: > [{quoted}](name=Crimson Elite ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=3R7zEahR,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-05-08T18:50:23.593+0000) > > Nah, i mean just talon's play-rate isn't decent. It's well below average. Talon is not on the list. He is ranked about 70-100 is games played in B,S,G,P,D,M,C divisions. In higer Elo he has great winrates. That's all i was saying.
> [{quoted}](name=webstar1108,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=3R7zEahR,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-08T18:56:03.874+0000) > > Talon is not on the list. He is ranked about 70-100 is games played in B,S,G,P,D,M,C divisions. In higer Elo he has great winrates. That's all i was saying. My bad, was confused by this quote: "Like in Diamond Talon had a descent play rate and 57.03% wr last month", because it doesn't make any sense when there are at least 103 champs that have a higher play-rate in diamond. I just don't consider that a decent play-rate, I consider it a low play-rate. Sorry for the miscommunication.
: > [{quoted}](name=Crimson Elite ,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=3R7zEahR,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-07T22:56:53.846+0000) > > I think you are confused about what decent play rate means Those are all the lowest play rates. So idk what you mean.
> [{quoted}](name=webstar1108,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=3R7zEahR,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-05-08T14:31:36.963+0000) > > Those are all the lowest play rates. So idk what you mean. Nah, i mean just talon's play-rate isn't decent. It's well below average.
: Champs almost never played in Master/Challenger
I think you are confused about what decent play rate means
: But see it shouldn't be like that. People shouldn't have to worry about hurting some butterfly's feelings when they're trying to win the game by trying to get them to play better, which is about 90% of the bans that are up on the boards.
Agreed, I've been saying this for a while now and I guess I've just gotten bored of caring.
koshkyra (NA)
: If you were unranked last season you shouldnt automatically be put in silver (not a hate post)
This isn't how the system works. You can be placed anywhere from bronze to gold, depending on how your placements go during your first ranked season. This account I'm posting from right now is my source.
: it's because all of the players in here are trying to figure out what got busted in their system lately and why so many stupidly unnecessary bans are being handed out
Yeah i guess. Personally, I couldn't care less. The dynamics of the behavioral system bore me and people only really become interested when they believe they have been wrongly banned. My honest opinion is that the punishment system has been a problem ever since this preseason and it only seems to be getting worse and worse. Everyone just has to adapt or be banned.
Ifneth (NA)
: Downvote Brigading of Moderators who Say Hard Truths
Actually for the longest time it has been the other way around. Honestly, seems like every thread posted in player behavior is subject to a lot of vote brigading.
Opdí (NA)
: Well after contacting support, I was finally proven wrong and learned that Riot does possess a tiny modicum of sense. Here is the response I received: > Your understanding of the situation is sold and I can tell that after having a conversation about this you understand a clear path to avoiding this again in the future. The team and I have discussed your suspension in great depth with one another and I have some great news for you! We will be reducing the suspension, but I want to give you some advice and warnings for what happens from here. > > Your assessment is correct, arguing with your team and cluttering the chat with the negativity of the game is an improper use of chat. This behavior prevents others from seeing important information and causes others to lose enjoyment in the game. In that respect, the suspension was applied correctly. I have decided to reduce this suspension to a second two-week penalty because I believe that after the conversation you will be better prepared the keep the account under your control. > > Understand that something as small as arguing or lighting berating after the suspension is up will push you to a permanent suspension. Know that this is your FINAL WARNING and you will not get another after this. > > All and all, please remember that this really is your last chance, so If you would like any further assistance or help, to avoid a permanent suspension, then please feel free to reach out to me. I want you to keep this account, just as much as you do :). > > (REMOVED) > Riot Games Player Support Wow. I still feel like this is an utterly ridiculous punishment, but I'll take it I guess. Not sure if I even want to continue playing after this insanity but if I do it will be with chat completely turned off.
Bıogen (EUW)
: Unlocking honor after being locked
Uh, the complaint is getting honor back to level 2 is taking too long, not unlocking it. It took me 2 days to unlock my honor after my 14 day ban.
Chermorg (NA)
: Oh I don't deny it **could** be done. But should it? Should Riot punish players simply because they used a "no no word"? Let's say "idiot" is on the nono word list. Should "dumb" also be on the nono word list? Should players be punished for using a nono word just because it's a nono word, even if it's not used in a bad way at all? ---- I don't think anyone asks Riot to hold their hands. They **do** ask Riot to enforce standards of conduct on the community that make for a decent video game. Maybe if you think Riot shouldn't try to reform, they should just give permanent bans instantly to anyone who misbehaves. Remember, this is just a game. We all are here to have fun, not see people being all high and mighty to each other. This is a game, not a dick measuring contest.
Hmm, this response is kind of all over the place and its making it hard to address the things I wanted to discuss. I don't really want to sit here and try to change your opinion or anything, but what you are saying lacks the amount of depth I need to be properly convinced. I do believe that if the rules are clear and there is an established list of words that are truly inappropriate, then it is perfectly fine to punish players based on this regardless of context, **as long as they are made aware of the rules**. Do I honestly think words like "idiot" and "dumb" should be punishable? No, of course not. But if riot were to decide that they were and **publicly announce this change in policy**, I would follow it. Keep in mind that I am a very open minded person. I have no problem with people telling me to "k _ s" or "n_ck myself", but riot has established through recent punishment that these phrases are completely zero tolerance, so I don't use them. The problem I do have is when a policy is changed or made purposely unclear in order to "catch" players who are unaware of the rules. That is a very dishonest thing for a company to do to its customers and it just rubs me, personally, the wrong way. As for the other statement about standards of conduct, I agree on a fundamental level, but let me ask you this: does society have a set standard of conduct? Or are you referring to the military code of conduct? Because military officers are aware that they will be held to a higher standard than that of ordinary citizens when they enlist. Why should league players be held to higher standards than that of other games or just any internet site? In your own words "this is just a game", and people have less fun when they are worried about whether or not their behavior could offend someone, thus the need for clear and concise rules about what is appropriate and what isn't.
Chermorg (NA)
: That was the problem though. I think you and I can both agree that it can't be boiled down to "this word is okay" and "this word is not okay" - because words have context within the sentences they're in (except hate speech and the like which are never okay). The problem then becomes is that the rules must become more specific - and the more specific the rules, they either have to be so long nobody will read them (making them as vague as they are now), or they will still miss things. I think the [Summoner's Code](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/) you agree to when you sign up is clear enough. Be a decent person, don't get punished.
I actually do not agree, I think for an online video game like this it can be that simple. You make a clear list of what behaviors will be punished and what words will not be tolerated and everyone follows it. This isn't some kind of mini video game society that riot is policing, its simply a game that people play for fun or competition. Players on here do not need to be protected from each other by "big daddy riot", all riot should be doing is punishing people who break the rules. They are not here to hold you hand and comfort you every-time someone hurts your feeling during a match. Unfortunately, I think this new generations' massive sense of entitlement is what is pushing riot towards somewhat questionable behavioral policies and blurring the line between punishment and rehabilitation in an online video game. Remember, this is just a game.
Chermorg (NA)
: I don't think it's possible at all. Let's say you have a rule against the word "fuck". Should I be punished for saying "fuck me I screwed that up"? I think we all agree no. So you either have to *not* punish things that should be punished in some cases, or you have to extend the phrases caught until they are so specific as to never catch anything. That same concept applies to rules. You will either not punish some who deserve it, or you'll end up with rules so specific you actually miss more players because the rules don't exactly cover what they did.
**That first example is where I disagree with you**. If you have a rule stating explicitly that the word "fuck" will not be tolerated, then yes that player should be punished. It doesn't matter if the word was directed at someone else or himself, because rules should be concrete. The important part is that they need to be clear. People will be fine with somewhat strict rules as long as it is clearly stated what is allowed and what isn't. If you stick to that philosophy; then I think a scenario where the core context of any toxic situation can be generalized and represented by a set of rules is possible and probably a much better alternative to the current system we have in place.
Chermorg (NA)
: When clear rules are established, they will not catch anything. You end up with a cat and mouse game of someone getting punished but then "oh wait this wasn't exactly in the rules so I shouldn't have been punished for it". Or worse, people behaving poorly but not getting punished because the rules don't cover it. it's not hard to not get punished in League. Riot doesn't *want* to have to kick players out. Rioters themselves play and enjoy League and they work there to ensure everyone can. If a player can reform, which most do after only one punishment, they should be commended. And if they don't, why should they not get another chance or two? Riot has struck a decent balance between removing toxicity and not removing players who aren't legitimately bad players.
Aite, cool. That was pretty insightful as to your own line of reasoning. What I understand, is that your perspective is that of someone actively looking to catch people and punish them. While I don't think this is the best way to police behavior in an online video game; I respect your stance and understand your train of thought. Now I'll share my opinion. I think clear rules are essential to a fair punishment system. I understand that there are some concerns about people trying to bend the rules through circumstances that are not specifically stated. If this is the case, then all that really indicates is that the rules are not clear enough. This means that it is necessary to establish rules that are applicable to the core of any toxic situation/context in league of legends, and I definitely think this is achievable if riot support is willing to put the time and effort into it. As for changing people's attitudes, I don't think that is a power that a video game company should exercise or wield. Sure it's fine to punish people who consistently break the rules, but to punish people simply because they have an attitude unbecoming to that of an online video gamer seems pretty asinine to me, because an acceptable attitude is something that is generally up to an individual's own interpretation. What you may see as toxic or offensive, might just come off as funny or sarcastic to me. (just some food for thought)
Chermorg (NA)
: I have held off on responding and just been observing this thread. It would appear to me that yours is a case where you have a major attitude problem and you think you're always right and must have the last word. This type of negative, combative, and obnoxious attitude not only is prevalent in your chat logs from the three games you were given, but it shows in many of your replies here. You refuse to accept that, even as you admit you were warned this type of thing is not okay, you fucked up. You refuse to accept that you were given chances to improve your behavior, and you did not. You tried to be **just** as negative as possible without getting caught again for it. And it bit you in the butt. Your attempt at adding a sarcastic smiley to everything is not going to work. You were doing everything possible to cause a negative environment for your teammates - be it by directly harassing them, calling for reports on them, insulting them, goading and antagonizing them, being passive aggressive towards them, or being sarcastic towards them. Your behavior in the logs is **obviously** with bad intent, especially after your posts on this thread. Your 14 day ban appears to have ended no more than a week ago (3-4 days to be exact). You were **literally** just warned about your behavior. Yet you tried to toe the line again. You showed no intent of reforming **whatsoever**. And you appear as well to have been doing everything possible to **not** help your team during games you were frustrated with them. Hint: That's called griefing - and it's prohibited. I certainly hope your ban is not removed. You are the exact type of person that the escalating punishment system is designed to catch - someone with no intent of being a decent community and team player. ---- For the record, I only posted on this thread as OP asked me specifically to come to this thread and post in a reply to a comment I made on another thread.
Quick question for you, because I'm somewhat curious after reading this comment: Why do you think the punishment system should be geared towards changing people's bad habits and negative attitudes, instead of focused on establishing clear punishments for behavior explicitly stated as being toxic? I, myself don't understand why everyone on here is preaching reformation and changing people's attitudes. This is a video game, so maybe instead of treating players that break the rules as some kind of societal menace that should be changed and shaped into their own definition of a positive player, shouldn't riot be focusing on making it crystal clear what type of behavior is acceptable and what isn't? That way punishments can be dished out objectively and efficiently, as well as without question.
DW Diana (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Crimson Elite ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EVvZAITe,comment-id=00070001000000010001,timestamp=2018-05-02T23:04:14.856+0000) > > Have you played malzahar? He's a joke. He's about as interactive to lane against and he is to play. So are you voting rework or revert?
If I can't choose delete, then definitely rework. He wasn't any less boring before the rework anyways.
DW Diana (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Crimson Elite ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EVvZAITe,comment-id=00070001000000000001,timestamp=2018-05-02T23:07:58.946+0000) > > lol, assuming that it is simply that I don't like to play against Malzahar? I have very high win ratio against him. He's not hard to play against. His problem is that he is just boring. His lane is boring. His abilities are boring. Its boring to play against him. Its boring to play as him. Just honestly better off with out such a boring champ in league tbh. Those that main him would disagree, and may feel the same way about many other champions. In any case malz isn't going anywhere and this thread is dedicated to the poll for revert, rework or leave him as he is. Feel free to vote :)
Of course, that's why its an opinion poll. Although all the down-votes and hate that people get on here make people less likely to voice their honest opinions.
Terozu (NA)
: The only trigger words are outright hate speech and telling others to kill themselves. If you have to 'adjust your mentality' to treat other human beings with basic respect, you deserve the punishment and should not be in a social situation. And its been in place for years.
A lot of that is false. There are many words that trigger punishment by the IFS that aren't as extreme. Also, since the system has no way of detecting tone or your relation to the other party, many statements can be misconstrued as disrespectful when they are actually just lighthearted humor. Acting as though someone who hurt your feelings is not treating you with basic human respect or dignity should honestly be flagged and checked out by this system. Entitlement is becoming a serious issue in this game.
: >The justification is that your previous ban should be warning enough for you, but we all know that is pretty bullshit. "We all"? Yeah nah, you don't speak for the community. How is that pretty bullshit? You either have to be telling people to kill themselves, or have received two chat restrictions for that to ever be a problem. That's three separate chances to behave or be told to get out. What's the problem?
If you have a problem with me just say it. Nitpicking what I post on here doesn't really accomplish much. Also, getting offended because I used the word "we" when I never even specified what I meant by "we" seems pretty insecure to me. but whatever you do you.
DW Diana (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Crimson Elite ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EVvZAITe,comment-id=000700010000,timestamp=2018-05-02T02:07:58.824+0000) > > I mean, everything that "malzahar mains" like about malzahar is what I hate about him. I'd say just delete him and make a completely new champ. If Riot deleted every champion people didn't like playing against, there wouldn't be any champions.
lol, assuming that it is simply that I don't like to play against Malzahar? I have very high win ratio against him. He's not hard to play against. His problem is that he is just boring. His lane is boring. His abilities are boring. Its boring to play against him. Its boring to play as him. Just honestly better off with out such a boring champ in league tbh.
: Who could guess somebody who mains assassins doesn't like not having one (1) champion on the roster who shits on them.
Have you played malzahar? He's a joke. He's about as interactive to lane against and he is to play.
Opdí (NA)
: This is Permabanabble???
Inb4 the typical "you type too much" comment. But seriously, you need to be much more careful after recently getting off of a 14-day ban. Any small amount of toxicity or negative behavior can result in a permanent ban, no questions asked. The justification is that your previous ban should be warning enough for you, but we all know that is pretty bullshit. When a system that automatically detects trigger words is just thrown in place all of the sudden, people aren't going to have the proper amount of time to adjust their vocabulary and mentality in order to avoid automated punishment. Who knows? Maybe that's what riot was going for when introducing the IFS, maybe it was an unintentional product of the shift to a fully-automated punishment system Either way, it seems lazy and dishonest to me.
: that's under "Rework" category. "Rework" includes both [modernizing a champ] and [delete Malzahar and make a new champion named Malzahar].
I mean, everything that "malzahar mains" like about malzahar is what I hate about him. I'd say just delete him and make a completely new champ.
DW Diana (NA)
: Revert Malzahar?
Where's the delete Malzahar option?
Emo Twink (OCE)
: Zed, His Lack of Weaknesses, and Seeker's Armguard
Zed's weaknesses generally lie in the late game stage. It is very hard to team fight well with him, so when adc's/mid-laners are grouping with their team he is much less effective. Honestly, he doesn't need any early game nerfs. He is just one of the champions that was designed to be strong in the early game. Champions like darius or lee sin have the same type of design, and it's honestly not that unhealthy imo. People just refuse to change their own play-style in order to counter or withstand a champion's strengths and play towards their weaknesses.
: I feel the best "punishment" in this case is being issued a generic name with a free change
Agreed, but unfortunately that is not how riot handled this case.
: Which I can understand, when it involves chat. Logically, why would they give a chat restrict for either name offenses or gameplay? You don't. I do find it interesting that is was a week ban though. Odd length. Would love to see the OPs tickets.
Because it is a lesser punishment which would probably fit a lesser offense such as an inappropriate name. Especially an offense that is purely subjective such as this one.
: That's because a name doesn't involve chat. That would be like expecting a chat restriction for trolling when it starts at a ban. Edit: So down voted for explaining why you wouldn't get a chat restriction for a name thing? While neither agreeing nor disagreeing, legit.
You probably down-voted, because people disagree with the policy of bans without chat restrictions or warnings.
: Nobody's saying it doesn't. But it's not going to exist in this one, because statistically, in *this* game, that kind of garbage causes a measurable decrease in the likelihood of a win.
It is naive to think that this game should be vastly different than any other competitive sport imo, but I respect your optimism.
: Every sport ever made has behavioral requirements, and in many places those extend to off the field of play.
If you want to argue semantics, then yes. Having a bad attitude doesn't necessarily mean you behave inappropriately. I could have a trash mentality that if I'm not up 10 kills by 15 minutes my team should just ff. Even if I keep playing the game till the end, if I ask for surrenders or spam the surrender vote on cool-down I can still be reported for negative attitude. Sports are the same way, they just have much more relaxed restrictions regarding behavior and attitude. Players routinely trash-talk each other on the basketball court during games. Hell, I was just watching the heat / 76ers game yesterday, and players were jawing at each other, throwing elbows, fouling way too hard, and even pinning each other up against the basketball hoop like hoodlums. To just pretend that this kind of behavior doesn't exist in almost every competitive sport is naive.
Gabresol (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Crimson Elite ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6AEgumEw,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-04-22T09:02:21.721+0000) > > It's easier to climb in honor when you are lvl 2 or higher. The penalty for those who have been punished and are level 0 - 1 is significantly decreased honor progression. This thread is discussing that, not normal honor progression I somehow also have the inability to understand how people manage to drop down in honor...
By getting punished.
: That is fair, but then you shouldn't just give credibility to those who say they aren't climbing in honor after x months. They claim they have been good but no proof.
Yeah, true, but when I say I'm taking months, I'm speaking from my own experience that's why I naturally believe people who have similar experiences.
Gabresol (EUW)
: And here I am, still wondering hoe people manage to not get honor 3 by the end of a season...
It's easier to climb in honor when you are lvl 2 or higher. The penalty for those who have been punished and are level 0 - 1 is significantly decreased honor progression. This thread is discussing that, not normal honor progression
: Tantrum didn't contest the one guys claim. Otherwise just have to take their words for it.
Even if you consider Tantrum the highest authority on here, people shouldn't be given credibility based on whether he calls them out or not. He's not some kind of omnipresent smite god of these boards or anything. He answers questions that he thinks are important or easy to answer and ignores the tough ones or ones that he just doesn't care about like any normal human being.
: I hate ezreal so much.
So, ekko but for bot lane? I can see it i guess. Q walk away. q walk away.
: Sure. The more info, the better, after all. It's definitely weird to think though, noticing it now - it could just be vague or off-wording on dArtagnan's part, or (tinfoil) the IFS could be more coupled into the Honor System than we readily know or expect. Whatever the case, all variants at least point towards one thing; players who aren't breaking the rules can at least be assured that they're making progress, if nothing else.
Treat this as a notification of the earlier offer I made, I went ahead and uploaded the part of my chat with support that pertains to the discussion.
Faliandra (EUW)
: I just wanted to pop in saying that I had a 14 days suspension until april 17th and just now, 5 days later, I already unlocked my honor again. Ofc it is lvl 0, but it is unlocked. People always say it takes ages and I'm pretty sure hitting all these checkpoints till honor 2 is gonna take a while, but at least this first step went pretty quick for me! [](https://i.gyazo.com/577a71080c8995ed48dc8538e91782f2.png)
I think unlocking your honor is based on the number of games played, not how many times you are honored. You have a difficult road ahead of you, good luck mate. :)
Invidie (NA)
: i have more than enough ryze, nunu shards, thanks tho
Do you get champion shards for being honor lvl 2? It's been so long I can't remember. ToT
: Sure. The more info, the better, after all. It's definitely weird to think though, noticing it now - it could just be vague or off-wording on dArtagnan's part, or (tinfoil) the IFS could be more coupled into the Honor System than we readily know or expect. Whatever the case, all variants at least point towards one thing; players who aren't breaking the rules can at least be assured that they're making progress, if nothing else.
I'll get it up here as soon as i figure out all the editing and posting stuff. Meanwhile, I think it would be best to safely consider both trains of thought when progressing honor levels. That being: respect the IFS picking up trigger words and the impact getting honored after the game has, but to also respect the thought that valid, but not punishable, reports may indeed directly affect honor gains. I think riot keeps their responses vague on purpose so that we can establish our own interpretations of the rules and how to interact with their behavior system. Not saying I agree with this; just saying that this is the situation players trying to reform are currently in. edit: I'm actually going to wait until they close the support ticket just in case i get any further clarification.
: The advice is fair, but, I do want to argue a little bit on the point of valid reports; > - Reports do not actually slow your honor progress. > > All a report indicates is that you are much less likely to get honored that game. Basically the system is naturally slow at gaining honor for the lower levels, but when people post on here saying that "reports that are valid but not severe enough to result in punishment"- what they really mean is that you are probably not getting honored in these games that you are being reported. **Basically reports do not directly impact your honor progress**, riot uses reports as an indication of how often you are being honored. I'm not really one to call into question what Riot says (it's their systems after all, they know it better than we do), but, this sounds like it's running counter to what we know from what Rioters have stated on the boards. For example, [Riot dArtagnan commented on a post about eight months ago](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/help-support/1pqothMb-honor-level-0-still-for-some-reason-bug-i-think?comment=0000) explaining that negative behavior can slow your honor progress, or throw it in reverse. > It doesn't take an 'insane' amount of time to go from Level 0 to 1. if you still aren't climbing, the only thing holding you back would be by your own behavior. If the system notices negative behavior on your account, you will either lose honor points, or not gain any new points to advancement. So if you really want to climb, the best thing to do is just focus on your own play, support your teammates, and don't say anything that can be taken as negative in chat. If so, you should be able to climb no problem! > > Hopefully that clarifies things a bit! Let me know if you have any further questions! Which [I also brought up in a comment string in this post](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/1K9NayXk-everytime-you-get-reported-does-it-effect-your-honor?comment=0000), inquiring about whether reports affect your Honor progress or not. Even Riot Tantram backed the explanation, so that means there has to be a fair amount of truth to it, right? > As far as I know, getting reported in and of itself has no impact on one's Honor progress. Only when the reports are flagged as valid (regardless of whether or not they lead to a punishment) does it have an effect. > > So, as long as you're doing nothing wrong, you don't have to worry about reports damaging your Honor progress. And, just as one last example, [there's Riot Tantram pointing out that negative behavior will slow/halt Honor progress](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/nAuOABgc-getting-back-honor-level-1?comment=0002), while neutral/positive behavior won't. > I looked at your account, and you have a lot of unsportsmanlike games that just weren't severe enough to warrant a penalty. You actually have to be sportsmanlike .. or at the very least not unsportsmanlike, to progress through the system. > > One pattern I noticed is that you constantly harass people on your team with negative scores, and accuse them of 'initing'. It's a pretty consistent behavior. --- So, all said, I'm not sure if I trust the thought of reports being an indicator of less honors - reports and honors aren't mutually exclusive, after all, and it is wholly possible to be honored (even outside of a premade) and still be reported. Of course, this is coming from having seen only the one side (valid reports slowing Honor) for months, and only just now seeing the other (reports being a measurement against Honor) - but even then, the argument I know kind of just makes more sense. Whatever the case, I can at least get behind the advice. Especially since playing Normals or non-competitive modes is a two-fold kind of help, since you'll be more inclined to relax in them than get worked up.
I'm just stating what was told to me by support staff. But to be honest, looking at everything you linked; the rioter comments aren't giving a clear indication of whether reports are directly slowing down honor progress. Especially the first one, which seems to indicate that reports are not what is slowing the honor progress, but instead the IFS that is noticing negative behavior when scanning your chat regardless of being reported or not. If you want, I can link you the conversation I had, but I would have to censor a couple of names so as to protect the privacy of the support staff member I was talking to.
Comentários de Rioters
: Which brings us full circle back to the link. Dude did it in about a week. Earlier in the post we see a guy did it in about 30 games. Positive behavior goes faster than neutral (not talking) behavior.
Sorry for being skeptical, but do you have any proof that these players actually did this?
JCPANDIT (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Crimson Elite ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6AEgumEw,comment-id=000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-04-21T00:06:16.350+0000) > > How long did it take you? Also, how many games did you play? Would’ve been about 3 months, somewhere under 30 games. Worst comes to worst you can always play with a friend, so you consistently honour each other each game.
So only 10 games a month? That sounds ridiculously quick to go up 2 honor lvls.
: Don't mistake me for considering the Honor System to be a great representation of good sportsmanship - it's passable at best, and altogether, it's still exactly what it says on the tin; an arbitrary _system_ to gauge what is, essentially, just a concept of interaction. But, where the Honor System can (and sometimes does) fail in representing _good_ sportsmanship, it does a fairly good job of displaying and recognizing _bad_ sportsmanship. Players who break the rules and misbehave to the point where they get punished are lowered to Dishonorable status, and, even if they don't get punished, their Honor gains are slowed to a crawl, indicating - to them, if no-one else - that they're still doing wrong by the rules. So, if you're not climbing in Honor, you should consider looking at what you're doing, and whether you're just _barely_ under acceptable limits, being too neutral, or what have you. And, my advice; actually put in the effort to be positive. Not being dishonorable/not getting punished doesn't prove you're honorable. --- As for the other paragraph, I think it's getting too muddy to really continue on. Are we talking about _competition_ or _competitiveness_? Because the two are very different things - competition is an event where people compete, while competitiveness is the desire to be more successful than others. A similar argument can be made between the both - that competition thrives with good sportsmanship, and that competitive nature is best tempered with honorable conduct, and people generally dislike a competition where everyone's being poor sports, or people who let the worst of themselves out and call it "competitiveness". Either way, my point still remains; **If other sports presently do not have such a stern policy against bad sportsmanship and misbehavior, then Riot, in efforting to make League an E-Sport, is blazing a new trail for sports as a whole.**
I'm done debating the semantics of a broken system. I can only speak from my own experiences with the honor system. But don't misinterpret what I am saying, I myself, am not concerned about making honor 2 by the end of the season. I am currently honor lvl 1, checkpoint 2 of 3. I am climbing in honor. What I take issue to is how slow this climb is. People who are punished near the latter half of the season will not get to demonstrate their positive changes in time to get the rewards they struggled for all season. I don't see that as fair. My smurf account is almost honor lvl 4 with less than a quarter of the games played as my main. This discrepancy is too demoralizing for people who are honestly trying to reform.
: > Why should behavioral rewards be linked to competitive rewards? The two things are entirely different criteria. Because players need to play by the rules, and making players with proven misbehavior (and unproven reform) ineligible for something that anyone and everyone would work hard for is a good incentive to at least be neutral, if not positive. And it really sucks that players need to be given incentives to not be assholes, but, I guess them's the 8r8ks. If they want End of Season rewards, they gotta earn it and prove that they're worth it. > If Dardoch was extremely toxic this entire split, do you think he still shouldn't be credited with finishing 3rd place in the LCS finals with the rest of his team? If Dardoch was extremely toxic this entire split, don't you think he'd be penalized by Riot for bad sportsmanship? I recall one player some months ago (I'm probably going to have to hunt the News post down) getting fined amongst other punishments for misbehavior. > Competition doesn't require good sportsmanship. Maybe not competition alone, but _healthy_ competition absolutely requires good sportsmanship. Nobody wants to play with a showboating asshole who gets into everyone's faces whenever things don't go his way - it doesn't matter what sport. Basketball, football, soccer, what have you. If you're going to have a competitive environment, good sportsmanship is a _must have_ if you want it to stay competitive for long. > If people want this game to be taken seriously as a sport then they have to treat it that way. Why do you think Riot actively punishes poor sportsmanship, toxicity, and other such misbehavior, if not to take League of Legends, as a sport, seriously? > Many athletes are cocky and bad-tempered / down-right rude, but these athletes' accomplishments are not stripped from them barring cases of competitive dishonesty. I really doubt that athletes who display poor sportsmanship suffer no penalties whatsoever. But, if, somehow, that is the case, then that means that Riot is set to pioneer _something_ for E-Sports. Either way, athletes in other sports acting out doesn't change anything in regards to Riot's rules. It's their turf, their stadium, their game, they make the rules, and if we wanna play it and compete, we play by those rules.
All of your assumptions are made on the basis that the honor system is actually a good representation of good sportsmanship, which I heavily disagree with. You will be honored in this game simply by carrying. Also, I disagree with your analysis of competition and sportsmanship. Sure, I respect athletes who display pride and humility in the correct amounts, but to say that good sportsmanship is a requirement for competitiveness is just an opinion. There are many famous athletes that can be cited as examples to the contrary, such as: Michael Jordan, Alex Rodriguez, and Richard Sherman. That list goes on and on.
JCPANDIT (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Crimson Elite ,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=6AEgumEw,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-20T22:02:46.638+0000) > > I just explained that I am not doing any of those things. If you haven't actually experienced the climb from dishonorable to lvl 2 then what exactly are you basing your insight on? As someone who started at 0, I can confirm it’s actually not that difficult to reach level 2. I’m not actually a big talker in games, either, so you literally just need to be a gc in your gameplay and you’ll still rake up honours from your teammates
How long did it take you? Also, how many games did you play?
brônco (NA)
: league players are fucking pussies just be nice to them in chat and you will get your rewards
I'm trying my best to not say anything that could somehow be conceived as offensive, and I think I'm doing a pretty good job. But it's still taking me forever to get my honor back.
: It seems reasonable enough to me. I don't see why Dishonorable players should be allowed End of Season rewards. Ranked is a competitive mode, and competitive play comes with at least some expectation of good sportsmanship and honorable conduct. IMO, it'd be _more_ ridiculous if Dishonorable players still got rewarded despite misbehaving and not showing improvement.
Why should behavioral rewards be linked to competitive rewards? The two things are entirely different criteria. If Dardoch was extremely toxic this entire split, do you think he still shouldn't be credited with finishing 3rd place in the LCS finals with the rest of his team? Competition doesn't require good sportsmanship. If people want this game to be taken seriously as a sport then they have to treat it that way. Many athletes are cocky and bad-tempered / down-right rude, but these athletes' accomplishments are not stripped from them barring cases of competitive dishonesty.
: It doesn't take an assumption to make a general statement. Also, I don't really care what you appreciate and it isn't slander when it comes to making a statement. It serves its purpose regardless if you want it to or not. Either way, don't be an asshole in the game and you won't be punished. You read it. Now you know.
Thanks captain obvious. Glad you commented on my thread.
: You seem to be really against clicking a link and typing a sentence or two when it could actually answer your question. Guess BMing me is more fun? I'll leave ya to it. You've been told how to get your question answered on five separate occasions now, and this is my last post to you on this matter. >or probably just get perma-banned since its so easy nowadays. Some high 90% percent of players manage to never get punished, this "so easy to get perma'd!!!1" is nothing but a myth spread by players with no self-control or ability to reflect on their own actions.
Uhhh... BMing? You come on here wanting to voice your opinion but I'm the bad guy for disagreeing with it. Ok, whatever. Also, I already submitted this ticket. (Here's some BM for you) If you want to have a healthy discussion about the other points I mentioned feel free to respond. If not, no worries, your credibility has already sunk in my opinion.
: It's "unclear" because if it were not, it would be gamed *hard*. And I say "reason" because I'd bet $20 of RP that they'll come back with chatlogs that indicate valid reports made against your account during your honor climb.
I don't need to prove anything about my behavior to you. As for gaming the system, what exactly is the problem with people doing that? They are following the rules in order to get their honor and as soon as they stop they will just get punished and have to earn it back or probably just get perma-banned since its so easy nowadays.
Exibir mais

Ninja Assassin

Nível 0 (NA)
Total de votos positivos
Criar uma discussão