: I'd recommend uploading this to the official reddit page. Just because I feel like your analysis can reach the vast amount of people who arent _in the know_ about lore and more inclined to learn a lot out of this analysis I say this as, at least imo, majority of people who float around SA&S boards are pretty familiar with 90% of the lore and the themes contained in the individual stories. Like I read this post and thought the thematics and whatnot were self-evident. But Reddit contains many more who arent so much "aficionados".
I have already. I post here then link it to r/shyvanamains and r/leagueoflegends https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/ej120n/shyvana_the_winged_beast_analysis/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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Terozu (NA)
: Aurelion isn't connected to the spirit realm. He's a physical being.
He is connected to the Targon region, as are Aphelios and Alune.
Lewanor (NA)
: Swain's Prophecies - Taking a look again at Swain's Interactions
I am pretty sure those siblings are Aphelios and Alune.
LusterCrown (EUNE)
: About the title I suggest: the Vanguard of Demacia PS: that's funny for me that Xin can has armour that looks like true demacian style but Jarvan hasn't?
Jarvan's armor made sense 100 rewrites ago when he went on a long hunting expedition taking down powerful animals. The spikes are trophies from those animals. One of those creatures was the dragon hunting Shyvana. As of current lore that dragon was Yvva, her mother and she is the only creature that Jarvan helped take down. No hunting trip anymore.
: Fact is, she's not in the Lux comics and J4, when talking about marriage, implied that Shyv left the city. If she left Demacia, why would she still wear armor?
Well the way these kinds of stories tend to go, now that Jarvan IV's feelings on magical beings has flipped to the complete opposite of what they used to be, Shyvana will return to save Jarvan IV from himself. In the long term Shyvana will be a part of Demacia. As for armor: Part of character design is using their visuals to tell you who the character is and where they are from. Even if Shyvana doesn't need Demacian armor she might wear it because it visually ties her to Demacia. As for the in-universe reasons it would probably be to fit in with the culture.
: Why is XIN ZHAO a SENESCHAL?
This has also bothered me forever. All of your suggestions would be an acceptable alternative. A different epithet referencing another part of his character would be fine too. We got Might of Demacia, Exemplar of Demacia, Demacia's Wings. Why not Xin Zhao, the Spear of Demacia or Xin Zhao, the Royal Right Hand/Demacia's Right Hand. Although using "hand" in the name might be too similar to Darius, the Hand of Noxus.
ßluę (NA)
: Shyvana has dragon's blood just like Merlin, a magical creature in a place that has little magic/not tolerant of it, and is, in many ways, a representation of the start of J4's forward thinking. Without Merlin, Camelot went into decline like we see Demacia without Shyvana now. Shyvana is Jarvan IV's right hand just as much as Merlin was for Arthur). It is therefore very likely that Shyvana will be a huge problem solver once she returns (like Merlin is a problem solver for Arthur except Merlin did not return). J4 also bears much parallel to Arthur in that J4's rule, though filled with problems, is a rule filled with wise and reliable talents that will aid in the golden age to come. J4 is also kind of like the representation of the start of a new progressive age.
That is my hope. I hope we get a really good reason for Shyvana to be missing from the Lux Comic and a good reason for her to come back, but I'm so against her leaving in the first place I don't see how I could be convinced.
: > [{quoted}](name=GreatSirZachary,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=U9VeTR2j,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-12-21T16:47:44.226+0000) > > It is because Shyvana is likely getting a rework in Late S10 or S11 that I am discussing the merits of her story now. Right now Shyvana is not receiving any development, so it is important to make sure we lay out our thoughts and feelings before choices are set in stone behind the scenes. It isn't unusual for even recently updated champion stories to get thrown out with a rework or even just a general revision of a region's characters. When were recently updated stories changed?
So when Demacia was [reintroduced](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxjiCFo0NZM) around the time of Galio's rework being released in 7.2 there was a general overpass of Champion lore, where Lux got her [3rd lore](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Lux#3rd). Thisw as the time Demacia was established as an anti-magic society. In that one she was given an up-to-date lore to bring her in to a world without summoners or the Institute of War and move beyond those little 2 sentence lore descriptions we had for a while in the client. In that lore Lux joins the Illuminators as a secret mage that works in the interest of Demacia. However, that was thrown out. Now Lux is not part of any secret mage group and she seems to only do charity work for the Illuminators.
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ßluę (NA)
: In a way she's kind of like Merlin in that aspect.
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: Maybe, just maybe, Riot is preparing to rework Shyvana so her lore being changed reflects her new place in the Universe? I just don't get how literally every change to anything is first met with "X was better, i don't get why Y is the new X". You don't need to know how the big picture looks like in its entirety before you approve of Riot's changes.
It is because Shyvana is likely getting a rework in Late S10 or S11 that I am discussing the merits of her story now. Right now Shyvana is not receiving any development, so it is important to make sure we lay out our thoughts and feelings before choices are set in stone behind the scenes. It isn't unusual for even recently updated champion stories to get thrown out with a rework or even just a general revision of a region's characters.
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: Shyvana's original lore (after it was sorted), and the AMA by RiotRunaan was far better than her lore rework. It upsets me immeansely to see how they changed the lore. It broke my heart. For me, someone who played shyvana for thousands of games because of her lore, and voice over and relationship to demacia, she died the day they changed her lore. I loved playing Shyvana because her story was like mine, and I could empathize for her and I felt so happy knowing that she had found a home and won her friends in the heat of battle, and that revenge was not the evil thing everyone tries to paint it as. I hate her new lore so much, and there's really no fixing it. This is a fun attempt, but she just needs her old lore back. Where here dad was a dragon, and her mother was a human. Shyvana's lore rework was one of the most unecessary changes ever made to this game.
I can accept Shyvana's mother being a dragon, but it does change Shyvana from half-dragon to a deformed dragon. I did like the idea of a more established relationship between the dragon hunting Shyvana and Shyvana herself. It makes the events more connected than a random dragon deciding they will kill Shyvana on principle. A bit more background on how Dragon society works would be handy. The Foundations team does stuff like that so maybe we will see something like that in the future.
AIQ (NA)
: This is cool, but 2 things first off. >A quick refresher on Shyvana and Jarvan IV. Shyvana was hunted by her mother Yvva, who was disgusted by Shyvana’s half-dragon nature and wants to kill her. This is not true unfortunately. In her current lore Yvva has no motivation for attack Shyvana. It is poorly written, we can imply this from the last lore though. It just says that Shyvana and Yvva maintained a connection Yvva likely used to find the thief. Once Shyvana is found though, there is no mention of how Yvva feels about her just that Shyvana begins running away. Again we can imply that it's because Shyvana is a half dragon due to the last lore, but new readers will be like... @_@? Why is she trying to kill her daughter? Shyvana will likely get retconned again after her rework, and will run into J4 post Sylas, and he probably wont be a prince. Shyvana could probably be what unites Demacia or at least causes it to be more accepting of foreigners, because Xin looks human Shyvana doe... lol. Or As a continuation they could just say, "Shyvana was depressed about the racism" and she ran away or something and Sylas just happened to pick the time that J4 didn't have his back up Dragon lol. Because I find it super hard to believe that Shyvana would stand down when she could probably wipe out that entire Riot solo. Personally, I want Shyvana to be rewritten with her father back, and for her to be implemented into the new Demacia story smoothly and not with this jagged back story. I'd also like the source of her half dragon, my personal vote goes to the thief tries to take Shvyanas egg, but when her FATHER and Yvva fight the thief he uses a Rune (poorly because he's not Ryze) and it explodes puncturing her egg and causing her transformation and being the source of her power. But that's just me having fun with it lol.
>This is not true unfortunately. In her current lore Yvva has no motivation for attack Shyvana. It is poorly written, we can imply this from the last lore though. You are right the 5th (current) version does not explicitly tell us Yvva is disgusted by Shyvana. I discussed the differences between the 4th and 5th versions of her lore here: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/U9VeTR2j-shyvana-analysis-empathy-and-community
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: >for whatever reason Shyvana is missing She's gonna come back and make J4 not racist again. Eventually.
Other than serving that bit of the plot we don’t know why Shyvana isn’t there. It feels bad as a Shyvana fan since for nearly 9 years Shyvana’s story has stopped at joining Jarvan IV’s guards and now when we finally get some story progression in Demacia she isn’t there and we don’t know why. She’s gone before we can see any interactions between them, see what they are like outside of life and death situations.
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: Well. They removed his armor. Taking him from the character with the best designed armor in the game to the worst. His spear and shield are over-designed in ways that would actually hinder its use in combat. He now has a bunch of glowing crap around his head so I can no longer ignore the space crap. So yeah. I hate it. And that’s me done, guys. To Bioluminescence, you are hands down the best spokesperson for a company I’ve ever had the pleasure of interacting with. Keep being the positive map loving influence you are. To Ralanr working with you was great. Keep being awesome man. To everyone else, I sincerely hope you continue to enjoy the game. Peace out.
> [{quoted}](name=Warlord Dienekes,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=WGzO6lAz,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-29T15:36:04.875+0000) > > Well. They removed his armor. Taking him from the character with the best designed armor in the game to the worst. His spear and shield are over-designed in ways that would actually hinder its use in combat. He now has a bunch of glowing crap around his head so I can no longer ignore the space crap. > > So yeah. I hate it. > > And that’s me done, guys. > > To Bioluminescence, you are hands down the best spokesperson for a company I’ve ever had the pleasure of interacting with. Keep being the positive map loving influence you are. > > To Ralanr working with you was great. Keep being awesome man. > > To everyone else, I sincerely hope you continue to enjoy the game. > > Peace out. That's a shame. I really hoped the new lore would convince you. I have been lurking during your arguments for a better Pantheon and better character design, but never had anything to add. I main Shyvana so from one neglected main to another, good luck. EDIT: Especially since I honestly believe him being on "team humanity" and not team darkin or team aspect was influenced by your advocacy for a common man fighter.
: Upcoming Bounty Changes
I do not understand why use indirect things such as kills or CS since last death to determine bounties. Why not have bounties accumulate based on the gold difference to your counterpart on the other team. If I am top lane and I have a gold advantage over the enemy top laner I should get a bounty. I should NOT get a bounty if I died, farmed, but have not yet gained a gold advantage over my opponent. Snowballing snowballs itself. That is to say, getting a gold advantage makes it more likely that I will get an even greater gold lead. You don't need to throw bounties on players at a gold disadvantage, it is like double dipping the snowball. I kill you so I get kill gold, you're dead so you are not farming until you respawn, AND you had a bounty so now my gold advantage is a few hundred better than it would have been otherwise. I can understand that systems like this are in place to encourage players to play better, but do not forget that playing better on its own rewards you with more wins.
Gixia (NA)
: [So, somewhat good news.](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1105258312365297664) According to Scathlocke, they _might_ change Shyvana's bio, which means there's the chance it can still be fixed to restore her origin. Bad news is it wouldn't happen til May or June at the very earliest. It's not the concrete confirmation of 'yes, we will definitely fix this' that I want, but it's better than the reverse and gives me hope at least that Shyv's history might still be preserved. In the meantime, I'm certain some new outrage will come along, and people will move on from Shyv to whatever the new community outrage target of the day is (afterall, we'll probably have gotten Morde's rework by then), but still, to anyone who cares, don't forget about this. Whether you care about Shyvana's lore specifically, or trying to keep League's lore consistent in general, keep this moment in your minds, wait a couple months to see if possible changes arise, and get ready to get some pitchforks out if they don't. Don't settle for sub-par results. Demand better at every opportunity.
Ah! Finally some news on it. I was worried Scathlocke might have forgotten. Can't say I totally blame him for not being specific in a twitter post. Don't want to throw anyone at the workplace under the bus.
: Shyvana's new Bio is not only a downgrade of a decent piece of lore, but it's LITERALLY a mistake...
: > [{quoted}](name=GreatSirZachary,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=NN16QyIy,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-03-06T23:34:41.497+0000) > > Alright then, new problem. If the bio we got is a slightly revised version of a bio we were always supposed to have when Galio was reworked it still means that without the mistake we would have an inferior bio 2 years ago. A bio with Shyvana's mother having no given motivation, Shyvana being a half-dragon for no reason (or a few paper thin reasons), not spending time traveling with her father as they fled from a dragon looking to kill Shyvana (a staple of her story since the start), not having her fathered killed while trying to save her. This last one is important because Shyvana follows in his foot steps of a self-sacrificing defender by becoming Jarvan IV's guard. By choosing compassion and empathy. I think the implication was that the decision to remove Shyvana's Dragon Father was what we were suppose to see 2 years ago, it seems that everything else Goulding saw still applied somewhat to the Bio WE got. It's just such a disaster trying to discuss a Bio we love being removed, when the Rioter in question has never seen this bio until now...
It has been 24 hours now. As far as I can see there hasn't been a follow up response.
: > Scathelocke claiming that someone not on the narrative team for some reason updated Varus' lore and wrote a flavor story without their acknowledgment. Wait what?>?{{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
: Shyvana's new Bio is not only a downgrade of a decent piece of lore, but it's LITERALLY a mistake...
Alright then, new problem. If the bio we got is a slightly revised version of a bio we were always supposed to have when Galio was reworked it still means that without the mistake we would have an inferior bio 2 years ago. A bio with Shyvana's mother having no given motivation, Shyvana being a half-dragon for no reason (or a few paper thin reasons), not spending time traveling with her father as they fled from a dragon looking to kill Shyvana (a staple of her story since the start), not having her father killed while trying to save her. This last one is important because Shyvana follows in his foot steps of a self-sacrificing defender by becoming Jarvan IV's guard. By choosing compassion and empathy.
: **Can someone please explain to me, or link me to a comparison of, what her lore was before and what changes ppl are specifically mad about now!?** I'm newish to the game, and even more new to the lore, so I never got to see the old lore about her before it was changed. Thanks!! <3 > [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=zZyiA08E,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-05T21:24:35.288+0000) > > Riot mentioned having a non-humanoid champion in production and this new version of Shyvanas lore mentions that she actually has a sibling(as it said that Yvva waited for her other offspring to leave the nest until she began hunting Shyvana). > > Coincidence?I think not! > > > Granted this does not justify the removal of dragon dad. Yeah this sounds like something companies do when they have a new hero/champ coming out.....so that's probably why, but figuring out the why doesn't satisfy those who think it was a really bad change.
You can find the lore here: https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Shyvana The 4th version was the older, better one. You can even look at version from even further back.
: Why was Shyvana changed? Can we get a real answer?
I am glad to see the outpouring of support. Sometimes it feels like you're the only Shyvana fan.
: This change to Shyvana's lore is a complete and utter disappointment, and here's why...
I said it once and I'll say it again. Straight up downgrade from what we had. The near end even goes to outright say Demacia has a conflict between its anti-magic ideology and its altruistic. Respect the reader's intelligence. Demacia's conflict has already been conveyed through character interactions and thoughts across the stories.
ChunLii (NA)
: Riot has been trying super hard to destroy Shyvana x Jarvan ship lately. First that Neeko flirt line to Shyvana without mentioning Jarvan, then Jarvan’s whole detachment from Shyvana in his own bio (they spent long time in the village together in old lore but in the new lore they never did), then this of course. I don’t understand, Shyvana x Jarvan was never canon but it had potential to be so like why would try to distant them so coldly like this. Let shippers such as me ship without making me feel like shit. And worse it also destroys a platonic relationship in the process.
Doesn't have to be a ship. People can be friends. It is true! Comradery and brotherhood among those who have fought for their lives together is a really real thing and quite natural.
AIQ (NA)
: Shyvanas Story
I am entrenched. I will not settle for a compromised story. Rumor has it might be related to the introduction of a champion (Shyvana's full dragon siblings?) but all that needs is a throwaway line in the old lore about Shyvana's egg being a part of a larger clutch. Done.
: Its such a shame. Every time I think they get it and understand that changing things intelligently is the way to go they come out with a pointless change like this. Like what does this really add to Shyvana? If anything it takes away things she already had. At least this isn't as bad as the Varus stuff. That had several comics and a fancy music video that basically cemented those changes in place. This will just take some text editing. If they wanted to change it, it would be easy.
Yes, I will settle for a ctrl-z on her bio and move on. Until then I will remain disappointed and angry!
: Dragon Dad, You Will Be Missed
I'm not happy. First we lost Shyvana's human mother, instead her egg was tampered with by a mage and that mutated her. Yvva wanted to kill Shyvana and her father wanted to raise Shyvana. Now we got this kidnapper who doesn't have a name, who I don't care about, who dies. Where is Shyvana's father? Where is the time Shyvana's father was killed by her mother? Where is the time she spent trading game in a Demacian town? This is a straight up emotional investment downgrade. They removed the explanation behind Shyvana being a half-dragon. We went from human parent and dragon parent to a mage tampering with her egg to make her a mutant, and THEN to no explanation at all. She was just kidnapped. Screw that guy. He's just a kidnapper. Yvva. What is up with Yvva? She LOST her motivation. First she goes after the stolen egg. Later she feels Shyvana is still out there and goes looking for her. At this point, presumably because she wants her child back. She goes and burns down anything between her and her daughter. I can understand the ire. She burns and kills Shyvana's kidnapper, understandably so. Yvva isn't trying to kill Shyvana for being a mutant here. As far as can be seen, she just wants her daughter back so she can be raised properly, like her other children that left the nest. The scene of the battle between Jarvan, Shyvana, and the Demacians has been downsized. What happened to the petricite building and petricite arrows that helped ground Yvva so Shyvana could fight her? What about the burning power of the fire rune in Shyvana that she dug deep into to draw out power from so she could RIP Yvva's heart out? This was a change for the sake of change that decreased investment in the character and removed side characters that helped with investing the audience. The narrative presented here? I would say I just didn't care about it, but it is worse, because I know there is a better version of this story. I am disappointed. I expect better because it WAS better.
: In addition to the Lux comic, there is also a novella focused more on the whole of Demacia as well that will be releasing in the future.
Ah yes, I had forgotten the novel was coming. Hopefully it has solid writing.
: This sets an interesting precedent. What does Riot do when a champion’s in-game appearance or abilities are no longer canon (due to lore progression)? Does lore freeze in time so as to avoid this? Does Riot rework the champion? Give them a lore-driven skin (will we one day get a King Jarvan IV skin?) Do they start releasing multiple iterations of Champions?
> [{quoted}](name=DarkSoul1994,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=iZE8hnge,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-26T03:20:15.012+0000) > > This sets an interesting precedent. What does Riot do when a champion’s in-game appearance or abilities are no longer canon (due to lore progression)? Does lore freeze in time so as to avoid this? Does Riot rework the champion? Give them a lore-driven skin (will we one day get a King Jarvan IV skin?) Do they start releasing multiple iterations of Champions? I don't think there would be much to do. Champions won't be killed so at the conclusion Sylas somehow escapes and continues to organize rebellion away from Demacia, much like in real history, so he can continue to be who he is. Riot doesn't have long-term arrangements with their voice actors to come whenever they want to update lines. I would not expect Jarvan to get a skin, but it would be cool. Multiple iterations of champions with different abilities will probably never happen. Visual updates are replacements rather than alternatives. Maybe in some future visual update Jarvan will be changed to reflect his new position as king.
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Meddler (NA)
: Direction being kicked around yesterday was increased damage to dragons to buff her as a jungler in particular. Ongoing topic of discussion as to whether that was the best way to go or not for 9.2 though. I'll follow up on scaling off Elder Dragons taken, hadn't realized that wasn't already in, not immediately seeing any reason it shouldn't be regardless of what else we do.
> [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=eNgeL1Rb,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-01-09T16:56:53.722+0000) > > Direction being kicked around yesterday was increased damage to dragons to buff her as a jungler in particular. Ongoing topic of discussion as to whether that was the best way to go or not for 9.2 though. > > I'll follow up on scaling off Elder Dragons taken, hadn't realized that wasn't already in, not immediately seeing any reason it shouldn't be regardless of what else we do. Good to see that you'll look into having her passive work with Elder Dragons killed. However, I would like to point out that Shyvana's passive used to practically be base stats (now she fights to control an objective to get those stats) a long time ago and even longer ago she was a top/jungle champion and not a jungle exclusive. Shyvana's viable roles have narrowed to jungle only (partly enforced by her passive) and she ranks low among those in her role. Being that Shyvana has long had the ability to kill Dragon shortly after spawn (she has to clear the other camps still) and spawn times haven't changed the main outcome is Shyvana will have more health after sneaking first dragon. However, right after Shyvana kills first Dragon the honey fruit spawn or have spawned, allowing her to heal back up. So the results look identical before and after further increasing damage to Dragons. First Dragon buffs are stronger, but as a Shyvana player I care more about getting 2nd Dragon. At 2 dragons Shyvana breaks even with the effective health of her pre-rework human form. You can find the math on that here: https://www.reddit.com/r/shyvanamains/comments/5e27w6/shyvanas_new_passive_because_a_buff_after_2/da9rtj0/ But I find the focus on killing Dragons so she can have a passive to be missing the point of making Shyvana better champion for League of Legends since killing dragon is a tactical goal for every team anyway. Other juggernauts and divers simply get their tankiness boost. Garen's W just works. Warwick's E just works. Thus, they can be tough enough to be juggernauts and divers.
: Honestly really disappointed you guys chose not to go for 4 options in the middle rune stat path row, it's sad champs like {{champion:19}} and {{champion:102}} can't get 18% attack speed at the cost of AD but mages that took precision secondary before can now get 20 AP without really giving up anything. Not having some small amount of % movespeed somewhere in the stat tree was also sad, but I suppose that makes more sense.
Yeah I was excited as a Shyvana player at first, but was disappointed that this results in no change for my early attack speed. And I had just switched to Precision-Inspiration for more attack speed early.
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: Save a mouse, improve right-click-holding
Agreed. I have been fighting with repeated strain injuries and it makes it pretty hard to play the game when your mouse hand hurts after just a few.
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: Summoner Showcase 121
Why not put this on the League Community YouTube channel? I can't fullscreen whatever player you are using.
: [CRASH] [CLIENT] Crashes During Champ Select
I too have experienced the same problem. Getting leave buster for a client crash on top of losing LP is frustrating.
Maikal (NA)
: Tryndamere Died during Ultimate from skirmisher smite - warwick ult.
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