Comentários de Rioters
Unker139 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Matchmakinsux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZP1bER0w,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-31T21:10:36.308+0000) > > i loosely disguised it by saying dont think of it as riot....ok > > im literally asking what they would do in that situation, just because you feel the need to defend riot and make it about them still begs the question what they would do in the given situation > > good dodge though You are getting downvoted because you are presenting your opinion as fact and throwing things out that make no sense. Do you really believe they ignore 99.9% feedback because they don't react to all of it? I have 4 friends that also play league and I am the only one who comes to these boards. Their opinions are different than mine so I don't even speak for them here. Do you really believe that 1 on 1000 players actually like the game and they only listen to those people? Where did you get your stats. I can't think of one case where riot has blatantly lied to my face. They post updates regularly and explain them even if don't agree with them.
> [{quoted}](name=Unker139,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZP1bER0w,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-31T21:28:36.674+0000) > > You are getting downvoted because you are presenting your opinion as fact and throwing things out that make no sense. > > Do you really believe they ignore 99.9% feedback because they don't react to all of it? I have 4 friends that also play league and I am the only one who comes to these boards. Their opinions are different than mine so I don't even speak for them here. > > Do you really believe that 1 on 1000 players actually like the game and they only listen to those people? Where did you get your stats. > > I can't think of one case where riot has blatantly lied to my face. They post updates regularly and explain them even if don't agree with them. again, you guys twist words around so much i ask WHAT WOULD YOU DO GIVEN THE SITUATION how is that so hard to comprehend? and btw to answer your questions (without assuming things) no i believe they react to a very small percentage of things and weigh heavily on things, esp if its things like keeping a champ strong for the sake of skins for instance. To underline it though, do i think they dont react to an overwhelming majority of feedback (not on a given subject) then the answer would be no. Thats as easy as pointing to basic things though, take dynamic que for example...how many people hated it, and how long did it take for them to remove it? oh and btw, the ladder is still feeling effects from that+positional ques nonsense if your taking the 99.9% seriously to the decimal point, there is something wrong with you though, it was more a figure of speech and im sure you knew that but decided to assume and act like a ***** anyway and you really cant think of one lie riot made to your face? seriously? then its a matter of you not paying attention and acting like you did. Case and point RGM's, but lets be honest if i give you one example it wont be enough, how many do you want? and if youre talking about updates as the patches with patchnotes, have you ever watched any pro at the game read them? tell me, how many of them think it fixes the problems vs creates more/doesnt address any of the glaring ones? again, hold your bias to the side, if you take this much offense to a what would you do question, then youre super defensive and i wonder why?
: > [{quoted}](name=Matchmakinsux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZP1bER0w,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-31T19:40:32.991+0000) > > downvoted for asking what you would do in a given situation > > boards never let me down using the logic lol What is the point of this post then? Because clearly, a good portion of the silent majority don't feel this way about the game. If u get invited, attend a Riot lab for once, these events seem to be the primary source of their feedback. Out of a random group of players you'll find that majority are fine with the game state. Yea we give them complaints about things here and there. but only 2 out of 20 truly disliked where the game was headed. People who are upset speak up, people who are content with the current state generally stay silent, that's the only reason why it always seems like the community hates the balancing.
> [{quoted}](name=skills of luck,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZP1bER0w,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-07-31T19:56:46.735+0000) > > What is the point of this post then? Because clearly, a good portion of the silent majority don't feel this way about the game. If u get invited, attend a Riot lab for once, these events seem to be the primary source of their feedback. Out of a random group of players you'll find that majority are fine with the game state. Yea we give them complaints about things here and there. but only 2 out of 20 truly disliked where the game was headed. > People who are upset speak up, people who are content with the current state generally stay silent, that's the only reason why it always seems like the community hates the balancing. again, making it about riot....asking what would be done given the situation, good way to make it about riot in general. if youre saying riot makes good decisions more than bad id have to disagree though id also disagree more people are fine with the gamestate in comparison to almost any other season we do give them complaints, and praises, thats the nature of feedback in general if you think only 2/20 dont like where its going or has been going, again id have to super disagree with you but again, its a simple question, and if you cant sit your bias aside to answer the actual question then what are you even trying to accomplish exactly? defensive much?
Dynikus (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Matchmakinsux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZP1bER0w,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-31T19:40:32.991+0000) > > downvoted for asking what you would do in a given situation > > boards never let me down using the logic lol Your questions aren't really "what would you do" though? You tried to loosely disguise them that way, but it's ultimately just another "Rito sucks!!! listen to the screaming children!!!!" thread.
> [{quoted}](name=Dynikus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZP1bER0w,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-31T19:46:42.040+0000) > > Your questions aren't really "what would you do" though? You tried to loosely disguise them that way, but it's ultimately just another "Rito sucks!!! listen to the screaming children!!!!" thread. i loosely disguised it by saying dont think of it as riot....ok im literally asking what they would do in that situation, just because you feel the need to defend riot and make it about them still begs the question what they would do in the given situation good dodge though
: Can't imagine the state of the game if Riot listened to community...
> [{quoted}](name=CrazyMonkeyCZ,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZP1bER0w,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-31T19:41:30.410+0000) > > Can't imagine the state of the game if Riot listened to community... right, pleasing a customer is the wrong thing to do followed by your assuming listening to the bad ideas and not the good? guess we should stop doing things because some people have bad ideas... otherwise im not sure what youre saying but so far what you said seems to be all bad
: @riot, dont feel guilty, im curious what you would do
downvoted for asking what you would do in a given situation boards never let me down using the logic lol
Comentários de Rioters
: play alot try your best
> [{quoted}](name=TheBrothersGrymm,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=0017,timestamp=2019-07-31T04:08:47.380+0000) > > play alot try your best useless
: Honestly, you have to hard carry every game. That's the only way. For example, I was up for Gold 1 promos last week, and now I just got demoted to Gold 4. Why? Because I play fill every game and that means I get support most of the time. And even if you do get a role other than support, your team is almost always going to have at least 2 feeders on it. As an example, here's the last 5 games in the slide that took me from Gold 2 to Gold 4 Game 1: Loss Me - Garen Top, 4-3-3 My team - 1/9/5, 3/7/5, 2/6/4, 6/6/4 Game 2: Loss Me - Lulu Support, 0-2-4 Team - 1/7/3, 1/5/7, 5/3/4, 4/5/0 Game 3: Loss Me - Garen Top, 8-3-11 Team - 5/8/6, 8/7/6, 7/10/8, 2/10/19 Game 4: Loss Me - Malphite Top, 2-2-8 Team - 9/11/5, 4/12/3, 9/9/8, 2/10/13 Game 5: Me - Amumu Jungle, 5-11-10 Team - 4/8/7, 10/7/15, 6/2/14, 7/3/15 My average KDA: 5/4.2/7.2, for an average ratio of **3.0** My team KDA: 4.75/7.25/7.55, for an average ratio of **1.69** As you can see, my teams do far worse than I do on average. The only way to combat that is to hard carry each and every game and recognize that even being better than your team, on average, is not enough. It's not enough to just be good, you have to dominate every game if you want to climb regularly
> [{quoted}](name=Ginger976,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2019-07-30T01:29:49.846+0000) > > Honestly, you have to hard carry every game. That's the only way. For example, I was up for Gold 1 promos last week, and now I just got demoted to Gold 4. Why? Because I play fill every game and that means I get support most of the time. And even if you do get a role other than support, your team is almost always going to have at least 2 feeders on it. As an example, here's the last 5 games in the slide that took me from Gold 2 to Gold 4 > > Game 1: Loss > Me - Garen Top, 4-3-3 > My team - 1/9/5, 3/7/5, 2/6/4, 6/6/4 > > Game 2: Loss > Me - Lulu Support, 0-2-4 > Team - 1/7/3, 1/5/7, 5/3/4, 4/5/0 > > Game 3: Loss > Me - Garen Top, 8-3-11 > Team - 5/8/6, 8/7/6, 7/10/8, 2/10/19 > > Game 4: Loss > Me - Malphite Top, 2-2-8 > Team - 9/11/5, 4/12/3, 9/9/8, 2/10/13 > > Game 5: > Me - Amumu Jungle, 5-11-10 > Team - 4/8/7, 10/7/15, 6/2/14, 7/3/15 > > My average KDA: 5/4.2/7.2, for an average ratio of **3.0** > My team KDA: 4.75/7.25/7.55, for an average ratio of **1.69** > > As you can see, my teams do far worse than I do on average. The only way to combat that is to hard carry each and every game and recognize that even being better than your team, on average, is not enough. It's not enough to just be good, you have to dominate every game if you want to climb regularly as opposed to making a matchmaker that works? btw, there is a huge difference from someone playing badly or making mistakes....than people taking says ziggs support and csing all game, or hard inting, or doing the opposite of what other people are asking or pinging (like running into 5 people alone despite people pinging you missing and careful all the way to their 11th death the fact you have to hard carry 4 others as opposed to making a matchmaking system that doesnt suck is.....well worse than sad considering this company has made billions with a B....and plural
: > [{quoted}](name=Matchmakinsux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2019-07-29T21:14:21.631+0000) > > how tall is the person that raised you? > wondering from how far you fell on the noggin is all You asked a question adding a serious tag and then reply to every serious reply with "i don't agree and here's why its not my fault." I just gave you the meme answer that the boards want. It is all riots fault. Pick you poison. Matchmaking, balancing, tencent wanting cash. Just make a complain thread like everyone else if you don't want to listen to the real advice other give.
> [{quoted}](name=JakeParkbench,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000b00000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T22:50:24.368+0000) > > You asked a question adding a serious tag and then reply to every serious reply with "i don't agree and here's why its not my fault." > > I just gave you the meme answer that the boards want. > > It is all riots fault. Pick you poison. Matchmaking, balancing, tencent wanting cash. Just make a complain thread like everyone else if you don't want to listen to the real advice other give. you gave the boards what they wanted? a meme? someone has super high thoughts of themselves, but excuse my french oh boards meme warrior of the people
: you play enough games that the matchmaking RNG starts to balance out
> [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2019-07-29T22:36:12.690+0000) > > you play enough games that the matchmaking RNG starts to balance out thats not how chance works bud, just because i have a 50% chance to flip heads or tails doesnt mean ill get tails half and heads the other the fact you think it balances out over time....begs me to question, why do you even think that? please dont say chance/probability because it will just show ignorance to the definition of what that actually means
: > [{quoted}](name=LostInTheDark07,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iq72LrE3,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-31T12:18:32.752+0000) > > On my main account I have 3 games in a row with afkers/rage quitters. In one game those monkeys called team mates refused to remake and guess what we were stomped then in the next match twitch went afk after 0/3 I reported him and no instant feedback nothing. Also those monkeys who refused to remake were reported. > Riot, if one of the teammates is afk since the beginning of the game you should automatically remake the game cause trolls/idots abuse this. At this point they don t even care to win the game in ranked games apparently. Wake up RIOT punish these trolls for real, stop sleeping. You sound toxic.
> [{quoted}](name=Ginger976,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=iq72LrE3,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-31T15:12:46.258+0000) > > You sound toxic. you sound super unhelpful in any way, and annoying your turn
: And the worst part is that there is no mention of something new coming other then ARAM and SR... Like can we have something new after 10 whole years?
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gThAEfkZ,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-07-31T17:28:37.535+0000) > > And the worst part is that there is no mention of something new coming other then ARAM and SR... Like can we have something new after 10 whole years? why produce new things when we can just remove the old things? that riot logic oh btw, remember when they said RGM's would come less often and for longer? aka, dam near removing rgm's and get 1-2 a year for a week (obviously its not something people wants like normal urf or something) but i guess thats what you do when you think people are leaving the game because of urf and not horrible management of the game and a terrible balance team...mixed with some of the worst coders ever kind of makes you wonder how they took such a good thing and squandered it riot....sad =/, im pretty sure non paid volunteers would do 1000% better job at handling the game than anyone at riot, id be my life on it
: > [{quoted}](name=M Dragon14,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HA7REldU,comment-id=000600070000000000000002,timestamp=2019-07-29T20:57:23.196+0000) > > Have you never heard of ethical hacking? Pretty common thing really... You wont get a company to fix an exploit unless you show it off. Riot has had how many years to figure this out? Clearly they dont care. The ethical part ends when he's doing this to other players. Putting out information that came at someone else's expense isn't right. That's not something that should be permissible.
> [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HA7REldU,comment-id=0006000700000000000000020000,timestamp=2019-07-29T21:19:14.726+0000) > > The ethical part ends when he's doing this to other players. Putting out information that came at someone else's expense isn't right. That's not something that should be permissible. think of it like a team game playing for the lategame he has 2 choices, he can A=do nothing, and let his teammate die every game and then lose the game, and every game after like this..or least have a good chance too or B=die with his teammate a round or 2, bring attention to the problem, then not have to deal with the problem there after he chose B you seem to be still choosing A because B makes you look bad even though its more smart and A makes no sense but you do you boo boo, bias kills btw (logic)
: Boards Nation, 4 things: 1. I think we're all in agreement here: intentional feeding should be punished, and the system behind it isn't always up to par with other punishment systems (chat, leaver, or even cheating). 2. There are posts that stay up bringing up a player's match history and complaining about the intentional feeding detection, provided the name is blocked out. This removed post didn't violate that rule, but just an FYI: there are posts up complaining about intentional feeders. 3. The problem with this post isn't that he's complaining about a lackluster intentional feeding system. In my opinion, this player posted their match history for the sole purpose of angering the player base, not informing us that a system doesn't work where it should have (Point 1). 4. I've watched this player's games. There certainly are some questionable behaviors in the game. It may be that they're severely under skilled, tilted, or don't know how to play the game. On the other hand, there were at least some behaviors that were negatively affecting the team, but not really occurring constantly. Based off of their games and this now removed post, it really just seems like they're troll: someone who would post content intended to inflame rather than spark meaningful discussion. So I don't think we should trust that they'd been reported (likely true, but impossible for them to know), or that they'd submitted a ticket on themselves. In short, we will allow posts that critique Riot or Riot's punishment systems, but not when there is malicious intent, such as advocating for rules violations or simply making an inflammatory post.
> [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=HA7REldU,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-07-29T17:43:24.963+0000) > > Boards Nation, > > 4 things: > > 1. I think we're all in agreement here: intentional feeding should be punished, and the system behind it isn't always up to par with other punishment systems (chat, leaver, or even cheating). > > 2. There are posts that stay up bringing up a player's match history and complaining about the intentional feeding detection, provided the name is blocked out. This removed post didn't violate that rule, but just an FYI: there are posts up complaining about intentional feeders. > > 3. The problem with this post isn't that he's complaining about a lackluster intentional feeding system. In my opinion, this player posted their match history for the sole purpose of angering the player base, not informing us that a system doesn't work where it should have (Point 1). > > 4. I've watched this player's games. There certainly are some questionable behaviors in the game. It may be that they're severely under skilled, tilted, or don't know how to play the game. On the other hand, there were at least some behaviors that were negatively affecting the team, but not really occurring constantly. Based off of their games and this now removed post, it really just seems like they're troll: someone who would post content intended to inflame rather than spark meaningful discussion. So I don't think we should trust that they'd been reported (likely true, but impossible for them to know), or that they'd submitted a ticket on themselves. > > In short, we will allow posts that critique Riot or Riot's punishment systems, but not when there is malicious intent, such as advocating for rules violations or simply making an inflammatory post. 1= you say always as if it is good, its not, and MORE OFTEN than not, players go unpunished rather than punished for their trolling,inting,etc 2=the post was to bring more attention to the problem, more attention means a solution might be had. In this particular case its riots action that is needed and has yet to be established. The tribunal was a good way to help ease the burden on any system, esp if you made a BE incentive, it would have the same basic safeguards as before about spamming punish etc etc and have a rating....but the job is solely on riot to curb the problem that has been going on for quite some time that, for lack of better terms, have talked about fixing and yet havent in year.....you may say they fixed it but id debate the word fixed, if it legt through 90% of criminals before and it only lets 85% now, thats not fixed. But again, the post was made to bring attention to people that its not JUST intentional feeders,trolls, etc that is the problem but just as much riot games is the problem. If you make a detection system to detect feeders etc, then make a support CENTER that reads tickets, AND a moderation team on boards.....the fact that this has happened for 30 games, coupled with the fact that in those 30 games the A=detection system failed to catch it, B=the ticket people still didnt catch it after being TOLD!, and C= it took POSTING TO BOARDS to finally get ANY ACTION to happen...guess what that action was? REMOVED. Censorship is a powerful thing and should be taken into high consideration, esp when you do what the other mod did and twist stuff to the 100th degree....lthe arguement legit makes no sense, like if we were talking about a commercial where it shows a guy throw a wrapper out the window then another guy pick it back up and says litering is wrong and to help stop litering and you censor it on under the guise of well he threw liter out of the window and that will embolden people to liter so we removed it.....always conveniently on things that riot is dropping the ball on 3=He is complaining? or shedding light on the situation? his whole post was to help gather attention to get the system to work or to brainstorm a fix.....and what an assumption that is that he is trying to anger the playerbase....really? do you even see the spins you put on what he was talking about? so if anyone says anything factual that people dont like, the only reason is to anger the playerbase.... i dont like that people drive drunk and kill other people esp considering i dont drink, so you can imagine i dont like drinking and driving commercials to remind me of people i know whove died from it do you? but with the same token do you think that their statement was trying to anger me because it did or that i dont want them playing? i do want them on tv to get people to stop, the angering part is that it happens, not because so and so told me it does...is it starting to make sense? 4= youre telling us to assume he is a troll, you realize this right? youre totally disregarding the fact that the player literally trolled, even in your own words said in a few of the games it wasnt just unskilled but also toxic behaviors, your continuing to prove his point how even going through you the system is broken, you dont understand what it is it seems. And the fact it makes you guys angry because it shows incompetence on your guys end doesnt mean we are angry.......you think we are going to be angry at the news guy who tells us we are now at war with somebody, or you going to be mad about the war going on......you guys at riot really need to sit back, take a breath, and get your heads on straight because you guys are getting super wreckless at this point, incompetence wise and shady dictatorship' esk censorship/ignorance to very glaring problems while continuing to say you have it under control and are fixing it while it get progressively worse overall day by day you should save this forum tbh, i bet when you look back long after riot and you read this, the bias and lengths you would go 2 to justify removing this rather than admitting to the glaring problemS and actually fixing them, and you will either be super ashamed or alittle ashamed and laugh at how much youve grown.....im hoping its the latter but tbh at this point i have like -5 hope for riot to do anything logical shame on you though, both of you mods
: Toxicity loses games and you seem like a pretty toxic player tbh. You might wanna try playing a role that has more influence on the early game, like jungle or mid.
> [{quoted}](name=Lanakila Au,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-07-29T21:35:22.927+0000) > > Toxicity loses games and you seem like a pretty toxic player tbh. > > You might wanna try playing a role that has more influence on the early game, like jungle or mid. funny, thats why im chat banned, oh wait im not, because i know better than to talk to people in game you say something positive, they get confident then int and u lose you say something negative, tilt into loss you ask them to do something, they go out of their way to do it your assumtion is false, i seem like a pretty toxic player? why is that? bc i said the other guy was wrong when he clearly was? think you need to learn what the word toxicity actually means all these people using terms they dont fully understand is making my head hurt and btw, i do play mid and jungle, and positions have nothing to do with 3/4 of my teammates being horrible in over half my games...not bad...horrible.... so again, your assumptions are off, try reading or looking into things alil bit before you come off looking dumb
: Can't complain about how hard it is to climb when you AFK on a regular basis. No excuse. You're part of the problem
> [{quoted}](name=ApothNinja,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2019-07-29T21:56:41.670+0000) > > Can't complain about how hard it is to climb when you AFK on a regular basis. No excuse. You're part of the problem obviously didnt read
: Buy more skinz and be big strimmer guy. That way rito gives you the good matching RNG. Don't bother listening to these guys with improving. Clearly pro players are just actors rito pays to be in challenjour.
> [{quoted}](name=JakeParkbench,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-07-29T18:35:06.186+0000) > > Buy more skinz and be big strimmer guy. That way rito gives you the good matching RNG. Don't bother listening to these guys with improving. Clearly pro players are just actors rito pays to be in challenjour. how tall is the person that raised you? wondering from how far you fell on the noggin is all
Dukues (NA)
: I mean yea obviously if you just look game to game ranked will have some luck to it. But the reality is the more skillful you are the higher you will climb just the number of games will change. I think abusing meta picks may be more important now but honestly.... at the same time probably not. Meta champs always been important sadly. The concept of skill > luck is easy to prove in this game though. Challenger/Grandmaster/master/diamond/ etc. players won't get stuck in say silver... because they are just you know that good at the game. Plat/gold will eventually hit gold if that their skill level etc. etc. I do agree about the game feeling shittier to play in solo queue though like you said with how snowball the game is and how much damage there is and how shitty wave clear is. I miss the older seasons as well as you really felt like as an individual you controlled the game compared to now where it feels more team focused. That is why I struggled so much in season 8 because it was the biggest change yet to the current system. I truly do know how you feel as its how I felt last season, and at the beginning of this season. Was just saying the reality of what you have to do to rank up. I didn't even use to mind say like silver in older seasons because you could really just wave clear waves and ignore shitty fights but now that baron = free win and you cant just kill waves of minions and defend turrets solo you are forced to fight shit fights with your monkey ass teammates. It sucks and I hated playing through silver last 2 seasons. But I just stuck with a role, couple champs and grinded through. Duoing honestly helps a lot these days especially in bot lane. I truly hate how strong supports are now. It makes playing adc feel terrible when your support is bad because your lane literally fucked. I miss when adcs could actually like fight 2v1 if you were better than both enemy support and adc. But now you can't because you instant die if you get cc'd for a second. So you are basically at the mercy of your support and hoping they actually can do something. I literally like even have made ranking up a science for myself haha. Like I am a {{champion:90}} mid abuser when he strong and I am at the right elo. But I can't really play him in say like bronze/silver because I can't really 1v9 as him. Takes too long to kill shit with his dots when you have 4 useless teammates, but once you hit mid gold and can kinda actually count on your teammates most games to actually do something he is a lot more useful and what I am currently maining to hit plat. For whatever reason I have had a lot of success with {{champion:22}} adc this season and spamming ashe/jinx adc is what I used to hit gold before switching to mid. I used to main jungle season 6 & 7 but have lost a lot of interest in it last couple of years. But I am more of an old style player like yourself and can play most roles around similar level unlike these new kids who can barley play even 1 fucking role..... Makes mming a nightmare but is what the game has become. I do agree match making is fucking god awful but at the end of the day it always has been shit and always will be and you just have to prove your skill as you will always get some shit teammates and some better teammates. Hopefully it averages out.... never really has for me last two seasons until I got to like mid gold but.... whatever. Shits weird but it is what it is. Honestly you just sound really mad and tilted right now, which I completely get as that's literally how I felt like.... 2 months ago lol. I am not kidding I really like fucking hate playing through silver these days. So many of those games feel so fucking useless. Eventually I just stopped caring so much each game and just spammed what worked for me and eventually started to rank up. But hell I have an alt account in bronze right now and every time I try and relax and fuck around with some weird shit on that account my team always gets stomped like 5-30 lol. Shits so weird somehow my teammates always 5 times worse than their lane opponent I legit would have to play like my best shit to try and 1v9 those games. So dumb. But you do it assuming you good enough and eventually you rank up and get into higher elos.
> [{quoted}](name=Dukues,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000900000001,timestamp=2019-07-29T20:14:06.525+0000) > > I mean yea obviously if you just look game to game ranked will have some luck to it. But the reality is the more skillful you are the higher you will climb just the number of games will change. I think abusing meta picks may be more important now but honestly.... at the same time probably not. Meta champs always been important sadly. The concept of skill > luck is easy to prove in this game though. Challenger/Grandmaster/master/diamond/ etc. players won't get stuck in say silver... because they are just you know that good at the game. Plat/gold will eventually hit gold if that their skill level etc. etc. > > I do agree about the game feeling shittier to play in solo queue though like you said with how snowball the game is and how much damage there is and how shitty wave clear is. I miss the older seasons as well as you really felt like as an individual you controlled the game compared to now where it feels more team focused. That is why I struggled so much in season 8 because it was the biggest change yet to the current system. > > I truly do know how you feel as its how I felt last season, and at the beginning of this season. Was just saying the reality of what you have to do to rank up. I didn't even use to mind say like silver in older seasons because you could really just wave clear waves and ignore shitty fights but now that baron = free win and you cant just kill waves of minions and defend turrets solo you are forced to fight shit fights with your monkey ass teammates. It sucks and I hated playing through silver last 2 seasons. But I just stuck with a role, couple champs and grinded through. Duoing honestly helps a lot these days especially in bot lane. I truly hate how strong supports are now. It makes playing adc feel terrible when your support is bad because your lane literally fucked. I miss when adcs could actually like fight 2v1 if you were better than both enemy support and adc. But now you can't because you instant die if you get cc'd for a second. So you are basically at the mercy of your support and hoping they actually can do something. > > I literally like even have made ranking up a science for myself haha. Like I am a {{champion:90}} mid abuser when he strong and I am at the right elo. But I can't really play him in say like bronze/silver because I can't really 1v9 as him. Takes too long to kill shit with his dots when you have 4 useless teammates, but once you hit mid gold and can kinda actually count on your teammates most games to actually do something he is a lot more useful and what I am currently maining to hit plat. For whatever reason I have had a lot of success with {{champion:22}} adc this season and spamming ashe/jinx adc is what I used to hit gold before switching to mid. I used to main jungle season 6 & 7 but have lost a lot of interest in it last couple of years. But I am more of an old style player like yourself and can play most roles around similar level unlike these new kids who can barley play even 1 fucking role..... Makes mming a nightmare but is what the game has become. > > I do agree match making is fucking god awful but at the end of the day it always has been shit and always will be and you just have to prove your skill as you will always get some shit teammates and some better teammates. Hopefully it averages out.... never really has for me last two seasons until I got to like mid gold but.... whatever. Shits weird but it is what it is. > > Honestly you just sound really mad and tilted right now, which I completely get as that's literally how I felt like.... 2 months ago lol. I am not kidding I really like fucking hate playing through silver these days. So many of those games feel so fucking useless. Eventually I just stopped caring so much each game and just spammed what worked for me and eventually started to rank up. But hell I have an alt account in bronze right now and every time I try and relax and fuck around with some weird shit on that account my team always gets stomped like 5-30 lol. Shits so weird somehow my teammates always 5 times worse than their lane opponent I legit would have to play like my best shit to try and 1v9 those games. So dumb. But you do it assuming you good enough and eventually you rank up and get into higher elos. im sorry i just dont feel the same way you do, at all just about if you looked at game to game and its showing luck, it would show on the big scale also...having it down to luck and not mistakes is gross at any amount and the more of it the worse it is.....you dont look at a basketball team and say matches were on luck in the nba, but granted if i put you with 4 toddlers against kobe lebron etc, you would call that luck...see the difference? the fact you have luck at all is gross...luck should be MAYBE, first 5 games.....not ranked....ever played. the fact the system cant tell that someone who is 20/0 with 300cs at 20mins and loses, is better, than someone who goes 0/20 0cs and wins is horrible by design....this design literally bases everything down to luck of your teammates because the system has no idea how good anyone is as it just goes off wins then you get this cycle of garbage that is soloque where more than half the time your team wins and loses off how bad a single player can be...i just cant agree with you on the luck aspect otherwise i agree with the other stuff on gold people starting to actually play the game, my point is getting there is gross....the whole ladder is gross, they couldnt/cant find a way to track how good you are via stats so they justify throwing new ranked people like halfway up the ladder to begin, now you got everyone who was actually decent* climbing up below to get to a point where it throws in people who have never played into a game with 9 others, or 8 etc, that they had no buisness being in and now that dude has to climb harder even though its mostly the other guys fault coupled with the fact that the new guy gets a break and mmr cuts him a break so he drops even slower...thats not counting getting carried which doubles the problem the matchmaking hasnt always been this awful....it has been bad sure, ive got pictures on my old computer of being in a lobby at lvl 30 vs 4 diamonds and a plat and i was in silver2 with 4 golds.....but even then, you would lose but they werent anything like the games of today....hell even the game was different but they have tweaked matchmaking multiple times and it has been worse everytime...remember dynamic que? mm tweak, positionals? mm tweak, some years bigger or shorter mmr "resets" each year....they literally took out things to hide the fact it was so bad...remember seeing enemy boarders or the ribbons at the top? why do you think they got rid of it.....seriously there is legit no other reason, besides the fact that everyone complained that going against a whole team 2 teirs above your team was bad so they hid it. im mad, but im not tilted in the least...everything ive said is coupled with actual facts, its not a matter of guessing, and ive been gold multiple times, i could care less what my actual rank says tbh, i play for the fun of it and for me, the fun of the game is there when 5 people and fighting 5 people and people make crazy plays or even just normal ones, and of course the mistakes. However, what i dont like is what has been happening. ive literally played about 15 games (not counting the afk ones) and ive won 3....my kda over those games is like 6/3...but in each game 3/4 people on my team are like 0/9-0/11.....each..... couple games here and there, thats fine, but 78% of the time? this is literally the third account this has happened on and it begs the question, how much luck is really involved....answer is a shitton you can say im mad tillyoure blue in the face, youd even be right, but my point is you cant tell me that 78% of the time my teams winrates,cs,kda,skill, any objective stat wasnt lower on my side compared to the enemies...i shouldnt even talk about it in terms of skill disparity, its literally like putting a 5 yr old who doesnt know how to play basketball with a college student.....one person is playing the game and the other person literally isnt...to the point someone is sitting on the sideline chatting and with pings saying put the ball in the hoop and the kid runs out of the building into the woods....its literally the same thing.... i want to lose at the end of the day, so i can figure out what i need to do better, but i dont like losing a 1v5 when my team not even afks, but feeds them to the point they might as well just be running it down while ignoring all the chat and pings i rather be mad and right than oblivious and content i guess, to each his own, but you wont sit here and tell me what i am saying isnt true when there is a plethora of facts at your disposal showing it is, topped with the fact i helped point it out to you so you can check for yourself
hiyares (NA)
: play easy laners that snowball and or scale lke tryn jax pantheon that can roam like crazy then roam lane to lane as much as possible
> [{quoted}](name=hiyares,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-07-29T20:06:52.491+0000) > > play easy laners that snowball and or scale lke tryn jax pantheon that can roam like crazy then roam lane to lane as much as possible i do do that lol, cant roam if they are dead or super ahead tho again super ahead isnt 1-2 kills, im talking 5-8 if i wait till level 6 even last game i just played my udyr gave my opposing enemy laner over 10 kills right in the face of my pings (left me to die while full hp, you should watch the replay, even my team spam pinged him lol) we still won because i went like 8/1 early and our top wasnt great but wasnt bad and our bot was op as they got stuff when their enemies roamed then paid the price the rest of the game to reiterate, matchmaking is garbage. It shouldnt come down to luck of the matchmaking or who got the better champion. If you are going to tell me a company that makes hundreds of millions (has made over a billion total btw) cant make a better matchmaker and this is considered even games, then idk what to tell you honestly... or if you are going to say that the balance team hasnt been doing a horrible job for the past at least 4 years then again, idk what to tell you, at that point i could hold a flashlight in your eyes and youd be like "what light?"
: > [{quoted}](name=Matchmakinsux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=00090000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T19:14:42.171+0000) > > ahh ok so you lied in ur first post when you said you dont, just wanted to be sure > > i dont want to listen to anything i dont want to hear? funny come from the guy who refuses to explain to the guy asking the questions > > funny tho, 3/3 on not explaining it, wonder why you gave up on trying to explain something so stupid I explained on my second post and you chose to ignore everything to deflect about whether or not I played soloq. You're being stubborn and dishonest and that's not the kind of person I want to discuss with. Peace. Edit for clarity for people who read this now: what I quoted on my earlier post was all that he had replied with, he edited his post after I had replied to his reply.
> [{quoted}](name=Technorch,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000900000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T19:19:56.674+0000) > > I explained on my second post and you chose to ignore everything to deflect about whether or not I played soloq. You're being stubborn and dishonest and that's not the kind of person I want to discuss with. Peace. > > Edit for clarity for people who read this now: what I quoted on my earlier post was all that he had replied with, he edited his post after I had replied to his reply. i copied and pasted what u said, it literally wasnt an answer, all ur answer was was "its truth" its truth isnt an explaination bud
: > [{quoted}](name=Matchmakinsux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000900000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T18:53:54.282+0000) > > so now you play soloque? which is it? I just said I had, as recently as last season, but you know what? You obviously won't listen to anything you don't want to hear, so you do you and keep blaming the system and everyone but yourself. Good luck getting to gold again.
> [{quoted}](name=Technorch,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=0009000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T18:57:27.435+0000) > > I just said I had, as recently as last season, but you know what? You obviously won't listen to anything you don't want to hear, so you do you and keep blaming the system and everyone but yourself. Good luck getting to gold again. ahh ok so you lied in ur first post when you said you dont, just wanted to be sure i dont want to listen to anything i dont want to hear? funny coming from the guy who refuses to explain to the guy asking the questions funny tho, 3/3 on not explaining it, wonder why you gave up on trying to explain something so stupid
Dukues (NA)
: Eh so the most honest answer really is improve and focus on yourself. As shitty as it is to hear but it's kind of the reality. But to elaborate more focusing on these things really helped me. 1. Focus on your main role(2). You need to pick 2 roles but hopefully you get your main role most of the time so focus on that. 2. Main like 3 champs in that role. Focus on 3 champs you think you can play in your main role and spam them. After X number of games see how you are doing. If you play like 20 jax games and your win rate stilll like 15% then obviously you really not doing that great on Jax and maybe you can do better with a different champ? I mean it depends on number of games but really need to find like 2-3 champs you really feel comfortable with and spam them. 3. Its a climb.. takes lots of perseverance so get ready to spam a lot of games. It's just the reality of the League ranked system. 4. Try your hardest not to tilt, but when you do take a break. Playing while your tilted makes you play worse even if it doesn't feel like it. Honestly taking a small break even after every game even when you winning can help but if you on a losing streak either take like 30 + min break or like quit ranked for the day. Some days you just get fucked and spamming more games just = more losses. 5. If someone flamming just mute them. Hit Tab and just mute the person or hell mute all. It honestly can help a lot. 6. honestly there are a lot of things to improve on but just focusing on yourself and playing with a clear mind can help a lot. As someone who has played since season 1 I am honestly still very trash at the game. I never really cared about ranked until season 3 where I was placed bronze 4. Yea... I was mad but figured I could hit silver. It took some time but I got there. After that I was stuck in silver until season 6. Even though I had played for years and spammed thousands of games I got to a point where I was hardly improving so I remained stuck. Finally I focused more on myself and improved more and got into mid gold. Which, is where I been chilling since season 6. But now that Riot changed ranked distributions a bit making it easier to hit next tiers I am trying to reach plat as my old skill level used to be roughly gold 2 and literally season 8 gold 2 is now season 9 plat 4 so..... I don't even really have to improve to rank up lol. But yea... I already have like 250 + games played this season but only 51% win rate so it a grind. But my games have been a lot more competitive lately and I been winning a lot so my win rate is actually sky rocketing. Honestly silver/bronze has always been shitty to play through. Sadly now even up to like gold 3 feels really shitty but yea there just so many people in those ranks games are just way less consistent skill wise. Best thing to do is what I said and focus on yourself and learning a role well with 2-3 champs and spamming whatever champs you winning a lot of games on. Ranking up takes a lot of perseverance and mental fortitude. Season 8 was my worst ranked League season. After being gold for 2 seasons I got placed idk mid silver or w/e. But holy hell....I had never had much less than a 50% win rate before season 8. But I found myself stuck in mid silver after even like 100+ games with a fucking 40% win rate.... I was beyond tilted and just pissed at Riot, the game, myself. I took a couple months off and came back. I did what I said above, stuck to a role, same 2-3 champs, chilled out a bit and climbed quick. Went from like 40% win rate to over 50% and up to like gold 4 or w/e before I quit ranked for the season. Because honestly season 8 was cancer and playing it sucked ass. At least season 9 a little better.
> [{quoted}](name=Dukues,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-07-29T17:39:42.133+0000) > > Eh so the most honest answer really is improve and focus on yourself. As shitty as it is to hear but it's kind of the reality. But to elaborate more focusing on these things really helped me. > > 1. Focus on your main role(2). You need to pick 2 roles but hopefully you get your main role most of the time so focus on that. > 2. Main like 3 champs in that role. Focus on 3 champs you think you can play in your main role and spam them. After X number of games see how you are doing. If you play like 20 jax games and your win rate stilll like 15% then obviously you really not doing that great on Jax and maybe you can do better with a different champ? I mean it depends on number of games but really need to find like 2-3 champs you really feel comfortable with and spam them. > 3. Its a climb.. takes lots of perseverance so get ready to spam a lot of games. It's just the reality of the League ranked system. > 4. Try your hardest not to tilt, but when you do take a break. Playing while your tilted makes you play worse even if it doesn't feel like it. Honestly taking a small break even after every game even when you winning can help but if you on a losing streak either take like 30 + min break or like quit ranked for the day. Some days you just get fucked and spamming more games just = more losses. > 5. If someone flamming just mute them. Hit Tab and just mute the person or hell mute all. It honestly can help a lot. > 6. honestly there are a lot of things to improve on but just focusing on yourself and playing with a clear mind can help a lot. > > > As someone who has played since season 1 I am honestly still very trash at the game. I never really cared about ranked until season 3 where I was placed bronze 4. Yea... I was mad but figured I could hit silver. It took some time but I got there. After that I was stuck in silver until season 6. Even though I had played for years and spammed thousands of games I got to a point where I was hardly improving so I remained stuck. Finally I focused more on myself and improved more and got into mid gold. Which, is where I been chilling since season 6. But now that Riot changed ranked distributions a bit making it easier to hit next tiers I am trying to reach plat as my old skill level used to be roughly gold 2 and literally season 8 gold 2 is now season 9 plat 4 so..... I don't even really have to improve to rank up lol. But yea... I already have like 250 + games played this season but only 51% win rate so it a grind. But my games have been a lot more competitive lately and I been winning a lot so my win rate is actually sky rocketing. > > Honestly silver/bronze has always been shitty to play through. Sadly now even up to like gold 3 feels really shitty but yea there just so many people in those ranks games are just way less consistent skill wise. Best thing to do is what I said and focus on yourself and learning a role well with 2-3 champs and spamming whatever champs you winning a lot of games on. Ranking up takes a lot of perseverance and mental fortitude. > > Season 8 was my worst ranked League season. After being gold for 2 seasons I got placed idk mid silver or w/e. But holy hell....I had never had much less than a 50% win rate before season 8. But I found myself stuck in mid silver after even like 100+ games with a fucking 40% win rate.... I was beyond tilted and just pissed at Riot, the game, myself. I took a couple months off and came back. I did what I said above, stuck to a role, same 2-3 champs, chilled out a bit and climbed quick. Went from like 40% win rate to over 50% and up to like gold 4 or w/e before I quit ranked for the season. Because honestly season 8 was cancer and playing it sucked ass. At least season 9 a little better. so you grinded enough games and got lucky with teammates not going 0/10 every game in 3/4 positions per game, congratz man i have also, a couple times underlying problem, still there, still more glaring than ever tho....thanks for all the advice on not tilting but tilting isnt my problem, feeders and terrible matchmaking is hard to tilt when i just up and leave the games where bot is 0/11 at 5mins in....not even joking when i say the leaverbuster isnt even bad....let me ask you, if you lost 9/10 games due to people being this bad on your team constantly let me give you some options A=play it out, have no fun, have 0% chance of comeback, probably listen to flaming and spam pinging, get 0 help from the jungle while being permacamped, get to 1v3 the 11/0 botlane that roamed mid OR B=fk them, leave the game, afk in base, and put in work on another game/mobile or something till its over and try again idk about you, but i never picked B and i stuck out every game.......now that games dont have comebacks, op top of punishing solo players (oh are your teammates feeding grossly and you have a kill or 2? well lets make it harder, here is some shutdown gold!) ill never hesitate to afk again in my life, ill even make new accts tbh, i really dont care my choices are stealy decline, then climb up thru bs for thousands of games to get where i belong or leave a troll games till matchmaking isnt fking me so hard again, B, everytime
: > [{quoted}](name=Matchmakinsux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=0009000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T18:21:44.184+0000) > > you said getting gold4+ doesnt matter, i literally said the whole atmosphere of the game changes right around there > you said if youre hardstuck thats where you belong, if that was the case, how have i hit gold multiple times on multiple accounts over multiple seasons but ive had one account with literally 1000's of games between bronze and silver? either youre wrong or that hasnt happened to me on a couple of accounts > > i mean i get you dont want to be wrong so you point at my name and say im ranting, but the fact remains, if you dont think the game is diff in higher gold than it is in bronze or silver, than idk what to tell you honestly. Its like standing on a cliff looking at a sunset and your buddy looks at you dead serious and says there is no sun > > like i hear you, just what youre saying makes no sense > > under just the term luck, that wouldnt make sense > > you seem to assume alot, you dont play soloque.....but....you know..... > that being hardstuck means you belong there > above gold4 doesnt matter > no point in playing unless youre going to go pro in terms of ranked play > > for someone who doesnt play soloque, why are you here speaking about something you dont play? > or are you going to say flex is the same as soloque? > or are you saying you dont need to play it to know it? I've been sub gold most of my time playing the game because I never cared about getting to gold except in s5, and now I'm mostly playing in gold and above because I got to that mmr with extreme ease. Also, because of the different groups of players I have, I play with bronzes and irons as much as I play with plats and dias. But I see no difference in the players' attitude. It's dumbfounding to me that people act like the difference is so stark. Wanna know how to avoid toxicity? Be the change you want to see. Be nice and positive before someone gets the chance to be toxic. That's how you usually get on people's good side and put them in a nice mood, leading to a better performance from them btw. Also, it's not because I don't bother with soloq this season that I never played it. Going above gold 4 in my opinion doesn't matter because even if you're plat or dia, you'll still get your skin. And aside a border that might look different, you won't get anything else. And if you have a level to get something more out of soloq than this, in other words a level to go pro, then you wouldn't have issues in low elo at all. I only suggested that if you only want to rank up to have a better experience with players, try flex out, if you're good enough it's gonna be a really easy climb because the atmosphere is better and the teams are usually more coordinated.
> [{quoted}](name=Technorch,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=00090000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T18:52:39.426+0000) > > I've been sub gold most of my time playing the game because I never cared about getting to gold except in s5, and now I'm mostly playing in gold and above because I got to that mmr with extreme ease. > Also, because of the different groups of players I have, I play with bronzes and irons as much as I play with plats and dias. > But I see no difference in the players' attitude. It's dumbfounding to me that people act like the difference is so stark. Wanna know how to avoid toxicity? Be the change you want to see. Be nice and positive before someone gets the chance to be toxic. That's how you usually get on people's good side and put them in a nice mood, leading to a better performance from them btw. > > Also, it's not because I don't bother with a q this season that I never played it. > Going above gold 4 in my opinion doesn't matter because even if you're plat or dia, you'll still get your skin. And aside a border that might look different, you won't get anything else. And if you have a level to get something more out of soloq than this, in other words a level to go pro, then you wouldn't have issues in low elo at all. > > I only suggested that if you only want to rank up to have a better experience with players, try flex out, if you're good enough it's gonna be a really easy climb because the atmosphere is better and the teams are usually more coordinated. so now you play soloque? which is it? "i dont play soloque" " Also, it's not because I don't bother with a q this season that I never played it." if you dont play soloque, you dont understand soloque if your playing flex and thinking its the same as soloque, youre wrong your suggestions is my point, if i dont play basketball at courts etc, but i play with just my friends, do you want my advice on how join the nba? do you get where im coming from yet? all your reasons thus far have held no weight dude, your advice was ignore everyone to climb and that stuff like kills dont matter again, all dumb af reasons with no logic behind them the logic is literally the same if we went to a racetrack and everytime i went to race someone pulled up and parked infront of me at the start line.......sure i can ignore him, and his actions, but wut does that achieve exactly? does it change the outcome in any way? seems like if i asked u how to climb, and u give me advice that doesnt help climbing and would actually hinder it further, seems like you need to rethink your logic start to finish.... i feel like you didnt think this out enough, i pretty much know this because you still cant explain the 4 way you told me to climb and how they help more than hurt like literally look at your answer to "why should everything be my fault, what would that help because this is how it hurts" what was your answer? copy paste time.... everything is your fault if you want to climb, otherwise you don't want to climb. you asked the question i'm giving you the undiluted truth here. so it should be my fault because....everything is my fault if i want to climb it helps me by.......its undiluted truth you dont see how you are using 0 logic? seriously? did i just get out of a game with you or something? there cant be this many people that dont use their brains or that fail at reading and comprehension.....jokes on me, its probably both
: > [{quoted}](name=Matchmakinsux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2019-07-29T18:32:16.899+0000) > > actually you dont, for many reasons > > 1=you mute everyone, and you will miss stuff....am i saying you dont check the map? nope, but i am saying you will never have 100% attention on it > > 2=play your own game, this is hilarious, you realize theyve spent the last what. 2-3 seasons?, working on how to eliminate solo carry and make it more about teamwork? play my own game, what does that even mean exactly, so if im a splitpusher and im going against their top, fed mid and fed jungle, just do what i want and ill win? play to my strengths and either stay and get dove and die or just lose turret in my lane and the other lane thats either vs nobody while they in jungle or vs minions while they roam around, do death timers/respawn? this doesnt make much sense, please elaborate > > 3=everything is not my fault, if im 8/1 in my lane and my teammates are 0/9, 1/11, 2/12, 2/2.....losing the game isnt my fault, it is theres. > ESP when im pinging u to back off and u run into ur death, or i ping mias on ur face for 30s while my laner roams over wards to their overextended azzes then dies.....explaining why and what overextending is and why its bad or to farm under turret and they dont is my fault? again dumb > > 4=kda in fact does matter, to say it doesnt is the same thing as saying kills dont matter, they do.....alot actually..... > since u probably think otherwise, this is why not > > let me join a game with you with 3 buddies of mine, and we will go 0/11 and keep running it down > do kills not make the enemies harder? harder enemies should be a thing of concern and should matter > having stronger champs (having the kills yourself) doesnt matter? you dont do more damage with them? > having more creeps etc doesnt make you stronger? > > to sit here and say stats dont mean anything in league is a dumb af statement, im sorry > > but now that ive told you why this is a horrible idea on all 4 fronts, tell me how its a good idea offset > 1=miss information in game > 2=not being able to use teamwork or your strengths > 3=w/e someone else does is your fault > 4=stats mattering > > ill wait while you never respond,least with anything that has any type of logic put into it.. 1. mute all because you should be able to watch the map yourself and figure out what's going on. 2. don't get caught up in playing your teammates games, focus on your own win conditions. 3. everything is your fault if you want to climb, otherwise you don't want to climb. you asked the question i'm giving you the undiluted truth here. 4. KDA does not matter, it never matters, only objectives matter. if you guys aren't even playing objectives then iunno why you queued up for a league game.
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000a00000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T18:40:27.367+0000) > > 1. mute all because you should be able to watch the map yourself and figure out what's going on. > > 2. don't get caught up in playing your teammates games, focus on your own win conditions. > > 3. everything is your fault if you want to climb, otherwise you don't want to climb. > you asked the question i'm giving you the undiluted truth here. > > 4. KDA does not matter, it never matters, only objectives matter. > if you guys aren't even playing objectives then iunno why you queued up for a league game. ahh so, you do never miss anything on your map, please explain how you trade with the enemy champs and cs while watching map, unless people dont appear on the map and they are just always there.....to say you NEVER take your eyes off the map is dumb, everyone does and youre not superhuman, sorry but i dont believe that dont get caught up playing your teammates game? its a team game bud, if your choosing to leave your team 4v5, unless they are braindead then you are going to lose, end of story.....btw also you have to play your teammates game, you either go to the fight or dont, if you go they will still die for extending and running around blind or you dont go and they still get a kill and now your playing an enemy that has a +1.....either way your playing the game based off his choice, wether you want to or not everything is not my fault, nor will it ever be, youve still yet to explain how thats a good thing....give me this quick example your top laner, your jungle yi goes bot and runs under the turret and dies intentionally......now how is this your fault, why?, and how does making it my fault help me in any way? dont worry you can call it truth all day but it means squat if not even you can explain why its useful kda, does matter if you TRUELY belive it doesnt, again, invite me and my 3 friends and lets play 5-10 games, however many you think you need to be sure, then at the end when the enemies have like 40 extra kills etc, you can explain to me why its your fault and you belong there because youre hardstuck like i get how youre thinking, but your just wrong and havent thought about the very things youre telling me, in the face of facts u cant even admit something like kda mattering....kills matter bud, deaths matter bud, assists matter bud, they win and lose you games, just because i dont NEED kills to win, doesnt mean they dont matter want it explained a much simpler way? here, since you dont seem to get it 1 kill is worth******* 300 gold gold doesnt matter in games now too? we gonna fight everyone with no items start to finish or we gonna admit that gold and items matter? but if gold does matter, wouldnt it matter also how you get it? hmmm stats do seem to actually matter when you think about it, whod have thunk.... but ill wait on your other 0 logic answer, dont wanna say i called it the first time but......yea....look at your answers
: Abusing jungle. That's the easiest way.
> [{quoted}](name=jgl never top ff,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-07-29T17:15:52.839+0000) > > Abusing jungle. That's the easiest way. till all 3 of your lanes are losing more than half the time then you realize they outlevel you xp wise, so pretty much statwise to laners make more gold than you till they camp your jungle and your team refuses to help other than those, jungle is an ok role jungle might be fun when people survive longer than the 3 melee minions in the first wave, but at this point ive given up and forgot
: 1. mute all 2. play your own game 3. accept that everything is your fault 4. KDA doesn't matter. do these and you climb.
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-07-29T18:19:01.076+0000) > > 1. mute all > 2. play your own game > 3. accept that everything is your fault > 4. KDA doesn't matter. > > do these and you climb. actually you dont, for many reasons 1=you mute everyone, and you will miss stuff....am i saying you dont check the map? nope, but i am saying you will never have 100% attention on it 2=play your own game, this is hilarious, you realize theyve spent the last what. 2-3 seasons?, working on how to eliminate solo carry and make it more about teamwork? play my own game, what does that even mean exactly, so if im a splitpusher and im going against their top, fed mid and fed jungle, just do what i want and ill win? play to my strengths and either stay and get dove and die or just lose turret in my lane and the other lane thats either vs nobody while they in jungle or vs minions while they roam around, do death timers/respawn? this doesnt make much sense, please elaborate 3=everything is not my fault, if im 8/1 in my lane and my teammates are 0/9, 1/11, 2/12, 2/2.....losing the game isnt my fault, it is theres. ESP when im pinging u to back off and u run into ur death, or i ping mias on ur face for 30s while my laner roams over wards to their overextended azzes then dies.....explaining why and what overextending is and why its bad or to farm under turret and they dont is my fault? again dumb 4=kda in fact does matter, to say it doesnt is the same thing as saying kills dont matter, they do.....alot actually..... since u probably think otherwise, this is why not let me join a game with you with 3 buddies of mine, and we will go 0/11 and keep running it down do kills not make the enemies harder? harder enemies should be a thing of concern and should matter having stronger champs (having the kills yourself) doesnt matter? you dont do more damage with them? having more creeps etc doesnt make you stronger? to sit here and say stats dont mean anything in league is a dumb af statement, im sorry but now that ive told you why this is a horrible idea on all 4 fronts, tell me how its a good idea offset 1=miss information in game 2=not being able to use teamwork or your strengths 3=w/e someone else does is your fault 4=stats mattering ill wait while you never respond,least with anything that has any type of logic put into it..
: > [{quoted}](name=Matchmakinsux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2019-07-29T17:59:37.038+0000) > > thats 100% bs > > previous seasons when i got to gold4+ (when 5's were a thing) the games suddenly became 90% about who makes mistakes with the occasional troll, pre gold 4 is the opposite and its 90% matchmaking and 10% skill > > multiple seasons ive gotten accounts to gold in pre 100, or in one case sub 50 games (matchmaking hates me, hence the name) and the highest ive ever been is gold 1 > > but making new accounts and leveling through bronze again while getting 3/4 teammates is horrible > > lookat my last game its a perfect example, told yi not to come mid ever, whats he do? first and last things he does is fight my laner. He ended the game 0/9 btw, our top finished 4/12, kept pushing despite watching people walk over wards toward him and 2 people pinging him to back off, doesnt stop em > > we won that game, but the point remains the same.....matchmaking is garbage, the other team should have won, but they cant because i was better than kass and after 3 kills thats it, you cant solo me and most of the times cant duo....more than half the kills i got in that game were 1v2+ > > but the xin who shat on the yi gets the loss > the olaf who shat on renek gets the loss > the botlane who was winning till i kept 1v2ing them lost > > and the guy who went 0/9 got the W > the bot who got helped through laning got the W > and the renek who went 4/12 and kept splitpushing like a trynd with no ult got the W > > so 2 people who should have lost won and 3-4people who should have won lost > > this is why matchmaking is garbage, and nothing, NOTHING, says that this has to happen to the enemy team next game, you have the same chances as last game for it to go the same way > > ranking based on luck is dumb, nobody has fun with it, and its a pita for anyone trying to rank to begin with > > doesnt come down much to skill, comes more down to your champion and/or who has the bigger chimp > > this....is....a....gross....concept.... I'm not sure what your rant has anything to do with what I said But looking at your name I guess you only want to complain about matchmaking
> [{quoted}](name=Technorch,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T18:02:14.254+0000) > > I'm not sure what your rant has anything to do with what I said > But looking at your name I guess you only want to complain about matchmaking you said getting gold4+ doesnt matter, i literally said the whole atmosphere of the game changes right around there you said if youre hardstuck thats where you belong, if that was the case, how have i hit gold multiple times on multiple accounts over multiple seasons but ive had one account with literally 1000's of games between bronze and silver? either youre wrong or that hasnt happened to me on a couple of accounts i mean i get you dont want to be wrong so you point at my name and say im ranting, but the fact remains, if you dont think the game is diff in higher gold than it is in bronze or silver, than idk what to tell you honestly. Its like standing on a cliff looking at a sunset and your buddy looks at you dead serious and says there is no sun like i hear you, just what youre saying makes no sense under just the term luck, that wouldnt make sense you seem to assume alot, you dont play soloque.....but....you know..... that being hardstuck means you belong there above gold4 doesnt matter no point in playing unless youre going to go pro in terms of ranked play for someone who doesnt play soloque, why are you here speaking about something you dont play? or are you going to say flex is the same as soloque? or are you saying you dont need to play it to know it?
Dukues (NA)
: Eh so the most honest answer really is improve and focus on yourself. As shitty as it is to hear but it's kind of the reality. But to elaborate more focusing on these things really helped me. 1. Focus on your main role(2). You need to pick 2 roles but hopefully you get your main role most of the time so focus on that. 2. Main like 3 champs in that role. Focus on 3 champs you think you can play in your main role and spam them. After X number of games see how you are doing. If you play like 20 jax games and your win rate stilll like 15% then obviously you really not doing that great on Jax and maybe you can do better with a different champ? I mean it depends on number of games but really need to find like 2-3 champs you really feel comfortable with and spam them. 3. Its a climb.. takes lots of perseverance so get ready to spam a lot of games. It's just the reality of the League ranked system. 4. Try your hardest not to tilt, but when you do take a break. Playing while your tilted makes you play worse even if it doesn't feel like it. Honestly taking a small break even after every game even when you winning can help but if you on a losing streak either take like 30 + min break or like quit ranked for the day. Some days you just get fucked and spamming more games just = more losses. 5. If someone flamming just mute them. Hit Tab and just mute the person or hell mute all. It honestly can help a lot. 6. honestly there are a lot of things to improve on but just focusing on yourself and playing with a clear mind can help a lot. As someone who has played since season 1 I am honestly still very trash at the game. I never really cared about ranked until season 3 where I was placed bronze 4. Yea... I was mad but figured I could hit silver. It took some time but I got there. After that I was stuck in silver until season 6. Even though I had played for years and spammed thousands of games I got to a point where I was hardly improving so I remained stuck. Finally I focused more on myself and improved more and got into mid gold. Which, is where I been chilling since season 6. But now that Riot changed ranked distributions a bit making it easier to hit next tiers I am trying to reach plat as my old skill level used to be roughly gold 2 and literally season 8 gold 2 is now season 9 plat 4 so..... I don't even really have to improve to rank up lol. But yea... I already have like 250 + games played this season but only 51% win rate so it a grind. But my games have been a lot more competitive lately and I been winning a lot so my win rate is actually sky rocketing. Honestly silver/bronze has always been shitty to play through. Sadly now even up to like gold 3 feels really shitty but yea there just so many people in those ranks games are just way less consistent skill wise. Best thing to do is what I said and focus on yourself and learning a role well with 2-3 champs and spamming whatever champs you winning a lot of games on. Ranking up takes a lot of perseverance and mental fortitude. Season 8 was my worst ranked League season. After being gold for 2 seasons I got placed idk mid silver or w/e. But holy hell....I had never had much less than a 50% win rate before season 8. But I found myself stuck in mid silver after even like 100+ games with a fucking 40% win rate.... I was beyond tilted and just pissed at Riot, the game, myself. I took a couple months off and came back. I did what I said above, stuck to a role, same 2-3 champs, chilled out a bit and climbed quick. Went from like 40% win rate to over 50% and up to like gold 4 or w/e before I quit ranked for the season. Because honestly season 8 was cancer and playing it sucked ass. At least season 9 a little better.
> [{quoted}](name=Dukues,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-07-29T17:39:42.133+0000) > > Eh so the most honest answer really is improve and focus on yourself. As shitty as it is to hear but it's kind of the reality. But to elaborate more focusing on these things really helped me. > > 1. Focus on your main role(2). You need to pick 2 roles but hopefully you get your main role most of the time so focus on that. > 2. Main like 3 champs in that role. Focus on 3 champs you think you can play in your main role and spam them. After X number of games see how you are doing. If you play like 20 jax games and your win rate stilll like 15% then obviously you really not doing that great on Jax and maybe you can do better with a different champ? I mean it depends on number of games but really need to find like 2-3 champs you really feel comfortable with and spam them. > 3. Its a climb.. takes lots of perseverance so get ready to spam a lot of games. It's just the reality of the League ranked system. > 4. Try your hardest not to tilt, but when you do take a break. Playing while your tilted makes you play worse even if it doesn't feel like it. Honestly taking a small break even after every game even when you winning can help but if you on a losing streak either take like 30 + min break or like quit ranked for the day. Some days you just get fucked and spamming more games just = more losses. > 5. If someone flamming just mute them. Hit Tab and just mute the person or hell mute all. It honestly can help a lot. > 6. honestly there are a lot of things to improve on but just focusing on yourself and playing with a clear mind can help a lot. > > > As someone who has played since season 1 I am honestly still very trash at the game. I never really cared about ranked until season 3 where I was placed bronze 4. Yea... I was mad but figured I could hit silver. It took some time but I got there. After that I was stuck in silver until season 6. Even though I had played for years and spammed thousands of games I got to a point where I was hardly improving so I remained stuck. Finally I focused more on myself and improved more and got into mid gold. Which, is where I been chilling since season 6. But now that Riot changed ranked distributions a bit making it easier to hit next tiers I am trying to reach plat as my old skill level used to be roughly gold 2 and literally season 8 gold 2 is now season 9 plat 4 so..... I don't even really have to improve to rank up lol. But yea... I already have like 250 + games played this season but only 51% win rate so it a grind. But my games have been a lot more competitive lately and I been winning a lot so my win rate is actually sky rocketing. > > Honestly silver/bronze has always been shitty to play through. Sadly now even up to like gold 3 feels really shitty but yea there just so many people in those ranks games are just way less consistent skill wise. Best thing to do is what I said and focus on yourself and learning a role well with 2-3 champs and spamming whatever champs you winning a lot of games on. Ranking up takes a lot of perseverance and mental fortitude. > > Season 8 was my worst ranked League season. After being gold for 2 seasons I got placed idk mid silver or w/e. But holy hell....I had never had much less than a 50% win rate before season 8. But I found myself stuck in mid silver after even like 100+ games with a fucking 40% win rate.... I was beyond tilted and just pissed at Riot, the game, myself. I took a couple months off and came back. I did what I said above, stuck to a role, same 2-3 champs, chilled out a bit and climbed quick. Went from like 40% win rate to over 50% and up to like gold 4 or w/e before I quit ranked for the season. Because honestly season 8 was cancer and playing it sucked ass. At least season 9 a little better. this isnt season 3 or 4 where u can go into a bad matchup and be like, ill build alittle armor so i dont instant die and farm it out nor is it the season where matchmaking wasnt as bad (somehow back then, they could throw pre lvl 30's with plats etc and somehow the game quality was higher than now) back then you could claw back into games, splitpush, etc theyve literally nerfed everything.... want to splitpush? how about some turret plating want to defend 3 people off your turret alone? to bad, now only like 2 people get to do that want to ward out their jungle and see them coming? lets nerf green wards! have a problem with invisible champs like eve? ward her camps, oops got a CD now! still having a problem since u cant ward her camp(s)? buy a pink, wait! they are visible now so she can see when you see her, oh and she gets an indicator if she is near it in vision! screw sweepers who needs those anymore! damage you say? heres some more we noticed that since we buffed this guy, he dominates, so instead of nerfing him, we gonna buff everyone else! new skin coming up? heres a buff lets add some super broken items shall we? cough feral flare, cough sojin, cough duskblade, cough etc remember being able to take any stats in your runes like cdr mixed with armor, ad, ap, mr, lifesteal, movementspeed, scaling runes etc? well fk that noise, lets have some runes that are cookie cutter and break some champs while leaving otherwise super behind who wants that when you can have a cookie cutter runeset and have it break some champions while leaving some champs near unplayable in comparison......compared to......adding any stat you want, mixed how you want, for who youre going against i remember i used to take all MR or armor runes on someone like fizz to stop the poke now i play fizz and its like i either oneshot you or you oneshot me, then whoever lives farms! what fun (minus junglers of course) s3 league of legends was pimpin af, you could go against a bad matchup on someone like say trist and need to be burst so you built ap instead of ad, or fights needed to be longer so you did the opposite they took every part of strategy out and literally made it who gets the chimp or who gets the real champion, and its super gross
: i don't play soloq, i play flex, where people are more likely to actually use teamwork. imo there's no real point tryharding ranked because unless someone has the potential to go pro, then ranking up above gold 4 really doesn't matter. and you won't get to your deserved rank unless you give soloq much more time than its worth. and if you're hardstuck, that's where you belong
> [{quoted}](name=Technorch,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-07-29T17:50:00.743+0000) > > i don't play soloq, i play flex, where people are more likely to actually use teamwork. > imo there's no real point tryharding ranked because unless someone has the potential to go pro, then ranking up above gold 4 really doesn't matter. and you won't get to your deserved rank unless you give soloq much more time than its worth. and if you're hardstuck, that's where you belong thats 100% bs previous seasons when i got to gold4+ (when 5's were a thing) the games suddenly became 90% about who makes mistakes with the occasional troll, pre gold 4 is the opposite and its 90% matchmaking and 10% skill multiple seasons ive gotten accounts to gold in pre 100, or in one case sub 50 games (matchmaking hates me, hence the name) and the highest ive ever been is gold 1 but making new accounts and leveling through bronze again while getting 3/4 teammates is horrible lookat my last game its a perfect example, told yi not to come mid ever, whats he do? first and last things he does is fight my laner. He ended the game 0/9 btw, our top finished 4/12, kept pushing despite watching people walk over wards toward him and 2 people pinging him to back off, doesnt stop em we won that game, but the point remains the same.....matchmaking is garbage, the other team should have won, but they cant because i was better than kass and after 3 kills thats it, you cant solo me and most of the times cant duo....more than half the kills i got in that game were 1v2+ but the xin who shat on the yi gets the loss the olaf who shat on renek gets the loss the botlane who was winning till i kept 1v2ing them lost and the guy who went 0/9 got the W the bot who got helped through laning got the W and the renek who went 4/12 and kept splitpushing like a trynd with no ult got the W so 2 people who should have lost won and 3-4people who should have won lost this is why matchmaking is garbage, and nothing, NOTHING, says that this has to happen to the enemy team next game, you have the same chances as last game for it to go the same way ranking based on luck is dumb, nobody has fun with it, and its a pita for anyone trying to rank to begin with doesnt come down much to skill, comes more down to your champion and/or who has the bigger chimp this....is....a....gross....concept....
: > [{quoted}](name=Matchmakinsux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-07-29T16:53:21.172+0000) > > nah, any champion is easiest if your team just doesnt int start-finish, and by team i mean the other 3/4 randoms it puts you with > > then again, you dont even get randoms in diamond it sounds like when you play to win and get a loss, you are very upset. Instead, play to win, but do not play to win lane and then win teamfights, which is what you are doing now. Instead, play split push champions that solely focus on winning lane and split pushing, or focused on trolling the enemy champions after outscaling, like singed. Focusing to win teamfights when you don't have a team and losing as a result is part of the playstyle that you have, and you can change your choices by playing split champions like tryndamere and yorick, or playing champions that scale well into late game like singed. Take a look at tommy 309 or high elo singed players, they can int in lane and they still come back hard later in the game by trolling because of game knowledge.
> [{quoted}](name=Summoner SpeII,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T17:02:16.307+0000) > > it sounds like when you play to win and get a loss, you are very upset. Instead, play to win, but do not play to win lane and then win teamfights, which is what you are doing now. Instead, play split push champions that solely focus on winning lane and split pushing, or focused on trolling the enemy champions after outscaling, like singed. Focusing to win teamfights when you don't have a team and losing as a result is part of the playstyle that you have, and you can change your choices by playing split champions like tryndamere and yorick, or playing champions that scale well into late game like singed. Take a look at tommy 309 or high elo singed players, they can int in lane and they still come back hard later in the game by trolling because of game knowledge. what im doing now is playing safe mid while im ganked over and over by top jungle and bot, all of which have 5+ kills, while my team literally ints and doesnt push a single lane, they literally spawn, run up to an enemy in jungle and die, rinse till over you say teamfights like we have teamfights, we literally dont, your confusing diamond league of legends with league of legends have u made a new account and not duod? because ill tell you right now, everything you're saying is wrong in terms of the games im playing not trying to be mean, but your assumptions are super wrong, what im angry about is getting 44 possible teammates and 39 of them going 0/5-0/11 while refusing to listen to english, pings, or even other people how many times do you start a game and literally tell the jungler not to gank, then he gives your laner 3 kills just running it down before level 5? because its literally every game for me....dont take my word, watch some of the replays for yourself
: tbh the real climbing is playing the 1v9 garen, he is the easiest champion to climb low elo with, and he is not bad because riste hit challenger with him anyways
> [{quoted}](name=Summoner SpeII,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-07-29T16:46:35.936+0000) > > tbh the real climbing is playing the 1v9 garen, he is the easiest champion to climb low elo with, and he is not bad because riste hit challenger with him anyways nah, any champion is easiest if your team just doesnt int start-finish, and by team i mean the other 3/4 randoms it puts you with then again, you dont even get randoms in diamond
: > [{quoted}](name=Matchmakinsux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T16:35:56.865+0000) > > ur not even in the same world as me dude > > there is a huge difference between making mistakes in game > > and clearly knowing nothing, ignoring all pings and chat, and legit inting > > and it defeats the purpose of climbing if im putting 1 game on 1 account per day while sifting through 18 lobbies and dodging them, 1 month later yay i got 30 games total between 6 accounts! after i got inted 30 games i encountered theese troll fanbois inting me in my d2 promos when i was climbing back playing trist mid because caps locked in trist mid so they decide to lock in their first time trist/33% winrate into my d2 promos against the enemy 1 trick, do you understand the frustrations every league player goes through to be inted by 2 trist mid players in the span of 5 games
> [{quoted}](name=Summoner SpeII,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T16:41:58.585+0000) > > after i got inted 30 games i encountered theese troll fanbois inting me in my d2 promos when i was climbing back playing trist mid because caps locked in trist mid so they decide to lock in their first time trist/33% winrate into my d2 promos against the enemy 1 trick, do you understand the frustrations every league player goes through to be inted by 2 trist mid players in the span of 5 games i dont sadly all i know is getting intd by 3/4 randoms every game
: > [{quoted}](name=Darkdemon653,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T16:33:45.025+0000) > > Yes, it means you will have more feeders on the enemy team than your team. That does NOT mean it. It means the chance might be slighter higher that he gets more feeders on the enemy team, but this does not have to be true. You can be unlucky and get more feeders on your team, even though people don't want to believe this for whatever reason.
> [{quoted}](name=Linda de Mol,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T16:35:53.402+0000) > > That does NOT mean it. > > It means the chance might be slighter higher that he gets more feeders on the enemy team, but this does not have to be true. You can be unlucky and get more feeders on your team, even though people don't want to believe this for whatever reason. people dont understand what the word chance or probability actually mean
: > [{quoted}](name=Matchmakinsux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-07-29T16:31:44.676+0000) > > so because they have a higher chance to, that means they do or something? Yes, it means you will have more feeders on the enemy team than your team.
> [{quoted}](name=Darkdemon653,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T16:33:45.025+0000) > > Yes, it means you will have more feeders on the enemy team than your team. does it? pass basic math then look at my history and tell me how many they got as opposed to my team or proving your logic to hard? or is it the being wrong part?
: > [{quoted}](name=Matchmakinsux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-07-29T16:20:03.309+0000) > > so what happens when you get to the point you have to dodge 10-15 games to see one lobby? dodge timers increase each time, if i wont waste my time in a game with 3 0/11's, you think im going to trade it for waiting on queue dodge timer? > > seems dumb if i have to spend 2 days to find 1 match thats why you play on more than 1 account, also u think you have it bad, i was griefed 30 games straight and dropped from d2 to d4, with every game being a coinflip gone horribly wrong
> [{quoted}](name=Summoner SpeII,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T16:22:59.742+0000) > > thats why you play on more than 1 account, also u think you have it bad, i was griefed 30 games straight and dropped from d2 to d4, with every game being a coinflip gone horribly wrong ur not even in the same world as me dude there is a huge difference between making mistakes in game and clearly knowing nothing, ignoring all pings and chat, and legit inting and it defeats the purpose of climbing if im putting 1 game on 1 account per day while sifting through 18 lobbies and dodging them, 1 month later yay i got 30 games total between 6 accounts!
: > [{quoted}](name=Matchmakinsux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-07-29T16:27:44.685+0000) > > exactly my point > > this is gross, and shouldnt be like this People who say you can win every game with enough skills are delusional. I read that so much on the boards. 'if you good you can carry' but if your teammates literally ignore every advice, running it down, going afk, feeding fizz with 10 kills in 15 mins whatchu going to do? I can scream and ping for drake and ping for wards but if they refuse to do all, you are doomed to defeat. and I afk in games too when its 27-5 kills for the enemy, enemy has 7 turrets and 3 drakes and my team has 0. and YET they dont want to surrender . Uhm nope, not going to waste my time and energy on that sorta bullshit. People love to troll and keep you hostage in a nightmare game.
> [{quoted}](name=Linda de Mol,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T16:29:58.559+0000) > > People who say you can win every game with enough skills are delusional. > > I read that so much on the boards. > > 'if you good you can carry' > > but if your teammates literally ignore every advice, running it down, going afk, feeding fizz with 10 kills in 15 mins whatchu going to do? I can scream and ping for drake and ping for wards but if they refuse to do all, you are doomed to defeat. > > and I afk in games too when its 27-3 kills for the enemy, enemy has 7 turrets and 3 drakes and my team has 0. and YET they dont want to surrender . Uhm nope, not going to waste my time and energy on that sorta bullshit. People love to troll and keep you hostage in a nightmare game. i feel u man, i got tired of being a hostage too, never again
: Unless you are one of the ones feeding, the enemy team has a higher chance of having feeders than yours.
> [{quoted}](name=Darkdemon653,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-29T15:50:03.069+0000) > > Unless you are one of the ones feeding, the enemy team has a higher chance of having feeders than yours. and? so because they have a higher chance to, that means they do or something? because they dont, you can check for yourself and in light of that, your comment makes 0 sense and adds nothing to what im talking about, id say thanks but you seem like one of the people who get put on my team atm
: honestly it's all about luck. Couple of days ago I had a 10 ranked game losing streak. So I lost 10 rankeds in a row. Now I won 6 rankeds in a row. I don't play different, i'm just lucky today and had bad luck earlier. I can play amazing, if two teammates go 0/13 or leave the game at all there's not much you can do.
> [{quoted}](name=Linda de Mol,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-07-29T16:23:52.159+0000) > > honestly it's all about luck. > > > Couple of days ago I had a 10 ranked game losing streak. So I lost 10 rankeds in a row. > > Now I won 6 rankeds in a row. > > I don't play different, i'm just lucky today and had bad luck earlier. I can play amazing, if two teammates go 0/13 or leave the game at all there's not much you can do. exactly my point this is gross, and shouldnt be like this after u level up one account and get 10 afks on ur team in your first 8 placement matches, then you level up another one and get teammate after teammate every game str8 trolling or inting it just begs to question if i have to literally keep leveling accounts to get lucky so i can play with people who actually play the game
Jikker (NA)
: Half of it is skill, half of it is luck. At least in my opinion. Best advice I was given was to focus on improving your skills enough that you can solo carry if needed and letting the troll/terrible games pass without mentally getting to you. Tilting makes the climb 10x harder than any troll will.
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-29T15:45:56.495+0000) > > Half of it is skill, half of it is luck. At least in my opinion. Best advice I was given was to focus on improving your skills enough that you can solo carry if needed and letting the troll/terrible games pass without mentally getting to you. Tilting makes the climb 10x harder than any troll will. its not half skills/half luck, why would you even think this? you cant 1v5 a game with skill (unless the skill disparity is so huge, which leads back into the point of the topic being matchmaking and its terrible quality) but someone can lose you the game by themselves solo carry? its never a solo carry, either its one team has no idea wtf they are doing (90% of the time) or one PERSON had no idea wtf a keyboard was and fed one dude to the point he oneshots everyone, think of hard hard it would be to win a game against yi while ur camped and im bot or top inting the yi and give him 11 kills in the first 6mins......thats more of an int than a solo carry but again, even if it was half luck (its def way more) the fact that half of my games will get decided by the matchmaker is gross coupled with the fact that the other games i have to play out of my mind to carry people who have no buisness playing with these other people in the same game
: you op gg your teamates in champ select to see how many trolls and autofills you have and dodge them if you need to, and lower your pride and take flame and realize what you need to improve on every game
> [{quoted}](name=Summoner SpeII,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-29T15:27:00.756+0000) > > you op gg your teamates in champ select to see how many trolls and autofills you have and dodge them if you need to, and lower your pride and take flame and realize what you need to improve on every game so what happens when you get to the point you have to dodge 10-15 games to see one lobby? dodge timers increase each time, if i wont waste my time in a game with 3 0/11's, you think im going to trade it for waiting on queue dodge timer? seems dumb if i have to spend 2 days to find 1 match
: can you get a positive winrate despite the games you afk for issues etc?
> [{quoted}](name=Luther King Jr V,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-29T14:18:37.177+0000) > > can you get a positive winrate despite the games you afk for issues etc? only 2 were an issue, one was my end with comp locking up due to gfx card, other was riot bugsplat (which btw idk if you know more than half the time you reload into those games, even if you win you dont get lp for leaving) so no point on those ones other games i got all positive scores, think one of em i might have ended negative but i started like 4/0 then got the 1v3 fed opponents dillemma while people ignored pings and ran it down
: if u wanna climb u need to get better and focus on yourself ignore 'trolls in your team and play/learn the game. Going afk in 4 out of 11 ranked games is not how u climb or get better btw.
> [{quoted}](name=Sound Chimera,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gZcY%%%p,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-29T14:12:28.527+0000) > > if u wanna climb u need to get better and focus on yourself ignore 'trolls in your team and play/learn the game. > > Going afk in 4 out of 11 ranked games is not how u climb or get better btw. ignoring trolls doesnt solve any problem besides toxicity doesnt stop them from running it down, taking ziggs supp and taking all the cs and never grouping, etc etc again, dont take it completely out of context, why dont you look into those games and tell me what the scores were when i left, you play out a match thats 1-20 at the 7minute mark, tell me if you won or wasted ur time, bc i played other games and got stuff to show for it if you would like i could join youre game and you could just ignore me, see how long your strat to climb works for you before you do the same
: how do you climb? (honestly)
btw all those games u see me go afk, look deeper into them one of them my bot was 0/11 before i hit lvl 6 in mid the one im writing from now, my jungle i specifically asked not to come mid, he literally started the game and intd 3 kills now i hear what u guys are saying about ignore trolls etc, they can type all they want and idc, what i care about is the fact that 3/4 of them, every game , do something to the point nobody else can carry them....even this game they actually are coming back and im not going to rejoin it either its one thing to say never mind the guy screaming and yelling, its another thing to say dont mind the guy totally wasting your time 78% of the time you que up to play and tbh, the game feels better, sure im getting hit with leaverbusters left and right, but at least at the end of the day i got something to show for it while i play other games waiting on leaverbusters or games to finish.....is it a shit thing to do, sure, to people who are trying to play the game and win, but those arent the games im playing, and tbh i dont mind even if people feed as long as they try but this, dont come to my lane shit followed by inting my lane from start-lvl 6 while im 1v2-1v4ing just isnt going to cut it and im not gonna play them out, simply put a game like this shouldnt involve luck 78% of the time and skill the other 22%, you got that chet backwards again, am i the best? no, but when i come out of lane like 5/0 or 8/1 and cant kill anyone else besides my laner and the jungler im going against then asked to 1v5 the 11/0 bot or top while being under pressure all game, i cant do it and i argue anyone in my position more than half the time couldnt either, challenger or not doesnt matter how good you are at the game, if 3 of ur teammates afk, and the 4th runs it down your lane, you lose, period
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