should be punished? like, my chatban is not relevant to this discussion barring me stating it happened to highlight the fact that riot DOES clearly utilise their ban functions. i am not disputing my chatban in any way. i am disputing the fact that sexism goes by and large unpunished in this game. if you agree that it should be punished then i'm not sure why you want to argue.
No, what you did is put your chat ban as "something trivial" than turn around and say they should ban the other things which they already do if the player is constantly reported for it, but again it happens to you every game from a different player maybe but reporting each of them once isnt going to get them all punished. And your name speaks for itself as bait. If you dont want people making naughty jokes towards you, dont use this kind of name. Sure wet can mean nami if you main her but theres no reason for the wild part and even if there is if the jokes bother you this much then you would avoid setting yourself up for the situation.
: why do sexists not get punished?
"the mud or no fun but it's not funny to see a rape joke in someone's summoner name. it can ruin someone's game." Maybe its in your head. i have names off on my game so it doesnt bother me at all. " i just got chatbanned for the first time ever in my 6-7 years playing this game because some christian guy was telling me to find a relationship with god and i told him to shut up." Dont bring religion onto the boards, and dont be assuming things of others. And this is the entire reason you made the post. If you really think your punishment was unfair post the chat logs of that punishment im sure you said more than "shutup". What trivial things are you referring to? We havent seen your chat logs at all, you couldve been swearing and spamming chat the entire game and we wouldnt know how "trivial" what you did is. And funny how you bring up rape when your name is "wet n wild", where i can say alright you're probably a nami player and look past it, some people wont and im sure if they did it constantly they would get punished, but they dont land in queue with you every game to know.
ApexRiven (EUW)
: I have new role, If enemy team has more then 2 mages im dodging bc its unwinnable game...
Ohhh you messed with the mage players on here, now you're going to get downvoted.
Fyrijou (EUW)
: Why does it take 4 votes for it to accept a surrender?
They should make an option to mute surrender votes.
Myrmiron (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=egLcPFh8,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-14T07:30:22.212+0000) > > RIGHT? like shit, give me NOTHING but clouds, MS is the best stat in the game, fucking fite me if you disagree. Yes! Movespeed runes were the shit! Also Water Drakes are fucking broken during laneing phase.
Thing is he says fight him but hes not planning on using statistics to fight you hes planning on just flat out saying you're wrong with no proof or evidence.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Chainman3,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=egLcPFh8,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-14T07:55:27.865+0000) > > You run and ill take your towers because i can push you off them with my higher dmg numbers. Try split pushing and i take towers faster because my mountain drakes. Try contesting baron or elder drake ill show you the difference between your out of combat movespeed and my in combat stats. You are entitled to your wrong opinion, also cloud gives ms in and out of combat now.
Comparing 24% ad or ap to 6% in combat movespeed which comes up between 18-24 movespeed, shouldnt be debatable. You pay 300 gold for 25 movespeed. So even with out of combat movespeed you're getting roughly 900 gold worth of movespeed. Whereas infernal drake at 3 stacks is giving you upwards to 48 ad which is near 1500 gold worth of ad or for most ap champions 160+ ap which is about 2500 gold worth of ap. It doesnt compete with the combat drake in terms of raw gold of stats. And this is why riot will never listen to what people post on the boards because of false claims and aggressive statements, calling someone "wrong" without showing any proof or stats to back it up.
: I shouldn't have to win games vs smurfs to rank up. Nor should I lose lp if i lose. It doesn't make any sense. Even flex will give you reduced lp losses if the enemy team is severely overranked compared to your team.
Idk who was crazy enough to upvote this but like 5-10% of your games are with a smurf in them if even that much. If you're not climbing its defintely not because of smurfs.
Jamaree (NA)
: RIGHT? like shit, give me NOTHING but clouds, MS is the best stat in the game, fucking fite me if you disagree.
You run and ill take your towers because i can push you off them with my higher dmg numbers. Try split pushing and i take towers faster because my mountain drakes. Try contesting baron or elder drake ill show you the difference between your out of combat movespeed and my in combat stats.
UniSect (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Chainman3,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=OkZQK7Ft,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-13T02:50:45.102+0000) > > Do you guys understand when you ask for things like this you're basically saying "id rather have you working on letting me mute a troll rather than working on getting rid of the troll problem entirely". You'll never be able to get rid of trollers. They come back with their account, new account or just the good player decides to troll that one game. Its a cycle.
The thing you're cutting out is players tend to care more about their accounts than they let on, even the flamers/trollers. Leveling an account to level 30 is a pain and removes them from ranked and other perks. And if they choose to troll beginner games they'll get removed there to when they get reported if the system is more strict.
: > [{quoted}](name=Chainman3,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=OkZQK7Ft,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-13T02:50:45.102+0000) > > Do you guys understand when you ask for things like this you're basically saying "id rather have you working on letting me mute a troll rather than working on getting rid of the troll problem entirely". TIL spamming laugh is trolling and banworthy. Thank you for your insight.
Im going by the situation the OP is suggesting not in general.
UniSect (NA)
: I wish muting someone makes you not see their interactions.
Do you guys understand when you ask for things like this you're basically saying "id rather have you working on letting me mute a troll rather than working on getting rid of the troll problem entirely".
Cdore (NA)
: What I don't understand about conqueror...
Most of the content here is false information.
Julevi (EUW)
: Deserved ban.
Lost R (NA)
: ***
Its against the board rules to bring up faith and religion into this especially in a negative form.
: > [{quoted}](name=Chainman3,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AEUfqpMz,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-09T05:16:53.741+0000) > > No one's playing a game for "odds" im not playing a video game on probability or chance that i dont or the enemy team doesnt get one of these people. Las Vegas (and the millions of people who enjoy video poker and other games) would beg to differ. And, by playing, that's exactly what you're doing. Playing League is never a sure-win, whether due to skill level, AFKS, feeders, trollers, 'net connection quality, etc. Even single player games aren't a sure thing. I can lose playing Rock Band 3. YMMV
"No one's playing a game for "odds"" true your statement holds up of poker, problem is you looked at it outside of context. "im not playing a video game on probability or chance" This is what makes your statement false. Not going to answer the 2nd part of your post since i never said once "i should always win". Thats just a misunderstanding on your part and thats okay.
: There is the same chance that the enemy could have those leavers/feeders. So if you aren't leaving/feeding, that's one less leaver/feeder on your team. The odds are in your favor, over the long haul. Do your best, and try to win no matter the situation.
No one's playing a game for "odds" im not playing a video game on probability or chance that i dont or the enemy team doesnt get one of these people.
: ***
"This is for all those overconfident players who refuse to ban a champion, because they are "brave and manly and can take a challenge", but their team ends up paying the price for their poor decision." Explain what each part of this sentence means which was posted by the OP. His first sentence too. Make sure you really explain every part. Let me put emphasis on: "but their team ends up paying the price for their poor decision." Please explain to me since i may be too thick headed and obviously as you said no one "No one is blaming anyone for losing" As for the rest of your post, I have never said once "its better not to ban", what i did say was, give me a direct advantage im giving to the enemy team or a disadvantage im giving to our team. These would have to be in terms of gold, drakes, items, towers, etc. I know you can have a stronger game by banning, my point is, I'm not putting my teammate behind by not banning, so saying its my fault/team ends up paying the price for my poor decision is a false accusation.
Ifneth (NA)
: It seems the question has gotten lost: are you arguing that it’s better *not* to ban any champion?
It does. And the main point of the thread was you shouldnt do it because if one of your lane loses ITS YOUR FAULT. " but their team ends up paying the price for their poor decision." As OP suggested the team pays the price for your poor decision with a negative outcome. When in reality that poor decision had little to do with the outcome and the reason for the outcome was due to poor play/ poor picking by the person who is asking for more bans.
Salron88 (EUW)
: now you are simply rotating around the subject but not at the centre to proove you are right by implementing all sorts of fiction. for whatever you say from now on my answer is simple. all what you mentioned above are separate scenarios of the bigger picture i said in my previous probability example. why have a chance to a normal lane when you can have an excellent one by maximising your probability. every champ u mentioned above has counters whenever lane or late but i wont go with you on that one. totally separate subject. ill just go with the way game is made every champ has counters. again. their laner is doing it for their team or himself and maximising best chance probability. you are not for yours or yourself. from now on for every thing u might come up with ill just go with read my probability example again. math never lies.
Okay for one second stop trying to argue and read what im saying. Just take this in, the point I AM NOT making: 1. It is better not to ban than to ban. 2. This has nothing to do with matchups. Do matchups decide if you do well 1v1 they can play an impact we agree, but again theres things YOU can do to avoid those situations and if YOU choose not to do them and you get countered then its YOUR fault. the point I AM making: 1. You get 1 ban, i get 1 ban. The same way i cant tell you what champ to choose you cant FORCE me to ban what you want. 2. Can the ban help you? yes, we agree on this, but im not arguing whether i can help the player asking for a specific ban for not. 3. The argument I'm making here is that if there was a negative outcome from your lane, you cant blame someone else. Its your lane, unless outside factors came into play (like ganks) you losing 1v1 is YOUR fault. Could i have helped you, yes defintely but that doesnt mean if i dont choose to help you that i made you lose. Thats like saying if the jungler says "im not ganking your lane" now its his fault you lose even if you lost 1v1 to your laner with no outside help. Sum it up: We're not arguing if the player can or cant help, we're arguing whether or not its the player's fault for choosing not to help. YOUR play decides how you do in YOUR lane (again with a few exceptions but this not being one). Hopefully this clears up my point.
Ifneth (NA)
: It seems the question has gotten lost: are you arguing that it’s better *not* to ban any champion?
I labeled the 3 bullet points he just takes it off course for idk what reason. 1. Im not obligated to ban what you want 2. If theres a negative result from your lane, you chose your champ, you queued knowing you'd only get 1 ban, you're too blame under normal circumstances (no crazy amount of jungle pressure or ganks). 3. If you do want to blame someone else all you're doing is succumbing to your desire to make yourself feel better and think you didnt perform as well as your direct lane opponent
Sillae (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Romans VI XXIII,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AqkrsKgZ,comment-id=0001000100010000,timestamp=2019-10-07T19:10:53.227+0000) > > First off counter play is what opponents can do VS a champion NOT vs the player controlling the champion. > > Tryn counter play is to bait ult and disengage, then force fights while it's off CD. And keep him from stacking Fury. Clear and obvious counter play. > > The Above post stated that Ryze "counter play" is IF he is poking you under tower AND you have kill potential OR junger is ganking. > > That's not counter play, that's Ryze miss playing, that's the PLAYER making a mistake, not counter play vs the champion ryze. > > You can insert any champion into what he said and it is true, so it's not explicit to ryze and not counter play to the champion ryze. > > The counter play to ryze as a melee is dont feed him, hide under tower, hope your jungler helps your ass out and the rest of the team Carrie's hard. AKA Interactive Game Play. You are contradicting yourself blatantly yet fail to notice. To "bait" anything is to rely on the opponent to misplay. And since Tryndamere ONLY uses his ult as a way to stop himself from dying rather than to deal damage or farm you can't just wait for him to use it while laning. He has a dash that he can use to initiate or disengage at his leisure, and how pray tell can you keep him from stacking fury when he can just crit you to death via RNG when the game has started? Here's Ryze's counterplay: Is he pushed in? Yes he is because his kit forces him to or else he doesn't get farm. All in him. Use your jungler if you have to but you shouldn't need it. Don't let the fight go on too long as he's likely to win extended engages. Dodge his Q at all costs if he empowers it. Use your CC, anything stronger than a root (silence, stun, displacement, etc. that every toplaner that isn't Illaoi has) if he tries to ult away as it will disrupt it. Watch his mana while he's farming too. Before he builds Archangel's he should be eating it pretty quickly. Tryndamere Counterplay: Wow, you almost killed him, now just cc so he can't - oh wait his ult works under CC. And he just dashed on top of you. And autoattacked twice per second with crits. Oh nice, you got awa- oh wait he flashed and dashed again. And you're dead. Well, now you're under tower so you're surely- oh he's all inning. That's ok he's tanking turret shots just knock him back and - oh he dashed on you.. and ulted.. And you're dead and his ult is still up cause it's 5 seconds long. Ryze is squishy anyway, and it's not like he's got 3 little helpers poking you to death before you can reach them a la Heimer. I noticed in your other posts "if you don't have a dash don't lane against him" when Trynd does have a dash but w/e.
I posted the definition of counterplay to him and he refused to acknowledge it dont waste anymore time on trying to talk sense into some people. All he starts doing is hurling insults.
Salron88 (EUW)
: dude again. understand basic math and probability please. 5 champs who i destroy vs 4 who do better into me. what is more likely to get picked out of the 2. theres a box with balls white balls are champs i beat. black balls are champs that beat me. you take out a black ball with ban. more chance of me taking a white ball and be victorious. theres many picks but that is how you help. you reduce the probability that i will get a counter (black ball). now bc its a counter i do worse in lane then i would be doing vs a champ i beat. enemy team is doing it for theirs. you are not doing it for yours. you dont know whats gonna get picked in enemy side but you think the worse case scenarios for your team and you try to eliminate one(the worse one possible you can think off) to increase the possibilty of better scenarios
Or how about this. Ahri mid ori mid leblanc mid jayce top/mid draven adc caitlyn adc nami support janna support lulu support these are all laners which even when countered it is not a lost lane (if you wanted to assume the others were a lost lane). Btw you ignored my 3 bullet points entirely.
Salron88 (EUW)
: again re -read the last pharagraph in what i said. the 2d scenario is clear on what you just said above. read it again carefuly please. also every champ has a list of champs he does well into. theres lets say 5 i beat easily and 5 that got upper advantage. you banning one that has the upper advtange now means they remain in a 5-4 ratio. means more chance of one of the 5 champs i easily beat to be picked and not otherwise.
My main point is that you as an individual player are responsible to fill your role with 1 ban just like everyone else in the game. If the player cant do that then the enemy player is probably just better than them. You must set up your champion pool to counter these situations. When you put yourself in a scenario to be countered by 5 champions or 4 champions it doesnt really matter because the enemy now only has to play 1 out of those 4 or 5 champions. So no its not on the player who didnt ban nor does it give a player who's feeding their ass off a green light to blame the player that didnt ban. 1. Im not obligated to ban what you want 2. If theres a negative result from your lane, you chose your champ, you queued knowing you'd only get 1 ban, you're too blame under normal circumstances (no crazy amount of jungle pressure or ganks). 3. If you do want to blame someone else all you're doing is succumbing to your desire to make yourself feel better and think you didnt perform as well as your direct lane opponent. If i constantly get ganked but never gets ganks, is it my fault i lost lane or is it because i didnt ward, constantly shoved, and opened myself up to ganks that i got ganked. And this is referring to direct impacts on the lane instead of some potential pick that may/may not even happen because the player doesnt want to pick a safe laner when picking early.
Salron88 (EUW)
: then you do not read. not banning a champion which threatens your team composition or an important member of the team maybe you included if you want to use it for your own lane, leads to a series during the game where you are more likely to loose fight maybe idividualy or teamfights based on the champion at hand. banning is a powerful tool to be taken full advantage off and not doing it means lowering the chance of you team winning. it maximises the chance that you, your team mates, or your team composition will not get countered if used correctly. EXAMPLE: if you are confident in your ability to do well but your adc is an ashe then what you do is you can potentially ban a mordekaiser or a jax who threaten her, or maybe a blitzcrank since she has no escapes if hooked. it means you give her an easier laning phase or late game teamfight scenario based on kits. increases the chances of her being a potential carry instead of a potential feeder or the first to fall in a teamfight. the idea is at any point use it for something to give someone may it be you or a team mate the advatage of a particula champ not being picked which if it does would threaten someone on your team due to being a good counter. EDIT: another scenario. you might pick a champion to whose irelia is a big problem to. but you are confident you can trade with her,but a team mate of yours cant. if you banned irelia you would be into an even better matchup for you even though you do fairly well against your counter + you would help out all other team mates who would strugle vs her and her ult. you see now how me who bans a champion for myself can in the same time help my team alot. even more if the champion picked is a meta champ. you are not totally to blame for loosing but becouse you decided not to ban anything then maybe the champion that someone else being in your place would ban would mean that their team had the upper hand in the game to start.
You completely took this in a different direction. We're not referring to banning. We're referring to banning for a teammate if i choose not to use the ban. I said what benefits would the team get from this and you responded with benefits from picking not from banning. You cant ban out every thing that counters your teammates/team comp lets make that clear. There will always be something out there that isnt banned to counter it, but even that is besides the point. Since what you're referring to is advantages of picking 2nd not of banning. And in no way, shape, or form if i dont ban a champion my teammate asked me to ban am i helping the enemy team. I didnt make the enemy team pick liss if my team picked zed. I couldve banned liss and they could pick diana or vlad. All in which case still counter zed. Which means then my ban meant nothing. Let me ask you when you queue up as a solo player do you expect to have 1 ban or 2? Do you set up your champion pool to handle situations where you can be counter picked (where your first pick)? I find it amazing how we can blame our teammates for our own faults. Then can i also say the reason im hardstuck is because my team? Because thats normally met with nah your teammates change your hardstuck because yourself. You control your player no one else can make you feed or do bad but your own mistakes. You control your pick theres champions who are safe picks if you're scared to get countered. Blaming your teammates for any reason is the sign of weak minded players who refuse to see their own shortcomings.
: > [{quoted}](name=Chainman3,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ApE9LE2Z,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-07T22:34:53.010+0000) > > Which is okay. You dont have to play ranked, but you also cant complain when people think you're at the skill level of the rank you're at, but you dont also get to hold merits of saying you're a higher level player without actually going through the grind like everyone else did who did reach higher ranks. I'm fine with that, I don't care if I'm not diamond, I aim to be the greatest Anivia main possible, which means I don't need rank for that. What upsets me is that because of it, I'm appearently bad at the game, or get bm'd because I don't know as much about things in the game, or I don't play busted champs like sylas, or anyth8ng else that makes me "bad" appearently....
The problem is you're too focused on what others think about you. Now if you care what others think, you cant push your own ideals on them. If i told you i was the best mid lane player in the world, but im sitting in gold 4, would you believe me? How much merit would my statements hold? If ive never competed against the best how can i say i am the best?
: Is that a joke or are you serious? lol
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Salron88 (EUW)
: no what the post is saying is if you are super confident in your skills then use such a powerful tool as a ban to increase the teams win possibility. its not an i lost game but you are totally to blame. its an before the game begun we had some guns and did not use them to try and build an advtantage of our team composition.
"but their team ends up paying the price for their poor decision." "but you are totally to blame" "powerful tool" What advantage did it bring? Ive been asking for people to list a single advantage. Does it give more gold? A free kill? Better stats? Im only asking for 1 advantage it gives the enemy team over the player asking for the ban. Surely if it brings the disadvantage you claim you can answer that.
: > [{quoted}](name=Chainman3,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iB36GMvR,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-10-06T20:17:45.636+0000) > > Describe what’s the “disadvantage” that comes from not banning a champion? Please be clear what the enemy team has an “advantage” with because that’s what would be a disadvantage. They don’t start with more items, more gold, a free tower, or anything like that. So I fail to see where’s the disadvantage coming from Riven.
: You've shown you don't listen to logic. Logic, and statistics, show your odds of winning increase if you ban a strong champion - or if you ban for an ally. However, you ignore all logic because you think you can outlane anyone. Even if that's true, your odds increase if you help your teammates. This logical reasoning is very easy to understand, but somehow still going over your head.
Can you show me the stat on that? Im curious to see that stat. When did i say not to ban for a teammate? I said you dont HAVE TO ban for a teammate. Much like giving charity is good and benefits the world. Now im knocking on your door and saying "give charity or else you're not logical and somehow its going over your head that you dont see why you should give to charity." The only difference is, I can point out how charity helps directly, whereas no one on here pointed out a single benefit from a player banning what another player asks. Heck a better argument wouldve been at least stroke your teammate's ego.
: Case. In. Point.
Reporting this comment due to it doesnt provide any information and is more of an attack on the person you're replying to.
: it's never that simple as playstyles do not agree with people. Even the most drastic cases other than release Kassadin and Xin Zhao have never seen pick rates higher than 40% (which is still completely ridiculous) that's literally where the term "pick or ban" comes from, where something is so powerful that you either have to pick it or ban it to keep it from being used against you
You forgot about Zac in this list when he was sitting at around 105% game presence. And again that still doesnt defend the point of why me not banning a champ for another player is a disadvantage. Because regardless of playstyles, we're all allowed to play 1 out of the 141 champs as long as theyre not banned. So if hes not 1 of the possible 10 champs then hes open for everyone to play. Now if the PLAYER doesnt want to or cant play the champ thats not the fault of the person who doesnt want to ban its the fault of the PLAYER who isnt skilled enough/doesnt want to play that champ or play against that champ.
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