: Doing the exact same thing as other players
Context is irrelevant. What they did is irrelevant to what you did, just like what you did is irrelevant to what they did. Both you and Veigar were toxic. Why should either of you get off free for that?
: Riot should offer players: The Ban Buffer
You have numerous buffers. It's called the other 3 fucking steps in the punishment ladder.
XDeFuLTXD (EUW)
: fix the report system
We've seen the actual code fam. Multiple reports in a game mean absolutely no more than a single report.
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=77y0NezE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-21T14:28:48.256+0000) > > [She is doing pretty well right now.](https://u.gg/lol/champions/kayle/build) > > It's one of the (many) reasons that ADC tops are universally garbage. Except when you start looking at this meta and Trist top. Her lane phase is uber safe, she crushes any melee matchup that lacks a gapcloser (or even has one), and she abuses Demolish with her E. Its not batshit riven tier broken, but fighting it is like fighting Heim: You dont exist. Ruining that frontline's lane phase makes them susceptible to being murdered faster. That was the very reason why Klepto Top Vik was god tier towards the end of last year, paired with his buffs.
And Trist top has a 47.7% winrate and less than a 1% pickrate. Which is absolute garbage no matter how you look at it.
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yMxAIE72,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-21T14:59:48.274+0000) > > Yeah...I'm going to need to see your math on that. Knock yourself out Caitlyn > Dark Harvest > {{item:3508}} {{item:3006}} {{item:3031}} {{item:3072}} any two {{item:3086}} items. Even with 10-15 DH stacks you'll get 1500 headshots easy on non-armored targets. I'll make a video when I get home, it's really not that difficult.
My bad. I should have clarified. I need your math on the average ADC critting for 800-1000 damage. I fully believe the Cait one because I've done it myself.
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yMxAIE72,comment-id=00000000000000000001000000010000,timestamp=2019-10-21T14:21:30.501+0000) > > In what universe is an auto that's not a Cait headshot or from Jhin 600 damage? Many late game ADCs routinely get 800-1000 crits. Not sure abotu Jhin but a Cait headshot can be upwards of 1500 on a non-armored target.
Yeah...I'm going to need to see your math on that.
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=I39sjbLA,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2019-10-21T14:45:05.622+0000) > > I will correct myself, though, with this new information. You had precisely one damage synergy - t1 Imperial. If they had a shitton of Zephyrs, though, you were fucked, because the buff would either be useless on Darius or it'd be on the knocked-up Draven. > > Dude. All you had to do was swap Darius for Mordekaiser and pick up a Kindred instead of Draven. That'd give you phantoms (which, as you hopefully know, basically instakills an enemy) and rangers (AS buff for Vayne). You could also have used an Ashe instead of a Draven, which would have given you rangers and t1 Glacials, *and* would have given you another damage-oriented unit. You could then have used Poppy instead of Darius/Mordekaiser, and Poppy's a much better unit than either of those two. > > Also, swordbreaker is something you should have put on Lucian, not Kayle, and the Knight's Vow should have gone on Fiora, not Lucian, because Fiora's a frontliner and needs the defense more. And 3 zephyrs isn't going to do you much good, you just have too many at that point. You could have made a Warmog's and a Dragon's Claw instead, and that's arguably much better. two of them were literally premade item drops, lol.
Ah. Oh well. You could have used the third one to make a second swordbreaker, though, which is something that stacks **much** better. Still, the rest of that stands. Your comp was shit and you had one damage synergy that had a 50% chance of being on a tank and a 50% chance of being on someone who was in the air. Swapping Darius and Draven for Mordekaiser and Kindred or for Ashe and Poppy would have probably saved your comp. Glacial or phantom could have hard fucked their Jinx, and actually having real damage would have meant a ton.
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=slo9v4cR,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-10-21T14:24:15.712+0000) > > You're stuck in "elo hell" because you're blaming your teammates instead of actually improving. > > Elo hell is a myth. It doesn't exist. You're just at your skillcap and you're blaming your team instead of trying to actually improve. So we're all going to pretend like it doesn't matter if you have 4 inting teammates that dont ward or do objectves, if you're good? You can still climb ez with an entire team thats inting and an afk? That's what we're all saying?
Yes. Exactly. That matters for a **game**. Since that does not happen in every single game (if it does for you, I'd really suggest you go play singleplayer games and never touch a slot machine, because you have the absolute worst luck in the world. I'd honestly suggest just going in a padded cell because you're fucked every other way), you will still *climb* if you deserve it. You can't win every game. Some **games** are out of your control and are (basically) impossible to win. However, whether or not you **climb** is completely based on your skill.
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=I39sjbLA,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-10-21T14:17:47.402+0000) > > You had literally no damage synergies in that. > > Full knights/nobles is a lot of durability, but it's also basically no damage. Unless you 3* Vayne and stack a Rageblade, GA, and Bloodthirster on her, you have no way to actually win fights. The most you'll be able to do is force draws. > > They had Wilds and Gunslingers - offensive synergies - And bruisers - a defensive synergy. You had nothing but defense. > > If you brought 5 tanks into SR, you'd most likely lose because you have no actual damage. Same concept applies here. You needed to work in at least a ranger or gunslinger buff. 3* Garen- Zephyr 2* Darius- Zephyr 2* Sejuani- Zephyr 2* Kayle- Spear of Shojin+Disarm 2* Lucian-Knight spautla 2* Vayne-Nothing 2* Leona-Knight Spatula 2* Fiora-Nothing 2* Draven-GA.(Tried to get Draven to carry my dps, abundance of Zephyrs made that difficult) i could have Blademastered kayle, Vayne, or Lucian and went 4/6 Knight 3/9 Blade master 6/6 Noble, 2/4 Imperial. But it just didnt seem like the right choice since i wasnt getting any items for my Draven and it was at a point in the game where items werent going to be in my future.
>You had literally no damage ***synergies*** in that. I will correct myself, though, with this new information. You had precisely one damage synergy - t1 Imperial. If they had a shitton of Zephyrs, though, you were fucked, because the buff would either be useless on Darius or it'd be on the knocked-up Draven. Dude. All you had to do was swap Darius for Mordekaiser and pick up a Kindred instead of Draven. That'd give you phantoms (which, as you hopefully know, basically instakills an enemy) and rangers (AS buff for Vayne). You could also have used an Ashe instead of a Draven, which would have given you rangers and t1 Glacials, *and* would have given you another damage-oriented unit. You could then have used Poppy instead of Darius/Mordekaiser, and Poppy's a much better unit than either of those two. Also, swordbreaker is something you should have put on Lucian, not Kayle, and the Knight's Vow should have gone on Fiora, not Lucian, because Fiora's a frontliner and needs the defense more. And 3 zephyrs isn't going to do you much good, you just have too many at that point. You could have made a Warmog's and a Dragon's Claw instead, and that's arguably much better.
: Yeah Kayle is very strong. That being said, I don't think I've seen a single one this patch. Probably because I've been banning her almost every game. My cousin has been spamming her with pretty good success though, he made it up to Diamond 1 for the first time.
Charmy Bird (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yMxAIE72,comment-id=00000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-21T14:20:54.301+0000) > > She has a single dash on her ult, and it **only goes to the fucking enemy champion**. > > Her dash is the literal opposite of safety. Ahse players use her w to kite too. But still even if they don't it doesn't 3xcuse her having slow in ever aa. Again others non mobile champions have almost 0 self peel. Ashe is at 55% she needs it removed or serious nerfs. It's compelitely unfair to have slow to every aa.
You know why it can be used to kite? **Because it applies her fucking passive**. And you'll notice that every immobile champion has some way to actually keep their ass alive. Ashe would cease to function without her slow because literally anyone could run her down. EDIT: You also replied to the wrong damn comment.
Magikrap (NA)
: Kayle feels pretty absurd right now, I've been spamming her and I can't find a weakness.
[She is doing pretty well right now.](https://u.gg/lol/champions/kayle/build) I believe that last bit is the primary weakness, though. You have no frontline from the lane that is generally supposed to be frontline, which, of course, means you tend to have no frontline at all. It's one of the (many) reasons that ADC tops are universally garbage.
: High rank players talk about how "easy" it is to climb, and aren't stuck with inting teammates. I feel like everyone single person should be forced to place in silver or lower.
Their smurfs go through low elo with a massive winrate. Remember the 4:5 rule. If there's always an inter in your game, and it's never you, then you should have a 55% winrate, since the enemy team has 5 chances for it and your team only has 4.
: I feel like everyone should start at the bottom. People are that are stuck in elo hell are in purgatory because of other bad players.
You're stuck in "elo hell" because you're blaming your teammates instead of actually improving. Elo hell is a myth. It doesn't exist. You're just at your skillcap and you're blaming your team instead of trying to actually improve.
: Just wondering if it's a fair playing field for all players ( especially players stuck in elo hell due to other people sabotaging their games over and over again ) when new seasons are launched.
Elo hell isn't a real thing. It's you hitting your skillcap. Literally any high elo smurf that isn't actually trolling will get through gold in less than a week.
: > [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yMxAIE72,comment-id=000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-10-21T10:57:06.605+0000) > Stun arrow ultimate with a very generous hitbox and very generous base damage. And what? It does 300 damage at max ranks and it scales off of ABILITY POWER. By lvl 16, that's less than half of an auto, not even counting a trinity force proc.
In what universe is an auto that's not a Cait headshot or from Jhin 600 damage?
: > [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yMxAIE72,comment-id=000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-10-21T10:57:06.605+0000) > > I fail to see where Kai'Sa is safer, especially in lane. > Then you don't understand either champion. Having a dash alone makes her safer, much less invisibility.
She has a single dash on her ult, and it **only goes to the fucking enemy champion**. Her dash is the literal opposite of safety.
Charmy Bird (EUNE)
: She's at 55 and I still don't know why she has slow In her aa. She already has ways to protect herself like her w and her ult but no riot has to literally give slow at every aa. Remove that and ashe will be balanced again. Legit is there any reason why she has such a privilege? Oh but she's immobile yea so what? I just said she has ways to protect herself, varus and kog maw are also immobile but they don't get such a boost. Remove slow in her aa asap
Her W isn't protection tho? Is Swain's Q now protection? Ahri's W? How about Camille's Q? It's fucking poke and waveclear.
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=I39sjbLA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-21T13:48:48.862+0000) > > How good for you! You finally admitted you have absolutely no idea how TFT works! hmm might have to clarify.
You're saying it's only item RNG. This means you have no idea how TFT works, because it's far from just item RNG. There's so much more that matters than just what items you get. As an example in this post - What synergies you go for matters a lot.
: Well heres an example, i have a 6/6 Knights, 6/6 Noble comp.(all 2star) (3star Garen) But no relevant items to support it besides Knight Spatulas. guy has a 2star Jinx with 2 Giant Slayers and a RFC. 2/4 Gunslinger. 4/6 Bruiser. 4/4 Wild i get steamrolled. By one unit. That my comp is supposed to counter. Because of item RNG.
You had literally no damage synergies in that. Full knights/nobles is a lot of durability, but it's also basically no damage. Unless you 3* Vayne and stack a Rageblade, GA, and Bloodthirster on her, you have no way to actually win fights. The most you'll be able to do is force draws. They had Wilds and Gunslingers - offensive synergies - And bruisers - a defensive synergy. You had nothing but defense. If you brought 5 tanks into SR, you'd most likely lose because you have no actual damage. Same concept applies here. You needed to work in at least a ranger or gunslinger buff.
: in my opinion...
How good for you! You finally admitted you have absolutely no idea how TFT works!
iLLp (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ffqBmmqc,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-21T13:17:10.033+0000) > > Simple: it's try-harding if they win and he's not having fun, and it's soft inting if they lose and he doesn't have fun. All you do is passive aggressively attack people on this section of the boards. Grow a pair
> [{quoted}](name=iLLp,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ffqBmmqc,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-21T13:22:24.798+0000) > > All you do is passive aggressively attack people on this section of the boards. Grow a pair Wow. For someone who claims to be so well-versed in what I do you'd figure they'd know what I actually do. Last I checked, "new" wasn't a section.
GilxeN (EUW)
: So winning is equal to try harding? Define "try hard" because I am missing something here.
> [{quoted}](name=GilxeN,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ffqBmmqc,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-21T13:14:34.650+0000) > > So winning is equal to try harding? > > Define "try hard" because I am missing something here. Simple: it's try-harding if they win and he's not having fun, and it's soft inting if they lose and he doesn't have fun.
Heroboy10 (EUNE)
: DuskDaUmbreon, man everybody build according to what RNG system gave them. But you don't want to recognize this. Don't tell me you'll sell a nice synergy with 2 stars units to build something else to combat your opponents. "Another strategy that you ignored is buying up what your opponents need." This will reduce their chance with 2% for level 1 units. Wow!!! The big strategy. No, you buy these units because you don't know what do to when you are waiting. BTW I usually change more than 50% of my synergies at level 6-7. So what you will do then ? For sample I build knights and at level 7 I decide to add imperials or gunslingers or sorcerers and dragons. You will try to combat my knights or my damage dealers ? Because if it's the second one then it's too late for you.
Protip: Actually replying to me means I don't have to rely on someone in Discord stumbling upon your comment for me to reply to you. I'm not OP, so starting a new thread means I get no notification. >DuskDaUmbreon, man everybody build according to what RNG system gave them. But you don't want to recognize this. Fam, you do realize that you get champions for more than one build in a game, right? You have options and your luck can be manipulated to a degree. >Don't tell me you'll sell a nice synergy with 2 stars units to build something else to combat your opponents. I think you massively misunderstood. I'm not encouraging building a synergy to counter theirs. In that actual situation, assuming I'm actually ahead of them, no, I wouldn't sell it. I'm winning that arms race, so why would I go do something else? That advice is for when you're equal in footing and you don't want to gamble on the arms race. >"Another strategy that you ignored is buying up what your opponents need." This will reduce their chance with 2% for level 1 units. Wow!!! The big strategy. It's almost like there's more units than rank 1 units. Like, you know, ***the entire fucking rank 5 roster, of which there are only 10 of each champion in a game and your max chance to get any of them is 10%***. >No, you buy these units because you don't know what do to when you are waiting. Or....Because it's an actual strategy? Yes, in the minion rounds, you want to buy up every champion you can if you can, since that leaves you more options and more chances for a 3*, but there's far more to it than "you don't now what to do" >BTW I usually change more than 50% of my synergies at level 6-7. So what you will do then ? Laugh because you probably fucked yourself over? You're changing to do....what? Massively fail in the arms race against me? Counter me but do nothing because you're 40 gold worth of units behind? That late in the game is way too late to massively shift your comp. The latest you can reasonably do that is level 4, and even then that's only if you are getting *none* of what you started with. >For sample I build knights and at level 7 I decide to add imperials or gunslingers or sorcerers and dragons. You will try to combat my knights or my damage dealers ? Because if it's the second one then it's too late for you. Okay. Besides you seeming to have completely and utterly missed what I actually said (which boils down to "Build what your opponents AREN'T building and only counter the majority of them if you have multiple, equally appealing options"), this makes absolutely no sense. How tf is it "too late" to counter the damage dealers you only **started** building? You have a couple 1\*s and maybe a 2\*, while I have something I've been working on for the past 3-4 stages.
: Bots
Bots have always been banned in waves. Unfortunately it's actually impossible to stop them from creating bots, so Riot just does the next best thing - Make them near pointless. Even if the bot reaches level 30 and gets sold, it's still going to be banned later.
: Ranked system by role
So...How do you propose to not have your team matter in a team game?
Heroboy10 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=v2ZA5Ac2,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-21T04:15:35.258+0000) > > So....how is it more RNG because you didn't pay attention to what other people were building? So if you'll notice 2 stars unit at you opponent then you'll build something else ? There are 2 reasons to check your opponents build and this is all "big TACTICS" for this game: 1. To know their level and comp to see if is better to level up. 2. To see if they have Blitz, Zephyr, hextech, assasins to know how to position you units. Even so there are so few positioning ways: tight or split. Don't tell me you build something to combat your opponents comps because would be a big lie. > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=v2ZA5Ac2,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-21T04:15:35.258+0000) > > 1) Yes, you can, early on when that decision has to be made. Are you a robot ? Because this makes me laugh. So you are looking at your opponents and choose what to build ? :)))))) Maybe RIOT wanted that idea, but the result proved us that this game has 10% tactics, the rest is RNG.
Not if they have 2*s. If they're building something that uses a lot of the same units as you. It's pretty easy to see what someone's going to be building. So, early on, you want to make the decision of whether to race them on it or just build something else. I don't build to counter their comp unless I see 3+ people running something that's countered by an option I have to build. If I see two people running Yordles and a third running Glacial you can bet your ass I'm running sorcs if I can, but I'm not running sorcs just because one guy is running Glacials. I primarily build what I'm pulling frequently around 2-2, and what's **not** being built by everyone else, so that I can actually get the champions I need. Another strategy that you ignored is buying up what your opponents need. Someone's running Nobles? Well there you go, start buying up Kayles simply to make their build harder.
: How come people who afk do not get banned yet people who flame do
So....Because they AFK'd in your game, this means that nobody who goes AFK will ever be punished?
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=RaE1aOE7,discussion-id=v2ZA5Ac2,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-21T04:15:35.258+0000) > > pay attention to what other people were building? Thats a BS argument for so many reasons: 1) You can not switch comp mid game based on what your opponants have. 2) You can not decide to build counter if you dont get the champions for it 3) I am not a sheep, I do not follow based on what others build, I lead the game and other can follow if they want. 4) The chance for any player getting a single champion is the same at any given moment. So for me to get my first Draven is the same chance for an other player getting his third Draven, assuming we have the same player level. So there is no reason not to build what others are building, untill you hit the gold 5 units of course because they are very limited. But even then, the chance of getting such a unit is the same.
1) Yes, you can, early on when that decision has to be made. Around 2-1 or 2-2, when you're starting to solidify your comp, you need to figure out if you need to swap for any reason. 2) True, but counterbuilding isn't that important. Positioning does more for that. 3) Ok? Do what you want. But since Riot can only go one way, they're going to go for the one that doesn't ultimately suck. 4) Not true. It's also influenced by level. And the reason not to build what they are is because you have lower odds. If 3 people are using builds that involve Nidalee, that means I have much lower odds of getting Nidalee because so many people are using her.
: easier said than done you can behave for hundreds of games and troll a single time or drop one slur and youre gone tried many times... take this account for instance, I was clean for 19 levels and one game later im gone for two weeks
No. It's done just as easily as said. Hundreds of games. A single warning is all I've had. Maybe if you have that much trouble keeping your temper in check you should try a therapist.
: You dont have an honor 5 person suddenly flame one game and go back to being a good joe the next. Typically those who flame like that are used to it, and have a record of doing so. Its easy to see when a person snaps one game vs when theyre toxic in all their games.
So....Because of some assumption you have, you're making the assumption that they were toxic before and they weren't punished after this?
: Its frustrating how griefing isn't punished.
So.....You saw them be toxic or troll and this tells you they never got punished....How, exactly?
: Permabanned carryover
Solution: Stop getting permabanned constantly.
: I'm guessing you are one of these people that are blind when it comes to RNG based games because you are so lucky
Senamz13 (NA)
: How is Vladimir considered balanced?
Massive level advantage, I assume a massive gold advantage, and a single instance means ***LITERALLY NOTHING***. You know what actually fucking matters? [His actual fucking stats that you somehow managed to forget to post in your haste to go "REEEEEEEEEEEEEE CHAMP BROKE"](https://u.gg/lol/champions/vladimir/build). 50.1% winrate 6.4% pickrate. That is almost literally exact average. Vlad's bullshit, but he's objectively balanced.
: Fiora Nerfs anytime soon???
[Why the fuck would she need nerfs?](https://u.gg/lol/champions/fiora/build) Just because you struggle against her or find her annoying doesn't mean she needs nerfs. Statistics are the ***ONLY*** thing that matters there. > Aside from that, if you're under tower vs a Fiora, chances are you're going to die easily while she lives due to her ultimate. lolwut. Her R takes a decent amount of time to get off if her opponent isn't completely stationary and, you know, bothers to actually do anything. She's squishy as fuck and would just die 90% of the time in that situation. If she's getting her ult off against you under your turret then you massively fucked up.
: despite her pick rate and win rate she still ranks 20th out of 26 bot laners in terms of damage dealt
It's almost like there's more to the game than damage.
: That's not the point
CurS1VE (NA)
: Wait...Ashe has a 55% WR???
Yeah. She's surprisingly strong. Still a significantly below average banrate, though. Nobody ever really thinks of Ashe as being strong, though, so that's probably why.
: Make TFT Fixed Ratio of Champs instead of this RNG
So....how is it more RNG because you didn't pay attention to what other people were building?
: Jax And Renekton with Spear Of shojin to op
Gee it's almost like they're removing the damn item in preseason.
: > [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OtX7u0TZ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-10-20T23:27:13.154+0000) > > So...why should the zero-counterplay instaburst from stealth with instant AoE hard CC be at a good winrate? > > Wukong is fundamentally bullshit and shouldn't get a single buff until his rework. Yeah, although people in NA would not see it because of their low research skills. Korea used mid wukong a whole year in soloque.
: so you telling me if you have someone on your team trolling, afking, flaming its okay???? That is completely ruining the game and banning the wrong person?????? while a bunch of trolls are doing this on purpose to tilt players and to get others mad is totally toxic the only thing my teammates force me to do was not have a good time. I tried to be nice but when you play a competitive game and you int,afk, and troll just to ruins someone day is not fun and you wouldn't like it either My whole point I didn't deserve a perma ban because I wasn't completely toxic like other at a day to day basis
You are responsible for your own actions at all time, unless they physically forced you into it (e.g. you are excused for AFK if you can prove they actually drophacked you). Otherwise, what they did is also excused because you were toxic.
Frostouch (EUNE)
: A change that needs to be made in the game
Why do you hate trading champions in select?
: Another day where Wukong sit at 47-48% winrate with almost RIP pick rate and no presence in world
So...why should the zero-counterplay instaburst from stealth with instant AoE hard CC be at a good winrate? Wukong is fundamentally bullshit and shouldn't get a single buff until his rework.
: Garen is not fair
How do people ignore that Riot's already nerfing him?
: Bring back ARAM bans and revert all damage changes
So...instead of actually **balancing** the fucking mode, you want them to put in a feels-shit bandaid where you autolose if someone forgets to ban Xerath?
: Unfair Perma ban
>hello riot, i have been permanently banned on my account exposedtnt I have said some toxic things This is all that matters. Your teammates did not force you to do anything.
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