: Just to clarify a few things Morde is no longer a Shadow Isles champion, he's solely from Noxus now. Kindred isn't from teh Shadow Isles either she's the personification of death so shes ALL OVER Runeterra ALL the time from the DAWN of time (so not just a frejord Champ, are up to date on the Lore friend?), unlike the Shadow Isles While Karthus and Thresh are both skeletons now they once WERE human and still have those humanoid forms UNLIKE Hecarim, so the OP is looking for champions that are either NOT humanoid, or are explicitly not human despite having a humanoid form. Karthus and Thresh won't cut it. In terms of Elise her base form is human so i think u can only HALF count her, bc when u think about the Champion Elise she's have both forms and isn't always a spider Also Eve isn't from Demacia her origins are unknown but she was formed around the time of the Runewars meaning her existance predates Demacia's creation
Morde is a shadow Isles champion He is from the same place as Noxus (even tough he predates it) He lives on the Shadow Isles Biding time and power
: Why is URF or AURF the only game mode that gets brought back?
I hate urf but i use to to get the Crying surrender at 15 nubs out of my ranked games. Ranked game quality shoot way up when urf is on and i used the second urf to climb out of bronze into an elo with much less skill than bronze but apparently people luck their way into being higher and surrender but some how get the enemy to surrender more which is how they climb
: Which of the 2 champions who need to be in the VGU list the "most" after Fiddlesticks and Volibear?
Shyvanna Nocturne and Skarner. Mundo can live if they fix tank items to be useful Shyvanna can also get better if Fighters had Items that let them build A decent amount of damage and defense instead of being subpar in both and costing more than almost ever other item in the game.
: Not really sure you can say Kai'Sa is still human. There really is no way anyone could be taken by the void as a child and survive the length of time she did and still be considered human. Look at Malzahar he is not exactly human anymore and he wasn't living in the void for years like Kai'Sa was.
Charmy Bird (EUNE)
: Can we please have a new champion that isn't a human(or a cat)?
: Skarner Rework: Give the Scorpion Poison, and let him DIVE!
Kazekiba (NA)
: ... Yuumi's E has 2 charges. She can burn them back to back, get a third, burn that and have another CD up and burn that. Thats 4 heals in ~0.4 seconds.
bull shit if she has 2 stored and uses 2 that 4 in 5.6 seconds. assuming you have the reaction and mechanical speed of a bot 6 is over 10 seconds Elementary school math. and doesnt account for human error or Input lag
musixxal (EUW)
: urf jhin literally one shotting people
Ahri Baka (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=LordGeovanni,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f1rmXved,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2019-11-02T20:21:38.607+0000) > > So mages cant poke then all in when The enemy is low enough to burst through the tiny 200 hp shield with their easily 500 damage spells lowered to 400 when you factor in average base magic resist and the magic resist you get from the item You don't poke in mid lane , in the current mid lane , it's a meta of all ins , whenever you reach lane , you either all in or get all in-ed , so no , Mages can't all in an assassin with MR.
We dont do this isnt we cant do this. what all in metas your lane is a mage versus a mage 80% of the time mages arent supposed to all in assassins but they sure do have low cooldown spells to poke them out because their spells are longer range than assassins engage.
Done25 (NA)
: Because Riot hates people who play with a locked camera. :>
press y unlock move around press Y again lock and its back
Nawk (NA)
: Why the camera cant be zoomed out more in SR!?
because the specific camera range is a strategic decision as you can't just zoom out to spot ganks.
Audhulma (NA)
: Probably not gonna happen. Jax without shojin's is still Jax. He's an incredibly simplistic and powerful generalist top lane champion, and unless they gut the important elements of his kit or rework him, he's not going to be any less of an incredible generalist champion that succeeds in most scenarios. There's a reason why Hashinshin likes him so much.
> [{quoted}](name=Audhulma,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PpuE8Ibj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-02T03:35:41.818+0000) > > Probably not gonna happen. Jax without shojin's is still Jax. He's an incredibly simplistic and powerful generalist top lane champion, and unless they gut the important elements of his kit or rework him, he's not going to be any less of an incredible generalist champion that succeeds in most scenarios. There's a reason why Hashinshin likes him so much. lmao who has problems with jax without shojin just dont feed into his ramping his counter strikes damage and kite them then bum rush him after his E times out
: After seeing Senna kit and release skin, I will most likely play her..
Getting super overcompensated for having her damage come out at End of her auto attack like most melee auto attacks that arent yasou and riven. The same thing as Jhin getting Over compensated for his auto attack speed being fixed but its fixed to scale as fast as any other adc who builds 2 attack speed items. His reload also disappears after level 13 same as grave's whos reload disapears after stattik shiv.
: Still better than season 5 25% bonus hp tank meta.
> [{quoted}](name=Cronofuge,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=jIl8IeJW,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-11-02T04:00:02.093+0000) > > Still better than season 5 25% bonus hp tank meta. That was on 1 jungle item that Had really bad base hp so that it wasnt Oppressive early and the passive was so it could scale late. People did eventually go to use their lanes to Cope with the mass gutting of tank item hp and stats.
: OPINION: Riot has turned Pyke into a complete mess.
They have several options Gut his ults base damage and and make him have to scale into it. Gut his ults scaling and make it bad past mid game. In exchange he needs to get his short Q aoe back. His W Scales with bonus ad again but less Base speed. His E can can wave clear again. Let his passive work like it did before damage champions shouldnt be able to cry its hard to kill people with the most damage in the game and numerious saftey functions and get them gutted. They can also remove the True damage Exicute from his ult (the part where it outright kills you below a threshhold and doesnt account for resistances or shields) and make it physical damage. its not bad idea or at least let it have to factor in shields
Ahri Baka (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=LightswornLance,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=f1rmXved,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-11-02T18:11:44.975+0000) > > If you get to say fuck {{item:3155}} I get to say fuck {{item:3191}}. P.S. They do effectively the same thing except seekers armguard is 200 gold less because mage items. The thing is , you can say fuck {{item:3191}} , but {{item:3191}} does not make a mage immortal ,they will reduce the damage only , you can still poke then in all. as for {{item:3155}} , a Mage can't do anything they get all in-ed , they can't kill the enemy because Assassins are better at all ins , and Unlike assassins , Mages need mana , so {{item:3191}} first item really does put them at a disadvatnage , and buying it second item after {{item:3802}} means the enemy enemy assassin will have {{item:3134}} {{item:3133}} or might even complate {{item:3147}} if the enemy assassin got a kill earlier whether it's from the enemy laner ( since the enemy mage only had {{item:3802}} ) or by roaming.
So mages cant poke then all in when The enemy is low enough to burst through the tiny 200 hp shield with their easily 500 damage spells lowered to 400 when you factor in average base magic resist and the magic resist you get from the item
: Are you really complaining about Hexdrinker? Really ? wow dude i got no words
: > [{quoted}](name=KelmirOsue,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ai8TFEU3,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-01T21:39:22.303+0000) > > The reason Thresh isn't a tank is because he can chain, heal, and grab an ally. From what I've seen at least what about ppl who say "well, you build him tanky?" or "he gets armor?"
He is a tank by design. These people just talking azz because the average person playing thresh doesnt actively try to get his souls so they are more squishy than they want to be.
: > [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ai8TFEU3,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-11-02T00:01:50.836+0000) > > heal? He probably meant that Thresh takes Font of Life Rune... Which heals his allies who basic attack a target he CC'd.
by that logic 80% of the marksmen role and mage roles are healers.
: Klepto no longer existing will hit her for sure. Assuming she isn't broken lategame anyway with Lethal Tempo...
> [{quoted}](name=Dingding123,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8BIdOmY4,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-02T17:39:03.265+0000) > > Klepto no longer existing will hit her for sure. Assuming she isn't broken lategame anyway with Lethal Tempo... why dont we assume the sun wont shine ever again too
: My ultimate deals 625 base with a 200% bonus ad ratio. Who am I?
500 base 100% ap ratio 40 second cooldown before Cdr. and ap is easily 3.5 times ad (for adcs and for fighters its 6 times fighters who have worse damage items and have to buy defense) and magic resist is at best 0.6 to armors 1.
: Can Senna have more heals and shields than damage?
She's for marksmen who get stuck in support fill not support mains so she can do shit ton of damage easily. For what she gets she should have a lower base hp pool than unmounted kled but no this shit is gonna hit live doing tons of damage and hard to kill.
Ahri Baka (EUNE)
: Agreed. Mages became really boring to play. especially with how the meta is , especially in mid lane. {{champion:103}} ? boring {{champion:99}} ? few games then gets boring {{champion:1}} ? boring by nature {{champion:69}} ? really sad to play when mid lane is full of champions that counter her , tho she is not boring by design , she is one of the most enjoyable mages , but the meta forces her to be boring {{champion:115}} He sucks in this meta {{champion:50}} Very interesting but Thanks to mobility , his E feels so bad , let's not talk about W. {{champion:30}} he is a jungler now {{champion:163}} with the removal of her Aoe on q , I dropped playing her , she was really one of my favourite champions .. {{champion:143}} ?Ever since her preseason 8 rework , she became so boring {{champion:90}} Brain dead push waves , press R if you can get in range or R flash , boring {{champion:518}} Fun , but dude in mid lane everyone has dashes that you can't even land ult Lol {{champion:4}} Fun , but weak. {{champion:142}} I don't approve of this thing as a Mage. {{champion:61}} Kinda fun in mid game , But I just can't find success with her , Either I suck at playing her or she is just meh , I can't keep up with roams and stuff etc.. My champion pool has changed lately and I mostly play {{champion:157}} {{champion:238}} , Used to play {{champion:91}} but kinda dropped him for some reason. My name has Ahri literally in it but I don't even play her that much , even in Urf , Played her 1 game out of 80 games , and my second main Lux , didn't play her for a long time , completely dropped her. PS : FUCK {{item:3155}} another PS : Boring does not equal weak.
fuk {{item:3155}} aka. I cant Keep a puny damage specific shield In mind. Everyone mid lane has dashes so you cant land ult. Looks at the entire list like those sure look like mid laners to me but i may be mistaken.
: Mage class lacking mechanical diversity/versatility
His w is hard to hit not his Q. Mages do tons of upfront damage and they completely buff out the downtime that used to come with that.
: Because its for dueling.
> [{quoted}](name=Weiner the Pooh,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GFwxGJlr,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-11-02T00:18:55.270+0000) > > Because its for dueling. Its for countering a Specific CC spell According to when they released it. Its a spell they gave her so she can say 'Hey! Hey you tank! Fuck you!' to go with all her other spells that do that ending up all 5 of them spells. then in all the run over it slows, Does a large amount of damage (but that parts okay) Slows attack speed, Negates damage Negates displacements.
: "Oh no we made Blitz too strong with the hook buff! How do we fix it?"
Blitz wasn't not strong (in that he didnt need the hook range increase) they just fucked him by removing his ranged ult passive so he loses out on damage when engaging as a tank/ fighter not just fishing for hooks. Which is already not a popular playstyle for blitzcrank even though its decently relevant if your allies arent brain dead and back you up instead of letting you run ahead alone and when you get close enough to cut your hook range in half making it 30% easier to hit but you dont have the damage to do anything because your allies sat back then they flame you for running in alone as if your job isnt to start the fight and their job isnt to be near enough to react to the start of the fight. the nerfed his ult to require auto attacks and didnt buff the damage or frequency feeding into the bad blitzcrank play of blowing your load as soon as you start fighting.
: So Afk/Dc matches are over the top? or am i the only one...(for self)
Riots Launcher is Garbage that takes at least 4 min and average internet. you get 5 minutes to get back into the game but the game can be over b 3 mins because of early surrender
: How to make Ornn popular
: Victorious Aatrox looks like GARBAGE
Not a female adc Mage or Jhin Yasou or Ezreal what did you expect.
: What was unique about old morde? You just pressed attack-move and facerolled your keyboard until you hear someone get a shutdown, which depends entirely on who bought boots first. Lots of champs can do that still with an equal lack of interaction, mechanics, ect: {{champion:36}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:48}}
You seem to have forgotten the entire adc roster. Trundle relies on Running around the enemy for superior positioning while using the pillar to bounce them to help that. If mundo doesnt have any interactive mechanics with his cleaver then either does champions like Xerath or brand.
: champs like old morde?
Old morde had lit no downtime on his busted Q damage.
: So can we get back scaling / late game / slower paced meta?
At rito games we want to rotate meta's 7 years ago turning on the fast meta.
Comentários de Rioters
: Blue Essence needs a rework in how its gained
I agree if i didnt already have these champions and rune pages id probally drop it like palidins
8Belthazor8 (EUNE)
: Kled's been S+ tier with 52-53% win rates in every elo for 7 patches now
Kled is too Strong?..... Yeah Kled is 0 risk?..... I want some of that Dank kush you smoking.
Benlolo (NA)
: New Ornn skin when?
Inb4 people comming saying that creating skins for monsters is hard and not worth it if its not skins on females with lots of missing or skin tight cloth. (exception being that one little girl and her monsterious bear gets lots of Skins that are also really well done unlike skins for other mysterious champions)
: "Oppressive" lmao.
Every single one of these items are oppressive they are just deemed as the acceptable type of oppressive so they are called Core instead forgot {{item:3142}} and {{item:3147}}. though they are getting gutted in the Pre season patch i wouldnt do that to them
: Switch to Borderless Fullscreen
Same thing Happens when doing this but it doesnt happen alt tabbing when you normally play boarderless but who wants to play boarderless
: So you clearly haven't been playing for seasons apparently. Like the last time Irelia was op this season there were so many post about her being able to go full tank. Like garen,darius and renekton all build 2 or 3 ad item then full tank. Actually most top laners do that. Fiora in some cases does that. Like go and actually play the game.
By op this season you mean in a decent place last season. No Fighter player wants to build defensive items they just have to because they will be instagibbed. They still are for the most part when they build defensive items some times they get to run away and recall to base.
: > [{quoted}](name=LordGeovanni,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JEu1jB4O,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2019-10-23T08:53:20.712+0000) > > You misunderstand He means a hp item that gains more hp off of how much mana you have built (if you hear tear item think based on how much mana you have built/ mana pool) vlad can only get value from the base hp the mana passive would be useless. Pretty sure someone tried tear on mana-less champs before and the stacks still apply. And once the stacks hit 750 he gets a huge power spike because of his passive.
Unless something changed in the last 3 months manaless chapions cant stack tear items. Tear items stack by using spells that cost mana. Which is Why Making Kassidin's W cost 1 mana was a massive buff to Kassidin when before it didnt cost mana because it was a spell that let kassidin regain his mana. Even if Mana Less champions could stack tear items they still wouldnt benifit from it because the item gives Champions stats based on their mana pools (which they have none of ) not how much mana they have built
: That's what I liked about nexus blitz. You could just have fun building the trap items. Bring back nexus blitz and add ionic spark to it :( Although I am not fond of it, I can see why riot removes items. People still build duskblade on Ez in aram because it's in his recommended. You see zeal rush sivirs, lux is pointed towards tear rather than ludens. Apparently if people are given the option to buy dumb stuff under the idea that it might be good, they just build it.
I cant fathom why id ever go {{item:3285}} on Lux Nothing lives through her damage combo and she only has mana problems because her cooldowns are so dam low. having a massive mana pool and a broken amount of refund on the item while its the Third biggest ap item in the game assuming you have mana pool Is really good for her. By your logic you should delete everything that isnt the literal best items in the game and lock anything that isnt optimal for characters. Choice matters. Both what is strong and what style of game you want or find works or is best to play. riot seems to have forgotten that and only focuses on the Esports or caitering to mage and adc mains because they buy the most skins (because riot both giga buffs those champion their items and works more diligently making their skins better quality.)
: > [{quoted}](name=Starcraft243ver,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NR5ugnNG,comment-id=00010004000100000001,timestamp=2019-10-24T08:26:46.975+0000) > > Demolish allow someone to destroy towers faster. > Spells working on tower do. > Zzrot is literraly : i'll drop this here and go play at the other end of the map How is ZZ'Rot not interactive? You literally have to interact with it to get rid of it, and it cannot push on its own without someone there keeping enemy minions from killing the voidlings. Skirmishes even happen around it sometimes as a result.
I cant get my allies to play around Zzrots for shit. But then again they then reveal themselevs to think their respawing life is worth more than a tower too.
: Demolish allow someone to destroy towers faster. Spells working on tower do. Zzrot is literraly : i'll drop this here and go play at the other end of the map
Woops enemy dropped this here and went to the other side of the map how about i dont ignore it and clear it out then go else were on the map too its only 5 auto attacks and you can be there before the enemy drops it by knowing what they build want to do and looking at wave postions.
Saezio (EUNE)
: Zz'Rot + banner combo was causing too many problems.
The Once every 180 seconds you get one empowered minion and voidlings that steadily attack towers combo certainty was causing TOO many problems. walking up a lane where the entire enemy team can see you clearing them minions to slowy get to their tower.
: not really, it was a minor annoyance at best. You either auto attacked them until they died (which would take a while) or you pinged for an auto-attacker or true damage dealer to handle it {{champion:157}} and his wind wall are an example of unhealthy. Big difference between mildly annoying and "oh come on, not again" Mages were known for their waveclear (which marksmen, assassins, auto attackers and specialists have come to match or exceed anyway) and so, it gave you ONE minion to deal with Checks and balances are healthy. You sacrifice mid to late game gold to have a tool to use against magic damage champions and it can provide a minor split push bonus that will just get eaten by a tower in one or two additional shots and then you have what Riot seems to insist on making lately, "overtuned and under-specialized" Compare Blitzcrank and Pyke. Blitzcrank has his hook and only his hook (which they buffed in the most drastic of ways) and pyke is a champion that can turn 375 gold into 975 gold if luck/teamwork allows it, can turn invisible, has a hook, has a close range bonus damage, regens up to 60% of all damage taken at a time (which is not affected by {{summoner:14}} for some reason) here is the work that they did on the item: patch 8.11 changed effect to 70% reduced damage (though the wiki says only from champions) ; changed to show promoted minion as a larger icon on the minimap...why...just why ; #oh, here's a MASSIVE ONE : promoted minion deals 100% bonus damage to turrets patch 8.12 : reduced resistances to 40% patch 8.13 : removed The new balance teams makes a mockery of all the work that the original put into the game #THEY BUFFED THE ITEM TO RIDICULOUS PROPORTIONS AND THEN SAID "WELP, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING, BYE BYE!" in the span of one month...they destroyed and deleted a fun and well-known item funny thing, it was never documented ANYWHERE that minion damage was doubled against turrets, it just suddenly showed up in 8.11, which I suspect is also when the effect came to exist... https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Banner_of_Command
I still dont consider Yasou's Wind wall Unhealthy every other thing in his kit is far more unhealthy than i Counter Ranged champions for short period of time the only thing unhealthy about yasou's windwall is that he can block things that have already visually hit him instantly maybe if it had a short set up delay and the thing visually hit him during the lets say 1.25 seconds it took to set up the wind wall that would be more acceptable but riot doesnt want to tell CT that his champions needs to also be able to be beat and not just by virtue of the players overestimating their own strength.
: Version 1 rendered it practically unkillable to mages. The entire concept of "make a single minion virtually unkillable every couple minutes" was unhealthy.
Or you could not be brain dead clear all the enemy minion wave except that 1 minion then your minions would pelt it down like the dirty peasant it is and you last hit it with your auto
: No, I was saying that they were kept weak because if they were good, than they became overbearing. I remember when fucking Darius was building Banner of Command, two or more folk a game building it.
Yet These items can be built every game because 'CORE ITEMS' {{item:3071}} {{item:3508}} {{item:3124}} {{item:3152}} {{item:3031}} {{item:3153}} {{item:3165}} {{item:3094}} {{item:3085}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3285}} {{item:3087}} while being 3 times as oppressive as Banner of command or zzrots ever was. Maybe just 2 times for {{item:3094}} and{{item:3152}}
: I don't think it's about having shit stats but that they're uninteractive on the accoutn of the actives on them result in essentially spawning a new element into the game that was never there to begin with. Blue team builds banner of command: suddenly that BoC'd minion acts as a 6th man split pusher that normally would have been a role delegated to someone with Teleport. But since they didn't need to split push because of BoC, there's not reason to spend Teleport. Zz'Rot Portal does the same thing to a limited extent, adding what is ultimately a 6th CPU player that mindelessly pushes a lane while you and your active team members can congregate somewhere else. Unlike Zhonya's is uninteractive in the manner that it requires immediate threat of damage, death, or an enemy unit. The former 2 items you just need to activate and wait until everything is in place. And unlike Heimerdinger's turrets or Zyra's plants, they don't take as long to time out or require champion presence to remain active. Once the actives are spent the units, Void Spawns or BoC'd minions are completely autonomous.
Banner of command minions are no where near the power of a 6th champion if you cant monitor waves youd lose towers anyway to anyone who knows wave manipulation and Super minions exist already in the game so both parts of Banner of command do already exist. Zzrots is not mindless its a strategically placed portal that spawns minions that help push lanes. with any proper knowledge of how fast minions push or wards and proper rotation for those that put it down and leave you can be there right after zzrots is put down destroy it and dont have to worry about it for a very long time. They both add damage to tower taking which is already done by building ad or ap just that the people who build banner of command or Zzrots cant usually opt into ad or ap and so they only get these windowed opportunities to slightly augment their lane pushing or tower taking and it doesnt help their damage in fights. Or logic is akin to saying Rabadons Death Cap % increases all hp you get nothing else functions like this so it should exist Infinity edge % increases your Crit damage. Crit is already a % increase on your auto attack and nothing else does that they should exist. Gargoyles stone plate requires enemies to be around to even get decent stats it shouldn't exist Obviously different things will function differently. Zyra and Heimer's turrents dont have the down time of ZZrots or banner of command they are siginificantly harder to kill and they do massive burst while constatly out putting that burst. Being able to do damage makes them able to defend themselves and anything around them.
: The reason Riot kept them shit is because they would be fucking OP if not shit. If Ohmwrecker weren't shit you can bet your ass it'd be S-tier 24/7
Compared to other items that are also shit like current defensive items yeah. Most current defensive items need buffs efficiency wise not gold cost wise or mana wise those dont help. They are hurting there too but those are the most relevant parts. In older season Ohm Wrecker was better stat wise but it was still a bad item Because you could just have a tank tank the tower. the only reason to buy it is when dps players cant take a hint and need a big visual push to help the realize what needs to be done. Ohm wrecker would be S tier in Solo que just like Damage champions with mobility and CC because you could punish people who play selfishly same with ZZrot's punishing people who dont rotate well which is why people dont like it because it punishes people who aram after first tower goes down assuming the person who builds it knows how to place it (and was intending on going it in the first place running ingenious hunter.)
: Ohmwrecker needs to be reworked, not removed. Its a Named item
it needs to not have shit stats. in an already shitty meta where top defensive items are considered shit who can spare a slot for ohm wrecker? I still go it last items when im going my {{item:3512}} ingenious hunter build but no one ever follows up on it because damage carries take forever to follow up on front line engages and position themselves wholly too far to get to doing damage when the engage comes out.
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