Anatera (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=5uMoQVTH,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T04:08:05.305+0000) > > What are you getting so worked up about? I claim you are making a straw man. You get angry and insult me. I ask for proof of your claim. You try to dismiss it. I give you a detailed explanation of why I say you are straw manning. You give me a 'tl;dr' and throw yet more insults. And then more insults. What is your problem? I tried discussing it and you respond with you refusing to read the discussion lmao. How is that on me? The only person throwing insults here is you lol. I believe you need to chill out, not me. Ohhh I get it now. See, what gave you away is "getting so worked up about" even though I'm obviously not and I've been quite civil for most of this thread. Yeah, I think it's pretty clear now you're just trying to rile me up. Sorry, but like I said in the first post. that's not what I'm here for, so I won't be doing that. Although if this is what you consider entertainment, might I suggest you do , I dunno, literally anything else? I hear there's this game called League of Legends you can try. Good day.
You've directly insulted me like 6 times now and ***I'm*** trying to rile ***you*** up? How can you claim to be the civil one? It's insult after insult after insult after insult from you to me lol. I dunno man, next time try not to word your argument in an intentionally deceitful manner. Paraphrasing means summarizing what someone said, not making something up they never claimed. Putting words in people's mouths is not paraphrasing. Others are aware that the OP is deceptive as well, hence why it got all the downvotes. People are not mind readers. We only have what you presented to go off of. You can't expect to type one thing then magically expect people to know that's not what you meant lol
Anatera (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=5uMoQVTH,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T03:48:11.815+0000) > > Why are you on a discussion forum then if you aren't interested in discussion? You aren't entitled to only get the answers you want to hear. It's quite simple, you tried using a straw man argument and I pointed it out. Instead of phrasing your argument in a rational way, you chose to lie and put words in peoples' mouths instead. Then you started throwing direct insults. I'm sorry, but it's actually you that is being the ass. You aren't discussing, you're being an ass. And I know I'm not entitled to it, I literally just said that. Jesus christ. They gave me the answer regardless and I'm relatively satisfied with it. Can you like, try and calm down? This doesn't even have anything to do with you.
What are you getting so worked up about? I claim you are making a straw man. You get angry and insult me. I ask for proof of your claim. You try to dismiss it. I give you a detailed explanation of why I say you are straw manning. You give me a 'tl;dr' and throw yet more insults. And then more insults. What is your problem? I tried discussing it and you respond with you refusing to read the discussion lmao. How is that on me? The only person throwing insults here is you lol. I believe you need to chill out, not me.
Anatera (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=5uMoQVTH,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T03:29:33.705+0000) > > It's exactly what you did though. You created a false statement and implied a Rioter said it. I can break this down if you like. > > "We" is a _personal_ pronoun and implies the group that is to "take action" is the one speaking. Of course, the entity that takes action against peoples' accounts is Riot Games. You used "we" and not "I" to imply it is someone speaking on behalf of the entire entity (in this case Riot Games) and not a singular person's view. > > However, this quote is made up. You and I know this already, but your intent was to mislead people to bolster your point. The only line of the body is you demanding proof of a statement you already know is made up. > > This is exactly what a strawman is. > > You intentionally misrepresented Riot's policy on punishment so it would be easier to argue your angle. You already know the "quote" is 100% false so it would be easy for you to defeat it. That is why you attempted to represent it as an official opinion, but you're just lying. This is known as beating a strawman > > Sorry dude but being called on the crap you're pulling doesnt make someone childish. You're the one who tried lying to us. Respect is earned, not given and you'll be hard pressed to find people who will give you much when you lie to them. No...I was simply asking for something. You don't need to write an essay btw, I'm not interested enough to be reading the whole thing. They could just as easily have ignored me entirely. However, I got a response from Djinn and I'm more or less satisfied with it. All other posts from anyone else is just minor issues. And of course that quote isn't accurate, I'm just paraphrasing it. Sorry? I guess? Don't be an ass just because you're so confident of your superiority. It makes you no different than the people you so happily criticize on the PB boards. Your assumption of malice is mildly amusing, but outside of that, not much else.
Why are you on a discussion forum then if you aren't interested in discussion? You aren't entitled to only get the answers you want to hear. It's quite simple, you tried using a straw man argument and I pointed it out. Instead of phrasing your argument in a rational way, you chose to lie and put words in peoples' mouths instead. Then you started throwing direct insults. I'm sorry, but it's actually you that is being the ass.
life308 (NA)
: Permanent Ban appeal
Send a support ticket in. There is nothing anyone on this board can do for you
Anatera (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=5uMoQVTH,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-11-14T01:52:41.790+0000) > > Find me one example of where Riot says this. I'll wait. Why? The way you worded your response tells me you're not actually interested, you just want more ammo.
It's exactly what you did though. You created a false statement and implied a Rioter said it. I can break this down if you like. > "We don't take action based on a single game" "We" is a _personal_ pronoun and implies the group that is to "take action" is the one speaking. Of course, the entity that takes action against peoples' accounts is Riot Games. You used "we" and not "I" to imply it is someone speaking on behalf of the entire entity (in this case Riot Games) and not a singular person's view. However, this quote is made up. You and I know this already, but your intent was to mislead people to bolster your point. The only line of the body is you demanding proof of a statement you already know is made up. This is exactly what a strawman is. > straw man > /ˌstrô ˈman/ > noun > 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument. You intentionally misrepresented Riot's policy on punishment so it would be easier to argue your angle. You already know the "quote" is 100% false so it would be easy for you to defeat it. That is why you attempted to represent it as an official opinion, but you're just lying. This is known as beating a strawman Sorry dude but being called on the crap you're pulling doesnt make someone childish. You're the one who tried lying to us. Respect is earned, not given and you'll be hard pressed to find people who will give you much when you lie to them.
Anatera (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=5uMoQVTH,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-11-14T00:37:33.134+0000) > > "I put things in quotes even though nobody actually said them so I can strawman the fuck out of a statement that was never made" Don't be so childish. Your response and the way you wrote it says quite a lot about your true nature. Talk about disappointing. And yes, they do say this, every time someone comes on and asks why they were suspended because of a single game.
Find me one example of where Riot says this. I'll wait.
: DOGSHIT RANKED MATCH MAKING PLS LOOK two plats, iron, silver, and gold
This is literally a list of people you searched in op.gg lol. You havent even played a single game today. That player hasnt played in 3 days either lol
: Oh good. A troll. Sorry a minion hit me and jacked the timer up. You know that takes 15 seconds to reset? The vast majority of that damage was done in 3 hits & 1 ability that looked like 1 auto because of her resets.
Did you miss the part where I literally linked the video of the whole fight?
: Oh good. A troll. Sorry a minion hit me and jacked the timer up. You know that takes 15 seconds to reset? The vast majority of that damage was done in 3 hits & 1 ability that looked like 1 auto because of her resets.
Anatera (NA)
: "We don't take action based on a single game"
"I put things in quotes even though nobody actually said them so I can strawman the fuck out of a statement that was never made"
: "Prick" is in the auto system. And you said it twice. At some one....so yea....the auto system got you.
: Linked it for you. Shouldn't down-vote right away, Fiora is actually in an overly strong unhealthy spot.
> Heals whole health bar is almost dead > Does 1400+ Damage in .2 seconds < 1400 damage 25.27 seconds I mean you kinda just proved you were lying lol https://imgur.com/a/pqPWeS3 Yup. Definitely lying.
Eckheart (NA)
: Health is a filler stat. Liandries and Rylais have health because their function to tank burn. Morellonomicon also needs hp because it is part of the trinity of killing tanks and Vlad.
How is health a filler? Its effective against all 3 damage types unlike resistances
: What is the criteria for ban?
You type paragraphs every game insulting people. You can take a look at section 5 of the Terms of Use: https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse#code-conduct and the Summoner's Code: https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/ That you agreed to Also section 2.1.2.(A ) of the terms of use states they can terminate your account if you violate these agreements. The next step after a 14 day ban is permanant ban and your account will be on very thin ice. Even minor infractions will result in a permaban after the 14 day ban
Pika Fox (NA)
: The difference is her new kit is far more balanced. Old akali got less tweaks because they just gutted her intentionally. New akali doesnt have a kit that requires intentional gutting.
How is she far more balanced? She is a completely unbalancable mess right now. Even after they removed her unique mechanic. She is trash in low through mid ELO while simultaneously being completely broken in high ELO and competitive. They are going to have to pretty much gut her for every ELO but super high if they don't want her pick/ban in competitive or accept her being pick/ban if they want her to be ok in soloq
: Anybody worried about where all the bot accounts will play once Twisted Treeline is gone?
: What is the weakest top laner in the game?
: When Riot puts Diamond 1 player against two Iron 2 players
Whats with that 0/26 game? You should be banned lol. How does the IFS not catch someone going 0/26 in a 25 minute game?
D4V1D B (EUW)
: Honor system is broken for ranked rewards
You don't need to be a cheerleader lol. You need to not get punished. That's it. If you didnt use chat once all season you would get your rewards
Toddwick (NA)
: The True Value of Twisted Treeline
What it comes down to is what resources do they have and what is the best way to distribute them. Nobody is going to argue that TT was left to rot years ago, but it only got to that point because even when they gave it attention and a full VGU it generated no interest. Now we have things like TFT and their other games coming and 1) it makes little to no sense to put any resources in a dice roll on TT where history has shown the odds are not in their favor and 2) now need the extra server space with all these new things coming. Servers space is not cheap. Especially ones that have the capacity to host an extremely large game like LoL and 3) it is becoming an eyesore and is in desperate need of a full VU again which they just cant justify doing. They are trying to keep the game look fresh and modern It's check and balances that decide the outcome. I'm sure if you surveyed TT mains then 99.9% of them would want it to stay, but that is only one factor of many.
: ....... And you are so far down the rabbit hole you no longer can get out. Congrats on your delusions.
Look at you go xD And you say ***I'm *** the narcissist? Do you actually think piling it on higher makes people believe you? Let me guess, you are also an ex navy seal with a medal of honor and volunteer your weekends at an orphanage xD You want the math? Work: 104 days Sleep: 106.5 days PoE: 46.8 days Assuming 40 minutes a game between matchmaking, champ select, occasional dodges and remakes, and game time LoL: 88.9 days These alone add up to ***346 days*** of the year. Throw 'managing a greenhouse' 'raising my wife' (the actual fuck?), a kid, and all the other horse shit you threw in. That's not even factoring in getting ready, commute, eating, bathing, restroom, etc. Father of the year "raising a child with a disability" 3 minutes a week xD Do you see why everyone thinks you're full of shit now? Because you pathologically lie about ***everything*** over and over and over. You don't even make good lies. You make them so blatantly obvious that it cringes reading them. It is fascinating though. Do you mind telling me what goes through your head when you make this stuff up and actually expect people to believe it?
: ....... And you are so far down the rabbit hole you no longer can get out. Congrats on your delusions.
The only delusion is you thinking that people would actually believe a 700+ game hardstuck low silver player is diamond 2
: Statistically speaking, Your impact in a game with 9 other people is just 10%
That's not how statistics work. That's like saying LeBron only has a 7% impact on the games he plays. People who do well in a match have more impact. You only would flatline at 10% if everyone in your matches are equally skilled. AKA your true ELO
: I don't care what you think. I care what I know :) I also don't use upvotes as credentials nor care..... 60% of my threads actually get stalker downvotes and I still go 7-8 replies to them. I'm an educator. I use accurate numbers, accurate arguments, without general bias, and that's what I care about. If I'm wrong and someone presents an argument that substantially proves I'm wrong, I'll cede that I'm wrong, because that's what an educator is; someone is equally gifted at both learning and teaching. The very fact that I don't cede to narcissistic, egotistical you, should speak volumes.
Are you actually calling me a narcissist after what you just said? Go back and reread how hard you just jerked yourself off lol Let me correct you. You are not this great educator that you claim to be. That is a false persona you are trying to project on to others. In other words that is what you ***want*** to be seen as, not how you are ***actually*** perceived. Hate to burst your bubble, but obviously you are seen to other people as that hardstuck low silver guy who lies about having high ELO accounts to jerk off his ego. You desperately want to be that guy. You want to be the guy with all the answers. The one who is good at the game. The one everyone respects. But you aren't. In fact, now you're known for the complete opposite lol Which is especially hilarious because when someone calls out your rank you tell them to address the argument and not your rank. Yet you repeatedly reference your ***fake*** high ELO account as merit towards your arguments other times when it's convenient to you. In an attempt to keep this persona going, you point to fake qualifications and achievements. For example, referencing blatantly fake high ELO accounts. Or pointing out how many up votes and posts you make as credibilty when they mean nothing. You then try using a technique I call "leaving yourself an out" where a person makes a statement or claim while leaving themselves deniability. In your case, you blatantly obviously are trying to state number of posts and votes as credibilty while following up by saying you don't use up votes as credentials. The obvious intent was to use them as credentials while leaving yourself room to deny it later. This technique is very similar to the humblebrag where a person is "not bragging", but in reality are trying to brag. I don't even understand why you tried using this on me because if you actually took the two seconds to check you would realize it's not in your favor I say fake high ELO accounts because they obviously do not exist. I feel the need to tell you that repeating the lie over and over again does not convince people otherwise. Let me break down what you are expecting us to believe. You are expecting us to believe that someone who is posting from an account that is ***700+*** games hardstuck low silver ***this season alone*** is actually a high Diamond smurf. This person then absolutely refuses to take 60 seconds to prove their claim beyond a shadow of a doubt by just logging into it and posting from it. This person refuses to instantly shut all the neigh sayers with almost no effort and insists we just believe them anyway. You refuse because ***you can't***. Your diamond 2 account doesn't exist. It would take mere moments to shut everyone up and yet you can't do it. Then you seriously, unironically think people will believe this obvious and blatant lie you tell if you just say it enough times lol. You're fucking nuts. Just so you are aware, it is so incredibly easy for me and everyone else to see you are a lieing. You need to get it out of your head that anyone is going to believe you when you are so incredibly bad at lying. The jig is up. The jury is out. That's why people call you out every single time.
: I think it speaks volumes that you took ~ 14 hours to remember someone with over 9000 forums posts and lifetime upvotes. P.S. Not hard stuck. Just dishonored, and screwed over by the removal of Positional ranking. My other three accounts are healthy.... even the one I created during a 2 week ban on this one.
Well thats cute you think I was thinking about you for 14 hours. No, I just happened into this thread and saw the other guy's comment. Really you just arent a very memorable person. Outstandingly bland tbh. The kind of person who uses upvotes in an internet forum as credentials. That's why you slipped my mind Still keeping the 'high elo alt accounts' charade going? Big fucking yikes. The vast majority of people arent that dumb
: If playing him in Season 4 but not since then is playing him since, guilty. There are a lot of players who identify with Udyr as a person/avatar that represents them. That's me. I just wish the KIT was identifying with me. Until it does, I won't play him. I'll pull 30+ KDA's on Zyra instead. I'll 1 trick Morgana in all roles. I'll dominate with Nami. I'll dominate with Senna.
Oh fuck now I remember you. You are that guy who claims to have high diamond accounts while posting on a 700+ game hardstuck low silver account and can't link or provide any proof that these other accounts exist. Then you unironically expect people to believe it. _**You**_ always try to bring up *my* post history? Whew lad I won't forget next time no worries {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
Lost R (NA)
: Sometimes, being really good is not good enough
Honestly this comes across as you trying to brag a lot instead of an actual complaint
: getting banned because my team traded reports
If two people break the law they both get charged. They don't cancel each other out
: Would it make an high impact? Yes. Would he be garbage? Unlikely, given how bloated his kit is. Completely removing it is a little too much, true, but I would at least reduce the range by half or a good 33%
Quáx (NA)
: If you're gonna remove ward hop for some champs why not do it for all champs?
They use it as a lever. A mechanic that can be removed or kept if they feel that normal numbers adjustments aren't going to achieve their goal
: just revert the rework its imposible to balance this new akali {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
They've never reverted a vgu
JoshTGW (NA)
: ETA on the Next Round of Akali Nerfs?
After the next Ryze rework. So about 3 days
: > [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YK1RVQwp,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-05T03:16:09.449+0000) > > What failed accounts? Find me one of them. One. I'll wait. > > This is exactly why I dont do these in depth responses on this board anymore. I can site all this information, published scientific papers, links, info, etc then nobody actually reads it and insists the "evidence" they pulled out of thin air with zero proof is valid. Or better yet like the other guy just arbitrarily decide they are now a world renown source on mathematics and computer learning so they can just make whatever claim they want out of thin air [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LGOYa6lAg0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LGOYa6lAg0) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdP_gHh6YFA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdP_gHh6YFA) For reference he literally ditches accounts he loses placement games on.
Account literally has 90% winrate and the onther one lost a single game. Show me one single example of an account that failed. A single one. Just one.
: 1) Some lanes do not make mistakes. You are heavily disgracing and insulting "everyone" in a mixed bag elo where about half the population are either boosters, smurfs, ex-bannees, and generally systematically hold good objective, gold, and KDA scores game after game. 2) Your Twitch/Youtube feeds set up their own games. Not only do they play champions who do not NEED mistakes to capitalize on, they usually duo another person of the same elo they are in to ENSURE they do not need to capitalize on. Furthermore, most don't post every game. Most have more losses than they'd like to admit. 3) You have a biased opinion, being a fanboy who rarely even plays ranked. You almost entirely play ARAM and nothing else. 4) You're comparing Challenger to Silver. Think a little lower. Plat cannot carry Silver. Gold cannot carry Silver. And even the challengers play champs who do not need mistakes to capitalize. They just smurf reset champs against people who can't react to .1 second executes. 5) Dunning Kruger: Stop horribly abusing the theory as an internet Meme. The founders of the paper themselves have said publicly they do not endorse the way you use Dunning Kruger, as an excuse in any situation to suggest confidence is misplaced, and that at any given point, people are validating their own inadequacies. Dunning Kruger was intended to be instrospective, and be an incentive for a person to seek education, peer evaluations. it wasn't designed to say you're an idiot or to confirm someone else's Bias. You, Yourself, by dismissing quantifiable testimony and good data, are more guilty of Dunning Kruger than I. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zGDNO1_ehg 6) Elo Hell is generally agreed to be Silver or Below, which happens to be....... 50% of the community. I've never seen someone attempt greater specificity. 7) I didn't arbitrarily decide anything. Anything I said about math vs abstracts is true. You cannot derive an accurate formula to stand in as a dummy that defines random players taking random roles on your team who play in random ways, with random choices for objective priorities, which constantly change based on how they interact with 9 other players, or in some cases 19 other players (remakes, previous game experience, etc) I dare you to try to quantify that math. I'm a BA. in economics with a background in Game Theory. 8) Your newest article on Egocentrism is from 1971? 9) Shopping algorithms are far simpler than than quantifying randomized encounters. For one thing, these companies extrapolating this data have over 20+ years of consumer data on said female, and a MUCH more robust set of her entire purchasing histories. Furthermore, it's all backed by dollar amounts, income data, addresses attached to them, bank transactions. If she shops at Walmart with a Credit Card for 19 years, has routinely on average had similar purchasing patterns, mailed to a certain location, and suddenly starts spending with a second credit card, the location of the bills change, and her purchasing habits switch to indigestion medicine and comfort cures for nausea, the credit card has a strong history that 1) She has moved due to a nausea discomfort, met abnormal financial difficulties, and it doesn't take much more research to predict a pregnancy. There's also the fact she's facebooking, talking about a new relationship, and Facebook is selling that data. ----------- In contrast, you have no case history of a game player in interaction with 9 other players, other than their own primary tendencies. You have no data that tells you how they will interact with 9 aggressive players when they themselves are cautious. You have no data telling you if they will become aggressive and adapt, or how their attitude in the game they played 20 minutes ago is going to affect THIS game. At best, you have an aggregate understanding of the COMMUNITY, and you assign that average label to that player.
***THEY ARE SOLO QUE GAMES. YOU CANNOT MAKE A RANKED CUSTOM GAME TO RIG. IT LITERALLY SAYS THIS IN THE POST GAME LOBBY. IT SHOWS THEIR WIN-LOSS. YOU CAN LITERALLY LOOK UP THE ACCOUNTS. YOU CAN SEE IF THEY'RE DUOING*** How is this ***actually*** in your answer? I play ARAM on this account because it has every champ unlocked. I carry my accounts to gold every season for 4 years and I'm not even plat like what? How tf can plat players not carry silver? How the fuck are you even attempting to say what is required to carry our of silver when you've never been out of it? How the hell would you know? Your opinion on what Gold and Plat can or cannot carry is 100% completely invalid because you've never ever been one. How tf are _you_ going to tell _me_ what _I_ am or am not capable of carrying? It takes me <50 games to climb out of silver every season 90% of the time and ***NEVER more than 70 or 80. You have played more ranked games ***in this season alone*** than I ever have yet I can repetitively climb out of silver and you cant? Now why is this? Could it be...... I am I gold level player? Why is the result 100% for one person and 0% for the other? Why can one climb to gold over and over and over again and another cant do it once? Why do the majority of Diamond players climb back to Diamond? Why do the majority of players in general end up back in the same ELO? Well maybe, _just maybe_ because they are playing around the same general skill level so they end up around the same general ELO? I know, a real shocking concept Why dont we ask? Let's find some plat players and ask them if they can carry silver lmao. The authors of the the Dunning -Kruger effect do not dispute the conclusion of their data. They do not object citing the theory. They object to people using it as a literal meme as a synonym for stupidity because it is a far more diverse concept. It is being used in only one regard while the full scope of it is ignored. They object to people using it as a tool to insult. ***That*** is what they object to. > Elo Hell is generally agreed to be Silver or Below, which happens to be....... 50% of the community. I've never seen someone attempt greater specificity. Wow what a shocker. > ever wonder why ELO hell is ALWAYS in the division the person making the claim happens to be in? Wonder no more! Egocentrism! Weird how the silver player says ELO hell is Silver. The Gold player says it's in Gold. The Plat player says its Plat. The Diamond player says Diamond. Wow the place where the the most players is where the most people say it is! Wonder why that is? > Shopping algorithms are far simpler than than quantifying randomized encounters. Dude. They have results of ***over 700*** games this season alone from you. What more data do they need? You actually, unironically believe that Rito has been holding you back for 700+ games? Completely serious? > Anything I said about math vs abstracts is true. You make a valid argument by **_presenting information and evidence_**. Let me drop another term on you. What you are attempting to do is called an _argument from authority_. Congrats, you are using the exact same logic as people who cite the bible as proof. Instead of making a real argument, you insist that a BA in ***economics*** makes you an expert in ***machine learning***? No, your BA or Masters in a field should ***allow*** someone to make an actual argument. It's not an argument by itself. Imagine if you had a professor where when you asked them a question they said "you're wrong because I have a Master degree". When you ask them why they say "because I have a master degree". _**Thats not an actual argument**_. The Master degree will allow them to explain why it is wrong The only thing that matters is destroying the nexus. This is the sole objective of the enitre game. If you cannot succeed in doing this because you are such a 1337 player who passively does absolutely fucking nothing all game, never takes calculated risks, can't adapt to anything, never pushes boundaries, never does anything but hope to be carried then you are not good at league of legends and therefore are going to be low ELO and it is 100% entirely your doing. Your playstyle is ***your*** choice that you make. If you consistently decide on a playstyle that cannot win games then it is ***your fault*** when you lose. If you can't adapt to a game, it is ***your fault***. If you are incapable of dealing with people with different playstyles it is ***your fault***. If you do not possess the skills to succeed in League of Legends it is ***your fault*** and not some made up ELO hell holding you back
: More like the old "Your argument has holes bigger than the Titanic, plug'em and you might have something that floats." It's your job to prove your point. It's my job to criticize your point. That's how things work everywhere but MSNBC.
I claim that your claim that my claim of your claim being false is incorrect. Show me proof that this is incorrect. I have listed dozens of sources and evidence. If you would like to question the credibility of my information you will have to introduce information to the contrary. Weird how you havent been able to find a single one of these "failed accounts" yet. Not one.
: Show me proof that they didn't have multiple attempts on fresh accounts. I can upload a video to Youtube of flipping a coin and it landing on it's edge... doesn't mean I can do it every time. I just didn't bother uploading all the fails obviously. Also being long winded isn't a plus my dude. Say what you NEED to say, then hush. Misc people online don't care enough about ya to read your book. Short and concise gets read.
Ah, the absolute classic. "I dont have to prove my point, you have to prove it for me!". Then don't make a claim lmao. It's your claim. You are the one asserting it is true. It is ***your*** burden of proof. Want to see how your logic works? I claim that your claim is false. Show me proof that you are not incorrect. Solid rationale amirite?
: So basically just have a crony level up a new account for the easy/fast MMR on a fresh account is what you are saying. Where are the 10 failed accounts they didn't upload to youtube exactly?
What failed accounts? Find me one of them. One. I'll wait. This is exactly why I dont do these in depth responses on this board anymore. I can site all this information, published scientific papers, links, info, etc then nobody actually reads it and insists the "evidence" they pulled out of thin air with zero proof is valid. Or better yet like the other guy just arbitrarily decide they are now a world renown source on mathematics and computer learning so they can just make whatever claim they want out of thin air
: You're right. You just respond to them with 1 liners callig them bull**** and not telling them why unless provoked. And then hardline a conversation about elo hell that you keep posting, even though 1)** Mathematics cannot take into account abstract impacts of that 1 Placement player in Gold/Silver per game** (It can only rationalize them as being equally nub, and having a statistical impact, when in reality, each one affects games differently) 2) **Mathematics cannot justify the difference between play style methods of 10 different players per game and how they interact **(A Diamond/Plat Calm, farming, lane phase player who is waiting for open opportunities to get objectives/kills often loses in Silver, because that's not a luxury those games give them. By the time they have patiently farmed, and their laners have fed them 2-3 kills, the rest of the map has already gave up 30+ kills, and the opposing team has 4500 Gold leads in the other lanes, and their turrets are all still up, while you're missing 4 of them) 3) **The probabilities created by MMR to be close to 50% are so close to 50%, they might as well be 50%.** Even if "you" being a superior player has an impact on your overall performance, it's usually so small that you're still going to tread water, and for you to see any positive impact, you need 4000-5000 games per season just to gain 1-2 elos above where your MMR says you should be. (In other words, you're trying to argue the mathematics behind an elo hell versus the abstracts people interpret as an elo hell.) 4) **The fact Riot actively does things that DO affect your MMR,** and the amount of power you have over correcting it. (Season 6 Dynamic Queue, Season 9 Positional Ranking, new champions, active heavy hands in champ balance adjusting the math of success constantly) 5) **The increase in the need to have high DPI/click speeds even in Low Elo, shutting out both people with moderate latency or below, and those who are teamed with new players, and those who are new players.** It also shuts out those who have families, because you cannot maintain 180 clicks a minute with a family in your ears, or work 12 hour days. Your brain can't process a game in active noise the same way someone in absolute silence can.
Here we go again. And you wonder why I get annoyed with people. It's because I have to explain this over and over and over to ***the same people.*** Round 823,452 here we go. > A Diamond/Plat Calm, farming, lane phase player who is waiting for open opportunities to get objectives/kills often loses in Silver What a massive load. Diamond+ players do not just farm out games in silver and "wait". They recognize the massive amount of mistakes that low ELO players make and capitalize on them. League is a game of tempered aggression and calculated risks, ***NOT*** a game of perfection. ELO hell is bullshit.People who believe in it are delusional. Since you dont grasp what this means and think I am insulting people when I use this word, I guess I have to explain. It is a ***literal*** delusion. People who *hold delusions* are *delusional*. Get it now? Let me get you the definition. > de·lu·sion > /dəˈlo͞oZHən/ > noun > an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument This defines the concept of ELO hell exactly. People will push the limits of mental gymnastics to try to justify this when literally any and all tangible evidence says it doesn't. All speculation aside, the actual admissible evidence we can observe is what happens when people make smurfs. Diamond+ players never get hardstuck on a Silver/Bronze account. Never. Not even Plat players do. Want examples? Gosu unranked to Diamond in 24 hours: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZzIXeLwFu8 Gosu Bronze to Diamond: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re6F2kXnY4U HuzzyGames: Iron to Diamond Season 9: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgxjS9_YdxP7QD0fL7FkOxFb5dvmXiW5B HuzzyGames: Unranked to Diamond Season 8: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgxjS9_YdxP7bAnlH7y6k_hNR8vrHPLia Huzzygames: Unranked to Diamond Season 7: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgxjS9_YdxP60YAnNLNYGsP4dFJR5MoLq HuzzyGames: Unranked to Diamond Season 6: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgxjS9_YdxP470rErduQkRunOWuK2MpMw HuzzyGames: Unranked to Diamond Season 5: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgxjS9_YdxP70SkIc5rAAFIDHfjJPChbi Jayasea: Bronze to Diamond Season 8: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLI6-n9FVsY&list=PLWLlskw0fR7zP1-yQ7F8H1McDvrw2P17v Jaysea: Iron to Diamond Season 9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fRvn4ONn70&list=PLWLlskw0fR7ykcDSyQOmfIN2eRCNrgxto Yassuo: Unranked to Challenger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hy0HKYTdTA FullMetalJayce: Unranked to Diamond: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAs9iqziReA KatEvloved: Unranked to Diamond: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sox2VVLX8hk Do you want more? Because I can get you literally ***HUNDREDS*** if not ***THOUSANDS*** of examples and ***not a single one*** gets stuck in low ELO. ***Not ONE.*** Go ahead. Find me actual examples instead of just insisting these players exist. The ones who afk farm in silver games and wait. The ones who are losing. The ones who get stuck. I'll wait right here So what is the difference between these players and people "stuck in ELO hell"? Do they get double base stats for having a Diamond+ alt? Do they get more starting gold? Do they get access to better champions? Do they get exclusive OP items? No, it's ***skill.*** Skill is the _**only**_ defining characteristic that allows them to rapidly climb amoungst lower ELO players. Players who are ***more SKILLED*** than the ELO they are playing in ***do not*** get stuck "in ELO hell". _The greater the difference in skill, the more impact you have in the game._ This is why when you approach your true MMR, your winrate started to flaten out. This is "the *forced* 50% winrate*** that people think proves the existence of ELO hell. In reality, it's exactly what happens when you are playing with people of your skill level. You do not have any more skill discrepancy to influence more game in your favor. This is exactly how an ELO system is supposed to work. By the time your influence slows down significantly, you are already close to your true MMR. That is when a bit of grinding kicks in. There are 4 randoms on your team and 5 on the other. Why is it that these players can consistently climb to Diamond on these accounts? Year after year? With hundreds of examples? Whats funny is that you bring up these "unranked accounts" that completely fucking warp the fabric of gold/silver when you've never been in the ELO they actually get dropped in. I've climbed my accounts to Gold for 4 straight years and this is just bullshit. You ***occasionally*** get one of these accounts that is drastically out of place and fucks up a game. But people will play 500+ games hardstuck in their true ELO then point to a single example or two and pull this bullshit "***THIS is the reason I can't climb" nonsense while ignoring the other _**500+**_ games. Why is that? Well that brings us to... The psychology of "ELO hell" There are a multitude of well documented phenomenon that explain why the myth of ELO hell exists. # Self-Serving Bias Self-serving bias is an extremely common and well known phenomenon. It's so common that we many have extremely well known examples dating back multiple millennia. It is a cognitive bias that people concoct to enhance their self esteem and view themselves in a more favorable manner. It helps explain (at least partially) a lot of human behavior like blatant hypocrisy. People tend to credit success to their own abilities or skill but credit failure to external reasons. The classic "I am good but my team is always shit" ELO hell myth is such a picture perfect example of this. Self servivng bias is also explains why when positive things happen (I.E. winning a match) they attribute it to their skill and attrition. However, when the inverse happens (I.E. losing a match) the same logic ***never*** applies. In fact, the ***exact opposites*** now magically applies. It's attributed to bad luck or deflected to an outside source. It wasnt the player's skill, it was "bad luck" or "shit team" or "Riot rigging my matches" **Papers: **(Bradley, J Pers 1978; Miller and Ross, 1975; Snyder, Stephan, & Rosenfileld, 1976; Ross., J Pers Soc Psychol, 1974; Brown & Rogers, 1991; Mezulis et al., 2004 Dont want to read? Youtube: [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HVaJt3xicM), [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRd-kFiVuGs), and [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQpJC3zvpjE) # Dunning-Kruger Effect The reasoning why incompetent people think they are competent. The Dunning-Kruger effect hypothesizes that people who are inadequate or bad at something lack the ability to see they are bad at it or the knowledge to see how much there is to learn on a subject and consequently grossly overestimate their ability. This is the effect that explains why stupid people think they are smart. Inversely, people who are good at something often underestimate their ability because they assume that because they find it easy, everyone else must find it easy. Or because they have the knowledge to see how much they still don't know. Papers: Justin Kruger & David Dunning, 1999; Justin Kruger & David Dunning, 2000; Bunay, Siguenza, Flores & Andrade, 2018; Burson, Katherine A., Larrick, Richard P., Klayman, Joshua (2006) Videos: [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y50i1bI2uN4), [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJz66wm95-M&t=422s), and [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7NdrkKD8Vk) # Egocentrism The tendency of people to only see the world as it affects them. For example, the common myth that "Riot forces me into a loss streak after a win streak. Throw back to self-serving bias as people always see the win streak as deserved because their ability and the loss streak is forced on them by an external factor. Aside from this, this is very evident in the blatant hypocrisy in how this supposedly works. "Rito games gives me shit players and all the enemies get good player to force me into a loss streak". Now think about this for more than 2 seconds and you can instantly see how much bullshit this is. The person is being "forced" to lose because they performed well, _**yet the "good" enemies with "higher winrates" and a "good team" are simultaneously being being "forced" to win.**_ See how bullshit this is now? It's an actual _**contradiction**_, but because of egocentrism people view themselves as being the center of everything. The recipient of this great injustice while everyone else magically gets the complete opposite treatment? Everyone else besides you gets free wins when they do well but you get punished? Yeah sure thing buddy. Also, ever wonder why ELO hell is ***ALWAYS*** in the division the person making the claim happens to be in? Wonder no more! ***Egocentrism!*** Weird how the silver player says ELO hell is Silver. The Gold player says it's in Gold. The Plat player says its Plat. The Diamond player says Diamond. Wow really funny how every single ELO is ELO hell isn't it? **Papers:** Mou et al., 2004; Sergio Moreno-ríos, Journal of Pragmatics, 2011; Ageev, B. C. (1990); William Looft & Don C. Charles, 1971; Videos: Ffs youtube it yourself Then you have the masterpiece of your argument. You arbitrarily deciding what math is or is not capable of doing. Wow I'm glad that in your completely unqualified opinion backed by thin air and absolutely no data that you have decided what technology is or is not capable of. We live in a world where shopping algorithms can detect when a woman is pregnant before she even knows she is and yet you have deemed what is or is not possible with them. Why? Because you said so! Lets take a look at an extremely simple mathematical concept that even you and I can appreciate. When RiTo GaMeZ fIxIn MuH mAtChEs they are ***also*** fixing the match ***for nine other people***. In a span of ten games Rito fixes influences the outcome of ***NINETY*** other players just to keep random nobody silver players down. Shout out to egocentrism again! All those other player are mere pawns in rito games mission to keep low ELO players that they dont even know exist down
: Unpopular opinion
Star Guardian Urgot is lame. What we really need is Heartseeker Urgot
: I could call 90% of your posts low effort duplicates. What you mean to say is, Low effort duplicates that aren't mine or aligned with my biases. (I have biases too; I'm merely pointing out that's what you mean. I personally enjoy other people's biases and take them into consideration into my own)
I don't think so. I tend not to make the "OmG yAsUo Op He DoEs StUfF ***AND*** tHiNgS!!!" threads over and over
: What's going on with Gameplay moderation today?
I'm down with them removing the plague of low effort duplicate shitposts. I'm just upset they let it go for so long which is actually why the board died and is a meme
Cuddlies (NA)
: I wasn't asking for sympathy. I'm here to tell you that you too can support your homophobic friends without getting yourself in trouble. Hey, Bonus is that if you get the subject you're attacking to slip up and saying something mean back at you, they'll get suspended too! Yay right?
You were treated exactly equal to anyone else telling people to kill themselves. How is that homophobic?
Undine6 (NA)
: Last shaco box nerf too much? 60 seconds to 40
I did some poking around and it looks like his AP build is still performing well in lane and is even on par with AD in the jungle (although picked much less). He was way overbuffed and really needed that nerf tbh. Overall Shaco is still overperforming even after the nerf and probably needs another one, not a buff.
: Really? Because it looks like 4 AD and 2 that can be AD or AP.
Like who? You can literally click the links and see their URF builds. 7 AP champs out of the top ten
: AP champs are mostly garbage in urf, you should be complaining about the AD clickers that just run around at 900MS oneshotting people. Oh, wait.. you play those. Lmao. Holy crap those scores.
LOL no? Why dont we check then? https://lolalytics.com/urf/worldwide/platinum/plus/champions/ Wow. 7 out of the top 10 winrates are AP. Guess AP is complete trash in URF
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scoot101 (NA)
: ZERATH NEEDS SOMETHING!!
: its definitely luck for elo hell brackets. It took me 100 or so games to get from silver 4 to 1. After i hit 1? took me 16 games max to to go from 1 to gold 4. The fact that it took so few for my promos and to go from 0 to 100 in silver 1 is because less inters and afkers and both sides were better skilled meaning the game was actually decided on my skill or me helping my team. The fact that I hit gold that easy means I was atleast playing with a gold 4 skill level. But thing is? I am literally playing the exact same way I was in silver 4. It took longer because while I was playing in a gold skill level my team was afking or inting so hard that being gold was not enough to force a silver win. Which leads to ping ponging of going from 4 to 2 then getting losing streaks that throw you back down to 3 or 4. None of the high ELO player get hard stuck because they are diamond,master,grandmaster, challenger players meaning they have more than enough skill to skip the whole thing or force enough wins. You should not have to be playing at a diamond skill level just to get out of silver 4. That makes no sense, it reminds me of WOTLK in wow where people required you to have a higher ilvl than the raid you were doing just to do it.
> its definitely luck for elo hell brackets. No It's not. ELO hell is so laughably false that it amazes me the mental gymnastics people attempt to rationalize it in their head. You know at the beginning of the season when sample sizes are low it is possible to just get some bad luck. Sure, I concede you could get shafted in your first 20 games. Maybe even 40-50. But then there are the people who play hundreds of games and still believe this nonsense. You can actually just go to youtube for proof. Out of the hundreds and hundreds of "unranked/bronze to diamond" series on Youtube, absolutely ***ZERO*** of them get stuck in silver. ***ZERO.*** Literally every single example of a higher **skilled **player being put into lower ELO shows that they can easily climb out. Most of the time they fuck around with troll builds, first timing champs, and playing off roles and still very easily climb out. Why? Because they are ***more SKILLED***, not ***more lucky***. All available evidence shows that ELO hell is complete and utter bullshit yet you still have all these people The only available evidence that supports it are people who ***CLAIM*** they are should be higher than they currently are, yet none of them can actually prove it. It's weird how despite when all evidence shows that ***ALL*** people ***confirmed*** to have the skill to reach higher ELOs never get stuck in low ELO, that people will instead give more weight to the people who are hundreds of game hardstuck at an ELO who claim they are should be higher ELO. Because people are far more likely to credit an opinion that agrees with their already preconceived notions and very quickly dismiss away information that disagrees, regardless of how valid the data is. But again, this goes back to the self-serving bias. When a player does well it is never ever, ever, EVER, ***EVER*** because the enemies were bad and made mistakes. They did well because they are _so good _ and _so skilled_. Wow I really deserved that win because I'm awesome. So much better than this ELO. Gotta boost their ego and self confidence. On the flip side, when they do bad it is never ever, ever, EVER, ***EVER*** because they played like shit. Gotta find an external source to deflect to. It's because noob jungler no ganks! Yeah thats it! I pinged for help and nobody came! It's ***their*** fault I fed my ass off! It's this one way street of bias that explains the ELO hell myth. When someone performs well, it was deserved by their effort and skill. When they don't perform well is it because their effort and skill as well? ***Fuck no.*** It's "trash team mates'" fault. There lies the hypocrisy of ELO hell. Only positive is given to the person while all negative is deflected away. Negativity that affect the person is given 10 times more weight than negativity that doesn't. A win streak is deserved because their skill and effort. A loss streak is Riot fixing the matches against you. I mean we havent even touched on how ELO hell is **_mathematically_** impossible either. It is literally not possible for games to be "fixed" to keep people down
: Going to have to disagree there. You may be thinking of ELO hell as like some black silver pit of dispair where the game always makes people lose. Its not. It is certain brackets of the lower ELO ranking where there is more players than usual who are just bad and don't deserve to be in that position but either got lucky placements,carried, or just dumb luck of several good matchs putting them there while always getting 1 more lucky match after every 2 loses to make sure they don't demote. Those brackets also have more people who may be fine where they're and are trying to troll others. This causes players who pass through those brackets to have to deal with them all and unless they're better than that bracket by several brackets they would end up in a long stream of coin flips that end up decided by which side has more afks or bad players. Is it impossible to get out? No. Can exetremely skilled players breeze through it and not notice it? Yes since they will probably have good enough MMR that they will never get those players on their team regardless of their current bracket. Or they duo'd and got through it quickly. New accounts also don't have this problem since the fresh MMR and lack of games means they can probably skip all of them in placements and get out of silver before they do enough games to find them. Said brackets are Bronze 4 Silver 3-2 Silver to gold placements And Gold 4(this one has more trolls since people see a gold 4 and try to make them demote back to silver) There have even been streamers and LoL youtubers who have went into silver and saw how much of a shit show it was. They only got through it because they were smurfs on high MMR and usually diamond plus players. And someone who is only gold or plat 4 skilled very well could get stuck in silver since they aren't that skilled enough to carry every game to get out. Which is harder than normal because since Season 8 this game became more team oriented and true 1v9s are Rare if not impossible. Most youtube "1v9" is the team acting as meatshields or peeling/aggroing the enemy enough for the smurf to kill them.
No, it's just straight up horse shit. It's just an invention of the human tendency toward self-serving bias. Self-serving bias is an extremely common and well known phenomenon. It is a cognitive bias that people concoct to enhance their self esteem and view themselves in a more favorable manner. It helps explain (at least partially) a lot of human behavior like blatant hypocrisy. People tend to credit success to their own abilities or skill but credit failure to external reasons. The classic "I am good but my team is always shit" ELO hell myth is such a picture perfect example of this. I couldn't think of a better example if I tried tbh. People will also be extremely critical of their allies' mistakes while completely ignoring the mistakes of the enemies. They will focus 99% of their attention on why these clowns on their team are holding them back and completely discredit that the enemies are also making shit tons of mistakes. And, of course, completely ignore their own mistakes Yes, high ELO players obviously think low ELO is a shit show because it's a bunch of unskilled players running around. The key here is that they realize that ***BOTH teams*** are low skilled, not just "my teraqm is bad and holding me back". However, absolutely ZERO of them ever get hardstuck in silver because they are far more ***skilled*** than these players. Note how ***skill*** is the defining factor here, not ***luck***. You discredit your own response by admitting this. They
Aosy (EUW)
: Matchmaking... Broken as per usual.
"ELO hell" is the most common delusion that people use to blame something other then themselves. Doesn't mean it's true. In fact it's not mathematically possible to be true
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