Charmy Bird (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ninjaultimo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Mm3ZF7LB,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-11-04T18:52:54.391+0000) > > This could be on my end. I don't want to just be mad at riot. With that said I was not using third party apps so whatever caused it to think i did, I would easily just remove. Do u mind telling me which apps did u use so that I can avoid them?
it was some steam mods. I have a lot of Divinity Original Sin 2 mods. Although there have been other reports of this having happened, and I rioter confirmed there was an account breach, so I wouldn't worry about it.
Hotarµ (NA)
: Yeah, most 3rd party program bans are done in waves so the creators of actual, malicious programs can't reverse-engineer what's getting them caught. You're right about the accounts being stolen, that's usually what causes these situations.
This is so helpful. I am in the middle of a similar situation. I have no clue what the tags mean but if any of you can help in any way please let me know. My post should be near the top of this board. Seeing this gives me lots of hope though.
mack9112 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ninjaultimo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Mm3ZF7LB,comment-id=00020000000000010001000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-04T21:15:43.924+0000) > > Well, you shouldn't necessarily, but lets hypothesize. Say he was boosting me, which of my champs would he use. My best champ is khazix, so let us say its khazix. This booster took 143 games with a 59% wr to get me to plat 4, and he has been boosting me for a while. If I were hiring a booster I would have long replaced this person due to underperforming. what they did doesnt make a lot of sense but it would make even less sense if I was lying. I would have been wasting so much money. Not only this but I failed a lot of promos to get there, and khazix happens to be my highest mastery champ. From what I have heard from this board a booster it paid on a per match basis so with that in mind you would use him in the promos to secure it after you struggled with end of season looming it felt a safe bet to secure p4. Just an observation of someone who does not trust most people.
So then after he secured me, he would then go on to play extra games on flex? and why would he keep my duo q. Also, why would a booster need scripts? I'm sure that if I were going to hire a booster they would have to be very high elo, and they wouldn't be high elo if they were scripting seeing as it only took me 2 games to get shut down. If I were getting boosted before and the perp was using scripts I would have been caught long ago, and if it was only promos, why was he playing my best champion? I understand playing devil's advocate but there isn't much logical ground to stand on in terms of explaining what happened, how it happened, and why it happened.
mack9112 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ninjaultimo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Mm3ZF7LB,comment-id=000200000000000100010001,timestamp=2019-11-04T19:36:08.124+0000) > > But why though. I'm not entirely sure what I have to hide. It would be strange to grind all the way to plat normally, then hire someone to boost me on flex. The question remains why should anyone believe that you played the matches to get you to plat? A booster could have gotten you to plat then went and played some flex now you use those as an excuse. Ultimately it is not up to us to decide these things, within reason riot can observe the source IPs of your matches so it is up to them to decide if you are legitimate. As long as it can be proven that it is only the flex matches in questions where played by someone compromisng your account and your account shows no other peculiarities then riot should give it a pass . Of course this will require a manual review that a BOT could not resolve so you will have to wait your line in that que.
Well, you shouldn't necessarily, but lets hypothesize. Say he was boosting me, which of my champs would he use. My best champ is khazix, so let us say its khazix. This booster took 143 games with a 59% wr to get me to plat 4, and he has been boosting me for a while. If I were hiring a booster I would have long replaced this person due to underperforming. what they did doesnt make a lot of sense but it would make even less sense if I was lying. I would have been wasting so much money. Not only this but I failed a lot of promos to get there, and khazix happens to be my highest mastery champ.
mack9112 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Mm3ZF7LB,comment-id=00020000000000010001000000010000,timestamp=2019-11-04T20:33:09.196+0000) > > I dont see the confusion. Just because they play ranked doesnt mean their account hasnt been compromised. No what is the point to compromise an account to then only play flex ? None of it makes sense above that he has a match from 4 days ago that he just never noticed that he didnt do until I pointed it out ? Fishy
I thought it was 4 days ago. please post a screenshot. I see an unidentified riven game from 4 days ago, in which I believe match history was down during this period.
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Mm3ZF7LB,comment-id=00020000000000010001000000000001,timestamp=2019-11-04T20:25:02.527+0000) > > Understand that the ban process is automatic. Assuming riot handles this how theyre supposed to, they *should* unban the compromised account after helping to secure the account again, and investigate what happened while compromised. [They do unban situations like the OP has](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/uVnmlJde-3rd-party-program-bans). And from what I can tell the chances of getting unbanned is pretty high if they're telling the truth. > This is one of the reasons i am entirely against all bans, because shit like this can happen where you can get your account ruined through no fault of your own. I disagree. If the account was using scripts then even if the actual account owner was unaware it needs to be banned ASAP. It sucks for OP to sort things out with support but there are a lot of people that don't realize their account was stolen until they get banned. OP was fortunate enough to have friends that notified them, but not everyone is. Leaving scripters to freely cheat is not an option. Bans are not always about punishing the player. They're about getting the account out of the community.
I understand and agree with this. It does suck to deal with but I feel as though it was necessary. If only there was an easier way to communicate with riot.
: That’s pretty unfortunate you underwent that. Even if you think that’s the optimal strategy to poke (I do not), that doesn’t give others free reign to rage or afk. It does sound like they were behaving in an odd, but intentionally losing way, so I would submit a support ticket, specifically because their behavior unique and appeared to avoid intentional feeding detection. While it is pretty frustrating getting a player like that in your game, there presence does not mean that this behavior goes unpunished. Intentionally losing a game is typically met with a two week suspension when it’s caught.
Its a moderator. I don't know whether or not you work at riot but if you do can you get someone to look at my post. Its at the top of this board.
mack9112 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Mm3ZF7LB,comment-id=000200000000000100010000,timestamp=2019-11-04T19:32:45.397+0000) > > Someone contacts a party for boosting services. > > Said party provides said services to the client. > > To do this, they compromise another account with the proper ELO range, and duo with the account that requested the services. > > This means the person whos account was compromised gets hit with any punishment while the duod account that is being boosted isnt hit with anything. Once again though the matches in question he say not to be his are flex? His account shows previous matches with the same trend too ?
My account shows 1 match with this trend. Every other Yasuo game has been in a custom(and I got clapped), and I don't think I've played riven this season. If you would read the ticket it states that days prior I had noticed settings changes, but dismissed them due to my solo q rank staying the same. ! previous game is hardly grounds for the establishment of a pattern, especially when match history was down all weekend, thus I had no means to check such a thing.
mack9112 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Mm3ZF7LB,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2019-11-04T19:14:43.273+0000) > > They gain access to a third partys account through a compromised password or brute forcing so they can boost a second party account. The hacked account gets banned for the third party programs that are used to boost the second party account. > > Its been a known occurrence for years, and this is about the time it pops up. But why compromise someones account to only play really well in flex matches ? There is more to the story than OP would like to divulge.
But why though. I'm not entirely sure what I have to hide. It would be strange to grind all the way to plat normally, then hire someone to boost me on flex.
Pika Fox (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Mm3ZF7LB,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-11-04T18:17:45.874+0000) > > In order for someone to be on your account they require your login credentials. > > Either through boosting. > > Unknown friend has access > > A account that was purchased. > > Or compromised account. > > Nobody would go to the trouble of compromising an account to play ranked flex and get you banned. Of course unless you have drama. > > Please provide a reform card from issued ban. They gain access to a third partys account through a compromised password or brute forcing so they can boost a second party account. The hacked account gets banned for the third party programs that are used to boost the second party account. Its been a known occurrence for years, and this is about the time it pops up.
glad to know. This gives me legitimacy.
: Where do you click for a live chat?
According to the email, between 1Pm-9Pm pacific time, it should be next to the submit button.
: official RIOTers almost never come to these forums
Oh. Well, that sucks. It was on recommendation from one of my friends. a couple of years ago he posted like 4444 pictures of Jhin, and a rioter commented personally. So I figured if I gained enough traction someone would notice.
Pika Fox (NA)
: Submit a ticket to riot support. This has been an ongoing thing for some time now, and i believe also happened to my account. The MOMENT you see someone else log into your account, immediately open a riot support ticket for the issue to get resolved. They have been brute forcing passwords for years to carry a third account to high ELO while getting the stolen accounts banned for 3rd party software usage. Mine was never banned because i immediately reported it the moment i spotted random ass xerath games in my history before i got hit, but its entirely likely i would have been otherwise
I did. They have yet to review it. I have been waiting for hours until 4 PM to have a live chat
Charmy Bird (EUNE)
: Riots handling of account security is beyind ridiculous and unacceptable. Almost every company is using 2step authentication but riot still hasn't implemented it, they said they will but its still not here even if the new client has already arrived. Riot need to put things in priority is security should be the most important one. Fix the client, secure our accounts then waste your resources in stupid skins and other games ure making. I hope u get your account back as long as u haven't messed with any of those sketchy websites then riot should give u a reward as a compensation because it's their fault.
This could be on my end. I don't want to just be mad at riot. With that said I was not using third party apps so whatever caused it to think i did, I would easily just remove.
: Sometimes permabans are issued on accounts that Riot believes have been compromised in order for the owner to recover the account before large charges are made using saved payment methods. I have heard a report before that said ban can actually come up as Third Party Programs. That said. Riot believes that you are responsible for actions taken on the account. This means that if your account is compromised and another person uses banned third-party programs on said account they will ban the account and it will remain banned irregard of absolute proof that it was not you performing the action because it was performed on your account. Finally, none of your steam mods will cause an issue. Some non-related programs, such as Cheat Engine, can cause issues if they are running when you launch the game (the game will fail to launch most of the time) but these are exclusively programs where the stated or primary use is for cheating in games.
Some of the mods drastically change the gameplay. I'm not sure if that will count as cheating but things like the combat and the talents are changed as a result of some of the mods that I was running. You seem to have more expertise here than I do so I will just take your word for it.
mack9112 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ninjaultimo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Mm3ZF7LB,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-11-04T18:06:03.901+0000) > > I did not get boosting and why would I get boosting in flex. If I have shown the ability to get plat in solo q why would I start getting boosted in flex? > I wouldn't need to I would just be able to play the way I normally do with a couple of friends. > Although now looking into it you are correct. There is a 14-1 riven game that I did not see before. In my ticket, I said expressly that I had noticed a setting change previously but dismissed it due to not noticing my solo q rank change. That said it believe it would seem unusual for a person who had played riven a few times in the past (and performed poorly most of those games) to just pick the champ up and pop off. In order for someone to be on your account they require your login credentials. Either through boosting. Unknown friend has access A account that was purchased. Or compromised account. Nobody would go to the trouble of compromising an account to play ranked flex and get you banned. Of course unless you have drama. Please provide a reform card from issued ban.
I don't know what a reform card is. This is what I saw when I logged in. I said it down below, but one of my friends mentioned that a similar thing happened to him when he had divinity open, and he said it was the product of mods he had open at the time. About the person using my account, I assure you that I did not hire a booster, nor would I want one. If I were to have hired a booster it would have been for ranked solo/duo. You can see on my account that the champs are inconsistent with champs I play regularly, and I'm pretty sure neither champ has even been touched in my ranked games. It is not that boosting is an impossibility, its just that if I did that wouldn't make sense to do so. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485848400617537547/640978361912524811/2019-11-04.png
NIKΟ (EUW)
: This is not the place to try to get your ban removed. Send in a ticket to Riot (Do not bump your ticket by sending several) and hope they are kind enough to remove the ban. They might not be tho, ToA says your responssible for all action on your acc. But hey, its worth a shot
This is true. I was just hoping to get the attention of a rioter. Otherwise, I would have to wait until 4 PM eastern time. More than anything I just panicked and tried as many things as I could think of.
mack9112 (NA)
: What does the reform card say for the ban issued. Also not to mention 4 days ago there is a riven match in flex that shows a similar play style. It is end of season so if you perhaps got a little boosting i would understand but there are ramifications to every action.
I did not get boosting and why would I get boosting in flex. If I have shown the ability to get plat in solo q why would I start getting boosted in flex? I wouldn't need to I would just be able to play the way I normally do with a couple of friends. Although now looking into it you are correct. There is a 14-1 riven game that I did not see before. In my ticket, I said expressly that I had noticed a setting change previously but dismissed it due to not noticing my solo q rank change. That said it believe it would seem unusual for a person who had played riven a few times in the past (and performed poorly most of those games) to just pick the champ up and pop off.
: I got banned for games that I did not play
It was brought to my attention that when I tried to log on to my account when there was someone else playing on it, I had divinity open. when I received the error message and could not log on, it could very well have been one of the many mods that I have from steam, to use divinity. I have downloaded lots of mods for Divinity Original Sin 2 and a few for CS:GO. With this in mind, it would be useful to know the type of third party application detected because it could very well be a harmless steam mod that was running. Seeing as I have already dealt with the breach in my account, this would clear up the third-party app problem, thus the permaban could be revoked (if thats a thing thats done).
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